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Vinatieri signs with Colts (1 Viewer)
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djcolts
Footballguy
Actually, his 3 biggest FGs.but the bottom line is, biggest field goal of his life vandy choakedin the half-dozen or so HUGE field goals vin has tried, he nailed them all. He should have been the MVP of their first super bowl!Even taking away the "clutch" label (Vandy is the opposite of clutch), he's an upgrade because:1. He can kickoff - Vandy is awful at that. That could save a roster spot on the Colts that was used on a KO specialist.Why is he an upgrade?
He's certainly not more accurate than Vanderjagt. He's more "clutch"?
2. He won't be a cancer in the locker room. He'd never say that another team is "ripe for the picking" before a playoff game.
nerangers
Footballguy
The Colts play in the RCA Dome, and Vinatieri has made 37 of 41 career field goals indoors. His only misses have come in Reliant Stadium in Houston, all in the 2003 season (3 of 5 vs. Houston and 1 of 3 vs. Carolina in the Super Bowl). He is a perfect 10 for 10 in Indianapolis.
Here here. I think we'll see his percentage being just slightly better than it has been in the past.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Can we all agree to say Edge if we're talking about the Cardinals RB, and the Edge if we're talking about the U2 guy? It would make things easier for me. Thanks.
Mike Herman
Footballguy
"[Vinatieri] is very, very consistent. He reminds me of when I was in Pittsburgh and we had Gary Anderson. When you watch his kicks, most of his balls are down the middle ... nice end-over-end kicks. It doesn't matter what the situation is, he kicks the same, and that's what you want out of a kicker. I think he's special. Being able to make those big kicks in playoff games, that's what it's all about, and he's done that as well as anybody probably in the history of the league."
- Tony Dungy, 11/05
- Tony Dungy, 11/05
bostonfred
Footballguy
Vinatieri's also an excellent special teams tackler for a kicker. I'm sure Patriots fans remember him chasing down Herschel Walker from behind to prevent a sure kickoff return for a TD many years ago.
Green Apple Splatter
Footballguy
Vandy has missed 2 clutch playoff kicks. Add the previously made off the field comments, I'd say the Colts have seen enough.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Adam V= best kicker of all time IMHO.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
While Colts fans might be excited about this signing, don't get too crazy. The only upgrade you're getting is Vinatieri is a nicer guy than Vanderjerk.
Vinatieri is clutch, sure. But he can't hit long field goals, and his kickoffs rarely reach the end zone. There were several times last year when Belichick trotted out the punt team when we all thought a FG was in order. He also missed a few easy ones this past year. Maybe Belichick knows someting we all don't. He plays the field-position game to a tee, and maybe he feels Vinatieri's weak kickoffs and short FG range is giving too much of the field position game away.
I wouldn't rank him anywhere near the Top 5, let alone pay him as the #1 kicker in the NFL. I'd list Akers, Elam, Rackers, Graham, Wilkens, Kasay, and Josh Brown all as better kickers.
Don't get me wrong, I've loved having Vinatieri these past 10 years. But ALL players leave. And I think it takes brass balls for Belichick to move forward, rather than overpay based on sentiment.
Vinatieri is clutch, sure. But he can't hit long field goals, and his kickoffs rarely reach the end zone. There were several times last year when Belichick trotted out the punt team when we all thought a FG was in order. He also missed a few easy ones this past year. Maybe Belichick knows someting we all don't. He plays the field-position game to a tee, and maybe he feels Vinatieri's weak kickoffs and short FG range is giving too much of the field position game away.
I wouldn't rank him anywhere near the Top 5, let alone pay him as the #1 kicker in the NFL. I'd list Akers, Elam, Rackers, Graham, Wilkens, Kasay, and Josh Brown all as better kickers.
Don't get me wrong, I've loved having Vinatieri these past 10 years. But ALL players leave. And I think it takes brass balls for Belichick to move forward, rather than overpay based on sentiment.
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uwgb96
Footballguy
Some things to consider.
Granted, Vinatieri is certainly more prone to bad weather in NE, Buf, NY, but...
Vanderjagt
Indoors 87.6 (127/145)
Outdoors 87.4 (90/103)
Vinatieri
Indoors 94.4 (34/36)
Outdoors 80.4 (229/285)
The big kicks stick in our mind (as they should) and that kick against Pittsburgh was god-awful. I don't know what they consider "close" and "close/late", but...
Vanderjagt
Close 89.1 (90/101)
Close/Late 89.5 (34/38)
Vinatieri
Close 80.0 (136/170)
Close/Late 78.4 (29/37)
Vanderjagt Career Split Stats
Vinatieri Career Split Stats
Granted, Vinatieri is certainly more prone to bad weather in NE, Buf, NY, but...
Vanderjagt
Indoors 87.6 (127/145)
Outdoors 87.4 (90/103)
Vinatieri
Indoors 94.4 (34/36)
Outdoors 80.4 (229/285)
The big kicks stick in our mind (as they should) and that kick against Pittsburgh was god-awful. I don't know what they consider "close" and "close/late", but...
Vanderjagt
Close 89.1 (90/101)
Close/Late 89.5 (34/38)
Vinatieri
Close 80.0 (136/170)
Close/Late 78.4 (29/37)
Vanderjagt Career Split Stats
Vinatieri Career Split Stats
Mike Herman
Footballguy
Presidentspeak and Coachspeak
“He’s always made them when it counts and he continues to play at a high level. He’s also a guy who personally, by all accounts, is an absolutely terrific guy and a great teammate. He’ll be a great addition to the franchise.”
- Bill Polian
“What you’re excited about is you have a guy who has been in those situations and you don’t have to guess how he’s going to respond. That’s really the biggest thing from our standpoint. Whether he’s from New England or anyplace else, you’re getting a Pro Bowl caliber guy, a guy who’s done what he’s done. The exciting thing for us is when you lose a really good player at any position and replace him with another player of the same caliber, that’s always fantastic.”
- Tony Dungy
Regarding Vinatieri Kicking Off
“I want to talk to him about that. I want to evaluate that. As much as we score, as much as we kickoff, and at his age, it might be wise to have someone else handle kickoffs. But we’ll see.”
- Bill Polian
“He can do that. I watched most of their kickoffs today (Wednesday) and he did very well last year. He kicked touchbacks outdoors. He’s a very good kickoff man. He may be able to save a roster spot, and if we decide to go that way, that obviously helps, too. We haven’t made that decision. We’ll talk through it, but he’s certainly capable of doing it.”
- Tony Dungy
colts.com
“He’s always made them when it counts and he continues to play at a high level. He’s also a guy who personally, by all accounts, is an absolutely terrific guy and a great teammate. He’ll be a great addition to the franchise.”
- Bill Polian
“What you’re excited about is you have a guy who has been in those situations and you don’t have to guess how he’s going to respond. That’s really the biggest thing from our standpoint. Whether he’s from New England or anyplace else, you’re getting a Pro Bowl caliber guy, a guy who’s done what he’s done. The exciting thing for us is when you lose a really good player at any position and replace him with another player of the same caliber, that’s always fantastic.”
- Tony Dungy
Regarding Vinatieri Kicking Off
“I want to talk to him about that. I want to evaluate that. As much as we score, as much as we kickoff, and at his age, it might be wise to have someone else handle kickoffs. But we’ll see.”
- Bill Polian
“He can do that. I watched most of their kickoffs today (Wednesday) and he did very well last year. He kicked touchbacks outdoors. He’s a very good kickoff man. He may be able to save a roster spot, and if we decide to go that way, that obviously helps, too. We haven’t made that decision. We’ll talk through it, but he’s certainly capable of doing it.”
- Tony Dungy
colts.com
