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Vince Young or Tim Tebow (2 Viewers)

Bonus: Was Young or Tebow better than Tommie Frazier?

  • Vince Young was better

    Votes: 14 26.4%
  • Tim Tebow was better

    Votes: 7 13.2%
  • Vince Young and Tim Tebow were both better

    Votes: 23 43.4%
  • Tommie Frazier better than both

    Votes: 9 17.0%

  • Total voters
    53

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Thinking about some of the dual threat college QBs we have had in recent memory that never really continued their success at the next level. These three guys came to mind first. All three are considered by most to be near top of the all time college football player list. Voting strictly as college players, who would you choose?

 
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Vince Young across the board.

Almost single handedly won the NC against a superior team in USC.

 
I never bought into the whole TimTebow is one of the greatest college players ever because of his record etc....I always just saw a dominating team aided by a guy who was a good leader but obviously flawed in his quarterback mechanics. I was shocked he was a late first rounder, I felt he was a reach for the 3rd round.

Vince Young was one of the greatest college players ever. Even though his accuracy wasn't Aikman like, I thought Young was going to be better than what we've seen. I think the lack of sucess for Young has been mental, which can take anyone down. I'll never forget how good Young was against Michigan in the Rose Bowl then the following year vs. USC.....super human efforts.

 
I'm a tebow fan, but went with Vince.

Those two bowl games against Michigan and USC were two of the best performances I have ever seen. He will Texas to wins in them both.

 
I agree with most. Young >>>> Tebow. Effort against USC is maybe one of the best individual efforts ever. That said, I watched a lot of Tommie Frazier and he was easily as good for me as Young was. Tough choice between those two, but I'll take Frazier over Young.

 
I never bought into the whole TimTebow is one of the greatest college players ever because of his record etc....I always just saw a dominating team aided by a guy who was a good leader but obviously flawed in his quarterback mechanics. I was shocked he was a late first rounder, I felt he was a reach for the 3rd round.
Tebow is interesting in this respect because he was really bottled up a bit in the team's two best years because the team around him (namely the defense) was so good.In his sophomore year when the defense was atrocious and Florida knew they had to score every time they touched the ball, Tebow put up some ridiculous numbers. The next two years the defense was so dominant that they really reeled back the offense quite a bit. Perhaps the biggest thing hurting his legacy is that he never had to come from behind in either of those two big games in his NC season. He really lacks that one defining moment like Young had with the USC game.

However, I think he gets too little credit for the drives he engineered at the end of both the SEC Championship game and National Championship games. In both cases, Florida was up by 3 or 4 points late in the 4th quarter, with a pretty good chance that giving the ball back would mean a loss. In both cases he put together a TD drive to clinch it. The Alabama one had probably the most standout play that gets little attention, when on 3rd and 5 with likely the game on the line he completed a beautiful 35 yard pass down the sidelines to Louis Murphy. A risky play on such an important 3rd down.

If you ask me who I think was the better player at their peak, it's probably Vince Young. That Texas team was no slouch, but their defense wasn't as good as Florida's when they were winning with Tebow.

The big disadvantage Young has in this argument, which everyone seems to forget about, is how awful of a passer was early in his career compared to Tebow. Remember, Vince Young was a horrific passer up until his final year, whereas Tebow came out of the gates and set the NCAA record for highest passer rating for a Heisman winner in his first year as a starter.

The other thing with Young is that so much of what he did is built around one game, one play even. If Texas falls to USC in that Rose Bowl then he's probably not even mentioned among the best of all-time at all. If you take away his final season then he's not even considered any better than a guy like Eric Crouch. There's no single game, play, or even season that you could take away from Tebow to take him out of the conversation.

I find it difficult to change an opinion of a player from "not even in the conversation" to "best of all time" all because of one game, but Tebow never did anything like Young did in that USC game.

Tebow had a far better career, and contributed much more quickly. At each of their extreme peaks though, Young's peak was higher.

 
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The Tebow hate is amazing.

Tebow across the board for me.

But, I'm not sure how you distinguish "better college player" from "better college QB".

 
I never bought into the whole TimTebow is one of the greatest college players ever because of his record etc....I always just saw a dominating team aided by a guy who was a good leader but obviously flawed in his quarterback mechanics.
Tebow's mechanics were "obviously flawed" but Vince's weren't? :confused: Both these guys were two of the best college QBs of all time - I'd have a really hard time picking one over the other. Vince was a little faster and more elusive as a runner, Tebow was a little more powerful and a redzone TD machine. I'd give a bit of an edge to Tebow as a passer, though, which probably gives him the slight overall edge - in four years he threw half as many picks as VY did in three. His TD-INT ratio of 88-15 is just a crazy awesome stat.
 
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Tim Tebow is the 2nd highest rated QB in college football history (behind only Sam Bradford). Vince Young is a guy who played a great bowl game as a Sophomore, had a fantastic Junior year, and then put up the best individual performance in college football history. If Vince Young doesn't have that one game, I don't think he's in anyone's all-time top 10. I think without that game, Vince Young's career is essentially identical to Carson Palmer's. Now, you can't take that one game away, but I don't think one game (no matter how unimaginable) can take a player from "Carson Palmer" to "better than the first sophomore to ever win the Heisman Trophy". Especially since it's not like Tebow was without dominant performances in big games- his second half against Alabama in the 1st SECCG matchup was backbreaking, and in his final college game he broke the BCS record for yardage accounted for set by Vince Young in HIS final college game.

If I could have the best game from any QB, there's no other possible choice than Young. If I could have the best season, I'd take both Tebow and Bradford. If I could have the entire career, though, I don't think Young was even the best Texas QB of the last decade- I'd take McCoy, along with Tebow, Bradford, and even Matt Leinart (whose college career has largely been forgotten in a fit of NFL counterfactual blindness).

 
Frazier was just sick. Best option QB to ever play. Guy just knew how to win too.

 
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VY and VY for he firs two.

But Tommie Frazier was better than both. Prolly won't win b/c of the fallacy of recency, but Tommie Frazier (in college) was damn near unstoppable.

 
I forgot that TF never went pro b/c of the blood clot. Sad. He was AWESOME. But to all of you just blindly voting VY/Tesus learn some history.

Frazier led his team to back-to-back consensus national championships in 1994 and 1995, and he remains the only quarterback to have done so since the 1950s. The 1995 Nebraska team is considered to have been one of the most dominant in the history of American college football.[1][2] In a 2006 ESPN.com poll, the results of which aired on SportsCenter, the 1995 Nebraska team was voted the best college team of all time.

In 1999 Frazier was selected by Sports Illustrated as a back-up quarterback in their "NCAA Football All-Century Team." The starting quarterback was Sammy Baugh and the other back-ups were John Lujack, Roger Staubach and Doug Flutie. Frazier was one of six Nebraska Cornhuskers on this 85 man roster; the others being Johnny Rodgers, Rich Glover, Dave Rimington, Dean Steinkuhler and Aaron Taylor.

In 2004, CollegeFootballNews.com named Frazier the #33 player on their list of the Top 100 Greatest College Football Players of All-Time.



Collegiate playing career

When Frazier arrived in Lincoln, the Huskers had suffered years of bowl game blowouts. Coach Tom Osborne made a strategic decision to recruit faster players at all positions in the early 1990s to compete with Miami and Florida State in the seemingly annual Orange Bowl matchups. Frazier, a prized blue-chip recruit ranked No. 3 in the country from his high school senior class by recruiting analyst Tom Lemming, was the final piece of the puzzle and led the Huskers to four straight New Year's Day bowl games. Reports were Osborne had shed some tears upon receiving the news of Frazier's verbal commitment with Nebraska.

At 6-foot-1, 190 pounds, an 18-year old true freshman Tommie Frazier joined the Nebraska football team and started off backing up senior Mike Grant for the 1992 season. Grant got Nebraska off to a 4-1 start, but an early season 27-14 loss to highly regarded Washington set up for Frazier's chance to take over as the team's starter. And he would become Nebraska's starter at Missouri on Oct. 24 as the Huskers won the game, 34-24.

The two games that followed up the Missouri win would firmly place Frazier into the minds of college football fans nationwide. Both were night games nationally televised on ESPN, and they were blowout wins showcasing Frazier's talented skill set. The Colorado game on Halloween Day resulted in Frazier destroying a powerful 9-1-1, Kordell Stewart-led Colorado team, 52-7. Frazier passed sparingly going 4-for-12 for 55 yards with two TD passes, but did his damage on the ground rushing 16 times for 86 yards with his option trickery leading the way to 373 team rushing yards for the Huskers.

The following week, Nov. 7, Frazier showcased his strong arm in a 49-7 win over Kansas. The playaction fake resulted in long touchdown passes of 36 and 46 yards from the true freshman. Frazier finished the game going 6-for-11 passing for 161 yards and three TD passes against the Jayhawks.

In 1992, Nebraska managed a 9-2 record with Frazier registering seven starts at quarterback. He had a memorable bowl game performance against an outstanding 11-1 Florida State team led by quarterback Charlie Ward, wide receiver Tamarick Vanover, and outstanding linebacker Marvin Jones. On January 1, 1993, Florida State jumped out to a 20-0 lead by the 2nd quarter, but Frazier - who opened up the game in the shotgun formation - responded with two touchdown passes - a 41 yarder to Corey Dixon and a redzone touchdown pass to Gerald Armstrong - to cut FSU's lead to 27-14 which was the final score.

Frazier's statistics in nine games for the 1992 season included him completing 44-of-100 passing attempts for 727 yards with only one interception while rushing for 399 yards and finishing with 17 rushing and passing touchdowns. He had a longest run of 52 yards against Iowa State on Nov. 14.

On January 1, 1994 as a sophomore, Frazier kept pace with Heisman Trophy winner Charlie Ward of Florida State in the Orange Bowl in a rematch from the season before, but fell just short of leading the Huskers to the National Championship because of a last minute drive by Ward and field goal by the Seminoles. Amazingly, Frazier still got his team in position for a game-winning 45 yard field goal attempt. He did this by throwing a perfect 29 yard spiral downfield to his split end Trumaine Bell - leaving just 0:01 left on the game clock. However, the field goal attempt sailed wide left giving FSU an 18-16 win. Frazier was still named MVP of the National Title game despite the loss as he was 13-of-24 passing for 206 yards with a 34 yard TD pass while rushing 14 times for 77 yards including a 32 yard run.

That season - 1993, Frazier led Nebraska to an 11-1 mark and rushed for slightly more than 1,000 yards when his sack yards are removed and the bowl performance against Florida State is added. The option quarterback had nine rushing touchdowns and recorded a longest run of 58 yards. Frazier completed right at 50 percent of his passes as a sophomore if a 5-of-17, 57 yards passing performance in a snow storm against Oklahoma on Nov. 26 is removed from his accumulative passing statistics' totals. A wind chill of minus 17 degrees Fahrenheit was recorded that day. Frazier passed for 1,159 yards on 77-of-162 passes with 12 touchdowns and four interceptions in 11 games. His longest pass play was a 60 yard strike to Corey Dixon against Colorado on Oct. 30, 1993.

Remarkably, Frazier, with help from reserves Brook Berringer and Matt Turman, would put together three straight undefeated regular seasons from 1993 to 1995, but none of this would have been possible if he had not put forth the fine individual performance at UCLA when the Husker signal caller completed 13-of-19 passes for 145 yards with an 11 yard TD pass - as he did just enough to help Nebraska escape, 14-13, on September 18, 1993.

The following year was trying for Frazier as he battled a blood clot in his leg which held him out of the second half of the season. He had a remarkable start that year giving him much Heisman Trophy consideration in the early part of the season as on Aug. 28, 1994, Frazier exploded on West Virginia in a Husker win, 31-0. That game, Frazier finished 8-of-16 passing for 100 yards with an 11 yard TD pass and ran 12 times for 130 yards while scoring on touchdown runs of 25, 27, and 42 yards.

All of the early season successes of 1994 came to end for Frazier when on Sept. 24, he began experiencing difficulties in the calf of his right leg - which was the result of blood clotting. Nebraska beatPacific, 70-21, but Frazier played sparingly completing 1-of-2 passes for 26 yards as this game would be the last he would play in for the regular season.

The rest of the season resumed as dropback passer Berringer, I-back Lawrence Phillips, wingback Abdul Muhammad, offensive tackle Zach Wiegert and the talented Blackshirts picked up the slack. Without Frazier, the Nebraska defense rose to the occasion on Oct. 29, 1994 when a splendid 11-1 Colorado team, led by Stewart and Heisman Trophy winner Rashaan Salaam, came to Lincoln, Nebraska. Nebraska won the contest, 24-7.

The Huskers got back to the Orange Bowl on January 1, 1995 with a 12-0 record and played the Miami Hurricanes (10-1) for a shot at the National Championship. In the game, Coach Osborne started Frazier but then pulled him for backup Berringer after a botched deep throw into the endzone on Nebraska's initial drive resulted in a turnover. All momentum had shifted Miami's way as the Hurricanes led by as much as 17-7 early in the 3rd quarter. In the fourth quarter and trailing, 17-9, Nebraska's offense had clearly stalled even though Berringer had succeeded in completing a 19 yard TD pass to tightend Mark Gilman midway through the 2nd quarter.

With only seven minutes left in the game, Osborne went back to Frazier, his starting quarterback. Frazier responded with two touchdown drives giving Nebraska its 24-17 victory. The tired Miami defense led by defensive tackle Warren Sapp and linebacker Ray Lewis could not keep up with the Nebraska option as fullback Cory Schlesinger scored from 15 and 14 yards out off Frazier's fake of the option play as the Huskers celebrated their first national title since 1971 and the first of Coach Osborne's career. Frazier was once again named MVP as he was 3-for-5 passing for 25 yards and ran the ball seven times for 31 yards including a 25 yard option keeper - performing to this level after not having played in a game for three months.

In 1995, Frazier was finally healthy and led the Huskers on a dominating march through college football. Despite always having great arm strength, Frazier was never known for his passing accuracy. Frazier consistently improved his passing - particularly when throwing touch passes - and by his senior year completed 56.4 percent of his passes for 17 touchdowns and a pass efficiency rating of 156.1.

Frazier's finest game passing that year came in the form of a 44-21 victory on Oct. 28 at Boulder, Colorado where he threaded the needle against a 10-2 Buffaloes team by completing 14-of-23 passes for 241 yards which included two touchdown passes and one of those covering 52 yards to wingback Clester Johnson. This game also gave Frazier much consideration for the Heisman Trophy. However on Dec. 2, Ohio State's runningback, Eddie George, wound up winning the award while Frazier finished as the runner-up.

Frazier teamed up with Phillips, Taylor, Ahman Green, Damon Benning, Clinton Childs, Chris Dishman, Aaron Graham, Matt Vrzal, Eric Anderson, and Steve Ott that season to form one the most punishing rushing attacks in college football history, setting an NCAA record for averaging 7.0 yards per rushing attempt. The Huskers averaged 399.8 rushing yards and 52.4 points per game. Frazier's regular season statistics had him completing 92-of-163 passes for 1,362 yards with four interceptions and rushing 97 times for 604 yards with 14 touchdowns. He was never sacked the entire season. Frazier's longest pass play was a 76 yarder to split end Reggie Baul against Oklahoma State on Aug. 31.

The Huskers finished the regular season undefeated at 11-0 and were matched with the also undefeated Florida Gators in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl on Jan. 2, 1996. Nebraska defeated the Gators 'Fun-N-Gun' team 62-24, and Frazier garnered his third straight National Title Game MVP Award. He finished with 16 rushes for 199 yards while completing 6-of-14 passes for 105 yards which included a 16 yard TD pass to Phillips. The highlight of the game came on what appeared to be a short yardage routine option play sweeping to the right sideline - which happened in the closing seconds of the 3rd quarter. Frazier ran the play with the decision to keep the ball and turned up field. The result was several exhausted defenders hanging onto and clinging to Frazier as, one by one, each defender fell off - a total of seven broken tackles. The last defender was Florida's cornerback Fred Weary as Frazier kept his balance and raced 75 yards down the sideline to paydirt in what was the longest run of his career. Sports Illustrated named it one of college football's greatest plays.[4]

[edit]Professional playing career

Frazier had a good start at setting himself up for the 1996 NFL Draft by winning the MVP award for his 34-18 victory in the East-West Shrine Game which was nationally televised on ESPN on January 13, 1996. After the college all-star football game, West Coach Terry Donahue said there was no doubt Frazier improved his stock with his performance. "I think he came here with all kinds of doubts," the former UCLA head football coach added. "This game really helped him and somebody is going to invest in him. I am really high on him. When I did the Fiesta Bowl, I said the guy was the most dangerous player in college football and I mean it more now. This guy's dangerous. He's great." Frazier finished that afternoon going 11-for-20 passing for 163 yards and rushed six times for 33 yards while scoring on a five yard keeper and throwing a 52 yard touchdown pass to teammate Kevin Jordan with 5:57 left in the contest.

The East-West Shrine Game showcased Frazier's skill set for the many NFL scouts that were in attendance. Unfortunately, leading up to the NFL Scouting Combine, Frazier started experiencing more problems with blood clots. Results from recruiting analyst Forrest Davis' publication had Frazier listed at 4.50 seconds in the 40 yard dash coming out of high school, and his test results at Nebraska from 1992-1995 had been very similar. However, Frazier's performance in late February 1996 at the NFL Scouting Combine was reported as being pedestrian-like by the Atlanta Journal Constitution from its March 3, 1996 edition.

As a result of the combination of many factors - primarily health issues, Frazier was not drafted in the NFL. However, the Montreal Alouettes from the CFL went after the rights to acquire Frazier away from the NFL as he was still a free agent option for the many NFL franchises. Montreal succeeded and began making offers to Frazier as early as May 1996.

Frazier signed a contract with the Alouettes on July 15, 1996 and became a backup quarterback behind starter Tracy Ham and top reserve Jim Kemp. Frazier only played in one game on August 30 in which his team lost to the Ottawa Rough Riders, 17-6. Frazier came off the bench in the 4th quarter of this contest and completed 6-of-17 passes for 55 yards.

However, his brief professional football career came to an end with a life-threatening scare. On September 4, 1996, Frazier was admitted to Montreal General Hospital because of pneumonia.[5] He was put on blood thinners as a precaution because of two previous blood clots in his right leg while at Nebraska and after Frazier spit up blood the day he was hospitalized. It would take Frazier two weeks to recover as he was released from the hospital on Sept. 17. It was after this that Frazier decided to give up football and try other options in life.

 


Records and statistics

[*]Record as starter (33-3)

[*]National championships (2)

[*]Big Eight Conference championships (4)

[*]former University of Nebraska school record for total offense, career (5,476 yards)

[*]former University of Nebraska school record for touchdown passes, career (43)

[*]former University of Nebraska school record for rushing touchdowns by a quarterback, season (14)

[*]former NCAA record for rushing yards in a bowl game by a quarterback (199)

[*]former University of Nebraska school record for total offense in a bowl game (304 yards)

[*]longest touchdown run in a bowl game (75 yards)



 
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But Tommie Frazier was better than both. Prolly won't win b/c of the fallacy of recency, but Tommie Frazier (in college) was damn near unstoppable.
Fallacy of recency? Try the opposite.Players get "better" the longer they're out of the game, apparently. It's the whole reason many people just blindly assume Larry Bird was the greatest 3-point shooter of all-time when his 3-point shooting percentage ranks 122nd.
 
The Tebow hate is amazing.Tebow across the board for me.But, I'm not sure how you distinguish "better college player" from "better college QB".
:shrug: I took it to mean running ability/moves etc stuff 'outside the pocket', but agree its a silly distinction.
Yes, by better college player I mean things other than your typical QB comparisons. Running ability, Leadership, Ability to win, etc...everything that makes a football player great, but not necessarily things that make a great QB like arm strength, accuracy, pocket awareness, etc.....i.e. Phillip Rivers and Sam Bradford were both better "QB's" than Vince Young and Tim Tebow, but better college football player? No way.
 


Records and statistics

[*]Record as starter (33-3)

[*]National championships (2)

[*]Big Eight Conference championships (4)

[*]former University of Nebraska school record for total offense, career (5,476 yards)

[*]former University of Nebraska school record for touchdown passes, career (43)

[*]former University of Nebraska school record for rushing touchdowns by a quarterback, season (14)

[*]former NCAA record for rushing yards in a bowl game by a quarterback (199)

[*]former University of Nebraska school record for total offense in a bowl game (304 yards)

[*]longest touchdown run in a bowl game (75 yards)

You want to play the records and stats game? http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/01/sec_football_by_the_numbers_ti.html

Touchdown responsibility: Tebow shattered Danny Wuerffel's SEC career record, but he did not break the NCAA major-college record (henceforth, all references to the NCAA are to its top division of football), although another Senior Bowl QB did.

Tebow accounted for 145 TDs at Florida -- 88 passing and 57 rushing -- to finish 23 ahead of Wuerffel, who had held the SEC record of 122 (114 passing and eight rushing) compiled from 1993 through 1996. In turn, Wuerffel was 21 ahead of the next-best mark of 101 achieved by both Peyton Manning at Tennessee and Chris Leak at Florida. To look at it another way, Tebow accounted for 50 percent more TDs in his career than all but three players in SEC history.

Tebow came up one short in pursuit of the NCAA record of 146 shared by Colt Brennan (Hawaii, 2005-07) and Graham Harrell (Texas Tech, 2005-08). However, Central Michigan QB Dan LeFevour did break the record by reaching 150 -- 102 passing, 47 rushing and one receiving. LeFevour has been nicknamed "the Tim Tebow of the MAC." Maybe Tebow should be "the Dan LeFevour of the SEC."

Touchdowns: By running for 14 TDs in 2009, Tebow broke this career record, too. He finished with 57 -- four more than Kevin Faulk scored LSU from 1995 through 1998. Faulk scored 53 TDs -- 46 runs, four receptions, two punt returns and one kickoff return. Faulk played in 41 games; Tebow in 55.

Naturally, with the most TDs, Tebow has scored more points than any non-kicker in SEC history. He's not the highest-scoring player in SEC, though. He wasn't even the highest-scoring active player in 2009. Tebow's 342 points are good for eighth on the SEC career list behind seven place-kickers, including record-holder Billy Bennett, who scored 409 points for Georgia from 2000 through '03, and Leigh Tiffin, who concluded his collegiate career at Alabama in 2009 with 385 points, the second-most in conference history.

Rushing touchdowns: Another broken record for Tebow. With 57, he has eight more TD runs than any other player in SEC history. Herschel Walker held the SEC record of 49 set for Georgia from 1980 through 1982. Walker carried the ball 302 more times than Tebow.

Rushing yards by a quarterback: Tebow ran for a career-high 910 yards on a career-high 217 carries in 2009 to leave former record-holder Matt Jones behind. Tebow finished with 2,947 rushing yards. Jones ran for 2,535 yards at Arkansas from 2001 through '04. Mississippi State's John Bond (1980-83) is the only other SEC QB with at least 2,000 rushing yards.

Total offense: Tebow became the first SEC player to reach 12,000 yards of total offense in his career. His 2009 total of 3,805 yards passing, rushing and receiving (although he didn't have any receiving) was the fifth-best single-season mark in SEC history and lifted his career figure to 12,232 yards. Tebow's predecessor at Florida, Chris Leak had held the SEC career record with 11,350. Tebow set the league's season mark with 4,181 yards in 2007.

Yards per play: Tebow couldn't catch two other Florida QBs in this category, although he is one of seven players (with at least 900 career plays) to average 7 yards per play. Tebow had 12,232 yards of total offense on 1,687 plays (rushes, passes and receptions combined). That's an average of 7.25 yards per play, the third-best career total in SEC history, but behind the 7.75-yard average of Wuerffel and the 7.35 of Rex Grossman (Florida, 2000-02).

The other players who have averaged gaining more than 7 yards per play are Manning, JaMarcus Russell, Matthew Stafford and Pat Sullivan.

Passing efficiency: Tebow not only set the SEC record for highest career passer rating, he also broke the standing NCAA record. Unfortunately for Tebow, so did another QB -- and by more than Tebow did.

The NCAA measures passing efficiency through a formula that considers completion percentage, yards per pass, touchdowns per pass and interceptions per pass. In that way, passers aren't judged by how much they throw, but by how well they throw.

Tebow's rating of 170.8 surpassed Wuerffel's mark of 163.6 in the SEC record book. It also surpassed the NCAA record of 168.9 set by Boise State's Brian Dinwiddie from 2000 through '03. However, Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, despite (or perhaps because of) missing most of the 2009 season, has a career passer rating of 175.6.

Interception ratio: One reason for Tebow's high passer rating is his low interception ratio. In his career, Tebow threw an interception every 62.2 passes. The SEC divides this record into three categories -- for players with 200, 400 and 600 passing attempts -- and Tebow leads all three. For the highest category, second place belongs to former Kentucky QB Andre Woodson with an interception every 51.1 passes.

Tebow came close, but didn't break the NCAA career record. The NCAA measures interceptions in terms of percent of passes attempted. For Tebow, 1.6 percent of his throws were picked off. The NCAA record of 1.3 percent was set by Billy Volek at Fresno State from 1997 through '99.

Completion percentage: The SEC limits this category to quarterbacks who have completed at least 300 passes, and among that group, Tebow ranked second entering the season and ends his career in the same spot. Tebow completed 213 of his 314 attempts in 2009, a 67.8 percent completion rate. That's the third-best mark in SEC history for QBs who completed at least 200 passes. Tim Couch holds the season record at 72.3 percent at Kentucky in 1998. Tebow finished 0.002 percent behind the second-place mark of 67.836 achieved by Russell at LSU in 2006.

The 2009 performance edged up Tebow's career mark to 66.4 percent, behind only the 67.1 percent of Couch from 1996 through '98 in SEC history.

In a strange twist, Tebow did better an existing NCAA career completion percentage record without breaking the SEC mark. The NCAA divides this record into passers with between 875 and 999 attempts and those with at least 1,000 attempts. The 875-to-999 record had been held by Scott Milanovich, who completed 66.2 percent of his passes from 1992 through '95, so Tebow broke this record. Although, again, he's running second to Bradford, who also is in this category and has a career completion mark of 67.6 percent.

It's a non-record, though, because the player who leads the 1,000-or-more category -- Hawaii's Brennan -- completed 70.4 percent of his passes, better than the record in the category with fewer attempts.

Passing yards: Tebow didn't have a prayer of breaking the SEC career mark of 11,528 yards set by David Greene at Georgia from 2001 through '04. Tebow finished with 9,285, good for 11th in SEC history.

Touchdown passes: Tebow threw 21 TD passes in 2009, his lowest output as a starter. That still moved him into a tie for third on the SEC's all-time list with Leak at 88. With Manning second at 89, Wuerffel's 114 career TD are 25 more than any other SEC player has had.

Tebow holds other SEC and NCAA records not examined here, such as the league's season mark for TD responsibility and NCAA streaks for games with both a passing and rushing TD. And he remains the only player in NCAA history to rush for 20 TDs and pass for 20 TDs in the same season.

He became the second player in SEC history to lead his team in both passing and rushing for three consecutive seasons, the second player in SEC history to lead the conference in passing for three consecutive seasons, and the second player to be chosen as the AP's All-SEC QB for three consecutive seasons.

And while he did not become the second player to win the Heisman Trophy twice or the first player to win the Maxwell Award three times -- as he had a chance to do in 2009 -- he again was selected by the league's coaches as the SEC Offensive Player of the Year (ahead of the 2009 Heisman Trophy winner, Alabama RB Mark Ingram).
So... 2nd highest rated passer in NCAA history. Most TDs by a major-conference player in NCAA history. Most rushing TDs in SEC history. Most yards in SEC history. First sophomore to win the Heisman trophy. 48-7 career record (35-6 as a starter) in the toughest conference in the nation. Once went 13 straight games with both a passing and a rushing TD. First player to top 20 TDs passing and rushing in the same season (actually finished with 30/20). Statistically, he was Sam Bradford as a passer and Shaun Alexander as a rusher.
 
But Tommie Frazier was better than both. Prolly won't win b/c of the fallacy of recency, but Tommie Frazier (in college) was damn near unstoppable.
Fallacy of recency? Try the opposite.Players get "better" the longer they're out of the game, apparently. It's the whole reason many people just blindly assume Larry Bird was the greatest 3-point shooter of all-time when his 3-point shooting percentage ranks 122nd.
You obviously did not watch Larry Bird play. Its not about percentages. More than half the people that are ahead of him are active and have taken half as many shots. Add the fact Bird was not just a three point shooter spotting up while others are doubled. Bird had to take many, many difficult shots with guys in his face. Is Bird best ever? Debatable for sure with guys like Reggie Miller and Ray Allen, but he is always in the discussion regardless of the "122 ranking" you mentioned. I think more people would blindly pick Reggie Miller as best 3-point shooter ever to be honest because he is more "recent". My point however, is recency plays a part in peoples minds and so do stats. I watched everyone of these guys play and for me, Tommie Frazier was the best regardless of what "stats" say. Will some people vote strictly based on stats, probably. Will some people vote for Tebow or Young who never watched Frazier (victim of recency), no doubt. Fallacy of recency plays a big part in the way people view players not just because they are recent, but because of the lack of knowledge of players before them. At the same time, stats play a part in peoples decisions too since many use stats to judge overall greatness.
 
Vince Young is probably the best most dominant college QB I've ever seen.

Tommie Frazier's run vs. Florida is top 3 of best college plays I've seen.

 

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