Vikings after Brady Quinn? (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

And the reason for the clamor is that Quinn is going to be better, from this point forward, than either Jackson or Culpepper.

So in theory, those teams could draft a QB in the first round every year for the next 10 years?

I don't see how you deduce that from what I said.

Frankly some of the posts in this thread scare me. If a team cannot re-evaluate it's QB situation simply because it somewhat overpaid for a prospect in a prior draft, then God help us.

Your 1st sentance and 2nd sentance seem rather ironic to me. How can anyone possibly say at this moment in time that the Vikes overpaid for Jackson?

That's "ironic" to you? Interesting. It's "ironic" to me that you are taking my second sentence out of context, and ignoring the point of my post, all to question something I had not even taken a position on. Honestly, you had to have ignored the rest of my post to miss the point. Allow me to rephrase what I was trying to say, albeit imperfectly:"If a team cannot re-evaluate it's QB situation simply because it fears the residual impression that it somewhat overpaid for a prospect in a prior draft, then God help us."

And when I say "somewhat" my point was no one can really clobber the Vikes too much in hindsight over bundling 2nd round picks for a guy they thought might be the answer. I didn't like it as a fan, but I also didn't work the kid out. Regardless, this isn't "can't miss" territory of a draft, as the Vikes well know. And for the record, to answer your question I'm not saying it's a fact they overpaid for Jackson, and I'm not saying Jackson is not the answer [whether or not they draft another prospect like Quinn]. My point was QB remains an obvious weakness on this roster, and I'd feel more comfortable if this team went into next season with 2 QBs who "might" be the future franchise QB, as opposed to one.

I read all of your post and understood it perfectly fine. The irony has nothing to do with Minn having a need at QB or not. The irony is only that you seem to have formed an opinion of Minn overpaying for Jackson. That to me contrasts your original sentance of other posts being scary. It's scary to me that anyone can have formed that much of an opinion on Jackson when he has seen such little time to play and lacks experience. This is a guy I would expect even the Minn coaches are still in the dark about.The bottom line is I see no reason to question if Jackson was underpayed for or overpaid for at this juncture in time. His career has been far too short and we know hardly anyting about how it will play out. If you would like to see more competition at QB and view Jackson's ability to lead as questionable, I agree. We don't know what kind of player he will become yet. You seem to have made up your mind by saying they overpaid for him, even if you did only mean somewhat overpaid. It's only been 1 year and the guy came from 1AA ball.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I am a Quinn fan and wouldn't be opposed to them taking him if he is still available. As the team looks now, I wouldn't like it too much but I think they will address some of these shortcomings in free agency (Stallworth?). If they can grab Stallworth, then they can wait until round 2 or 3 to draft a WR since I think the other WRs would be too much of a reach at #7.

 

[jurb26]

Frankly some of the posts in this thread scare me. If a team cannot re-evaluate it's QB situation simply because it somewhat overpaid for a prospect in a prior draft, then God help us. This game changes year to year, and good teams do what it takes to better their chance to put a good product on the field. It's called "Best Player Available" drafting. QB is not a Viking strength by any stretch of the imagination, and the world won't end if the Vikings draft a guy who happens to prove to be a better QB option than Tarvaris. The Vikes are experts at wasting 2nd round picks, so this would hardly even be news to me. But the bottom line for me, even if Tarvaris Jackson wows coaches over the summer but <god forbid> breaks a leg in a preseason scrimmage, Brooks Bollinger is the guy for 2007 and a TBD journeyman would become his backup. That's absolutely laughable by NFL standards. Or conversely, if Brooks Bollinger is injured you are hopping on Tarvaris Jackson's shoulders for an experimental NFL season? I think people should be a tad more realistic here.

No, you certainly are not reading the posts. I specifically said I'm not concluding the Vikes overpaid for Jackson.

No you never specifically said this in your OP. You only stated it in your 2nd rebutle to me. You actually reinfoced it by implying to the fact that Minn "are experts at wasting 2nd round picks,.." Jackson was a 2nd round pick.

 

[jurb26]

Frankly some of the posts in this thread scare me. If a team cannot re-evaluate it's QB situation simply because it somewhat overpaid for a prospect in a prior draft, then God help us. This game changes year to year, and good teams do what it takes to better their chance to put a good product on the field. It's called "Best Player Available" drafting. QB is not a Viking strength by any stretch of the imagination, and the world won't end if the Vikings draft a guy who happens to prove to be a better QB option than Tarvaris. The Vikes are experts at wasting 2nd round picks, so this would hardly even be news to me. But the bottom line for me, even if Tarvaris Jackson wows coaches over the summer but <god forbid> breaks a leg in a preseason scrimmage, Brooks Bollinger is the guy for 2007 and a TBD journeyman would become his backup. That's absolutely laughable by NFL standards. Or conversely, if Brooks Bollinger is injured you are hopping on Tarvaris Jackson's shoulders for an experimental NFL season? I think people should be a tad more realistic here.

No, you certainly are not reading the posts. I specifically said I'm not concluding the Vikes overpaid for Jackson.

No you never specifically said this in your OP. You only stated it in your 2nd rebutle to me. You actually reinfoced it by implying to the fact that Minn "are experts at wasting 2nd round picks,.." Jackson was a 2nd round pick.

WOW!!! I already explained my intent in the first bolded wording. I agree it read confusing; nonetheless I stand by my explanation that I was attempting to say a team should not be precluded from re-evaluating its QB position **fearing that it may leave the impression** that it overpaid for a prior QB prospect. That was a reoccuring theme in prior posts; that because they used a 2nd to draft Jackson, it was forbidden that they now use a 1st round pick on another QB, which I feel is hogwash. Regardless, I should not need to explain that 3 times, whether or not it began as the most confusing sentence ever typed by mankind. I've told you, and I'm telling you again, that you misunderstood me.

On the second bolded wording, what a stretch on your part. That wording is unequivocally tied to the prior theoretical "and the world won't end if the Vikings draft a guy who happens to prove to be a better QB option than Tarvaris." I should not even need to explain the point was even **IF** that happened, and the Vikes in retrospect HAD wasted picks on Tarvaris, it would not even be news to me given their historic futility drafting players in the 2nd. That is absolutely different than me, today, declaring that they overpaid for Jackson.

You seem intent on proving some theoretical point. I'll just ask you this then. Do you think they overpaid for Jackson?I have already told you I see no probelm with them drafting a QB. I think they can use the competition as well. They certainly need the depth. I don't think anyone can have a strong opinion on Jackson yet. Personally I would think the better move would be to target Stanton in the 2nd but that just because I don't particularlly like Quinn.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It's always so interesting when guys argue semantics.

 

[BigJim®]

if landry grades out as 10th best prospect & they draft him at #7, is that really such a huge reach?

Not at all. In fact, I think the Vikings draft board probably looks something like this:1. Charles Johnson2. Jamaal Anderson3. Laron Landry4. Adrian Peterson5. Gaines Adams6. Brady QuinnI'd be fine with them taking Landry (or any one of the above). I'm not sure he's quite the prospect that Donte Whitner was for the Bills last year, but he's close. And they took him at #8(?) and he made a big impact on their defense.

No Calvin Johnson?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

if landry grades out as 10th best prospect & they draft him at #7, is that really such a huge reach?

Not at all. In fact, I think the Vikings draft board probably looks something like this:1. CharlesCalvin Johnson

2. Jamaal Anderson

3. Laron Landry

4. Adrian Peterson

5. Gaines Adams

6. Brady Quinn

I'd be fine with them taking Landry (or any one of the above). I'm not sure he's quite the prospect that Donte Whitner was for the Bills last year, but he's close. And they took him at #8(?) and he made a big impact on their defense.

No Calvin Johnson?

Fixed. Charles Johnson isn't in the picture.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

if landry grades out as 10th best prospect & they draft him at #7, is that really such a huge reach?

Not at all. In fact, I think the Vikings draft board probably looks something like this:1. CharlesCalvin Johnson

2. Jamaal Anderson

3. Laron Landry

4. Adrian Peterson

5. Gaines Adams

6. Brady Quinn

I'd be fine with them taking Landry (or any one of the above). I'm not sure he's quite the prospect that Donte Whitner was for the Bills last year, but he's close. And they took him at #8(?) and he made a big impact on their defense.

No Calvin Johnson?

Fixed. Charles Johnson isn't in the picture.

Hey, if Charles Johnson can rush the passer or catch a pass...I say DRAFT HIM!!

 

[BigJim®]

if landry grades out as 10th best prospect & they draft him at #7, is that really such a huge reach?

Not at all. In fact, I think the Vikings draft board probably looks something like this:1. CharlesCalvin Johnson

2. Jamaal Anderson

3. Laron Landry

4. Adrian Peterson

5. Gaines Adams

6. Brady Quinn

I'd be fine with them taking Landry (or any one of the above). I'm not sure he's quite the prospect that Donte Whitner was for the Bills last year, but he's close. And they took him at #8(?) and he made a big impact on their defense.

No Calvin Johnson?

Fixed. Charles Johnson isn't in the picture.

Just so you know I was not hacking on you; I haven't had much chance to study rookies yet and I thought Charles Johnson and Landry were guys I just wasn't familiar with. I sure hope their list looks like that.

 

[pigskin pimp]

I've read everyone's posts and wanted to throw in my two cents.

Unless the Vike's draft a Peppers, Reed, Bailey, or Kearse, there is no way the team should draft a defensive player.

The team has made big strides in the front office since trying to rebuild a porous defense when Tice took over from Denny "what's defense?" Green.

Now while I don't think that Tice was a great coach (way too candid for my tastes with the Randy Ratio and the Chicago is a tough guy town so we'll play tough guy football); either Tice and/or the FO made nice strides in making the Viking's D a laff to respectable with the FA signings of Winfield, Sharper, and PWilliams, and the drafting of KWilliams as a top ten after the Sims debauchle.

While the Viking's defense is not top notch. But, they are a top ten NFL D (depending on the health, growth, and production of the LB's). The DT's are top notch, they have 2 #1's at DE who hopefully will grow into the postion, EJ made strides, Winfield and Sharper are solid, and CGriffith looks like a player.

They have glaring needs at QB, WR, right side of the OL, TE, LDE, SS, and LB depth.

Now you would be able to get through the 07 season without a game breaking SS, as I believe there are far and few of them in the NFL. SO...the next greatest weakness on D...is Udeze is man? I like to give him another shot as he was intriguing as a rookie.

My point is the D is fine, even if the team doesn't add a marque player.

Now let's look at the offense.

The team is ready to hand over the reins to a 2nd year division 2 QB. I don't care what effing round the guy was picked in, there are busts in every draft position. We don't know what TJackson will bring to the table. Nobody knows. The backup plan is a Wisconsin backup QB who played a few NFL games because the Jets had 5 QBs on the DL. This IS CLEARLY an area of need.

QB: Is Quinn the savior or another bust? It doesn't matter. The kid has skills. Let him compete. These are athletes we're talking about. They have competed every day of their life. Draft and open up the competition. Let the best man win, and keep winning.

WR: If the ball hits you between the numbers, you catch it, it's simple. OK, it's more complexed. You need the speed, separation, and route running. But if you can touch it, you can catch it. I'm not that worried about WR and hope to hell the Vike's don't go #7 at WR. The only circumstance is if Calvin dropped, but it ain't gonna to happen, so stop wishing it. When the team has undrafted FAs (McMullen) and discarded trash (BJohnson) looking better than first round WRs (TTaylor and Willliamson), you know WR is a crap shoot. If the team takes any WR other than Calvin (the most polished WR since MeShaun), someone needs to be fired. The 2nd and 3rd round will produce many quality WRs. 1st round is not an option.

Right side of the OL: MJohnson looked lost. He is IMO a bust unless he can get it together this year. Maybe RG would be better for him as he was just pummelled from outside rushers. Hicks, meh. I'm not that worried about OL, with a Robin Leach envious squad on the left side. I will say this, if one of the premeir OL in the draft is available, I would not be disappointed with a selection. I know there is only Thomas making waves right now, but there are always OL that rocket their draft selection in the combine.

TE: Wiggins is getting old. JKleinsasser is not a great receiver and doesn't seem to be in Childress's plans. Not a huge need, as the team can get by with either. With so many quality TE FAs, I'm guessing this is not an area of concern.

As of now, IMO, the biggest concern going into the 07 season is QB. Now if BQuinn is not your guy, fine. But know one knows if Tjax is. But what the majority does know is that Bollinger is not. Address this issue. Trade for Carr. Draft Quinn. Do something. Please, oh please, do not let me watch and debate a Jackson-Bollinger training camp battle.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

While I agree that WR is a need, I will again state that Williamson is not as bad as people make him out to be! Yes, he dropped a number of catchable balls (at the worst moments to boot), but if you watched the Vikings all year, you saw a number of catches that he made that he had no business catching. One handed catches which were jaw dropping at times, so the problem isn't the hands, it's the concentration, which can be dealt with. I feel he will be fine, but the depth is the big issue. Travis Taylor is a good 2-3 type of a guy, but is also a free agent and don't know if he will re-sign with the team or not. McMullen (who I believe was a 3rd round pick) played well at the end of the season, but is also a 2-3 type of guy. If they can sign a free agent like Stallworth or Curtis, and have Williamson and the new guy as 1/1a then they can draft a 2nd or 3rd rounder to compete (Steve Smith in the 3rd or one of the first round types that could fall into the 2nd) then they will be ok at the WR position - not stellar, but much better than last season.

TE is a big concern of mine because I think Wiggins is a FA (maybe I'm wrong - thought I heard he was going to be gone or cut) and Kleinsasser is a FA and more than likely won't be back at his $2.9 M salary. If Olsen or Miller falls to the 2nd round, that would be a sweet pickup for the Vikes.

As far as Quinn goes, if he falls, I think you HAVE to take him. He is too good not to take him, unless someone is making a HUGE offer to move up. I like Tarvaris (just read in the Sporting News that he drove to Mobile to visit with the coaching staff), but you don't pass over a franchise type guy because you think a project will turn out. If he does, then you've got two studs...if not then Quinn takes over in year two.

I'm not as worried about the DE position as some, but you have to consider it. Ray Edwards looked good last year and so did the rookie from Mississippi (name escapes me now - edited to add name: Jayme Mitchell), so I think they have the depth to be effective there. I do think that Udeze played well, although he didn't get any sacks. Frazier will rely more on blitzes which will help take some pressure off the DE's.

It will be a fun offseason.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I've read everyone's posts and wanted to throw in my two cents.

Unless the Vike's draft a Peppers, Reed, Bailey, or Kearse, there is no way the team should draft a defensive player.

The team has made big strides in the front office since trying to rebuild a porous defense when Tice took over from Denny "what's defense?" Green.

Now while I don't think that Tice was a great coach (way too candid for my tastes with the Randy Ratio and the Chicago is a tough guy town so we'll play tough guy football); either Tice and/or the FO made nice strides in making the Viking's D a laff to respectable with the FA signings of Winfield, Sharper, and PWilliams, and the drafting of KWilliams as a top ten after the Sims debauchle.

While the Viking's defense is not top notch. But, they are a top ten NFL D (depending on the health, growth, and production of the LB's). The DT's are top notch, they have 2 #1's at DE who hopefully will grow into the postion, EJ made strides, Winfield and Sharper are solid, and CGriffith looks like a player.

There's two things wrong with this portion, the two #1 DE's are injury prone (and I HATE that term) and not that productive when healthy. James is only one year removed from ACL surgury and is a big question mark. EJ made strides, but is still extremely average. Winfield is my favorite Viking and Griffin was the Vikes best draft pick last year, but Sharper is at least a step, maybe two, slow now and is NOT any sort of answer back there.

Now you would be able to get through the 07 season without a game breaking SS, as I believe there are far and few of them in the NFL. SO...the next greatest weakness on D...is Udeze is man? I like to give him another shot as he was intriguing as a rookie.

My point is the D is fine, even if the team doesn't add a marque player.

Udeze's been in the league for three years. How many shots does he get?

Now let's look at the offense.

The team is ready to hand over the reins to a 2nd year division 2 QB. I don't care what effing round the guy was picked in, there are busts in every draft position. We don't know what TJackson will bring to the table. Nobody knows. The backup plan is a Wisconsin backup QB who played a few NFL games because the Jets had 5 QBs on the DL. This IS CLEARLY an area of need.

QB: Is Quinn the savior or another bust? It doesn't matter. The kid has skills. Let him compete. These are athletes we're talking about. They have competed every day of their life. Draft and open up the competition. Let the best man win, and keep winning.

WR: If the ball hits you between the numbers, you catch it, it's simple. OK, it's more complexed. You need the speed, separation, and route running. But if you can touch it, you can catch it. I'm not that worried about WR and hope to hell the Vike's don't go #7 at WR. The only circumstance is if Calvin dropped, but it ain't gonna to happen, so stop wishing it. When the team has undrafted FAs (McMullen) and discarded trash (BJohnson) looking better than first round WRs (TTaylor and Willliamson), you know WR is a crap shoot. If the team takes any WR other than Calvin (the most polished WR since MeShaun), someone needs to be fired. The 2nd and 3rd round will produce many quality WRs. 1st round is not an option.

Right side of the OL: MJohnson looked lost. He is IMO a bust unless he can get it together this year. Maybe RG would be better for him as he was just pummelled from outside rushers. Hicks, meh. I'm not that worried about OL, with a Robin Leach envious squad on the left side. I will say this, if one of the premeir OL in the draft is available, I would not be disappointed with a selection. I know there is only Thomas making waves right now, but there are always OL that rocket their draft selection in the combine.

TE: Wiggins is getting old. JKleinsasser is not a great receiver and doesn't seem to be in Childress's plans. Not a huge need, as the team can get by with either. With so many quality TE FAs, I'm guessing this is not an area of concern.

As of now, IMO, the biggest concern going into the 07 season is QB. Now if BQuinn is not your guy, fine. But know one knows if Tjax is. But what the majority does know is that Bollinger is not. Address this issue. Trade for Carr. Draft Quinn. Do something. Please, oh please, do not let me watch and debate a Jackson-Bollinger training camp battle.

Now this analysis is right on. On the right side, I think they're prepared to go with Cook at RT. But RG is an area of GLARING need.Both TE's are probably going to be released.

And I still think, that no matter how sure Childress is in Jackson, that the OWNER Wilf will want a marquee player (like a Brady Quinn) to revive some interest in the team which all of a sudden has people . Not good for a team pushing for a stadium.

 

[jestertj]

And the reason for the clamor is that Quinn is going to be better, from this point forward, than either Jackson or Culpepper.

Any way you can hook me up with the winning powerball numbers for this weekend while you're seeing the future?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And the reason for the clamor is that Quinn is going to be better, from this point forward, than either Jackson or Culpepper.

Any way you can hook me up with the winning powerball numbers for this weekend while you're seeing the future?

I suppose if I HAVE to put "IMO" after every posting, I will.

 

[jestertj]

And the reason for the clamor is that Quinn is going to be better, from this point forward, than either Jackson or Culpepper.

Any way you can hook me up with the winning powerball numbers for this weekend while you're seeing the future?

I suppose if I HAVE to put "IMO" after every posting, I will.

ANSWER THE QUESTION!I like your take on the draft board. I hope it looks that way. If Quinn is there, it's a great time to trade down a couple of spots. Then trade down a few more and look for a WR like Bowe and more picks. Having a couple of extra 2nd-4th round picks would be a great way to increase talent and depth. (IMO )

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And the reason for the clamor is that Quinn is going to be better, from this point forward, than either Jackson or Culpepper.

Any way you can hook me up with the winning powerball numbers for this weekend while you're seeing the future?

I suppose if I HAVE to put "IMO" after every posting, I will.

ANSWER THE QUESTION!I like your take on the draft board. I hope it looks that way. If Quinn is there, it's a great time to trade down a couple of spots. Then trade down a few more and look for a WR like Bowe and more picks. Having a couple of extra 2nd-4th round picks would be a great way to increase talent and depth. (IMO )

NO! THE POWERBALL NUMBERS ARE MINE! But I don't think I'll play them. Wouldn't want the money to ruin me.I'm not normally a fan of any "trade down/up" talk. But hypothetically, if the Vikes DID have someone that wanted to move up to #7 to pick ANYBODY (except Adrian Peterson*), I think they'd be crazy to not move out of that spot.*I get thinking about AP running behind McKinnie/Hutch/Birk instead of the plodding Chet Taylor.

 

[jeter23]

The Vikings have been attempting to backpedal on the statement coach Brad Childress made shortly after the season that indicated the team would not be in the market for a quarterback. This is likely due in large part to the fact that Brady Quinn's draft stock appears to be slipping and the Vikings could be trying to give themselves leverage in a trade if Quinn slides to them at No. 7.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Vikings have been attempting to backpedal on the statement coach Brad Childress made shortly after the season that indicated the team would not be in the market for a quarterback. This is likely due in large part to the fact that Brady Quinn's draft stock appears to be slipping and the Vikings could be trying to give themselves leverage in a trade if Quinn slides to them at No. 7.

Same thing with the Lions.

The Lions seem to be waging a full-scale campaign to advertise how interested they are in possibly drafting a quarterback with the No. 2 pick this year. Coach Rod Marinelli talked about it Tuesday. President Matt Millen did so Wednesday. Now add offensive coordinator Mike Martz to the list. At the NFL scouting combine Thursday, Martz echoed Millen's sentiments about which position groups stood out. "Just on one position top to bottom and that's quarterback," Martz said. "If you look at these other positions, I think the quarterback crew is pretty (deep). I think there's a lot of guys in here that got a chance to be good players in the league. I think it's a very deep draft for quarterbacks." Marinelli confirmed Tuesday that Jon Kitna was the starter. "We all feel very good about him," Marinelli said. "But it's not to say that we won't need a quarterback to draft also for the future." Martz and Marinelli were extremely high on Kitna last season, but Martz said Thursday that the team had to be mindful of the future.

These guys act like they're working on the Manhattan Project. It's embarassing.

 

[phthalatemagic]

And the reason for the clamor is that Quinn is going to be better, from this point forward, than either Jackson or Culpepper.

So in theory, those teams could draft a QB in the first round every year for the next 10 years?

I don't see how you deduce that from what I said.

I might have said something wrong, I don't know. I'm just trying to understand what fans from your perspective are thinking.Next year, if a better QB than Quinn comes out, what according to your statement would stop the fans from wanting that QB? And so on?What I am boiling this down to is that both teams have QBs that need evaluation, yet according to the folks that want a QB on the team refuse to give it. You don't think that's crazy? How much can you possibly learn from a year on the bench from Jackson to determine that you need to draft a QB in the first? How much can you possibly learn from a handful of games from Culpepper that shouldn't have even played in to determine that you need to draft a QB in the first?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Next year, if a better QB than Quinn comes out, what according to your statement would stop the fans from wanting that QB? And so on?

Nothing. I guess you're right, in theory, a team could upgrade its QB every year. But the law of diminishing returns comes into play pretty quickly. You wouldn't spend successive #1 picks just for incremental improvements. But what happens if you go with Jackson and he fails and you didn't have Quinn. Now you're SOL. What happens if you take Quinn? There are three possibilities:A) Quinn succeeds and Jackson fails. Net result? A win - you have your starting QB.B) Jackson succeeds and Quinn fails. Net result? A win - you have your starting QB.C) Quinn succeeds and Jackson succeeds. Net result? A double win - you have your starting QB and nice trade bait/depth.D) Quinn fails and Jackson fails. Net result? A loss - you're screwed.So in my eyes, there's a better chance of having something good happen by taking Quinn than by bypassing him.

What I am boiling this down to is that both teams have QBs that need evaluation, yet according to the folks that want a QB on the team refuse to give it. You don't think that's crazy? How much can you possibly learn from a year on the bench from Jackson to determine that you need to draft a QB in the first?

A lot of it has to do with potential. There's a reason that Jackson was playing 1-AA. If he were that great in the first place, he'd have been playing D1. Yes, I know there have been successful players come out of 1-AA but it's really a crapshoot.

How much can you possibly learn from a handful of games from Culpepper that shouldn't have even played in to determine that you need to draft a QB in the first?

I learned all I needed to about Culpepper in the 8(?) or so games he played in in Minnesota BEFORE he got hurt. The injury is more to his brain than it is to his knee. He's just not that good of a quarterback

 

[phthalatemagic]

Thanks Andy - what you aren't factoring into your four senarios is that the Vikings have needs elsewhere besides QB, and that drafting a QB means not drafting a pass rusher or WR, or who knows what else is out there that could make a difference to the team.

I know you may dislike (edit: maybe dislike is not accurate - but discount?) Jackson's potential because he played at Alabama State (I think?) but he was drafted in the second round. Were the Vikings the only team to put this value in him? I don't know, I guess if they were they are suckers and had poor evaluation methods, but I'd like to think a guy drafted in the 2nd round, especially a QB should be given a season as a starter or at least given a season to fight for the starting spot.

Culpepper is indefensible but if I recall, Miami has had issues with QB for a while now, at least they gave Feeley a shot at QB before determining it was a mistake. It would seem to me that they would want stability there, even if it's mediocrity, as opposed to taking chances year after year at a good QB.

Thanks for the perspective

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Thanks Andy - what you aren't factoring into your four senarios is that the Vikings have needs elsewhere besides QB, and that drafting a QB means not drafting a pass rusher or WR, or who knows what else is out there that could make a difference to the team.

But at #7, there are no WR's other than Calvin Johnson that are worthy.I'm not saying that Quinn is the only option. DE is also a strong consideration, but is also a VERY deep position in this draft.Adrian Peterson is my preference, but the Vikes haven't called to ask my opinion yet.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Yeah, you are right. You never know, after the combine it's possible one of the WRs could drive up their perceived value.

 

[jestertj]

Thanks Andy - what you aren't factoring into your four senarios is that the Vikings have needs elsewhere besides QB, and that drafting a QB means not drafting a pass rusher or WR, or who knows what else is out there that could make a difference to the team.

But at #7, there are no WR's other than Calvin Johnson that are worthy.I'm not saying that Quinn is the only option. DE is also a strong consideration, but is also a VERY deep position in this draft.Adrian Peterson is my preference, but the Vikes haven't called to ask my opinion yet.

So have we reached, or passed for that matter, the point where you want Peterson this year as much as you wanted DeAngelo last?I would be excited to see any of the top names except Quinn.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So have we reached, or passed for that matter, the point where you want Peterson this year as much as you wanted DeAngelo last?

Passed. I liked DeAngelo, but am developing a man-crush for Peterson.

 

[jestertj]

So have we reached, or passed for that matter, the point where you want Peterson this year as much as you wanted DeAngelo last?

Passed. I liked DeAngelo, but am developing a man-crush for Peterson.

I cannot go as far, but would be excited to see him brought in. I fully expect him to post a 40 time that gets him selected before we get the chance though.

 

[Vikes Fan]

Next year, if a better QB than Quinn comes out, what according to your statement would stop the fans from wanting that QB? And so on?

Nothing. I guess you're right, in theory, a team could upgrade its QB every year. But the law of diminishing returns comes into play pretty quickly. You wouldn't spend successive #1 picks just for incremental improvements. But what happens if you go with Jackson and he fails and you didn't have Quinn. Now you're SOL. What happens if you take Quinn? There are three possibilities:A) Quinn succeeds and Jackson fails. Net result? A win - you have your starting QB.B) Jackson succeeds and Quinn fails. Net result? A win - you have your starting QB.C) Quinn succeeds and Jackson succeeds. Net result? A double win - you have your starting QB and nice trade bait/depth.D) Quinn fails and Jackson fails. Net result? A loss - you're screwed.So in my eyes, there's a better chance of having something good happen by taking Quinn than by bypassing him.

You are right that 1,2, or 3 would be positive, but how are we going to find out about both QBs at the same time? So, a team that is pushing for a new stadium is going to have their choice next year between a rookie, a second year guy that has started 2 games, or a guy that should be in the arena league? I think there is a win now mentality at Winder Park that starts from the ownership. I not am saying that the Vikings have a snowball's chance of going to the Super Bowl (or the playoffs), but what about Chilli's short leash? Don't you think he is under pressure to at least increase his win total next year? Don't you think spending a first rounder on a second QB of the future when there are more pressing needs, would doom him almost from the start? (I know that this would be a good thing to Andy because he is president of the Fire Chidress Club.) They need someone who can step in now and contribute. (IMO )

 

[Vikes Fan]

The Vikings have been attempting to backpedal on the statement coach Brad Childress made shortly after the season that indicated the team would not be in the market for a quarterback. This is likely due in large part to the fact that Brady Quinn's draft stock appears to be slipping and the Vikings could be trying to give themselves leverage in a trade if Quinn slides to them at No. 7.

Entire Article from Star Tribune:

http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1020064.html

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You are right that 1,2, or 3 would be positive, but how are we going to find out about both QBs at the same time?

Training camp & a pre-season battle. Play the best one.

So, a team that is pushing for a new stadium is going to have their choice next year between a rookie, a second year guy that has started 2 games, or a guy that should be in the arena league? I think there is a win now mentality at Winder Park that starts from the ownership. I not am saying that the Vikings have a snowball's chance of going to the Super Bowl (or the playoffs), but what about Chilli's short leash? Don't you think he is under pressure to at least increase his win total next year? Don't you think spending a first rounder on a second QB of the future when there are more pressing needs, would doom him almost from the start? (I know that this would be a good thing to Andy because he is president of the Fire Chidress Club.) They need someone who can step in now and contribute. (IMO )

And there's the rub. They are in "win now" mode but the areas of greatest need, QB & WR, are the ones that take the longest time to develop. I'd rather have a rookie, a second year guy that has started 2 games, and a guy that should be in the arena league over having just a guy that has started 2 games, and a guy that should be in the arena league. Who do you think they could get as a FA that would be a difference maker at QB? If they're not interested in Garcia, I can't see anyone else, unless they're going to pony up for Matt Schaub (who I'm also not high on).Buckle in folks, you're looking at a 6 win season at best again.

 

[Vikes Fan]

You are right that 1,2, or 3 would be positive, but how are we going to find out about both QBs at the same time?

Training camp & a pre-season battle. Play the best one.

So, a team that is pushing for a new stadium is going to have their choice next year between a rookie, a second year guy that has started 2 games, or a guy that should be in the arena league? I think there is a win now mentality at Winder Park that starts from the ownership. I not am saying that the Vikings have a snowball's chance of going to the Super Bowl (or the playoffs), but what about Chilli's short leash? Don't you think he is under pressure to at least increase his win total next year? Don't you think spending a first rounder on a second QB of the future when there are more pressing needs, would doom him almost from the start? (I know that this would be a good thing to Andy because he is president of the Fire Chidress Club.) They need someone who can step in now and contribute. (IMO )

And there's the rub. They are in "win now" mode but the areas of greatest need, QB & WR, are the ones that take the longest time to develop. I'd rather have a rookie, a second year guy that has started 2 games, and a guy that should be in the arena league over having just a guy that has started 2 games, and a guy that should be in the arena league. Who do you think they could get as a FA that would be a difference maker at QB? If they're not interested in Garcia, I can't see anyone else, unless they're going to pony up for Matt Schaub (who I'm also not high on).Buckle in folks, you're looking at a 6 win season at best again.

As we have said all along, preseason means little. Look at how great Jackson looked last year. A preseason battle would not show enough to let us know if we had 1, 2, or 3.I would love to have Shaub as well, but we know that ain't happening.I would prefer they went after Carr. I know he has had his problems too, but I would like to see what he could do with a decent OL. I will state again that while speculating where they would make a trade to is impossible, I think a trade out of this spot is necessary. Up and get Johnson or down for additional picks is the way to go in my mind. Actually, I have buckled in for a 5 win season. I think they go backward, Childress is fired and Purple Nation is angry once again that they let the DC (Tomlin) go when he should have been the next head coach (Dungy).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Actually, I have buckled in for a 5 win season. I think they go backward, Childress is fired and Purple Nation is angry once again that they let the DC (Tomlin) go when he should have been the next head coach (Dungy).

Only drawback is that the franchise is now one step closer to Los Angeles.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

(KFFL) During an interview at the NFL Scouting Combine, NFL Draft Prospect QB Brady Quinn (Notre Dame) said he will interview with the Minnesota Vikings Friday, Feb. 23.

 

[pigskin pimp]

You are right that 1,2, or 3 would be positive, but how are we going to find out about both QBs at the same time?

Training camp & a pre-season battle. Play the best one.

So, a team that is pushing for a new stadium is going to have their choice next year between a rookie, a second year guy that has started 2 games, or a guy that should be in the arena league? I think there is a win now mentality at Winder Park that starts from the ownership. I not am saying that the Vikings have a snowball's chance of going to the Super Bowl (or the playoffs), but what about Chilli's short leash? Don't you think he is under pressure to at least increase his win total next year? Don't you think spending a first rounder on a second QB of the future when there are more pressing needs, would doom him almost from the start? (I know that this would be a good thing to Andy because he is president of the Fire Chidress Club.) They need someone who can step in now and contribute. (IMO )

And there's the rub. They are in "win now" mode but the areas of greatest need, QB & WR, are the ones that take the longest time to develop. I'd rather have a rookie, a second year guy that has started 2 games, and a guy that should be in the arena league over having just a guy that has started 2 games, and a guy that should be in the arena league. Who do you think they could get as a FA that would be a difference maker at QB? If they're not interested in Garcia, I can't see anyone else, unless they're going to pony up for Matt Schaub (who I'm also not high on).Buckle in folks, you're looking at a 6 win season at best again.

6 wins. It looks pretty bad going into 07.The best case scenario for the Vikes would to get Carr for a 4th or 5th. Hell, even swap the #7 for the #8 if needed. Bring in Carr, if he busts, he busts. At least TJax is learning. If he wins...this team could cause some ripples in the regular season.If the Vikes can obtain Carr, the #7 overall is no longer a NEED selection, it becomes a BPA selection.

 

[Vikes Fan]

You are right that 1,2, or 3 would be positive, but how are we going to find out about both QBs at the same time?

Training camp & a pre-season battle. Play the best one.

So, a team that is pushing for a new stadium is going to have their choice next year between a rookie, a second year guy that has started 2 games, or a guy that should be in the arena league? I think there is a win now mentality at Winder Park that starts from the ownership. I not am saying that the Vikings have a snowball's chance of going to the Super Bowl (or the playoffs), but what about Chilli's short leash? Don't you think he is under pressure to at least increase his win total next year? Don't you think spending a first rounder on a second QB of the future when there are more pressing needs, would doom him almost from the start? (I know that this would be a good thing to Andy because he is president of the Fire Chidress Club.) They need someone who can step in now and contribute. (IMO )

And there's the rub. They are in "win now" mode but the areas of greatest need, QB & WR, are the ones that take the longest time to develop. I'd rather have a rookie, a second year guy that has started 2 games, and a guy that should be in the arena league over having just a guy that has started 2 games, and a guy that should be in the arena league. Who do you think they could get as a FA that would be a difference maker at QB? If they're not interested in Garcia, I can't see anyone else, unless they're going to pony up for Matt Schaub (who I'm also not high on).Buckle in folks, you're looking at a 6 win season at best again.

6 wins. It looks pretty bad going into 07.The best case scenario for the Vikes would to get Carr for a 4th or 5th. Hell, even swap the #7 for the #8 if needed. Bring in Carr, if he busts, he busts. At least TJax is learning. If he wins...this team could cause some ripples in the regular season.If the Vikes can obtain Carr, the #7 overall is no longer a NEED selection, it becomes a BPA selection.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[dparker713]

The Texans OLine actually wasnt that bad this year. If you take a look at what Carr did, he completed a ton of drop off passes and nothing else really. Despite the obvious phobia to stand in the pocket, word around Houston is that they want significantly more then a 4th or 5th for him.

Im curious as to why secondary players aren't more of a need. IRCC, the Vikes defense got eaten alive through the air. Was this just a product of a truly terrible pass rush?

 

[FunkyPlutos]

The Texans OLine actually wasnt that bad this year. If you take a look at what Carr did, he completed a ton of drop off passes and nothing else really. Despite the obvious phobia to stand in the pocket, word around Houston is that they want significantly more then a 4th or 5th for him.

Im curious as to why secondary players aren't more of a need. IRCC, the Vikes defense got eaten alive through the air. Was this just a product of a truly terrible pass rush?

Not really, the pass rush wasn't quite as good as you have stated!! James was starting to show some great strides until he got hurt. The secondary isn't bad at all. Anyone can get open if they have enough time to run around and find gaps.

 

[Floyd The Barber]

The bottom line for Brad Childress is pretty simple...

As boring and unimaginative as your offense was last year, you have all the earmarks of "three years and done" head coach - unless you can to field a winner.

With a 6-10 Year One under your belt, are you willing to stake your first (and maybe only) shot as an NFL head coach on the success of Tavaris Jackson or Brooks Bollinger?   If not, you draft Brady Quinn or work out a deal for Matt Schaub.

Otherwise, take a number with the likes Romeo Crennel, Steve Mariucci and all the other three and done's who rolled the dice and never got their QB situations resolved.

 

[Donnybrook]

If the Vikes can obtain Carr, the #7 overall is no longer a NEED selection, it becomes a BPA selection.

What if Quinn is the BPA at 7. Doesn't that effect the ability of the Vikings to trade out of the position if teams know that the Vikings can't invest all that money at the QB position?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Vikes can obtain Carr, the #7 overall is no longer a NEED selection, it becomes a BPA selection.

What if Quinn is the BPA at 7. Doesn't that effect the ability of the Vikings to trade out of the position if teams know that the Vikings can't invest all that money at the QB position?

Again, they did not spend that much on Jackson as he was drafted toward the very end of the 2nd round. Money is not an issue at the QB spot for the Vikings.

 

[Donnybrook]

If the Vikes can obtain Carr, the #7 overall is no longer a NEED selection, it becomes a BPA selection.

What if Quinn is the BPA at 7. Doesn't that effect the ability of the Vikings to trade out of the position if teams know that the Vikings can't invest all that money at the QB position?

Again, they did not spend that much on Jackson as he was drafted toward the very end of the 2nd round. Money is not an issue at the QB spot for the Vikings.

As soon as Houston resigned Carr, everybody and their dog knew that they weren't taking Vincent Jackson despite what management was saying. So if the Vikings go into the draft with Carr, Bollinger and T Jackson, then I think teams would guess that they won't take Quinn as well.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Vikes can obtain Carr, the #7 overall is no longer a NEED selection, it becomes a BPA selection.

What if Quinn is the BPA at 7. Doesn't that effect the ability of the Vikings to trade out of the position if teams know that the Vikings can't invest all that money at the QB position?

Again, they did not spend that much on Jackson as he was drafted toward the very end of the 2nd round. Money is not an issue at the QB spot for the Vikings.

As soon as Houston resigned Carr, everybody and their dog knew that they weren't taking Vincent Jackson despite what management was saying. So if the Vikings go into the draft with Carr, Bollinger and T Jackson, then I think teams would guess that they won't take Quinn as well.

I didn't realize you were adding Carr in that equation. I agree if Carr is on the roster, no way they take Quinn.

 

[nathanbalboa]

This would fly in the face of my "Childress is going to bury the Vikings" theory, so there's no way it will happen. The Vikings would be a disaster if they went into the season with just Jackson and Bollinger. Bringing in Quinn would make a ton of sense, but nothing the organization does makes sense. Look for them to pass.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

If he's there, I think they take him without hesitation. The guy looks like a superstar in the making, and with the way the WRs worked out today, they will be able to get a solid prospect in round 2. Peterson will probably go top 5 now, after his workout which will help drop Quinn a bit.

 

[shamrock84]

This would fly in the face of my "Childress is going to bury the Vikings" theory, so there's no way it will happen. The Vikings would be a disaster if they went into the season with just Jackson and Bollinger. Bringing in Quinn would make a ton of sense, but nothing the organization does makes sense. Look for them to pass.

GDB Packer fans...

 

[JMon348]

Why do we need a de?

Kenechi and Erasmus have to play, they are first round picks and need to prove if they can play. James looked good before he got hurt, and Udeze had a horrible stat year, but still should be our starting DE.

and we have good backups. Darrion Scott is a reliable third DE and Ray Edwards looked great in spot, pass rushing downs.

If we draft a DE that means one of these guys wont see the field and i dont think thats right.

My personal feelings, we need a great MLB, and there isnt one in FA or the draft, so we are stuck with moving and OLB there or nappy again. OLB is set, but not specatuclar, with EJ,Leber, and Greenway.

I think we cut smoot, but are still ok at CB. Winfield and Griffin are nice starters with Devonte hopefully coming back strong from injury to give us a CB3 and whitaker at CB4, if Edwards doesnt look good we really need a nickle CB

Saftey is a need if we cut Sharper. We resigned Tank and Dwight Smith is coming back. The player i want to see more of is Greg Blue, who looked really good everytime he saw the field.

Offense is a mess. i wouldnt be upset if we spent our 1st on any position on offense.............................EXCEPT QB

no freaking way do i want to draft a qb, we do however need a vet qb to be brought in to compete with Tarvaris, im thinking Plummer,Carr, or Garcia, or a vet who might be cut soon. Jackson looked good for a rookie division II qb, and he deserves a shot to be our long term qb, drafting another qb early would shoot down TJ's confidence and might make his disgruntled. Give him a shot, dont draft Quinn

Offensive line is set on the left side, but the right is shaky. Marcus Johnson is going to try RG, so RT is kind of a big need. If Levi Brown grades out as good as a Levi Jones, he might be the pick.

WR is a mess, i dont see a starting WR on our roster right now. i think troy needs to be our WR3 this year and hopefully he evolves into a WR2 and a very good one. Travis might stay on as our WR4, with Bethel, Jason Carter and McMullen fighting it out. We have to draft a first day WR and make WR a top need in FA, id love Drew Bennett in FA

Chester played well at RB last year, Moore seems to be a playmaker, but somehow doesnt seem to see the field as often as he should. Also remember Chester's contract was pretty cheap. It looks like u need two big time backs to be succesful now so AD looks like he might be the pick if he falls.

With all that said my wish would be to trade up to 3 and take Calvin, it might be far fetched but if its at all possible and not to costly, go for it.

If we stay at 7 my prefrence would be

AD

Levi Brown

if both gone, trade down!

 

[Vikes Fan]

Why do we need a de?

Kenechi and Erasmus have to play, they are first round picks and need to prove if they can play. James looked good before he got hurt, and Udeze had a horrible stat year, but still should be our starting DE.

and we have good backups. Darrion Scott is a reliable third DE and Ray Edwards looked great in spot, pass rushing downs.

If we draft a DE that means one of these guys wont see the field and i dont think thats right.

My personal feelings, we need a great MLB, and there isnt one in FA or the draft, so we are stuck with moving and OLB there or nappy again. OLB is set, but not specatuclar, with EJ,Leber, and Greenway.

I think we cut smoot, but are still ok at CB. Winfield and Griffin are nice starters with Devonte hopefully coming back strong from injury to give us a CB3 and whitaker at CB4, if Edwards doesnt look good we really need a nickle CB

Saftey is a need if we cut Sharper. We resigned Tank and Dwight Smith is coming back. The player i want to see more of is Greg Blue, who looked really good everytime he saw the field.

Offense is a mess. i wouldnt be upset if we spent our 1st on any position on offense.............................EXCEPT QB

no freaking way do i want to draft a qb, we do however need a vet qb to be brought in to compete with Tarvaris, im thinking Plummer,Carr, or Garcia, or a vet who might be cut soon. Jackson looked good for a rookie division II qb, and he deserves a shot to be our long term qb, drafting another qb early would shoot down TJ's confidence and might make his disgruntled. Give him a shot, dont draft Quinn

Offensive line is set on the left side, but the right is shaky. Marcus Johnson is going to try RG, so RT is kind of a big need. If Levi Brown grades out as good as a Levi Jones, he might be the pick.

WR is a mess, i dont see a starting WR on our roster right now. i think troy needs to be our WR3 this year and hopefully he evolves into a WR2 and a very good one. Travis might stay on as our WR4, with Bethel, Jason Carter and McMullen fighting it out. We have to draft a first day WR and make WR a top need in FA, id love Drew Bennett in FA

Chester played well at RB last year, Moore seems to be a playmaker, but somehow doesnt seem to see the field as often as he should. Also remember Chester's contract was pretty cheap. It looks like u need two big time backs to be succesful now so AD looks like he might be the pick if he falls.

With all that said my wish would be to trade up to 3 and take Calvin, it might be far fetched but if its at all possible and not to costly, go for it.

If we stay at 7 my prefrence would be

AD

Levi Brown

if both gone, trade down!

My only information to add is that Bethel is a free agent and the Vikings have made no effort to resign him, so he is likely gone as a WR option (leading many to believe we are looking at Ginn as a returner).

Secondly, they have said (sorry, no link) that they will not cut Sharper. He was angry at being benched during the last game, but apparently he and the coaching staff talked it out and everything is cool. He will be back. (Now some will argue that is not a good thing because he has lost a step.)

I think the Vikings need to work the phone hard and trade up for C. Johnson and sign Drew Bennet. But that is just my humble opinion. I am sure they will never spend what it takes.

 

[Donnybrook]

From ProfootballWeekly.com:

Feb. 26, 2007After the Vikings’ season finale, head coach Brad Childress announced that the team would not be interested in taking a quarterback in the draft, leaving 2006 second-rounder Tarvaris Jackson and veteran backup Brooks Bollinger to compete for the job in 2007. Recently, Childress retracted that statement, specifically as it pertains to the team’s first-round pick. At the Combine, he clarified the Vikings’ stance. “We will have those two guys compete, and not name a starting quarterback,” Childress said. “However, it wouldn’t hurt anything to have a third guy competing there. If there’s a good football player that we covet at that seventh pick, and it happens to be a quarterback, we try to create that competition at all positions. So that quarterback position should be no different.”

I'm not sure if I'm buying it but Childress obviously needs to take this position if they want to find a trading partner.

 

[JMon348]

Why do we need a de?

Kenechi and Erasmus have to play, they are first round picks and need to prove if they can play. James looked good before he got hurt, and Udeze had a horrible stat year, but still should be our starting DE.

and we have good backups. Darrion Scott is a reliable third DE and Ray Edwards looked great in spot, pass rushing downs.

If we draft a DE that means one of these guys wont see the field and i dont think thats right.

My personal feelings, we need a great MLB, and there isnt one in FA or the draft, so we are stuck with moving and OLB there or nappy again. OLB is set, but not specatuclar, with EJ,Leber, and Greenway.

I think we cut smoot, but are still ok at CB. Winfield and Griffin are nice starters with Devonte hopefully coming back strong from injury to give us a CB3 and whitaker at CB4, if Edwards doesnt look good we really need a nickle CB

Saftey is a need if we cut Sharper. We resigned Tank and Dwight Smith is coming back. The player i want to see more of is Greg Blue, who looked really good everytime he saw the field.

Offense is a mess. i wouldnt be upset if we spent our 1st on any position on offense.............................EXCEPT QB

no freaking way do i want to draft a qb, we do however need a vet qb to be brought in to compete with Tarvaris, im thinking Plummer,Carr, or Garcia, or a vet who might be cut soon. Jackson looked good for a rookie division II qb, and he deserves a shot to be our long term qb, drafting another qb early would shoot down TJ's confidence and might make his disgruntled. Give him a shot, dont draft Quinn

Offensive line is set on the left side, but the right is shaky. Marcus Johnson is going to try RG, so RT is kind of a big need. If Levi Brown grades out as good as a Levi Jones, he might be the pick.

WR is a mess, i dont see a starting WR on our roster right now. i think troy needs to be our WR3 this year and hopefully he evolves into a WR2 and a very good one. Travis might stay on as our WR4, with Bethel, Jason Carter and McMullen fighting it out. We have to draft a first day WR and make WR a top need in FA, id love Drew Bennett in FA

Chester played well at RB last year, Moore seems to be a playmaker, but somehow doesnt seem to see the field as often as he should. Also remember Chester's contract was pretty cheap. It looks like u need two big time backs to be succesful now so AD looks like he might be the pick if he falls.

With all that said my wish would be to trade up to 3 and take Calvin, it might be far fetched but if its at all possible and not to costly, go for it.

If we stay at 7 my prefrence would be

AD

Levi Brown

if both gone, trade down!