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Firing Chilly backfired becasue the Vikes have quit on Frazier already. Probably would have been better for Frazier for the Vikes to have kept Chilly until the end of the year and start fresh with Frazier next season. Now it appears the need a new QB and a new HC and most likely a whole new coaching staff.

The Bears and Lions are on the rise while the Pack had injury issues this year and she be back in the title hunt next season. Should be an interesting off-season in Minny.

 
Firing Chilly backfired becasue the Vikes have quit on Frazier already. Probably would have been better for Frazier for the Vikes to have kept Chilly until the end of the year and start fresh with Frazier next season. Now it appears the need a new QB and a new HC and most likely a whole new coaching staff.The Bears and Lions are on the rise while the Pack had injury issues this year and she be back in the title hunt next season. Should be an interesting off-season in Minny.
Don't forget stadium issues - the Vikes will want a new deal in place before the team hits the field again - and new pressures for relocation. The quarterback play killed them this year, Rosenfels would have been better than all of the way it turned out.
 
They are at an interesting time.

They went "all in" with Favre for the last 2 years and neglected finding a true QB to take over. I don't think Webb is the answer.

Meanwhile McKinnie has not improved, Sullivan has issues at C, and Hutchinson is getting older.

Defensively you have the Williams boys still and Allen...but Pat was thinking of retirement so even now that he said he will play next year, he won't be around long. The secondary seems pretty weak too. But I do like their LBs.

Seems they are in rebuild mode (not good for AP...he will still get his numbers, but some of his better years may be wasted rebuilding that team).

 
Im pretty sure they have big contract isssues as well . . . last night had the feel of a team on the way down. Any chance they leave MN?

 
Firing Chilly backfired becasue the Vikes have quit on Frazier already. Probably would have been better for Frazier for the Vikes to have kept Chilly until the end of the year and start fresh with Frazier next season. Now it appears the need a new QB and a new HC and most likely a whole new coaching staff.The Bears and Lions are on the rise while the Pack had injury issues this year and she be back in the title hunt next season. Should be an interesting off-season in Minny.
Thanks for the speculation.Happy Holidays!
 
Time to blow it up and start over.

The team needs replacements for just about everyone

The only people that are turnover proof are Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, Chad Greenway, Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice, and Adrian Peterson. Everyone else is either at the end of their careers or just not as good as they should for the position.

 
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Here's a quick breakdown. It adds up to frustrating years ahead for Vikings fans:

Quarterback

Obviously a disaster. With Favre retiring and Jackson likely leaving via free agency, you’re left with a converted QB to WR to QB at the top of your depth chart.

Running back

AP is the best in the game but is injury prone (yeah, I said it). Gerhart looks every bit the limited white guy running back.

Wide receiver

I love the guy but, how can you count on Percy Harvin? Can Rice come back all the way from injury? If so you’ve got something there. But Camarillo is nothing but a role player and Berrian was the worst FA signing in Vikes history

Tight end

Shiancoe is all right but Kleinsasser is just an extra lineman and at the end of his career.

Offensive line

McKinnie is still my least favorite Viking and has, once again, regressed this year. Hutchinson is nearing the end. The center play has killed them again this year and they started a 5th round rookie at the other guard spot for a big chunk of the year. Loadholt is an okay right tackle. The depth is terrible.

Defensive line

Allen and Kevin Williams are studs. Ray Edwards will likely leave in free agency. The depth is okay.

Linebackers

Greenway’s a stud. E.J.’s comeback was miraculous, but his play wasn’t as great as it seems. Leber’s play seems to have fallen off.

Secondary

The main problem for the Vikes the last three years was completely ruined by injury and exposed by opponents. Winfield can’t play forever and Griffin will be coming off his second reconstructive surgery. Chris Cook is a walking injury – just like he was in college. The depth is abysmal as is the play they’ve gotten from their safeties.

Coaching staff

Not a believer in Leslie Frazier as a head coach. There’s a reason he’s been turned down by so many teams after interviewing – and it’s not about race. Bevell still is and always has been out of his league as an offensive coordinator.

 
Saying the team quit on Frazier is a guess, and on its face is not smart. The team was bad all year, and Chilly sucks but it takes more than a head coach switch midseason to turn things around. Interim coaches don't usually win out. Firing Chilly doesn't stop the Vikings from hiring a new coach or make front office changes if that's the direction they want to go in.

I largely agree with Dufresne's analysis, (although I'll :confused: @ tagging Peterson with injury prone. Might as well talk about all the fumbles he had this year. Oh, right.) QB, O-line, secondary, run D, there are problems everywhere, even WR w/ the injuries and questions that Percy's migraines give.

I'd prefer not to keep Frazier and start over. I don't think the Vikes are that far off from being relevent again, if the Bears can win the division after the way they played last year and having little impact from the draft, then it's not imposible for the Vikes to correct the course. Of course, I'd prefer it if they didn't go the route in FA that the Bears did.

On the whole, this has been a disastrous season and a tremendous disappointment from the way things turned out last year.

 
I largely agree with Dufresne's analysis, (although I'll :lmao: @ tagging Peterson with injury prone. Might as well talk about all the fumbles he had this year. Oh, right.)
He's gotten hurt every single year and it's affected his performance. He's still the top guy at the position in the game, but there's no denying his style lends itself to injury and his career isn't going to be a long one.I'd even go so far to say that if it would get you a chance at drafting Andrew Luck, you might consider trading him. Sacrilege, I know. But a franchise QB is worth far more than a franchise QB. But the discussion topic is irrelevant since there's no way they'd do it.
 
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Firing Chilly backfired becasue the Vikes have quit on Frazier already. Probably would have been better for Frazier for the Vikes to have kept Chilly until the end of the year and start fresh with Frazier next season. Now it appears the need a new QB and a new HC and most likely a whole new coaching staff.The Bears and Lions are on the rise while the Pack had injury issues this year and she be back in the title hunt next season. Should be an interesting off-season in Minny.
Thanks for the speculation.Happy Holidays!
:lmao: Poor fishing attempt by Da Guru.
 
I think they still have some core pieces but need to address the line first and foremost. I would actually reload for one MORE year and go out and get McNabb. That division is up for grabs year in and year out. This was a worst case scenario year with the injuries

 
I think they still have some core pieces but need to address the line first and foremost. I would actually reload for one MORE year and go out and get McNabb. That division is up for grabs year in and year out. This was a worst case scenario year with the injuries
That's an idea. With a high draft pick this year and hopefully the retention of Spielman, drafting a franchise QB to sit behind McNabb for a year wouldn't be the worst way to approach stabilizing the franchise.
 
Other than McNabb, what choice do they have at QB. The Eagles will franchise Vick and there's not many guys available for trade that won't cost more than they're worth.

Plus, the idea of taking another two years of APs career to break in a rookie quarterback is saddening.

 
Wide receiver

I love the guy but, how can you count on Percy Harvin? Can Rice come back all the way from injury? If so you’ve got something there. But Camarillo is nothing but a role player and Berrian was the second worst FA signing in Vikes history
Madieu Williams has to be #1 worst.Otherwise pretty much agree with everything except the injury prone bit on Peterson.

 
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Ziggy: Quarterbacks? Quarterbacks?! We don't need no stinking Quarterbacks!

The real travesty is with the Vikes going into rebuilding mode with a new qb...it's going to be a few years before they come back. What a waste of AP's talents. Barry Sanders anyone?

 
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Here's a quick breakdown. It adds up to frustrating years ahead for Vikings fans:

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Running back

AP is the best in the game but is injury prone (yeah, I said it). Gerhart looks every bit the limited white guy running back.

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It's a little early to make that call, isn't it?He looked pretty good last night with Favre in there and even with Webb (how bad was that? Real bad.) in there he managed to pull out a decent line, very much like Peterson's stat lines in a few other games where the Vikes got beat. He's no bellcow but he would be a pretty nice fit in a place like New Orleans or Pittsburgh.

 
Firing Chilly backfired becasue the Vikes have quit on Frazier already. Probably would have been better for Frazier for the Vikes to have kept Chilly until the end of the year and start fresh with Frazier next season. Now it appears the need a new QB and a new HC and most likely a whole new coaching staff.

The Bears and Lions are on the rise while the Pack had injury issues this year and she be back in the title hunt next season. Should be an interesting off-season in Minny.
I dont know if they have quit on Frazier or not but Favre playing last night was ridiculous. He hadnt practiced all week and and ruled himself out. The gameplan (if you can call it that, horrible play-calling with Webb in there) was set all for Webb all week. Then you let this guy just roll out of bed and start the game? Crazy. I wouldn't bring him back for that reason alone.
 
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Adp, meet Steven Jackson.
What's this, the "Walter Payton Award" for a franchise RB that wastes away on perennially bad teams?I don't think Frazier was going to be anything more than a bridge to the end of this season anyway. They just had to get rid of Chilly.Forget McNabb... it would be more of the same.
 
Firing Chilly backfired becasue the Vikes have quit on Frazier already. Probably would have been better for Frazier for the Vikes to have kept Chilly until the end of the year and start fresh with Frazier next season. Now it appears the need a new QB and a new HC and most likely a whole new coaching staff.

The Bears and Lions are on the rise while the Pack had injury issues this year and she be back in the title hunt next season. Should be an interesting off-season in Minny.
I dont know if they have quit on Frazier or not but Favre playing last night was ridiculous. He hadnt practiced all week and and ruled himself out. The gameplan (if you can call it that, horrible play-calling with Webb in there) was set all for Webb all week. Then you let this guy just roll out of bed and start the game? Crazy. I wouldn't bring him back for that reason alone.
Actually I thought they were playing a damn sight better with Favre in there. Watching Webb flounder I totally got why Favre pulled himself together and why they figured WTH let the NFL's Willis Reed take a shot.They may bring in Ramsey to start this week, I see little difference (actually, somewhat worse) vs Favre popping out of the ICU and dressing out all of a sudden.

The only I didn't get is why Favre after 22 or however many years still didn't have the sense to throw the ball away or dump it off rather than take a sack under those conditions.

 
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Adp, meet Steven Jackson.
What's this, the "Walter Payton Award" for a franchise RB that wastes away on perennially bad teams?I don't think Frazier was going to be anything more than a bridge to the end of this season anyway. They just had to get rid of Chilly.Forget McNabb... it would be more of the same.
The problem is that Minny was set up to win this year. Farve hung on one year too long. McNabb? Don`t think McNabb will sign for anything less than a 3-4 year deal with big money up front.With ADP, Rice, Berrien and Shincoe they have solid pieces..Harvin is explosive but can`t be counted on.The QB and coaching staff will be huge this off-season.
 
Time to blow it up and start over.The team needs replacements for just about everyone The only people that are turnover proof are Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, Chad Greenway, Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice, and Adrian Peterson. Everyone else is either at the end of their careers or just not as good as they should for the position.
I do agree next year is a rebuilding year, but not a "blow them up" year..Our LB's are some of the best in the league..Henderson is one year removed from a horrific leg injury and played great this year and Leber is not to shabby.As much as I liked calling him "Load of crap" he has actually improved throughout the year. Mckinnie and his contract do need to go.Shaincoe can stay, just needs to be used more in the passing game.Winfield at Safety is a nice fit.I'd say free agents should be OL, CB and possibly DL.Draft a QB and add depth for the other areas. :football:
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Here's a quick breakdown. It adds up to frustrating years ahead for Vikings fans:

Quarterback

Obviously a disaster. With Favre retiring and Jackson likely leaving via free agency, you’re left with a converted QB to WR to QB at the top of your depth chart.

Running back

AP is the best in the game but is injury prone (yeah, I said it). Gerhart looks every bit the limited white guy running back.

Wide receiver

I love the guy but, how can you count on Percy Harvin? Can Rice come back all the way from injury? If so you’ve got something there. But Camarillo is nothing but a role player and Berrian was the worst FA signing in Vikes history

Tight end

Shiancoe is all right but Kleinsasser is just an extra lineman and at the end of his career.

Offensive line

McKinnie is still my least favorite Viking and has, once again, regressed this year. Hutchinson is nearing the end. The center play has killed them again this year and they started a 5th round rookie at the other guard spot for a big chunk of the year. Loadholt is an okay right tackle. The depth is terrible.

Defensive line

Allen and Kevin Williams are studs. Ray Edwards will likely leave in free agency. The depth is okay.

Linebackers

Greenway’s a stud. E.J.’s comeback was miraculous, but his play wasn’t as great as it seems. Leber’s play seems to have fallen off.

Secondary

The main problem for the Vikes the last three years was completely ruined by injury and exposed by opponents. Winfield can’t play forever and Griffin will be coming off his second reconstructive surgery. Chris Cook is a walking injury – just like he was in college. The depth is abysmal as is the play they’ve gotten from their safeties.

Coaching staff

Not a believer in Leslie Frazier as a head coach. There’s a reason he’s been turned down by so many teams after interviewing – and it’s not about race. Bevell still is and always has been out of his league as an offensive coordinator.
My $0.02 as a "local" who has bled purple since the 1970s:QB - Obviously, a trainwreck. We won too many games this year to likely get a "franchise" QB out of the deal, and outside of Philadelphia possibly moving Kolb, it appears that our only options for getting a "franchise" QB will be more of the same (delaying the inevitable need to get a young QB we can ride).

RB - AP injury prone? Nah. And Gerhart has looked pretty darned good IMHO for a guy that got into mini-camps and what-not late (classes/graduation at Stanford). Young is also a fine RB3. Not starting material, but probably as good as what Green Bay has been rolling out there after Ryan Grant went down.

WR - Rice and Harvin will make for a formidable duo in the future, if they can get Rice to re-sign. If Rice leaves? Lots more eight-in-the-box for ADP for the next few seasons.

TE - Shiancoe is fine/solid, but I'd really like them to go out and get another young playmaker who can help stretch the field. ESPECIALLY if they cannot re-sign Rice.

Offensive Line - The position I'm worried about being a :trainwreck: even more than QB! If you think that QB has been neglected the past few years, just look at how the team HASN'T really taken care of its depth/talent at offensive line since the Hutchinson signing. Loadholt is gonna start for them for a while, and Sullivan might come around if he can ever learn to snap the darned ball in shotgun! Other than that? It gets even more scary.

Defensive Line - I actually think Robison will be a nice replacement for Edwards in 2011 (after Edwards probably signs elsewhere). Edwards is a talent that will be hard to replace, but Robison has a nice motor and seemed to turn it up a notch in 2010. I'm more worried about getting more push after the snap at Pat Williams' spot if he retires or signs elsewhere.

Linebacker - Other than having a serious baller/playmaker at safety, the Vikings defense needs another playmaker at linebacker. Greenway is excellent IMHO, and Henderson's return from that horrific leg injury is amazing! That said, they need another "Greenway" (but even better than Greenway) who can cover sideline to sideline and is a ball-hawk...always making the tackle or being right around the pile when making tackles.

Secondary - See Linebacker. ;) Seriously though, add Griffin back to the mix at CB and get a top 5-10 safety inserted into that secondary, and I think the defense instantly becomes a lot stronger. More of a pass rush in 2010 would have helped protect their lack of depth this year, but injuries to the secondary AND an off-year related to a pass rush really did the Vikings in this season.

Coaching Staff - I have mixed feelings about Frazier. I don't see a lot of better options out there...or at least better options who will want to come to Minnesota. I think the Vikings could do a lot worse than Frazier...but I agree he's probably not the long-term solution.

 
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I could see Orton being traded from Denver depending on the next couple of games with Tebow. Orton knows the NFC central and has proven he can throw a good ball in the pass game and can win games like he did in Chicago, not afraid of the weather. Plus he wouldn't be very expensive, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Denver is in full out rebuild, they will want picks and will want to run with Tebow during a rebuild. Should be good news for a Minny team or maybe even Arizona. Orton should be available and he is still under 30, he should fill their needs.

 
snogger said:
thriftyrocker said:
Other than McNabb, what choice do they have at QB.
Palmer - NO! Can't read defense's at all!Vince Young - NO! don't need another cancer!

Hasselbeck - End of the road, don't need another Retread

Bulger - See Hasselbeck.
Have this VERY ;) feeling McNabb is going to be the 2011 Starting QB..
McNabb was always over-rated, a good but never great Q.B. His completion % belongs in another age of football. Given he has been in Andy Reed's system and has stability at Head Coach and Coordinator until this year his numbers are even worse than they appear at first blush. Now he is also aging. Vikings grap at this straw with at least as much perile as they did the Favre straw this year.

 
I could see Orton being traded from Denver depending on the next couple of games with Tebow. Orton knows the NFC central and has proven he can throw a good ball in the pass game and can win games like he did in Chicago, not afraid of the weather. Plus he wouldn't be very expensive, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Denver is in full out rebuild, they will want picks and will want to run with Tebow during a rebuild. Should be good news for a Minny team or maybe even Arizona. Orton should be available and he is still under 30, he should fill their needs.
I agree he would be a value at a 3rd rounder. I think he would be a better fit than McNabb. As a Packer fan I hope the Vikings get McNabb.
 
Won't Kolb be available?? there is no way the eagles keep both. Kolb is being paid way too much oney to be a #2. I would think he would be a good fit as a Viking

 
Sudsy said:
s&m said:
I could see Orton being traded from Denver depending on the next couple of games with Tebow. Orton knows the NFC central and has proven he can throw a good ball in the pass game and can win games like he did in Chicago, not afraid of the weather. Plus he wouldn't be very expensive, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Denver is in full out rebuild, they will want picks and will want to run with Tebow during a rebuild. Should be good news for a Minny team or maybe even Arizona. Orton should be available and he is still under 30, he should fill their needs.
I agree he would be a value at a 3rd rounder. I think he would be a better fit than McNabb. As a Packer fan I hope the Vikings get McNabb.
FYI...Vikings don't have a 3rd round draft choice:
The Vikings will send a third-round 2011 draft pick to the Patriots in return for Moss
:lmao:
 
Sudsy said:
s&m said:
I could see Orton being traded from Denver depending on the next couple of games with Tebow. Orton knows the NFC central and has proven he can throw a good ball in the pass game and can win games like he did in Chicago, not afraid of the weather. Plus he wouldn't be very expensive, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Denver is in full out rebuild, they will want picks and will want to run with Tebow during a rebuild. Should be good news for a Minny team or maybe even Arizona. Orton should be available and he is still under 30, he should fill their needs.
I agree he would be a value at a 3rd rounder. I think he would be a better fit than McNabb. As a Packer fan I hope the Vikings get McNabb.
FYI...Vikings don't have a 3rd round draft choice:
The Vikings will send a third-round 2011 draft pick to the Patriots in return for Moss
:lmao:
I'd forgotten that. I'm sure that if they are willing and motivated trade partners something could still be worked out.
 
riggidy said:
Won't Kolb be available?? there is no way the eagles keep both. Kolb is being paid way too much oney to be a #2. I would think he would be a good fit as a Viking
Kolb got a big bonus when he resigned, but his base salary for 2011 is actually fairly low. More than most backups, but not "expensive". Philly likely keeps both Kolb and Vick going into next year unless somebody overpays for one of them.
 
There are some eerie similarities between the Redskins and Vikings this year- I'm not sure McNabb will do any better here than he did in Washington. I think they should just take their lumps for a year with someone who can grow into the position rather than try another 1-2 year journeyman. Maybe get Newton in the draft then round things out in the O-line and secondary?

 
I don't think Minny has a whole lot to attract top FA QB. McNabb will probably choose SF, Ariz even Carolina over Minny. They also, don't have enough depth or draft picks to trade for a QB. They are most likely going to end up with a Matt Moore or Alex Smith type QB. I think T. Thigpen is best they could hope for.

 
Metrodome needing 9 new panels...and I think I found the problem here...

Per the report, fabrication of the new panels is scheduled to commence today at a plant in Tijuana, Mexico. A report is expected today regarding the timeline for the repairs.
Never knew TJ was a hot spot for dome roof panels.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ine-new-panels/
So it's settled- the team and stadium are moving to Mexico City. The Mexico City Vaqueros.
 
Won't Kolb be available?? there is no way the eagles keep both. Kolb is being paid way too much oney to be a #2. I would think he would be a good fit as a Viking
Actually, no. Kolb received the vast majority of his money as a signing bonus prior to this season. He only costs like $1 million for 2011. The Eagles will trade him if they get a very good offer, but money will not force them to trade him.
 
As a Lion fan we have to like the Frazier hire.

Sitting three rows behind the Vikings bench yesterday was quite telling. Frazier was very emotionless as were the players. Did not look like he was auditioning to be the HC at all, nor did the players look like they were playing hard for him. I was expecting much more from the coach and the players. Usually when a team wants to keep a guy they are laying it on the line, the Vikings were just going through the motions as was Frazier.

 
like I said in the other thread, hire Favre as coach

whether or not it works, it'll sell tickets and stir up huge interest in the team and make the Vikes some $

 
As a Lion fan we have to like the Frazier hire. Sitting three rows behind the Vikings bench yesterday was quite telling. Frazier was very emotionless as were the players. Did not look like he was auditioning to be the HC at all, nor did the players look like they were playing hard for him. I was expecting much more from the coach and the players. Usually when a team wants to keep a guy they are laying it on the line, the Vikings were just going through the motions as was Frazier.
The disturbing thing about Frazier to me was that even he didn't stand up to Favre's wishy-washy crap. That should have ended with Childress. If you're a coach planning for the future, you assess what you have and make it a priority to be looking to the future. Waffling about Favre and saying 'he'll start if he feels like he can' is what got them into their disappointing season to begin with, and their commitment to Frazier doesn't suggest they learned from this year's mistakes.(edit to add) However, with the stadium uncertainty and the league status going into next year, they may just be prolonging the 'interim' status since it was unlikely they would be able to market themselves for a high-interest coach right now anyway. I hope that's how they are approaching this.
 
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