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**SNF Vikings at Lions** (-3, 56) 8:20 (1 Viewer)
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mr roboto
Footballguy
I believe in you!And I want to win the lotto and never wear pants again.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Now imagine having that for 30 years and believing the NFC North Champions title was an inalienable right given to you at birth.
The Vikings are good. As are the Packers.
Vikings beat:
San Fran in week 2
Houston
GB
Lost to Lions by 2
Arizona
Atlanta
Seattle
GB
Packers beat:
Lost by 5 to PHilly
Rams
Arizona
Houston
Miami
Seattle
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
None of those are really good wins. Rams? Houston? Seattle? None of those teams even belong in the playoffs. SF was sort of healthier in week 2 — but even that win came with CMC sitting out.
Neither team has a single win against a true Super Bowl contender. Minnesota’s best win? Beating Green Bay.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
By this logic the Lions aren’t good either. They haven’t beaten a Super Bowl contender. Best wins are over Minnesota who isn’t that good.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Who knows? Maybe. The Lions are also putting up historically great advanced stats (which Bobby Layne shares in various threads) and blowing out a bunch of teams. I haven’t seen the same for Minnesota.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Packer's "aren't good" because they went 1-5 verus the NFC North, but they went 10-1 versus the rest of the NFL.
The Vikings "aren't great" but they went 14-1 when not playing Detroit.
Detroit won more games in a single regular season than all but 8 other NFL teams (105 years.) The most wins by a team of the four years of the 17-game era.
I know....we could settle these arguments in a single elimination tournament to determine who is the best team.
Who do you consider a really good team so we can dissect them?
Philly? They lost to Tampa, Atlanta and Washington
KC - Please. They barely scraped by half their games
Buffalo? They lost to the Rams and Houston who you just said weren't good.
Baltimore? They lost to Vegas and Cleveland
So who is better than Detroit and the Vikings? They lost 5 games COMBINED.
Same as Balitmore
One more loss than Buffalo
Two more than Philly
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions outscored their opponents by 222; that is 62 points more than the 2nd most team point differential, but on a historical basis, only 25th. On a PPG, I'm guessing they'd be pretty far down the list. They set several franchise records related to offense and scoring which were NFL Top 5 all-time, but lots of teams have had a larger PD.
They are the first team to win three games by 38 points or more in a season, but not sure what that proves other than they are capable of scoring efficiently. One game they scored 52 and won by 38 whilst passing for 85 yards and being outgained nearly 2:1, but turnovers and insanely good kick returns resulted in several short fields for Detroit that day.
| RANK | TEAM | NAME | DIFF | SEASON | GP | W | L | T | TD | PTS | PPG | OPP PTS | OPP PPG | 1st DWN | 3rd DWN% | 4th DWN % | POSTSEASON |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | New England | Patriots | 315 | 2007 | 16 | 16 | 0 | 0 | 75 | 589 | 36.8 | 274 | 17.1 | 393 | 48.2 | 71.4 | 18-1 lost SB XLII |
| 2 | Chicago | Bears | 292 | 1942 | 11 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 53 | 376 | 34.2 | 84 | 7.6 | 155 | 11-1 lost NFLCG | ||
| 3 | St Louis | Rams | 284 | 1999 | 16 | 13 | 3 | 0 | 66 | 526 | 32.9 | 242 | 15.1 | 335 | 46.9 | 62.5 | 16-3 won SB XXXIV |
| 4 | Houston | Oilers | 271 | 1961 | 14 | 10 | 3 | 1 | 66 | 513 | 36.6 | 242 | 17.3 | 293 | 11-3-1 won AFLCG | ||
| 5 | Green Bay | Packers | 267 | 1962 | 14 | 13 | 1 | 0 | 53 | 415 | 29.6 | 148 | 10.6 | 281 | 14-1 won NFLCG | ||
| 6 | Washington | Redskins | 261 | 1991 | 16 | 14 | 2 | 0 | 56 | 485 | 30.3 | 224 | 14.0 | 302 | 50.5 | 57.1 | 17-2 won SB XXXVI |
| 7 | Minnesota | Vikings | 260 | 1998 | 16 | 15 | 1 | 0 | 64 | 556 | 34.8 | 296 | 18.5 | 335 | 51.4 | 100.0 | 16-2 lost NFCCG |
| 8 | Chicago | Bears | 258 | 1985 | 16 | 15 | 1 | 0 | 51 | 456 | 28.5 | 198 | 12.4 | 343 | 18-1 won SB XX | ||
| 9 | Baltimore | Colts | 258 | 1968 | 14 | 13 | 1 | 0 | 50 | 402 | 28.7 | 144 | 10.3 | 258 | 15-2 lost SB III | ||
| 10 | Baltimore | Ravens | 249 | 2019 | 16 | 14 | 2 | 0 | 64 | 531 | 33.2 | 282 | 17.6 | 386 | 47.1 | 70.8 | 14-3 lost divisional |
| 11 | Chicago | Bears | 249 | 1941 | 11 | 10 | 1 | 0 | 56 | 396 | 36.0 | 147 | 13.4 | 181 | 12-1 won NFLCG | ||
| 12 | San Francisco | 49ers | 248 | 1984 | 16 | 15 | 1 | 0 | 57 | 475 | 29.7 | 227 | 14.2 | 356 | 18-1 won SB XIX | ||
| 13 | Green Bay | Packers | 246 | 1996 | 16 | 13 | 3 | 0 | 56 | 456 | 28.5 | 210 | 13.1 | 338 | 44.3 | 45.5 | 16-3 won SB XXXI |
| 14 | Minnesota | Vikings | 246 | 1969 | 14 | 12 | 2 | 0 | 43 | 379 | 27.1 | 133 | 9.5 | 239 | 14-3 lost SB IV | ||
| 15 | Dallas | Cowboys | 245 | 1968 | 14 | 12 | 2 | 0 | 54 | 431 | 30.8 | 186 | 13.3 | 297 | 12-3 lost ECCG | ||
| 16 | Oakland | Raiders | 235 | 1967 | 14 | 13 | 1 | 0 | 58 | 468 | 33.4 | 233 | 16.6 | 250 | 14-2 lost SB II | ||
| 17 | St Louis | Rams | 230 | 2001 | 16 | 14 | 2 | 0 | 62 | 503 | 31.4 | 273 | 17.1 | 357 | 50.0 | 72.7 | 16-3 lost SB XXXVI |
| 18 | Philadelphia | Eagles | 230 | 1949 | 12 | 11 | 1 | 0 | 48 | 364 | 30.3 | 134 | 11.2 | 243 | 12-1 won NFLCG | ||
| 19 | Canton | Bulldogs | 227 | 1923 | 12 | 11 | 0 | 1 | 32 | 246 | 20.5 | 19 | 1.6 | 11-0-1 1st NFL | |||
| 20 | New England | Patriots | 226 | 2012 | 16 | 12 | 4 | 0 | 67 | 557 | 34.8 | 331 | 20.7 | 444 | 48.7 | 66.7 | 13-5 lost AFCCG |
| 21 | New York | Giants | 226 | 1929 | 15 | 13 | 1 | 1 | 47 | 312 | 20.8 | 86 | 5.7 | 13-1-1 2nd NFL | |||
| 22 | Buffalo | All-Americans | 226 | 1920 | 11 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 258 | 23.5 | 32 | 2.9 | 9-1-1 3rd AFPA | ||||
| 23 | Pottsville | Maroons | 225 | 1925 | 12 | 10 | 2 | 0 | 38 | 270 | 22.5 | 45 | 3.8 | 10-2 2nd NFL | |||
| 24 | Chicago | Bears | 224 | 1948 | 12 | 10 | 2 | 0 | 53 | 375 | 31.3 | 151 | 12.6 | 242 | 10-2 2nd Western | ||
| 25 | Detroit | Lions | 222 | 2024 | 17 | 15 | 2 | 0 | 70 | 564 | 33.2 | 342 | 20.1 | 410 | 47.6 | 66.7 | 15-2 NFC North |
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
The Lions and the Vikings are terrible and other 30 teams are worse. Everyone knows the Super Bowl should be North Crowley versus Milton and it's not even close.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Amon-Ra will not be pleased when he hears about this Mater Dei erasure
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Line appears to be MIN +1
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Also worth mentioning, SoCal is on fire right now.
Could this game get moved?
Could this game get moved?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
While I've got you here....any thoughts on pick #11?
Welcome to the Game 272 of the regular season thread.
It's OK, easy to get confused around here - last week we were pinning team threads.
Scroll down and look for something about Wildcard MNF.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Not that it matters much, but the 3 books I use have Min -1 and -1.5
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yup. Both MN and GB sure are good.
You act as though the teams they lost to suck.
The Rams are good. Beat the Bills. Took the Lions to the brink of OT opening week.
Darnold played lights out all year up until it mattered.
GB was beat up going into the game and lost several key players throughout the game.
All of the Vikes losses are to teams in the NFC final four. All of GB's losses are to teams in the final four and Minny. They are good teams but maybe not elite teams. Injuries for the Packers and Darnold turning into a pumpkin were their downfalls. Doesn't take away from them being quality teams.
