Vick - If suspended, impact on FFL positions? (1 Viewer)

[Prussian]

Given Goodell's "defnse of the NFL shield's integrity", let's assume (for the sake of discussion) Vick gets at least an 8 game suspension from the team or the NFL.

Harrignton's stock clearly goes up and maybe a wild hair pulls in a veteran QA FA from somewhere - Culpepper? QB impact is easy.

But, what about the RB/WR/TE positions? Does Atlanta run even more with Harrington in there? Do the numbers generated by the passing game actually increase? Without Vick taking passing formations and plays in to 7 yard rushing games so often, do the receivers and tight ends benefit?

I see an increase in numbers being a likely scenario. The ball Vick throws and his inability to stay with apattern while thinking about running has long inhibited the WR's numbers in Atlanta. Jenkins and White are telented and should shine in Petrino's offense, adding Horn to the corps adds experience and leadership. I'd give them all a 20% bump in numbers.

As for TE's, a safety blanket that can catch is a new system QB's best friend. A likely bump in numbers here too.

Comments? Or am I just letting my "Vick is over rated" rant out?

 

[Banger]

HK and I had a back and forth on this in regard to the running situation in the Warrick Dunn thread....

What if there's no Vick as well.....

If no Vick, this team will probably be the worst in the league.

No Vick?=Stacked Box= No Falcons on my team

If Vick is gone, that may bode well for both backs. Dunn and Norwood would be the best playmakers, and the Falcons would be best served by letting Harrington give them the ball in space to create. The offense would need two RB's more so without Vick than with him, IMO they'd each get a lot of work.

Ya, but with a terrible defense, no wr's, Harrington at QB, and a decent line I don't see how this situation is any better than Miami '06 (and I don't know if either backs are better than R. Brown at this point). If you can't pick up a 1st down, no matter how much you want to run the ball you just won't have to opportunities. Couple that with a terrible defense and they will be playing from behind each game which takes the ball out of the RB's hands early in the 2nd half. I'm not a huge fan of Vick's but his scrambling ability gets 1st downs, keeps drives alive and keeps the defense off the field. Put Harrington in place of Vick and this team is sunk.

I agree with everything you said, but if you look at what's left on that offense w/o Vick then the RB's would have to be the focal point, right? What previously was Vick scrambling for first downs should become dump offs to the RB's. I think both Dunn and Norwood would benefit in a PPR format. Put both on the field and try to create mismatches vs. LB's. One thing Vick/ATL have not been doing in the past few seasons is throwing to the RB's. Given the skillsets of Dunn/Norwood one would think Petrino would make this part of the game plan, particularly with Harrington at QB.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I would upgrade RBs and maybe WRs; downgrade Crumpler.

 

[nygiants56]

I think you downgrade Crumpler, anyways, Vick or not. Gregg Knapp is now in SF, coaching V. Davis. Petrino won't use the TE as much as Knapp did. Crumpler will be lucky to catch 50 balls this season.

If the team hires Duante Culpepper, the WR's actually have LESS value. Culpepper has not been the same QB since the demise of the Tice Regime in Minnesota. He's working on a surgically repaired knee, probably won't even pass a physical at this point.

Who's next, Joey Harrington? oh brother..there goes the farm..

Atl is a fantasy wasteland,save for Norwood, and perhaps Dunn..other than that, I'd highly recommend you look elsewhere for fantasy players.

 

[NorrisB]

I think Joe Horn could see a 1k season with Harrington at QB

 

[Enraged Nerfball]

I think you downgrade Crumpler, anyways, Vick or not. Gregg Knapp is now in SF, coaching V. Davis. Petrino won't use the TE as much as Knapp did. Crumpler will be lucky to catch 50 balls this season.If the team hires Duante Culpepper, the WR's actually have LESS value. Culpepper has not been the same QB since the demise of the Tice Regime in Minnesota. He's working on a surgically repaired knee, probably won't even pass a physical at this point.Who's next, Joey Harrington? oh brother..there goes the farm..Atl is a fantasy wasteland,save for Norwood, and perhaps Dunn..other than that, I'd highly recommend you look elsewhere for fantasy players.

I don't know. Part of Atlanta's problem has been a one dimensional offense. They lead the league in rushing but have zero passing game. Is that from a lack of talented WR's, or WR talent that has been undeveloped because of an emphasis on the run? I could see a bump up for Jenkins as they are forced into a more balanced attack. Teams won't have to worry so much about containing Vick as a running option so it makes it easier to game plan stopping Dunn or Norwood. The big question is Harrington. Bet Rich McKay and Petrino are kicking themselves now for trading Schaub.

 

[Prussian]

I think you downgrade Crumpler, anyways, Vick or not. Gregg Knapp is now in SF, coaching V. Davis. Petrino won't use the TE as much as Knapp did. Crumpler will be lucky to catch 50 balls this season.If the team hires Duante Culpepper, the WR's actually have LESS value. Culpepper has not been the same QB since the demise of the Tice Regime in Minnesota. He's working on a surgically repaired knee, probably won't even pass a physical at this point.Who's next, Joey Harrington? oh brother..there goes the farm..Atl is a fantasy wasteland,save for Norwood, and perhaps Dunn..other than that, I'd highly recommend you look elsewhere for fantasy players.

I live in Minnesota ... trust me, letting Culpepper go whenhe was demanding an extension was one of the previous owner's only good moves. I don't know that Harrington makes Horn a 1k WR, but a drop back passer will fit Petrino's system better.

 

[Jason Wood]

Joey Harrington isn't going to improve many NFL passing attacks, don't kid yourself. For all of the slings and arrows hoisted upon the Falcons "passing attack", consider that last year they threw 21 TDs (14th in the league), which is respectable particularly when you consider the Falcons were 32nd in the league in pass attempts. Let's also not forget that Harrington is one of the few NFL signal callers with a career yards per attempt significantly LOWER than Vick's 6.7. Harrington has averaged 5.7 yards per attempt which, at least since the NFL-AFL merger, has to be at or near the historical bottom (Doug, can you verify?).

 

[flranger]

Joey Harrington isn't going to improve many NFL passing attacks, don't kid yourself. For all of the slings and arrows hoisted upon the Falcons "passing attack", consider that last year they threw 21 TDs (14th in the league), which is respectable particularly when you consider the Falcons were 32nd in the league in pass attempts. Let's also not forget that Harrington is one of the few NFL signal callers with a career yards per attempt significantly LOWER than Vick's 6.7. Harrington has averaged 5.7 yards per attempt which, at least since the NFL-AFL merger, has to be at or near the historical bottom (Doug, can you verify?).

I think people are too quick to write off ATL passing attack and Joey Harrington. Last year Marty Booker and Wes Welker were relevant PPR fantasy factors at the end of the year. Very few of us drafted them in 2006 but low and behold, by the end of the year there was certain value.Taking the fact that ATL DEF is mediocre, being behind early is likely. If so, the passing game will be even more important. I have no idea who gets the catches, but one of these ATL WR's are going to put up Welker/Booker type number and be a big help in larger leagues.IMO, ATL offensive line is signifcantly better than MIA. That can't hurt Harrington either. I'll probably target Jenkins thinking that Horn's name recognition will be too much to get him for a $1 or $2.

 

[Chasers Dawg]

Given Goodell's "defnse of the NFL shield's integrity", let's assume (for the sake of discussion) Vick gets at least an 8 game suspension from the team or the NFL.Harrignton's stock clearly goes up and maybe a wild hair pulls in a veteran QA FA from somewhere - Culpepper? QB impact is easy.But, what about the RB/WR/TE positions? Does Atlanta run even more with Harrington in there? Do the numbers generated by the passing game actually increase? Without Vick taking passing formations and plays in to 7 yard rushing games so often, do the receivers and tight ends benefit?I see an increase in numbers being a likely scenario. The ball Vick throws and his inability to stay with apattern while thinking about running has long inhibited the WR's numbers in Atlanta. Jenkins and White are telented and should shine in Petrino's offense, adding Horn to the corps adds experience and leadership. I'd give them all a 20% bump in numbers.As for TE's, a safety blanket that can catch is a new system QB's best friend. A likely bump in numbers here too.Comments? Or am I just letting my "Vick is over rated" rant out?

Bump the KR and all IDP's up between 5 and 10 spots in your rankings. They will get a lot more field time

 

[az_prof]

Even if Harrington starts I bump all the Wrs. I have long maintained that Vick, not the WRs, is the problem.

 

[Prussian]

I realized we may all be making an assumption about Harrington getting the nod. Did Chris Redmen's career at Louisville overlap Petrino?

Redmen has been in the league five years now. If he knows anything of Petrino's system already, he could be a dark horse to start in Vick's absence. If that is the case, I like his arm - but can ATL's line protect such an achored, drop-back QB?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Harrington is TERRIBLE. I will stay away from all Atlanta players unless they fall through the floor.

If Vick doesn't play, Atlanta will be contending for the #1 overall pick, like they did the year Vick was hurt.

 

[DenverBroncos]

Without Vick, it is an ENORMOUS DOWNGRADE for running backs in Atlanta. The only reason RB's have room to run is because of Vick's ability. If Joey H is throwing the ball, they will stack the box and RB's will do nothing. WR's get a slight upgrade and I think Crumple actually stays the same or upgrades a little bit. IF VICK IS SUSPENDED SELL NORWOOD WHILE YOU CAN.

 

[PsychoMan]

I tend to agree its a downgrade for the RBs and Crumpler ... maybe an upgrade for the WRs because they couldn't get much worse anyway. Seems like the Atlanta RBs have had a lot of success in recent years, and i think a lot of it has to do with Vick. I don't really have statistical data to prove it or anything, it's just my hunch. Also, with Vick gone, I see the team leaning more heavily on their other veteran, Warrick Dunn. I was higher or Norwood before this news came in; now I think both RBs will pretty much split time all season making neither a good RB1 or RB2.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Harrington is TERRIBLE. I will stay away from all Atlanta players unless they fall through the floor.

If Vick doesn't play, Atlanta will be contending for the #1 overall pick, like they did the year Vick was hurt.

Cecil was the first one to call "Brian Brohm" when we were talking off the air the other day. I like that call.

 

[Boone22]

Jason Snelling Someone's going to get the goaline rushes that Vick has been stealing all this time.

 

[Lord Lucan]

Another vote for downgrading the RBs here. I like Dunn and Norwood a lot, but if you were a defensive co-ordinator and you have to game plan to stop Atlanta, what would you be concentrating on?