Vick vs. Brady for MVP (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

My point in all of these MVP threads is that in the actual MVP balloting has nothing to do with people bickering on message boards. Historically, voters almost always vote for:- The QB on the team with the best or second best record (Brady, check)- The QB on the highest scoing team in the league (Brady, check)- The QB with the highest (or near highest) passer rating (Brady, check)- A guy setting some sort of record (Brady for most passes without an INT; Brady TD to INT ratio, most games without a turnover, etc., check)- A guy that plays all the time (Brady, check)

Steve McNair 2003- The QB on the team with the best or second best record (McNair, no)- The QB on the highest scoing team in the league (McNair, no)- The QB with the highest (or near highest) passer rating (McNair, check)- A guy setting some sort of record (Don't know about this one)- A guy that plays all the time (McNair, no)

 

[Chreesto]

1) Philip Rivers

2) Long-haired new NFL sissy rules poster child

3) Puppy murderer

Amen brother. Brady could be a Joe Montana/Peyton Manning/Dan Marino/Johnny Unitas clone and I wouldn't vote for him. I'll vote for a dog killer over Pretty Boy every day of the week.I like the Rivers argument too.

This is hilarious. I'm a bears fan, so no horse in the race, but to dismiss brady as just a pretty boy is one of the more ridiculous things I've ever heard. Brady is one of the tougher QBs in the league, he's a strong leader and a fierce competitor. He's also an extremely hard worker, even after all of his success. I'd bet a month's paycheck that "pretty boy" brady is tougher by just about every metric possible than anonymous internet FF nerds who call him a pretty boy. Reminds me of 4th grade. "You've got long hair you're GAY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!"

 

[Snotbubbles]

My point in all of these MVP threads is that in the actual MVP balloting has nothing to do with people bickering on message boards. Historically, voters almost always vote for:- The QB on the team with the best or second best record (Brady, check)- The QB on the highest scoing team in the league (Brady, check)- The QB with the highest (or near highest) passer rating (Brady, check)- A guy setting some sort of record (Brady for most passes without an INT; Brady TD to INT ratio, most games without a turnover, etc., check)- A guy that plays all the time (Brady, check)

Steve McNair 2003- The QB on the team with the best or second best record (McNair, no)- The QB on the highest scoing team in the league (McNair, no)- The QB with the highest (or near highest) passer rating (McNair, check)- A guy setting some sort of record (Don't know about this one)- A guy that plays all the time (McNair, no)

Manning 2009- The QB on the team with the best or second best record (Manning, check) (Brees, check)- The QB on the highest scoing team in the league (Manning, no) (Brees, check)- The QB with the highest (or near highest) passer rating (Manning, no) (Brees, check)- A guy setting some sort of record (Manning, no) (Brees, ???)- A guy that plays all the time (Manning, check) (Brees, check)Manning 2008- The QB on the team with the best or second best record (Manning, check) (Rivers, no)- The QB on the highest scoing team in the league (Manning, no) (Rivers, check)- The QB with the highest (or near highest) passer rating (Manning, no) (Rivers, check)- A guy setting some sort of record (Manning, no) (Rivers, ???)- A guy that plays all the time (Manning, check) (Rivers, check)2006 and 2005 weren't even won by QBs. So the last 7 years a player who hasn't met the criteria that "ALMOST ALWAYS" wins the MVP has won the MVP award 5 times.

 

[parrot]

Brady has Bellichek who can game plan against any defense in the league. I'm no pro but to dink and dunk all day is NOT throwing downfield.

It's not like the Eagles don't dink and dunk. They probably throw as many screen passes as any offense in the league. McCoy has twelve more catches than the next closest back.

 

[CrossEyed]

Tebow making a late push.

 

[CalBear]

In your opinion how many games should a MVP candidate be allowed to miss yet be MVP? There has to be some right....I mean you don't think Rex Grossman should be MVP nor would you select Vincent Jackson.

Brady can miss games, too; if the Pats win this weekend at Buffalo, he'll sit most or all of week 17. The Eagles are likely to have something to play for in week 17.If that happens, Vick will likely end up with more total yards than Brady, and close to the same number of TDs, in 2-3 fewer games.

 

[Abrantes]

In your opinion how many games should a MVP candidate be allowed to miss yet be MVP? There has to be some right....I mean you don't think Rex Grossman should be MVP nor would you select Vincent Jackson.

Brady can miss games, too; if the Pats win this weekend at Buffalo, he'll sit most or all of week 17. The Eagles are likely to have something to play for in week 17.If that happens, Vick will likely end up with more total yards than Brady, and close to the same number of TDs, in 2-3 fewer games.

Based on past tendencies, I highly doubt Brady sits a significant portion of week 17, even if they beat the Bills.

 

[Road Warriors]

In your opinion how many games should a MVP candidate be allowed to miss yet be MVP? There has to be some right....I mean you don't think Rex Grossman should be MVP nor would you select Vincent Jackson.

Brady can miss games, too; if the Pats win this weekend at Buffalo, he'll sit most or all of week 17. The Eagles are likely to have something to play for in week 17.If that happens, Vick will likely end up with more total yards than Brady, and close to the same number of TDs, in 2-3 fewer games.

That may happen, but it would be a change from the way the Patriots have done business in week 17 over the past decade.

 

[Steel Town]

went with Vick and IMO, it's not really that close.

 

[CalBear]

In your opinion how many games should a MVP candidate be allowed to miss yet be MVP? There has to be some right....I mean you don't think Rex Grossman should be MVP nor would you select Vincent Jackson.

Brady can miss games, too; if the Pats win this weekend at Buffalo, he'll sit most or all of week 17. The Eagles are likely to have something to play for in week 17.If that happens, Vick will likely end up with more total yards than Brady, and close to the same number of TDs, in 2-3 fewer games.

That may happen, but it would be a change from the way the Patriots have done business in week 17 over the past decade.

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, it's certainly plausible that Vick puts up numbers as good or better than Brady in fewer games; if he does that, I don't see how you can claim that the guy who put up the same numbers in more games is a better MVP candidate than the guy who put up the same numbers in fewer games.Currently:

Brady 3578 total yards, 32 total TD, 4 INT

Vick 3368 total yards, 28 total TD, 5 INT

On a per-game basis, Vick is averaging 50+ yards more than Brady, so even if they both play two full games, Vick could catch him in total yardage. Brady will probably keep his lead in TDs if he plays two full games, but even there Vick could catch him.

Anyway, my point is that if two guys put up similar numbers, one of them in 16 games and one in 13, the guy who did it in 13 is more valuable.

 

[parrot]

Anyway, my point is that if two guys put up similar numbers, one of them in 16 games and one in 13, the guy who did it in 13 is more valuable.

Unless you consider things like the fact that the 16 game guy faced on average the 10th ranked defense in the league, 9 times faced defenses ranked in the top 10, 6 times faced defenses ranked in the top 5, never faced a defense ranked lower than 23.whereas the 13 game guy faced on average the 19th ranked defense in the league, 4 times faced defenses ranked in the top 10,2 times faced defenses ranked in the top 5,6 times faced defenses ranked lower than 23.

 

[charlie54]

1 more for vick.

bobbin n weavin, baby. thats what he does:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/philadelphia-eag...ame-celebration

 

[Jambi]

What Brady and the Pats have done this year is more impressive that 2007. Just have a look at their schedule this year. Their lack of a big play receiver. Funny how Branch is once again looking like one now that he's playing with Brady. There's one thing you can use to gauge how good Brady is. He makes a guy who's shown us absolutely nothing look like a Pro Bowler. Their defense has been terrible. Brady has just been that good. Without Brady this team would be a game or two over .500. With him they've lost two games. One was a game that got away and the other one, still not sure what to think of the Browns waxing them like that.

Just look at the schedule and the results and tell me Brady isn't the MVP.

 

[Gachi]

I hate dogs, so I'll go with Vick for showing them who's boss.

 

[shortbow]

went with Vick and IMO, it's not really that close.

I invite you and everyone else whos opinion is it isnt close to say why.Im a Pats fan and I wont forgive Vick for his past business but hes paid the price and is trying. But to me its not close and its clearly Brady, I understand the argument but IMO your lying to yourself. Vick has shown that hes a top 5 QB in the NFL who knows about his career but this year its not close, Brady has outperformed him with less. To make an argument against because its not something Vick has done before but Brady has just adds to the opinion that the MVP title isnt worth ####.

 

[thatguy]

went with Vick and IMO, it's not really that close.

I invite you and everyone else whos opinion is it isnt close to say why.Im a Pats fan and I wont forgive Vick for his past business but hes paid the price and is trying. But to me its not close and its clearly Brady, I understand the argument but IMO your lying to yourself.

Vick has shown that hes a top 5 QB in the NFL who knows about his career but this year its not close, Brady has outperformed him with less. To make an argument against because its not something Vick has done before but Brady has just adds to the opinion that the MVP title isnt worth ####.

Brady may have less to work with, but to say he's outperformed Vick is rather disingenuous, to put it mildly. Even having missed about 4 games worth of action, Vick has more fantasy points than Brady, which doesn't necessarily imply he's outperformed him from a real football standpoint, but it's still a very good indicator of their overall production and performance. On a per-game basis, Vick's numbers blow Brady's out of the water. Their passing stats alone are very close on a per game basis, but add in Vick's rushing totals, and Vick absolutely crushes Brady--he crushes everybody.

 

[shortbow]

went with Vick and IMO, it's not really that close.

I invite you and everyone else whos opinion is it isnt close to say why.Im a Pats fan and I wont forgive Vick for his past business but hes paid the price and is trying. But to me its not close and its clearly Brady, I understand the argument but IMO your lying to yourself.

Vick has shown that hes a top 5 QB in the NFL who knows about his career but this year its not close, Brady has outperformed him with less. To make an argument against because its not something Vick has done before but Brady has just adds to the opinion that the MVP title isnt worth ####.

Brady may have less to work with, but to say he's outperformed Vick is rather disingenuous, to put it mildly. Even having missed about 4 games worth of action, Vick has more fantasy points than Brady, which doesn't necessarily imply he's outperformed him from a real football standpoint, but it's still a very good indicator of their overall production and performance. On a per-game basis, Vick's numbers blow Brady's out of the water. Their passing stats alone are very close on a per game basis, but add in Vick's rushing totals, and Vick absolutely crushes Brady--he crushes everybody.

I would have bolded the portions I disagree with but it was pretty much the entire thing, your right it "doesn't necessarily imply he's outperformed him from a real football standpoint".Its not arguable Brady does have less, week 3 people were clamoring about how the Patriots will be in shambles because now defenses just have to focus on Welker, low-and-behold Brady turns two rookie TEs into the two top prospective TEs in the league (even more so than Moeaki) brings back a pro-bowl WR everyone though was done when they traded him away originally and two no-name backs everyone thought couldnt hold their own in any system in the NFL.

The Patriots had far and away the toughest schedule in the NFL this year, have the best record, and their quarterback leads the league in (not sure of the specifics atm) I think every category but rushing TDs in his last like 9 games hes thrown 20-21(?) Tds and has rushed for at least 1. [edit] Forgot to mention he hasnt thrown a pick in 8 games and like 300 passing attempts.

They have played only 2 teams less than .500 and actually lost to one of them, but have beaten the top 5 defenses in the NFL convincingly (albeit the Packers game had me worried)

Like I said, your lying to yourself.

 

[thatguy]

went with Vick and IMO, it's not really that close.

I invite you and everyone else whos opinion is it isnt close to say why.Im a Pats fan and I wont forgive Vick for his past business but hes paid the price and is trying. But to me its not close and its clearly Brady, I understand the argument but IMO your lying to yourself.

Vick has shown that hes a top 5 QB in the NFL who knows about his career but this year its not close, Brady has outperformed him with less. To make an argument against because its not something Vick has done before but Brady has just adds to the opinion that the MVP title isnt worth ####.

Brady may have less to work with, but to say he's outperformed Vick is rather disingenuous, to put it mildly. Even having missed about 4 games worth of action, Vick has more fantasy points than Brady, which doesn't necessarily imply he's outperformed him from a real football standpoint, but it's still a very good indicator of their overall production and performance. On a per-game basis, Vick's numbers blow Brady's out of the water. Their passing stats alone are very close on a per game basis, but add in Vick's rushing totals, and Vick absolutely crushes Brady--he crushes everybody.

I would have bolded the portions I disagree with but it was pretty much the entire thing, your right it "doesn't necessarily imply he's outperformed him from a real football standpoint".Its not arguable Brady does have less, week 3 people were clamoring about how the Patriots will be in shambles because now defenses just have to focus on Welker, low-and-behold Brady turns two rookie TEs into the two top prospective TEs in the league (even more so than Moeaki) brings back a pro-bowl WR everyone though was done when they traded him away originally and two no-name backs everyone thought couldnt hold their own in any system in the NFL.

The Patriots had far and away the toughest schedule in the NFL this year, have the best record, and their quarterback leads the league in (not sure of the specifics atm) I think every category but rushing TDs in his last like 9 games hes thrown 20-21(?) Tds and has rushed for at least 1.

They have played only 2 teams less than .500 and actually lost to one of them, but have beaten the top 5 defenses in the NFL convincingly (albeit the Packers game had me worried)



Like I said, your lying to yourself.

No. No I'm not. Don't presume to know what goes on inside my head. Argue away, I really don't care about your opinion. You're clearly biased on this matter. I, on the other hand, am not.

 

[shortbow]

went with Vick and IMO, it's not really that close.

I invite you and everyone else whos opinion is it isnt close to say why.Im a Pats fan and I wont forgive Vick for his past business but hes paid the price and is trying. But to me its not close and its clearly Brady, I understand the argument but IMO your lying to yourself.

Vick has shown that hes a top 5 QB in the NFL who knows about his career but this year its not close, Brady has outperformed him with less. To make an argument against because its not something Vick has done before but Brady has just adds to the opinion that the MVP title isnt worth ####.

Brady may have less to work with, but to say he's outperformed Vick is rather disingenuous, to put it mildly. Even having missed about 4 games worth of action, Vick has more fantasy points than Brady, which doesn't necessarily imply he's outperformed him from a real football standpoint, but it's still a very good indicator of their overall production and performance. On a per-game basis, Vick's numbers blow Brady's out of the water. Their passing stats alone are very close on a per game basis, but add in Vick's rushing totals, and Vick absolutely crushes Brady--he crushes everybody.

I would have bolded the portions I disagree with but it was pretty much the entire thing, your right it "doesn't necessarily imply he's outperformed him from a real football standpoint".Its not arguable Brady does have less, week 3 people were clamoring about how the Patriots will be in shambles because now defenses just have to focus on Welker, low-and-behold Brady turns two rookie TEs into the two top prospective TEs in the league (even more so than Moeaki) brings back a pro-bowl WR everyone though was done when they traded him away originally and two no-name backs everyone thought couldnt hold their own in any system in the NFL.

The Patriots had far and away the toughest schedule in the NFL this year, have the best record, and their quarterback leads the league in (not sure of the specifics atm) I think every category but rushing TDs in his last like 9 games hes thrown 20-21(?) Tds and has rushed for at least 1.

They have played only 2 teams less than .500 and actually lost to one of them, but have beaten the top 5 defenses in the NFL convincingly (albeit the Packers game had me worried)



Like I said, your lying to yourself.

No. No I'm not. Don't presume to know what goes on inside my head. Argue away, I really don't care about your opinion. You're clearly biased on this matter. I, on the other hand, am not.

I stated I was biased, I also stated you were biased, its pretty obvious and denying it is ridiculous, your argument is "Brady has done more with less, but not really. Brady has outperformed Vick, but not really. Its not even close."When the opposite is fact and not opinion.

 

[thatguy]

I stated I was biased, I also stated you were biased, its pretty obvious and denying it is ridiculous, your argument is "Brady has done more with less, but not really. Brady has outperformed Vick, but not really. Its not even close."

When the opposite is fact and not opinion.

The bolded is a fact. The rest is opinion, presumption, and rhetoric (and piss poor rhetoric at that). Your assessment of my so-called argument tells me all I need to know about you. In fact, I made no argument--I simply gave facts that refuted part of your argument. I learned a long time ago never to attempt intelligent discussion with people of your nature, so it is at this juncture that I must take my own advice and bid you fairwell. Merry Christmas!

 

[shortbow]

I stated I was biased, I also stated you were biased, its pretty obvious and denying it is ridiculous, your argument is "Brady has done more with less, but not really. Brady has outperformed Vick, but not really. Its not even close."

When the opposite is fact and not opinion.

The bolded is a fact. The rest is opinion, presumption, and rhetoric (and piss poor rhetoric at that). Your assessment of my so-called argument tells me all I need to know about you. In fact, I made no argument--I simply gave facts that refuted part of your argument. I learned a long time ago never to attempt intelligent discussion with people of your nature, so it is at this juncture that I must take my own advice and bid you fairwell. Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas, what are you doing this fine Christmas eve? Im stuck at work. Whats actually happening in this back and forth is, I invited someone (no one specifically) to make an argument for why it wasnt close in favor of Vick. Ive never once said that anything you or I said was definitive fact, but the "facts" you stated (not argued mind you) were the definition of rhetoric.I apologize if I misinterpreted your entire response as an argument instead of a statement, but the point remains, if that is your statement it isnt accurate in any sense of the word.

went with Vick and IMO, it's not really that close.

I invite you and everyone else whos opinion is it isnt close to say why.Im a Pats fan and I wont forgive Vick for his past business but hes paid the price and is trying. But to me its not close and its clearly Brady, I understand the argument but IMO your lying to yourself.

Vick has shown that hes a top 5 QB in the NFL who knows about his career but this year its not close, Brady has outperformed him with less. To make an argument against because its not something Vick has done before but Brady has just adds to the opinion that the MVP title isnt worth ####.

Brady may have less to work with, but to say he's outperformed Vick is rather disingenuous, to put it mildly. Even having missed about 4 games worth of action, Vick has more fantasy points than Brady, which doesn't necessarily imply he's outperformed him from a real football standpoint, but it's still a very good indicator of their overall production and performance. On a per-game basis, Vick's numbers blow Brady's out of the water. Their passing stats alone are very close on a per game basis, but add in Vick's rushing totals, and Vick absolutely crushes Brady--he crushes everybody.

These are the two points I addressed and then posted a pretty well constructed response. Its not arguable, Vick has more talent on his team everywhere. Vick isnt in any sort of dominating position what so ever over the top 5 Quarterbacks. When I said you were lying to yourself, I apologize lol, I didnt realize you werent the original poster that I replied to but I meant it towards anyone of that opinion.Vick may be the MVP, depending on how the last two games pan out, but to say its not even close is completely ridiculous.

Feel free to respond, im honestly just looking for some insight on that specific opinion, I wait. Sitting at work on Christmas eve, with nothing better to do.

 

[6_funk]

I voted for Vick.

Brady will get it, and he's definitely deserving.

I just think that the Patriots are SO well coached (more so than any other team) that they make players appear better than they are. Belichick has created a synergy that is unmatched in football.

 

[shortbow]

I voted for Vick.Brady will get it, and he's definitely deserving.I just think that the Patriots are SO well coached (more so than any other team) that they make players appear better than they are. Belichick has created a synergy that is unmatched in football.

Andy Reid is a really good coach.

 

[thatguy]

The bolded is a fact. The rest is opinion, presumption, and rhetoric (and piss poor rhetoric at that). Your assessment of my so-called argument tells me all I need to know about you. In fact, I made no argument--I simply gave facts that refuted part of your argument. I learned a long time ago never to attempt intelligent discussion with people of your nature, so it is at this juncture that I must take my own advice and bid you fairwell. Merry Christmas!

I invite you and everyone else whos opinion is it isnt close to say why.

Im a Pats fan and I wont forgive Vick for his past business but hes paid the price and is trying. But to me its not close and its clearly Brady, I understand the argument but IMO your lying to yourself.

Vick has shown that hes a top 5 QB in the NFL who knows about his career but this year its not close, Brady has outperformed him with less. To make an argument against because its not something Vick has done before but Brady has just adds to the opinion that the MVP title isnt worth ####.

These are the two points I addressed and then posted a pretty well constructed response. Its not arguable, Vick has more talent on his team everywhere. Vick isnt in any sort of dominating position what so ever over the top 5 Quarterbacks. When I said you were lying to yourself, I apologize lol, I didnt realize you werent the original poster that I replied to but I meant it towards anyone of that opinion.

Vick may be the MVP, depending on how the last two games pan out, but to say its not even close is completely ridiculous.

Feel free to respond, im honestly just looking for some insight on that specific opinion, I wait. Sitting at work on Christmas eve, with nothing better to do.

Fair enough man. I didn't mean to come across as a jerk, either, but I tend to do that when people post things like "you're lying to yourself." Now that we've cleared that up, I think we can agree all's well. When I said Brady may have less to work with, I said so due to Brady's far superior offensive line. Vick undoubtedly has much better skill position players to work with--that's not in question, but neither is the superiority of Brady's O Line. It's tough to quantify the respective value that those two distinct groups bring to a team, an offense, and specifically a QB, and therefore, I said maybe. The effect of a great O Line is not easily quantifiable. As far as my saying "he crushes everybody," I was talking purely counting stats on a per game basis, and that is a fact. Of course, it doesn't take into account SoS and many other factors, which is why I precluded the entire subject with something to the tune of, "and I know this isn't necessarily the best indicator of real football success." But like I said, it is one measure of many that we can use to gauge the production and performance of a given player

Anyway, we're cool man. Merry Christmas again! Hopefully you made it home from the office at a reasonable hour last night.

 

[PMENFAN]

The Eagles were 11th in total yards last year. They are first this year despite losing Westbrook and not getting a single offensive player out of the 2010 draft. The Patriots were 3rd last year, and were 5th two years ago when Matt Cassell was the starting QB. They are 9th this year despite adding two of the most highly regarding TEs in college football in the 2010 draft (obviously they lost Moss after a few games, but that was by choice).I don't think this line of reasoning helps you as much as you think it does.

Honestly, the addition of 2 rookie pass catchers is not usually the formula for instant success. Very few "highly regarded" receivers ( either WR or TE ) come out and light it up in year 1. That the Patriots have been as successful integrating these 2 rookies into the top scoring offense in the league is a testament to both Brady and the coaching staff, IMO.

Don't forget Alge Crumpler. If I had to pick one person most directly tied to their fast development, it would be hard not to give the credit to Alge.

I had my typical Pats glasses on, where all good can only be achieved by BB or Brady. jk.

The post about the TEs was to contrast a post claiming that the Pats were using cobbled-together pieces to form the league's best offense out of rubble, while the Eagles were basically the same team they were last year so Vick shouldn't get the credit.The conclusion, which nobody has challenged, is that when you look at yards gained instead of misleading scoring numbers, the Pats are the same offense- actually slightly worse- than the 2009 and even the 2008 Cassell-led Pats, while the Eagles have jumped from #11 to #1 in total offense under Vick.In other words, if you want to evaluate the MVP based on who has made the biggest difference in offensive production as compared to last year or previous seasons without the player, the choice is obvious. It's Vick by a mile.

I, like most rational people, put scoring offense as a better indicator, because yards don't win games, points do. Getting the ball into the end zone is the key. Vick has been great, but it doesn't take greatness with the players he has. Branch was nothing in Seattle, yet comes back to NE and is revitalized. The third and sixth rough TE's are the difference makers? Seriously? The idfference maker is Tom Brady. His ability to read a defense and exceute a game plan. More importantly NOT throwing the ball to the other team, is huge. Both would be good MVP's, but Brady is just a notch above because he's the reason it's happening. I se McCoy and Jackson making lots of plays I don't see from Tate and Green-Ellis/Woodhead.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

The third and sixth rough TE's are the difference makers? Seriously?

Some of your points are legit, but when you put stuff in like this it drowns out the good points. Gronkowski was a no-brainer 1st round TE before his back injury. That was the only reason he was downgraded. No one wanted to risk the back injury except BB. His talent is a top tier TE and it's clear. From your words, you present Gronk as a guy lost in the shuffle of forgettable TE prospects and that cannot be further from the truth.

 

[Tillmanisahero]

1. Tom Brady · NWE2. Philip Rivers · SDG3. Michael Vick · PHI

This. I could not vote for a dog killer.

Same here. To me the person who will represent the NFL as its MVP shouldn't be a puke bag IMHO.

 

[Gadabout]

Vick should still be in jail.

 

[two_dollars]

Don't worry Vick lovers, Goodell has intervened and removed the possibility of a bad game in the snow, and moved the game to better weather.

 

[Green and Gold]

I'm not sure there is anything Vick can do at this point that will actually get him the award. Brady is just too close to perfect vs. better defenses and in consistently poor weather. If it wasn't for the dog thing this might be closer, but that will influence (unfairly, imo, since this is an on-the-field award) votes as well.

 

[Jambi]

Brady set any more NFL quarterbacking records today?

 

[shortbow]

Brady set any more NFL quarterbacking records today?

He broke the NFL record for consecutive passes without an interception 11 times in one game.

 

[kyoun1e]

Debate this all you want, but this is officially over.

Vick will get votes, but it's going to be hard to deny the guy who has officially had a record breaking season combined with the fact that he's led his team to the best record in the league.

KY

 

[Carver]

1) Philip Rivers

2) Long-haired new NFL sissy rules poster child

3) Puppy murderer

Amen brother. Brady could be a Joe Montana/Peyton Manning/Dan Marino/Johnny Unitas clone and I wouldn't vote for him. I'll vote for a dog killer over Pretty Boy every day of the week.I like the Rivers argument too.

This is hilarious. I'm a bears fan, so no horse in the race, but to dismiss brady as just a pretty boy is one of the more ridiculous things I've ever heard. Brady is one of the tougher QBs in the league, he's a strong leader and a fierce competitor. He's also an extremely hard worker, even after all of his success. I'd bet a month's paycheck that "pretty boy" brady is tougher by just about every metric possible than anonymous internet FF nerds who call him a pretty boy. Reminds me of 4th grade. "You've got long hair you're GAY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!"

There aren't many things that make a person seem less knowledgeable about football.

 

[Carver]

I hate dogs, so I'll go with Vick for showing them who's boss.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Brady set any more NFL quarterbacking records today?

Best flowing and conditioned hair for a QB ever

 

[DropKick]

In your opinion how many games should a MVP candidate be allowed to miss yet be MVP? There has to be some right....I mean you don't think Rex Grossman should be MVP nor would you select Vincent Jackson.

Brady can miss games, too; if the Pats win this weekend at Buffalo, he'll sit most or all of week 17. The Eagles are likely to have something to play for in week 17.If that happens, Vick will likely end up with more total yards than Brady, and close to the same number of TDs, in 2-3 fewer games.

That may happen, but it would be a change from the way the Patriots have done business in week 17 over the past decade.

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, it's certainly plausible that Vick puts up numbers as good or better than Brady in fewer games; if he does that, I don't see how you can claim that the guy who put up the same numbers in more games is a better MVP candidate than the guy who put up the same numbers in fewer games.Currently:

Brady 3578 total yards, 32 total TD, 4 INT

Vick 3368 total yards, 28 total TD, 5 INT

On a per-game basis, Vick is averaging 50+ yards more than Brady, so even if they both play two full games, Vick could catch him in total yardage. Brady will probably keep his lead in TDs if he plays two full games, but even there Vick could catch him.

Anyway, my point is that if two guys put up similar numbers, one of them in 16 games and one in 13, the guy who did it in 13 is more valuable.

I don't put the same weight on pure production as you. I want my QB to make very few mistakes and do what he needs to do to win the game. Because, after all, winning football games is what matters most. For example, Brady only had 140 years passing yesterday. This is, in part, due to turnovers in Buffalo territory and a game plan that emphasized the running game. Eli went over 300... who had the better day? In their past five games, Brady has one interception/fumble. Vick has twelve (of course, not all fumbles are lost). I'll take the guy with a long, proven track record who has secured the #1 seed and home field advantage.I'm not a Vick hater - I'm happy to see him resurrect his career and enjoy watching him play. He is an incredible dual threat athlete. The rushing numbers really put him in the conversation. But they could also be his downfall. I don't want my QB exposed to those extra hits. It can all end in a hurry.

 

[LHUCKS]

Debate this all you want, but this is officially over.

Link?

 

[mcnabbmcnow]

Brady by a hair, but wouldn't mind if they were Co-MVP's. Rivers is out after yesterday's debacle.

 

[captain_amazing]

.......................

 

[Masked Vigilante]

It's over. Brady wins in a landslide.

 

[Jason Wood]

Not that there was really much of a race heading into this week, but Brady has this thing locked up. Vick, outside a magical 4th quarter last week, has really come back to Earth of late.

 

[Go deep]

Its a two person race now, Tom Brady vs. Jamaal Charles.

Alright, i know Charles doesnt have a chance, but he should.

 

[two_dollars]

Yeah, Vick gave it a good run. He gave people something to talk about, but his chances at the MVP are done after tonight. He couldn't get it done when his team needed him most. Brady gets 90% of the votes now.

 

[two_dollars]

Its a two person race now, Tom Brady vs. Jamaal Charles.Alright, i know Charles doesnt have a chance, but he should.

I would agree with you except Charles doesn't touch the ball enough. It's not his fault, and he's having a hell of a season but the touches just aren't there. I'd like to see what he could have done with more myself.

 

[valhallan]

: saintsfan:

Time for Brady to get his recognition as a master of the game.

 

[pizzatyme]

Easy for this Colts fan to pick Brady this year. Gotta give credit where it's due.

Brady

Manning

Rivers

Vick

 

[Go deep]

Its a two person race now, Tom Brady vs. Jamaal Charles.Alright, i know Charles doesnt have a chance, but he should.

I would agree with you except Charles doesn't touch the ball enough. It's not his fault, and he's having a hell of a season but the touches just aren't there. I'd like to see what he could have done with more myself.

I think it is even more impressive what he did with the amount of touches he got. He will finish with near 2000 yards with less than 300 touches. When you factor in that he averaged 6.4 YPC and his teammate only averaged 3.7, it should be clear how valuable he was to the team.Bradys int number is impressive, but the Patriots were at the bottom of the league in pass attempts, and his yardage and TD's arent that much better than Eli Mannings.Either way, i know none of that matters, if Tom Brady has a better year than Peyton, he is getting it. They may as well rename the award to the Brady/Manning trophy.

 

[Green and Gold]

Its a two person race now, Tom Brady vs. Jamaal Charles.Alright, i know Charles doesnt have a chance, but he should.

I would agree with you except Charles doesn't touch the ball enough. It's not his fault, and he's having a hell of a season but the touches just aren't there. I'd like to see what he could have done with more myself.

I think it is even more impressive what he did with the amount of touches he got. He will finish with near 2000 yards with less than 300 touches. When you factor in that he averaged 6.4 YPC and his teammate only averaged 3.7, it should be clear how valuable he was to the team.Bradys int number is impressive, but the Patriots were at the bottom of the league in pass attempts, and his yardage and TD's arent that much better than Eli Mannings.Either way, i know none of that matters, if Tom Brady has a better year than Peyton, he is getting it. They may as well rename the award to the Brady/Manning trophy.

Brady's TD to INT ratio is a ridiculous 8.5, easily beating the previous record of 6.5 (set by Brady in 2007). He leads the league in TDs and passer rating (7th all time in single season passer rating). He's 11th in pass attempts and 6th in passing yards.I really don't think the Brady name has much to do with the MVP this year. He's pretty much earned it.

 

[Maui]

No disrepect for Vick, but IMHO Brady is by far the better QB and has a much better coach.