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Good point, but if you were watching last week they kept going to the super slo-mo closeup, and he's making multiple reads before going. Unless it's a designed qb run, taking off is the last resort. That's what Dinger is coaching him to do, and a big part of what's making him so dangerous right now.
If you don't see how he's helped the running game, you're missing the big picture here. Even Jimmy Johnson was talking about it today.FUBAR said:fatness said:The run game was a pretty big reason for this win.
Exactly. They help each other.
With the right coaching, I think he's far from finished growing as a qb, and is nowhere near as good as he can be.
from the week 11 ETTG*...** VY is sometimes dissed for his unorthodox throwing motion and delivery. he does have a good arm, and obviously when at his best, can be accurate. lots of QBs have suceeded with an unorthodox throwing motion/delivery (for instance, philip rivers recently).
Esp since they were spying him or playing quarters all game just to keep his running in check.
Better QB's wouldn't have needed three 4th down plays on the drive. Not a VY fan, but he's doing what it takes to help the team win and that drive was impressive.
how would you infer that I don't see that? All I'm saying is the run game is a big reason for the win - lots of players are involved in the run game, VY is one of them.If you don't see how he's helped the running game, you're missing the big picture here. Even Jimmy Johnson was talking about it today.FUBAR said:fatness said:The run game was a pretty big reason for this win.
Exactly. They help each other.
Thrive where you are at VY. Of all the ridiculous and silly statements made in this thread, that is the most ridiculous and silly.
You're right about the polarizing nature, and I've never been able to figure it out. I've never heard a good explanation for it and I'm sure it's nothing based on anything he's done to anyone, so I'm really at a loss.Unreal how VY polarizes people. I really fell like they a caging an animal in Tenessee, his whole career. I was hoping he would struggle some in order to get cut and go to another team.Looking like he is stuck in Tennessee.Thrive where you are at VY.
Also, just as you said, VY sure is making it hard for Bud to let him go after this season. I think at this point the fans would string him up if he did...barring some sort of collapse, anyway. Of course, Bud loves VY anyway.
OK. If I misread the intent of your post, my bad. It didn't seem clear when I read it.
This thread amuses me. Everyone - especially the haters - have already drawn their conclusions and are backing into arguments and reasoning to justify that. (Not singling you out, since you did say you were impressed, and I don't care one way or another but I do think he gets a bad rap. That's not to say he's the greatest QB ever, but there have certainly been worse).
Was that last drive yesterday smoke and mirrors? I mean, come on. That drive was totally clutch and he did it all with his arm, not his legs. I have had serious doubts about Vince Young, as have many others, but the guy seems to have turned the corner. Not saying he is a great QB all of a sudden, but he is vastly improved, and is a playmaker when it counts.
Hi Rush Limbaugh! Welcome to the Shark Pool.I just wanted to say you're fat. And you're a tool.
4 years, but I agree with your post.What we're seeing now is not surprising to a lot of people, including me. It's reminescent of when the college game slowed down for him and he became more relaxed in the pocket at Texas. He started picking up first downs with his legs and started getting a lot more yardage through the air. He proved he could beat teams either way and really put defenses in a bind. That led to him becoming the first ever 1000 yard rusher/3000 yard passer. He's not as good as he's gonna be.Like you, I still don't get the vitriol, the venom. I don't understand the polarization. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
Schadenfreude - some people find pleasure in watching someone fail.Others are just simply racist. They don't want to see a black man succeed at what has historically been a white man's job. People can deny it, but it's just a simple fact that a certain percentage (probably, hopefully, a relatively small percentage) of people feel this way. I have relatives that make me cringe at family reunions when they start talking about Tiger Woods. They turn their comments into a joke, but it is thinly-veiled racism. I'm embarrassed to be related to them.
I've really tried hard to believe that's not it, though I know deep down there's at least a small % of the comments that can be explained that way. That's just effed up, sad, and pathetic. I get people from other schools not liking the guy 'cause he beat them or whatever, but I still don't get the extreme negative feelings he brings out in them. I mean, there are players from rival schools that have beaten Texas that I go on to respect and admire...Adrian Peterson, Sam Bradford, Dat Nguyen, for example, and Jerrod Johnson...hell, I already admire that kid.
I don't think he's saying that. I know I'm not.What I'm getting at is the vitriol. I don't wonder about why people don't like VY. I don't care about that. I do care about the vitriolic way it's expressed so often. I don't think it's good for anyone and I wonder where it comes from.
I don't think you understand the definition of the word masochist.And my explanations are obviously only SOME of the reasons why people might not like him. There could be many other reasons of course.
That play is only going to help VY going forward. He knows he blew it by trying to make a play when he shouldn't have, I was impressed with how he was pissed at himself when walking off the field and didn't just do a Cutler and ignore it. Learning from mistakes is the easiest way improve and even better when it doesn't cost the game.
given that a lot of QBs don't drive the titans the length of the field for a victory on that last series, this critique doesn't make sense to me. i don't see how anything but positives could be extracted here (he did have some luck with the deflected pass that bounded right into the hands of scaife, but that doesn't in any way invalidate his accomplishment).
Agreed, and he will get better, but currently he's not a very good QB. Loads of potential, though.
Historically he has not been a good passing QB currently, however, he is quite good.
He has "IT"
He's a young, athletic, mobile guy playing QB. He has not been a pure drop-back pocket passer. He got a low Wonderlic score. Add that all that up and some people aren't going to like him because he doesn't fit the way they think QB's should be. In sports announcing cliches he's "athletic" when people think QB's should be "heady". How much of that has to do with race is impossible to tell. It does seem like some current opinions on Young are based on the way he played in past pro years or in college, and not on his play this year, however.the hairy scotsman said:
I don't think it's racism as much as some other do. I think a lot of it comes from Texas haters and a very big chunk of it comes from the desire of many to tear someone down--especially someone who they think has gotten by on talent rather than work ethic and someone who they think has a big ego. Those of us that have followed VY for a while know that he is a hard worker, but now that the media is portraying him as "humble" and "studying and practicing hard" people will change their perceptions. Lastly, you can toss in a "hip hop" type association as another lightning rod for criticism. It really is curious though because he's never had a run-in with the law, he never reported to camp fat and out-of-shape, he never had tirades in the media, or anything of that nature yet from some of the attacks you'd think he was the second coming of Lawrence Phillips.
I saw almost the entire game, Britt messed up a few but VY was making some piss poor decisions as he was trying to do too much. If he can just learn to control that he'll be fine.I watched the game sparingly last night. Saw Gage, maybe Britt, get hit right in the numbers on stride when he wasn't looking at the ball.
The problem is the offense is not built to over come large deficits. They got down by to many last night and it forced their hand. It is definitely not Young's strong point to be forced to throw and throw often as we seen last night. Young played poorly last night though and it is not an excuse for that.I saw almost the entire game, Britt messed up a few but VY was making some piss poor decisions as he was trying to do too much. If he can just learn to control that he'll be fine.I watched the game sparingly last night. Saw Gage, maybe Britt, get hit right in the numbers on stride when he wasn't looking at the ball.
