Vikings discuss trading for Schaub? (4 Viewers)

[FunkyPlutos]

The #17 is a lot to give up, but wouldn't Schaub be better than Cutler anyway??

The Vikings spent part of Monday discussing a possible trade for Atlanta backup quarterback Matt Schaub, two people with knowledge of the situation said. The talks were casual and did not lead to formal negotiations, the sources said, but the interaction confirms the Vikings' desire to add depth to the position, either through a trade or in this month's draft.

Discussions could resume as the April 29-30 draft approaches, but as of Monday no further talks were planned.

Schaub, 24, has spent two seasons backing up Michael Vick. He has drawn rave reviews in extensive preseason appearances as well as two career starts and 22 career games, and he is entering the final year of his contract. More than a half-dozen teams reportedly have inquired about him, believing he is ready to be an NFL starter, but the Falcons have appeared unwilling to part with the valuable reserve.

Now, however, the Falcons might be looking to enhance their draft position; they traded their first-round draft pick to the New York Jets last month as part of a deal for defensive lineman John Abraham. The Vikings have five picks in the first three rounds and probably would have to part with their first-round pick, No. 17 overall, in order to complete a trade.

Any team that acquired Schaub almost certainly would seek to sign him to a long-term contract extension. The Vikings had no such discussions Monday, the sources said. Schaub's agent, David Dunn, did not return phone calls Monday.

Brad Johnson ascended to the top of the Vikings' depth chart last month upon the trade of Daunte Culpepper, but coach Brad Childress has remained noncommittal about the position's short- and long-term future. Last week, Childress said Johnson is "our starter right now."

Schaub would be a heavy favorite to open the 2006 season as the Vikings starter if he is acquired. Otherwise, they plan to use Johnson, 37, as their starter this season and draft their QB of the future. Childress indicated last week that they might seek out a second-tier prospect and spend 2006 and perhaps 2007 developing him for a future starting role.

Schaub has been one of the NFL's most discussed names this offseason. At 6-5 and 237 pounds, he is known as a pocket passer with exceptional poise and short-range accuracy. He also ran for 56 yards on four scrambles during a relief appearance last season against the Vikings.

The Vikings have been increasingly connected with rampant trade rumors involving Schaub this offseason, especially as their relationship with Culpepper deteriorated. But as other teams tried and failed, the assumption around the NFL has been that Atlanta valued him too much.

However, Falcons coach Jim Mora said last week that Schaub was available. Schaub's experience in the West Coast offense, both in Atlanta and at the University of Virginia, has convinced many scouts he is ready to take over a similar offense as early as this season.

The Falcons' third-round pick in 2004, Schaub compiled a 98.1 passer rating last season in completing 33 of 64 passes for 495 yards and four touchdowns with no interceptions.

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[vikesjunkie]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub. How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

 

[Slinger]

How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

Because you're loyal and not a bandwagoner? Hi Patriots fans.

 

[Osaurus]

Is Shaub really that good? Can he be a starter and survive a season?

 

[Mungo Burrows]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub. How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

They both started as 3rd rounders, then move up one round for each healthy knee.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Schaub > Cutler for the Viking's purposes.

For some reason, I get the feeling that Cutler = Boller.

 

[diesel7982]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub. How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

Youth + health + lower $$$$ + much better attitude + very good skills

 

[Stillers Jr.]

How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

Because you're loyal and not a bandwagoner? Hi Patriots fans.

SHAZAAM!

 

[snogger]

Thinking Brad Johnson woke up this morning feeling About the season...

Now hears this and is

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Thinking Brad Johnson woke up this morning feeling About the season...

Now hears this and is

I like Brad Johnson a lot. I think what he did last year was amazing.But if he thinks he's anything more than a stopgap for the Vikings, he's completely delusional.

 

[Bri]

Why don't the Jets give up their later 1st for him and draft D'Brick?

Vikes didn't want to wait to see if Daunte's knee was gonna be OK. Impatience cost them. I didn't like the trade when it happenned and think the Fins got a steal. IIRC Vikings fans were glad they got something for him and figure he's "done".

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Vikes didn't want to wait to see if Daunte's knee was gonna be OK. Impatience cost them. I didn't like the trade when it happenned and think the Fins got a steal. IIRC Vikings fans were glad they got something for him and figure he's "done".

That's not how it went down at all.It comes down to this: Brad Childress and Daunte Culpepper HATE each other. For some reason, they have for quite some time. Even BEFORE Childress was named head coach.

It has next to nothing to do with the knee and almost everything to do with personality.

 

[Bri]

Vikes didn't want to wait to see if Daunte's knee was gonna be OK. Impatience cost them. I didn't like the trade when it happenned and think the Fins got a steal. IIRC Vikings fans were glad they got something for him and figure he's "done".

That's not how it went down at all.It comes down to this: Brad Childress and Daunte Culpepper HATE each other. For some reason, they have for quite some time. Even BEFORE Childress was named head coach.

It has next to nothing to do with the knee and almost everything to do with personality.

I disagree because if this were the 2005 offseason we'd be saying Childress should find a way to get along with a QB that can put up those gaudy stats.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Vikes didn't want to wait to see if Daunte's knee was gonna be OK. Impatience cost them. I didn't like the trade when it happenned and think the Fins got a steal. IIRC Vikings fans were glad they got something for him and figure he's "done".

That's not how it went down at all.It comes down to this: Brad Childress and Daunte Culpepper HATE each other. For some reason, they have for quite some time. Even BEFORE Childress was named head coach.

It has next to nothing to do with the knee and almost everything to do with personality.

I disagree because if this were the 2005 offseason we'd be saying Childress should find a way to get along with a QB that can put up those gaudy stats.

If this were the 2005 offseason, Childress wouldn't be head coach.

 

[Bri]

Vikes didn't want to wait to see if Daunte's knee was gonna be OK. Impatience cost them. I didn't like the trade when it happenned and think the Fins got a steal. IIRC Vikings fans were glad they got something for him and figure he's "done".

That's not how it went down at all.It comes down to this: Brad Childress and Daunte Culpepper HATE each other. For some reason, they have for quite some time. Even BEFORE Childress was named head coach.

It has next to nothing to do with the knee and almost everything to do with personality.

I disagree because if this were the 2005 offseason we'd be saying Childress should find a way to get along with a QB that can put up those gaudy stats.

If this were the 2005 offseason, Childress wouldn't be head coach.

my point was the knee changed his value. He was so good a year ago it'd be "un heard of" to trade him away if not for a king's ransom in return

 

[John 14:6]

my point was the knee changed his value. He was so good a year ago it'd be "un heard of" to trade him away if not for a king's ransom in return

That and the fact he was playing horribly before the injury without Moss. I was hoping the Vikings could keep him but I guess they really ticked him off :(

 

[Hov34]

my point was the knee changed his value. He was so good a year ago it'd be "un heard of" to trade him away if not for a king's ransom in return

That and the fact he was playing horribly before the injury without Moss. I was hoping the Vikings could keep him but I guess they really ticked him off :(

Or Daunte ticked the Vikes off. He wouldn't come to Minnesota to re-hab and start leaning the new offense - not a quarterback I want to start my tenure off with...

 

[PsychoMan]

How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

Because you're loyal and not a bandwagoner? Hi Patriots fans.

 

[mbuehner]

Way too much to pay for Schaub for one season. If they dont have him nailed down to a long term contract he goes on the market next year and they have to pay a fortune to keep him. Or they can draft a QB, lock him up for 4 or 5 years on a rookie contract and let him learn from Johnson. Should be a no-brainer. When i think of the outstanding players that have been traded for second round picks and worse this deal makes me laugh. Technically they may not be buying a huge contract but realistically thats exactly what they are doing, unless they are willing to let Schaub walk after this season.

 

[Jason Wood]

Makes a ton of sense to me. Schaub is an ideal fit for Childress' WCO, and would be a MUCH better investment of a mid first rounder than Jay "Risk" Cutler.

 

[bostonfred]

I'm surprised that people are saying there are bandwagon Patriots fans. I live in New England, so I don't really know what it's like in the rest of the country, but it seems like on this board, there's very few bandwagon Patriots fans. It seems like the majority of people who dislike the Patriots are fans of division rivals, the Colts, Steelers, or Raiders. I don't know of anyone here who considers themselves a fan of the Patriots who didn't before.

Serious question, are there a lot of Patriots bandwagoners in the rest of the country? I honestly haven't seen it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Way too much to pay for Schaub for one season. If they dont have him nailed down to a long term contract he goes on the market next year and they have to pay a fortune to keep him. Or they can draft a QB, lock him up for 4 or 5 years on a rookie contract and let him learn from Johnson. Should be a no-brainer. When i think of the outstanding players that have been traded for second round picks and worse this deal makes me laugh. Technically they may not be buying a huge contract but realistically thats exactly what they are doing, unless they are willing to let Schaub walk after this season.

The money they'd pay Schaub next year is roughly equivalent to what they'd have to pay one of the top rookies this year.

 

[kook178]

Vikes didn't want to wait to see if Daunte's knee was gonna be OK. Impatience cost them. I didn't like the trade when it happenned and think the Fins got a steal. IIRC Vikings fans were glad they got something for him and figure he's "done".

That's not how it went down at all.It comes down to this: Brad Childress and Daunte Culpepper HATE each other. For some reason, they have for quite some time. Even BEFORE Childress was named head coach.

It has next to nothing to do with the knee and almost everything to do with personality.

I disagree because if this were the 2005 offseason we'd be saying Childress should find a way to get along with a QB that can put up those gaudy stats.

If this were the 2005 offseason, Childress wouldn't be head coach.

my point was the knee changed his value. He was so good a year ago it'd be "un heard of" to trade him away if not for a king's ransom in return

As "unheard of" as trading a top 3 WR for next to nothing??? The Vikings are not afraid to trade whomever. Obviously, sometimes it works out better than other times. But the fact remains, if C-Pepp were completely healthy, he likely still would have been traded by Childress.kook

 

[Andy Dufresne]

As "unheard of" as trading a top 3 WR for next to nothing??? The Vikings are not afraid to trade whomever. Obviously, sometimes it works out better than other times. But the fact remains, if C-Pepp were completely healthy, he likely still would have been traded by Childress.

kook

If he were completely healthy, he may have still been traded, but they'd likely have gotten more for him.

 

[kook178]

As "unheard of" as trading a top 3 WR for next to nothing???  The Vikings are not afraid to trade whomever.  Obviously, sometimes it works out better than other times.  But the fact remains, if C-Pepp were completely healthy, he likely still would have been traded by Childress.

kook

If he were completely healthy, he may have still been traded, but they'd likely have gotten more for him.

Maybe more, but combined with his salary demands, a second rounder is a fair price, healthy or not. C-Pepp is what he is: a good QB with a penchant for turnovers, off field issues and disliked by the new regime. 2d is probably fair value, even 100% healthy.kook

 

[Aaronstory]

For some reason, I get the feeling that Cutler = Boller.

No way. He is not a Tedford project. He has carried an entire team. The boy can play. He is not Boller.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

For some reason, I get the feeling that Cutler = Boller.

No way. He is not a Tedford project. He has carried an entire team. The boy can play. He is not Boller.

I hope you're right. I really don't like to see these guys fail.The sad part about doing things like mock drafts and following the leadup to the real thing is that a large, LARGE number of these prospects that all look like NFL talents are going to be average or total busts.

 

[Aaronstory]

For some reason, I get the feeling that Cutler = Boller.

No way. He is not a Tedford project. He has carried an entire team. The boy can play. He is not Boller.

I hope you're right. I really don't like to see these guys fail.The sad part about doing things like mock drafts and following the leadup to the real thing is that a large, LARGE number of these prospects that all look like NFL talents are going to be average or total busts.

Sadly, you are right.

 

[BigJim®]

If the Vikes trade more for a completely unproven bozo like Schaub than they received for a 3 time probowl QB like Culpepper...

 

[Muahahaha]

Vikes didn't want to wait to see if Daunte's knee was gonna be OK. Impatience cost them. I didn't like the trade when it happenned and think the Fins got a steal. IIRC Vikings fans were glad they got something for him and figure he's "done".

That's not how it went down at all.It comes down to this: Brad Childress and Daunte Culpepper HATE each other. For some reason, they have for quite some time. Even BEFORE Childress was named head coach.

It has next to nothing to do with the knee and almost everything to do with personality.

I disagree because if this were the 2005 offseason we'd be saying Childress should find a way to get along with a QB that can put up those gaudy stats.

If this were the 2005 offseason, Childress wouldn't be head coach.

my point was the knee changed his value. He was so good a year ago it'd be "un heard of" to trade him away if not for a king's ransom in return

As "unheard of" as trading a top 3 WR for next to nothing??? The Vikings are not afraid to trade whomever. Obviously, sometimes it works out better than other times. But the fact remains, if C-Pepp were completely healthy, he likely still would have been traded by Childress.kook

In today's NFL, with a salary cap, many times you are trading salary/cap space. That was a key ingredient of both the Moss and Culpepper trades. By trading Moss, we freed up space for a number of key free agents. I'm sick of seeing that trade dissected to Williamson + Harris. It was Williamson + Harris + Pat Williams, given the money we freed up. Daunte would have cost the Vikings $8 Million next year. If we had kept Moss, we would have had to pay him $9 Million. Would those two guys, given their injury problems, really have been worth almost 20% of the team's total salary pool? What can we get with the $17 Million they freed up? Look at it that way, not in terms of draft picks only.

 

[aposulli]

I'm surprised that people are saying there are bandwagon Patriots fans. I live in New England, so I don't really know what it's like in the rest of the country, but it seems like on this board, there's very few bandwagon Patriots fans. It seems like the majority of people who dislike the Patriots are fans of division rivals, the Colts, Steelers, or Raiders. I don't know of anyone here who considers themselves a fan of the Patriots who didn't before.

Serious question, are there a lot of Patriots bandwagoners in the rest of the country? I honestly haven't seen it.

Agree completely. I don't really know what it's like around the country, but I don't really get the feeling there are alot of bandwagoned fans. Still they're a team with almost none of the most popular players in the NFL (besides Brady)

 

[bostonfred]

I'm surprised that people are saying there are bandwagon Patriots fans.  I live in New England, so I don't really know what it's like in the rest of the country, but it seems like on this board, there's very few bandwagon Patriots fans.  It seems like the majority of people who dislike the Patriots are fans of division rivals, the Colts, Steelers, or Raiders.  I don't know of anyone here who considers themselves a fan of the Patriots who didn't before. 

Serious question, are there a lot of Patriots bandwagoners in the rest of the country?  I honestly haven't seen it.

Agree completely. I don't really know what it's like around the country, but I don't really get the feeling there are alot of bandwagoned fans. Still they're a team with almost none of the most popular players in the NFL (besides Brady)

Yeah, I think there's a lot of people that like Brady (and a lot that hate him, too). And there's a lot of people who respect the Patriots (ironically). But I don't think many people have really jumped on the bandwagon.

 

[reg]

I'm surprised that people are saying there are bandwagon Patriots fans.  I live in New England, so I don't really know what it's like in the rest of the country, but it seems like on this board, there's very few bandwagon Patriots fans.  It seems like the majority of people who dislike the Patriots are fans of division rivals, the Colts, Steelers, or Raiders.  I don't know of anyone here who considers themselves a fan of the Patriots who didn't before. 

Serious question, are there a lot of Patriots bandwagoners in the rest of the country?  I honestly haven't seen it.

Agree completely. I don't really know what it's like around the country, but I don't really get the feeling there are alot of bandwagoned fans. Still they're a team with almost none of the most popular players in the NFL (besides Brady)

I have seen more Steeler gear the past two months in MN than I have ever before. Whether those people were fans before I couldn't say, but I do know that they never displayed it as much.

 

[Hobbes]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub. How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

They both started as 3rd rounders, then move up one round for each healthy knee.

 

[mbuehner]

The money they'd pay Schaub next year is roughly equivalent to what they'd have to pay one of the top rookies this year.

Wait, huh? Schaub is one of the most highly sought after backups in the league. Yeh they can fufill his contract this year on the cheap, but then he goes on the open market next year and he will make way more than they would have to pay a mid first round QB. Mid-first rounders are getting incentive laden contracts lately (Rodgers got 7.9 million over 5 years base, Losman got something similar). Heck, Josh McCown just got 6 million for 2 years. Plus its apples to oranges because of the rookie pool.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The money they'd pay Schaub next year is roughly equivalent to what they'd have to pay one of the top rookies this year.

Wait, huh? Schaub is one of the most highly sought after backups in the league. Yeh they can fufill his contract this year on the cheap, but then he goes on the open market next year and he will make way more than they would have to pay a mid first round QB. Mid-first rounders are getting incentive laden contracts lately (Rodgers got 7.9 million over 5 years base, Losman got something similar). Heck, Josh McCown just got 6 million for 2 years. Plus its apples to oranges because of the rookie pool.

Losman and Rodgers were not "mid" first rounders. How much do you think Leinart/Cutler/Young are going to be paid?

 

[mbuehner]

Losman and Rodgers were not "mid" first rounders.

Rodgers went 24th and Losman 22nd. Minnesota drafts 17th this year, which is the premise of your argument apparently.Not to mention Rodgers was the 2nd QB off the board, that plays into his contract negotiations.

How much do you think Leinart/Cutler/Young are going to be paid?

You really think Cutler will get something more comparable to what Leinart and Young are going to get as top 5-10 picks? Keep dreaming. 17th is far closer to 22nd and 24th than to going #3 and #7 or whever those two go. What are you, Cutlers agent?

 

[John 14:6]

I'm sick of seeing that trade dissected to Williamson + Harris. It was Williamson + Harris + Pat Williams, given the money we freed up.

I may be mistaking, but I recall commentary that we were so far under the cap that we could have signed all those free agents without trading Moss...

 

[BlueOnion]

Schaub > Cutler for the Viking's purposes.

For some reason, I get the feeling that Cutler = Boller.

I get the same bad feeling about Cutler; especially since he keeps throwing his Vanderbilt teammates under the bus for being inadequate counterparts relative to Leinart and Young. (Not saying it is not true, I just don't like the way Cutler is so cavalier about it).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Losman and Rodgers were not "mid" first rounders.

Rodgers went 24th and Losman 22nd. Minnesota drafts 17th this year, which is the premise of your argument apparently.

Not to mention Rodgers was the 2nd QB off the board, that plays into his contract negotiations.

How much do you think Leinart/Cutler/Young are going to be paid?

You really think Cutler will get something more comparable to what Leinart and Young are going to get as top 5-10 picks? Keep dreaming. 17th is far closer to 22nd and 24th than to going #3 and #7 or whever those two go. What are you, Cutlers agent?

I think Cutler's going higher than you do, apparently.

 

[BlueOnion]

I'm sick of seeing that trade dissected to Williamson + Harris.  It was Williamson + Harris + Pat Williams, given the money we freed up. 

I may be mistaking, but I recall commentary that we were so far under the cap that we could have signed all those free agents without trading Moss...

Our cap space was the polar opposite of 'hair space' under Moss' helmet.

 

[datonn]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub. How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

You would think so. However, the more I think about it, the more I would be okay with a #1 for Scahub and a #2 in return for Culpepper:1. Age. Culpepper is 29, Schaub is 24 (25 in a couple of months).2. Salary. Culpepper was due a TON of money! Schaub will likely need to sign a multi-year deal for a trade to happen, but would likely come at 1/2 to 1/3 of Culpepper's price.3. Health. No one knows how Culpepper will be affected as the result of his ACL/MCL/PCL on the playing field, and the threat to take off running was always one of his greatest weapons. Schaub, to my knowledge, has no major injury issues to speak of.4. "Other". Culpepper no longer wanted to be in Minnesota, while Schaub is looking for a starting gig and presumably would welcome the move to Minnesota. All-told, I guess I would be okay with this type of move by the Vikings. Would I rather have the "2004 Culpepper" on their roster? No doubt. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that 2004 was the last season that Culpepper comes anywhere close to posting those types of numbers....unless his decision-making/patience in the pocket improve dramatically in seasons to come.

 

[mbuehner]

I think Cutler's going higher than you do, apparently.

In which case he's not going to the Vikings and this conversation is moot.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think Cutler's going higher than you do, apparently.

In which case he's not going to the Vikings and this conversation is moot.

I think now I get what you're saying though. Which option would I pick assuming Cutler's available with the #17?:a) Take Cutler and pay him #17 money for 3-5 years

b) Trade the #17 for Schaub and have to pay him big free agent money after one year

I'd take option "A". Is that what you're saying too?

 

[ArcticEdge]

If the Vikes trade more for a completely unproven bozo like Schaub than they received for a 3 time probowl QB like Culpepper...

Culpepper is a turnover machine, is coming off a major injury, and has developed an attitude..... HELLO MATT SCHAUB! I hope we get him.

 

[mbuehner]

I'd take option "A". Is that what you're saying too?

We are in agreeance. Schaub might be worth a big contract, or a first round draft pick, but certainly not both. There's a strong chance one of those 3 QBs will fall to 17, so you grab your rookie and pay him rookie money. Then spend all that FA money giving the guy weapons and a defense.

 

[DrJ]

Won't Schaub be a RFA after this season? The Vikings can tender him high and get him cheap for 2 years.

 

[bumpman]

Won't Schaub be a RFA after this season? The Vikings can tender him high and get him cheap for 2 years.

Not if they don't fix that Hutchinson/Burleson loophole.

 

[mbuehner]

Won't Schaub be a RFA after this season? The Vikings can tender him high and get him cheap for 2 years.

Ahhhhaaaa, Schaub is playing on a 3 year contract- he will be a restricted free agent. Things make a little more sense now. The Vikes can either resign him longterm, let him go and get some draft compensation (3rd round?), or tender him cheap.Lesson here: never sign a 3 year contract.

 

[Cannon Fodder]

How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

Because you're loyal and not a bandwagoner? Hi Patriots fans.

I love that! It's so true.