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Vikings release WR Koren Robinson (1 Viewer)
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Robinson’s arrest means he could face legal trouble in the state of Washington — where he already was on probation — as well as in Nicollet County. He also could be looking at a yearlong suspension for violating the NFL’s substance-abuse policy. That is because Robinson already is a “Stage 3” member of the league’s substance-abuse policy.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Is therea direct link,...I would like to read the article?
Williamson looked very good last night and Travis Taylor looked awful. However, I'd curtail all high hopes for Vikes players as their offense will be all about ball control and not losing the game (as opposed to going for big plays to win it). I'd take Williamson as a WR3, but would feel very shaky with him as my WR2.
Facecow
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Are the Vikes making room for Branch?
I have to say that the Vikings are a disgrace for realeasing him after they believed in him in the off season and signed him to a multiyear deal. Way to turn your back on someone when they need you the most. I will not be surprised if KRob spins even further out of control at this point.
Is KRob innocent of his situation...absolutely not. However he needs help and this will not help him. I know some of you will say how the stodgy white collar companies you work for would fire you if you did the same thing...well I have known lots of co workers who have gotten DUIs and were not fired...it happens.
Yes Krob should be held accountable but the league needs to make room for people in the league by allowing teams to place players on a substance abuse spots that doesn't burn a roster spot but keeps the player off the field, away from the team, but has access to the NFL swat team of physicians, clinics, psychologists, and whatever else they need to pull thru the situation. Maybe the NFL made his drinking habit far worse and maybe the NFL needs to share in the responsibility of his outcome.
I hated the way Ohio State turned their back on MC when he was down and out...and really they are just as dirty as he was and MC became the scapegoat for OSU, that's the truth.
Very angry about the whole situation and I understand most of you are looking at it in FF terms, that's fine, but there is a human side to this story and it seems to be glossed over quickly. I do hope he gets the help he needs and we do not see him further worsen, or be a danger to his immediate family as well.
I have to say that the Vikings are a disgrace for realeasing him after they believed in him in the off season and signed him to a multiyear deal. Way to turn your back on someone when they need you the most. I will not be surprised if KRob spins even further out of control at this point.
Is KRob innocent of his situation...absolutely not. However he needs help and this will not help him. I know some of you will say how the stodgy white collar companies you work for would fire you if you did the same thing...well I have known lots of co workers who have gotten DUIs and were not fired...it happens.
Yes Krob should be held accountable but the league needs to make room for people in the league by allowing teams to place players on a substance abuse spots that doesn't burn a roster spot but keeps the player off the field, away from the team, but has access to the NFL swat team of physicians, clinics, psychologists, and whatever else they need to pull thru the situation. Maybe the NFL made his drinking habit far worse and maybe the NFL needs to share in the responsibility of his outcome.
I hated the way Ohio State turned their back on MC when he was down and out...and really they are just as dirty as he was and MC became the scapegoat for OSU, that's the truth.
Very angry about the whole situation and I understand most of you are looking at it in FF terms, that's fine, but there is a human side to this story and it seems to be glossed over quickly. I do hope he gets the help he needs and we do not see him further worsen, or be a danger to his immediate family as well.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
If Williamson can average 4 catches a game over the season which I think he can he will put up steady Wr 2 type numbers in this offense. With the upside to break off a big play every time he gets the ball. This guy is really fast.
He is still working on getting off the jam consistently and needs to work on his patterns but I believe Childress and Brad Johnson will really help Williamson emerge and get better adding new wrinkles every week.
How Williamson handles double teams still remains to be seen. He may struggle at times because of this and BJ will not force the ball to him if he is covered.
He is still working on getting off the jam consistently and needs to work on his patterns but I believe Childress and Brad Johnson will really help Williamson emerge and get better adding new wrinkles every week.
How Williamson handles double teams still remains to be seen. He may struggle at times because of this and BJ will not force the ball to him if he is covered.
Facecow
Footballguy
Weren't the Vikings the very team that gave Koren his second chance? It's unfortunate that his addiction has cost him loads of money but to think that the ultra-competitive NFL and the Vikings in general should serve as some sort of "father figure" to Koren is unfair.He's a grown man and has been aware of his short comings. Maybe IBM would put him treatment and hold his hand to tell him it's OK but in the NFL there are players just chomping at the bit to have his position and are ready to work NOW as opposed to when Koren gets around to healing himself.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Oh please.
Koren Robinson is a grown man with enough money that he should be set for life. What is the team supposed to do? Coddle this drunk? BTW those employers who keep thier INCOMPITENT employees just to help them out are not doing us as a society any favors imho. That is just enabling the person to not have any need or reason to change. While at the same time depriving a person more responsible and compitent of the opportunity to work there.Cry me a river.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's a good point, and that's one way to look at it.But they invested little to nothing last season and KRob made the Pro Bowl...they thought they basically found lightning in a bottle and resigned him...things got sticky and they part ways with him. I just would like to see the NFL get a better place/situation for this sort of behavior and not penalize the team...if you have a PUP list, why not expand that to players with substance abuse problems?
ratpfink
This looks like a job for You-Know and Who!
I have to say that Koren is a disgrace for letting down the Vikings after they believed in him in the off season. Way to turn your back on the team when they need you the most.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You can roll your eyes, and act like you have never have touched a drug of any kind in your life, that's cool. Most people have been affected by someone who has a substance abuse problem...be it alcohol, heroin, cocaine, whatever...and to just blow people off because you have a little stronger will to not do drugs doesn't make you a better person. People who say "That person is wealthy so they shouldn't have any problems"...obviously have never had 2 nickels to rub together because money does not buy happiness...it really doesn't.Money makes good people better and bad people worse. Anyone ever tell you that? Nice Justin Timberlake quoteOh please.
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DeCleater
Footballguy
How many chances do you get?"I have to say that the Vikings are a disgrace for realeasing him" The Vikings are a disgrace! How about Koren Robinson is a disgrace! The Vikings didn't force him to drink and drive. Try a little personal responsibility for once in your life Koren."Maybe the NFL made his drinking habit far worse and maybe the NFL needs to share in the responsibility of his outcome."Who's your enabler these days, my give a dam's busted.If his life spirals out of control who's fault is that, the NFL's. Give me a break.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He absolutely is a disgrace, I don't think anyone is defending his actions. If you think I am then I didn't explain myself very well.I have to say that Koren is a disgrace for letting down the Vikings after they believed in him in the off season. Way to turn your back on the team when they need you the most.
DeCleater
Footballguy
The NFL put this guy through the best rehab money can buy, twice I think. At some point you have take responsibility for yourself.You can roll your eyes, and act like you have never have touched a drug of any kind in your life, that's cool. Most people have been affected by someone who has a substance abuse problem...be it alcohol, heroin, cocaine, whatever...and to just blow people off because you have a little stronger will to not do drugs doesn't make you a better person. People who say "That person is wealthy so they shouldn't have any problems"...obviously have never had 2 nickels to rub together because money does not buy happiness...it really doesn't.Money makes good people better and bad people worse. Anyone ever tell you that? Nice Justin Timberlake quoteOh please.
it could've been so beautiful
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
OK, let me try something different. I'll pick on my college, UMiami. Back in the late 80's early 90s the players were allowed to run wild...whatever they wanted to do they did. ND vs Miami wasn't called the Catholics vs the Convicts for no reason. Now the players were personally responsible for their actions and god knows there were a ton of fouls committed on and off the field with that program.But what finally happened? The NCAA came down on Miami like a bag of bricks and Miami went spiraling into obscurity for a couple of years...till Butch Davis arrived thank god. My point is that while people need to be held accountable, we also need to not cast people down to hell and judge them based on the fact they have a chemical dependency. It's not like the guy murdered anyone, he didn't steal, he wasn't a rapist...he's a drunk...a bad one too. And now we want to make ourselves feel superior to him by judging him and throwing him away. I just don't think we should pat ourselves, the Vikes, or the NFL on the back like we are all high and mighty when what this guy needs right now is help. I understand a lot of you hate KRob and think he's a total loser...all that is well and good...but I hope that none of you have to deal with a friend or family member who suffers from alcoholism because the way you all are coming across, it sure doesn't show a recipe for success.
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GreatAmericanFF
Footballguy
I have heard that Jermaine Wiggins productivity could benefit from KRob's dismissal. I believe Troy Williamson will be the #1 WR, but I think Wiggins will be extremely productive as a TE.
flooredyas
Footballguy
Then it would be #2 for Minny-The Whizzenator and KRob. I likely missed a few here but do you notice a trend?Now back to the WR situation. As has been previously stated, Johnson is the guy to target now, while Williamson may have some upside, he would have to take a giant step forward to become more than a #3-This year. This reeks eerily of Brady and New England.
sigh - anyone want to buy a Karen Robinson autographed cap from SIU? or trade?
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Too bad about his problems, and I'm sorry for him. But he's used up his chances. He was on probation, with a suspended sentence. The Vikings probably made it abundantly clear to him that if there was any recurrence, he would be gone.
Robby. You had chances that most people only dream of, and you messed them up. Too bad.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I can see what MOP is saying, but in the same token, this is a guy who had his chances.
Let's put this in the real world, if I show up to work drunk or hungover, I get a warning. If it happens again, I get a written warning where it is laid out what is coming if I do it again. Well, here I do again and can I act surprised that I am shown the door.
The NFL is no different--it is a business and this guy is on his 3rd strike. Maybe this is his rock bottom and he can find a way to rehab once and for all.
Let's put this in the real world, if I show up to work drunk or hungover, I get a warning. If it happens again, I get a written warning where it is laid out what is coming if I do it again. Well, here I do again and can I act surprised that I am shown the door.
The NFL is no different--it is a business and this guy is on his 3rd strike. Maybe this is his rock bottom and he can find a way to rehab once and for all.
Hey ReallyABasketballCoach (and others who want to chime in) - I agree that this resolution of Koren Robinson's status means that Williamson is #1 WR. What I'd like to see most, though, is people's projections for Wiggins now - also does Kleinsasser get a bump up? Regarding K. Robinson's responsibility in this matter, I have this to say - he was going over 100 MPH in his car when the police clocked him - while driving drunk. That's essentially the same as randomly waving a loaded rifle around, with your finger on the trigger, in a residential neighborhood while drunk. He not only violated his own rehabilitation/disappointed himself, his team and his fiance, he put everyone else on that road's life at risk. He should feel profoundly grateful that he didn't kill somebody else on the road that night, IMO. I hope that he is incarcerated for a substantial period of time.
I agree whole-heartedly!
Great value at WR 4 there jurb.Jjurb26 said:
Hi MOP,
What would you suggest the Vikings do?
Keep paying him millions? I don't disagree an employer can help an employee through a tough time.
But what exactly do you think the Vikings should do there?
J
What would you suggest the Vikings do?
Keep paying him millions? I don't disagree an employer can help an employee through a tough time.
But what exactly do you think the Vikings should do there?
J
This attitude quietly might help him, but generally this type of attitude is not helpful and I think AA folks call it an enabler. It is likely best for him to go to jail or whatever it is that is "rock bottom". Then he can build himself backup all by himself. He's like a person that's been given everything he wants in life due to future stardom including pityFWIW This reminds me of Kerry Collins...I think, only half remember some pathetic storiesMinistry of Pain said:
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Sasser hasn't seen as many targets in a long while. He got hurt and Tice left. Tice loved the guy for his combo of blocking and receiving ability. Unless a Wiggins injury, he's probably done for us in FF.Wiggins was going to be the only reliable target before Koren's BS so I don't think this changes much. Williamson needs to get deep first and foremost IMO. Old guys can get to a spot but they're very limitted. Wiggins is no speed demon either so Troy's gotta stretch the field. I, and probably you too, expected Williamson to be a deep threat so this didn't change much IMO. I see these guys as quite cover-able. Chester Taylor might just be getting a ton of dump passes now.Mark Wimer said:
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
It's a business, they aren't doing it as a personal jab against Robinson. He only had a short contract with them anyway.Ministry of Pain said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Those are tough questions to answer Joe, but I'll try. 1. No, they should not keep paying him millions...the checks should have stopped immediately, I doubt money is his biggest problem right now. In fact too much money might be part of the root of his problems...seemed to do fine playing for mostly minimum wage last season.2. The Vikings are sort of forced to do this as they can't exactly place him on an injured list...I don't know the ground rules for the PuP list but the NFL should make substance abuse as part of the Physically Unable to Perform list...he can't perform while he is an active alcholic really. It's the body/mind's chemical dependence so it could qualiy for the PUP list if the NFL wanted. I don't think PUP list players count against the 53 man rosters do they?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Totally disagree on the "jab"
Yeah I just can't remember all the stories and what was the final straw with the Saints and all
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
thanks MOP
NO not at allcompletely misread that and missed the n't contractionwoops, thanks for pointing that out
