Vince Young wants out of Tennessee? (1 Viewer)

[dhockster]

Vince Young and a bottle of anti-depressants for ?

Outside of Texas it'd probably be "please take his contract"...I understand. When push comes to shove, I think a Texas team will offer a late pick for him. He'll put fans in the seats there.

Adding Vince Young to either Houston or Dallas would likely create an instant QB controversy in either city. I don't see why either team would want to do that. Both teams are at a quality level they can draw fans by making playoff runs and not needing gimmicks like local college favorites. Both teams have QBs that have shown some promise and that are worth continuing with. And both QBs also have just enough question mark (Schaub health & reads, Romo big game performance) that UT homers could seize to create a QB controversy.I don't see why either team would want to take that on. They would need to be in a situation where they are ready to give up on their current QB. And neither team should be in that position now.

 

[Phurfur]

It sounds like many around here have thrown in the towel on this guy and I think that's a mistake.

During the VY hysteria of his rookie season, I got in many arguments with people that were convinced of VY's inevitable greatness. Now, I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way.

Sure, VY turned into a headcase last season. He can get it turned around. The best pitcher in baseball right now is not too far removed from a battle with depression and a social anxiety disorder that forced to get away from the game entirely for a while.

From the sound of this story, it doesn't sound like VY's really demanding out, he's just stating a desire to play football. If he's going to get it turned around, I'd call that a reasonable start.

I have doubts about VY ever being a great NFL QB, but he's a guy who can win games at this level. There are alot of starting NFL QBs who can't.

I'm not saying I expect him to get it turned around. I have no idea what's going on in his mind or if he's putting in the effort to make it happen. I'm just saying his emotional issues from last season shouldn't prevent that. I scenario in which the aging Collins gets hurt and VY stepping in to have a solid season wouldn't surprise me.

"The best pitcher in baseball" doesn't also have significant questions about his talent. Anytime a QB's best attributes are his "heart" and his "athleticism" rather than his ability to read defenses and accurately throw the damn football to the right receiver, I'd say you're looking at a sea of red flags. How many times do we have to see remarkable physical specimens like Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper and Mike Vick fail as NFL QB's before we learn this lesson?

If you can't run a pro offense as a QB the way it's designed to be run, and do so against pro defenses, and instead you have to fill that void with "heart" or "leadership" and athleticism, you're operating with a very discernible cap to your potential. Yeah, you might lead a team into the playoffs, but you'll never be elite. It just won't happen.

And regarding Young, he's got an additional strike against him given that he's just such a QB, except that he's got emotional problems that undercut his ability to compete and lead, the very strengths he's relying upon to overcome his relative lack of talent in other areas (particularly, between the ears).

As I said, I'm not really a fan of VY as a QB either. I'm just saying it's not unreasonable to think he can come back from his emotional issues of last season.He's a guy who's 18-11 as a starter in his brief NFL career, was also a winner in college and got better as a passer every season in college. He had some emotional issues last season in dealing with his injury, the booing, and possibly other things I don't know about, but he's never otherwise had any major character issues.

I don't love the guy at all, but I wouldn't be ready to give up on him yet either.

Collins was 13-3 last year.

 

[T Bell]

Anytime a QB's best attributes are his "heart" and his "athleticism" rather than his ability to read defenses and accurately throw the damn football to the right receiver, I'd say you're looking at a sea of red flags. How many times do we have to see remarkable physical specimens like Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper and Mike Vick fail as NFL QB's before we learn this lesson?

I wouldn't characterize Cunningham as a failure

Randall was 82-52 as a starter, with 3 seasons in which he accounted for 30+ TD's, not sure where he can be considered a failure. He didn't do it the prototypical way, but he got it done, and won a lot of games doing it. Vick as a failure is questionable as well, as he was 38-28-1 as a starter, and saw some success in the playoffs.

If the benchmarks are going to be wins, and numbers that impress, both have credentials. If the benchmark is going to be championships, well.. the list of failure pocket passers is going to be full of some really good QB's as well.

Flat out, you can't win a championship if your best offensive weapons are your QB's legs because he can't read defenses and run a complex passing offense. It won't happen. Yes, Cunningham and Vick have won games, and their athletic talent has been remarkable, but they ultimately failed - and yes, it's a failure - to win the big one because the offenses they ran were so limited. And a word about win totals - notable about those win differentials is that Cunningham's offense was never the focal point of the teams he played for except for one year . . . when he had a rookie WR on turf named Randy Moss who nobody knew how to cover, and that year alone contributed 14 wins to his +30 win differential. Otherwise he was on Eagles teams known for their defense, teams that could afford better than most to have such a limited offense, but even some of the best Eagles teams in the early 90's couldn't ultimately overcome Cunningham's limitations as a passer. Part of that's not Cunningham's fault - that's what you're going to expect when your best WR is Fred Barnett, and your best offensive weapon, outside of RC, was Keith Jackson.

Ditto Vick, who never had a WR who was any good, and whose best offensive weapon was Warrick Dunn. Vick's teams, too, relied upon solid defense and then took whatever Vick (and practically Vick alone) could offer them on offense.

Again, kudos to those guys for getting everything they could out of their talent - I'm not minimizing that. But you can't compete at the highest level when your offense is what amounts to the NFL version of a cult of personality. It takes a team to win championships in the NFL, and if you're going to be limited on offense then you'd better (in addition to an outstanding defense) at least be able to hand the ball off to a RB who can get 3-4 yards every time, as was the case with the Ravens in 2000 and the Bears in 1985.

That's what I'm talking about when I say those guys ultimately "failed".

 

[trogg78]

Mike Vick will be a starting QB before this guy.

 

[RudeDog]

Anytime a QB's best attributes are his "heart" and his "athleticism" rather than his ability to read defenses and accurately throw the damn football to the right receiver, I'd say you're looking at a sea of red flags. How many times do we have to see remarkable physical specimens like Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper and Mike Vick fail as NFL QB's before we learn this lesson?

I wouldn't characterize Cunningham as a failure

Randall was 82-52 as a starter, with 3 seasons in which he accounted for 30+ TD's, not sure where he can be considered a failure. He didn't do it the prototypical way, but he got it done, and won a lot of games doing it. Vick as a failure is questionable as well, as he was 38-28-1 as a starter, and saw some success in the playoffs.

If the benchmarks are going to be wins, and numbers that impress, both have credentials. If the benchmark is going to be championships, well.. the list of failure pocket passers is going to be full of some really good QB's as well.

Flat out, you can't win a championship if your best offensive weapons are your QB's legs because he can't read defenses and run a complex passing offense. It won't happen. Yes, Cunningham and Vick have won games, and their athletic talent has been remarkable, but they ultimately failed - and yes, it's a failure - to win the big one because the offenses they ran were so limited. And a word about win totals - notable about those win differentials is that Cunningham's offense was never the focal point of the teams he played for except for one year . . . when he had a rookie WR on turf named Randy Moss who nobody knew how to cover, and that year alone contributed 14 wins to his +30 win differential. Otherwise he was on Eagles teams known for their defense, teams that could afford better than most to have such a limited offense, but even some of the best Eagles teams in the early 90's couldn't ultimately overcome Cunningham's limitations as a passer. Part of that's not Cunningham's fault - that's what you're going to expect when your best WR is Fred Barnett, and your best offensive weapon, outside of RC, was Keith Jackson.

Ditto Vick, who never had a WR who was any good, and whose best offensive weapon was Warrick Dunn. Vick's teams, too, relied upon solid defense and then took whatever Vick (and practically Vick alone) could offer them on offense.

Again, kudos to those guys for getting everything they could out of their talent - I'm not minimizing that. But you can't compete at the highest level when your offense is what amounts to the NFL version of a cult of personality. It takes a team to win championships in the NFL, and if you're going to be limited on offense then you'd better (in addition to an outstanding defense) at least be able to hand the ball off to a RB who can get 3-4 yards every time, as was the case with the Ravens in 2000 and the Bears in 1985.

That's what I'm talking about when I say those guys ultimately "failed".

I think you have ultimately failed in your argument

 

[Hawk]

I'd love to see Vince in Dallas. You know Jerry would do it too if Romo struggles this season. Jerry needs to fill that nice expensive new stadium and all those luxury suites, and with the economy, they are not filling as fast as businesses cut back on that type of stuff. Vince in Dallas? That would probably fill them.

Plus Jerry loves the theater of it all. Just watch a couple episodes of Michael Irvin's new reality show and you can easily see that Jerry thrives on publicity...any publicity. He could bring in Vick and Vince both and let them use their legs and compete for the job, that way you keep the same offensive system if the starter gets hurt, and the spectacle would be HUGE! I could see a training camp reality show on Vince vs. Vick to start for the Cowboys. Ha, Jerry would eat that up.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Adding Vince Young to either Houston or Dallas would likely create an instant QB controversy in either city.

Don't be silly. The popularity of a particular player pales in comparison to winning games. VY in Houston might sell tickets...and when Andre Johnson finishes the season with 30 catches for 300 yards and 2 TDs and the Texans finish 5-11, it won't matter in the slightest. Schaub's issue is his health, not his performance. Most often, a backup is SUPPOSED to be a similar player to the starter so that the offense doesn't have to change too much. Granted, Collins and Young could not be more dissimilar but if VY were in Houston and got on the field due to Schaub injury, things would go south in a hurry. That's a passing team that already has a quick back. VY excels in an offense with a power rushing game. He'd be awful in Houston.Dallas makes more sense from the offensive perspective but the reality is that Tony Romo is plenty popular as well and despite a 2008 that was worse then 2007, he clearly has the skills to be an elite producer. If Romo is awful this season, sure they might make a change. But to bring in a player like Young as the "change" would be a massive gamble. Yes, Jones might do it, but I'm not seeing the likelihood.In the event that Young becomes available in the next 18 months, I imagine the only teams that would entertain the thought of him are those willing to "give him a chance to compete" to start as opposed to those that need a rock-solid QB option. Think the Rams, the Redskins, the Panthers or Seahawks if Delhomme/Hass hang it up. His value is at its all time lowest right now. His stellar rookie year was all but forgotten in week 1 of last season. Replacing him with an old journeyman who was able to go 13-3 made a strong argument that "Even if you think Young has talent, he clearly isn't in the league of QBs that can make a talented, veteran team a contender." In the current economic marketplace the only thing that matters is selling tickets. The Cowboys - with a new stadium - have ZERO need for a high priced ticket seller, particularly one that could send them spiraling to last place in the NFC East. The Texans MIGHT have a need to sell tickets but I don't think Kubiak has enough slack to "develop" a QB at this point; he needs at least 9 wins this year to keep his job.Keep in mind that in recent years a number of QBs that are proven to be better then VY have been out of work for long stretches.

 

[Da Guru]

I would not compare Cunningham and Young as QBs..although Cunningham was a great runner he is also a much better passer than Young ever will be.

I said it when he was drafted "Vince Young is/was a GREAT college QB"

 

[David Yudkin]

There have been 7 QB with at least 3000 rushing yards . . .

1 Randall Cunningham 4928

Led the Eagles to the playoffs three times and the Vikings to a 15-1 season (only to miss making the SB by a FG). Had playoff games with 330 and 400 yards passing and twice threw for 3 TD in the post season. Sure, he ran the ball but he could still threw it too.

2 Steve Young 4239

Won a SB and went to 3 NFCC games. The didn't win just because of his legs, but Young did gain a decent amount on the ground.

3 Michael Vick 3870

I agree that his receivers has been suspect, but he did lead the Falcons to the playoffs twice even without much help.

4 Fran Tarkenton 3674

Obviously more of a scrambler than a runner, took MIN to 3 SB and a NFCC in a 5-season span.

5 Steve McNair 3602

Went to a SB an an AFCC game.

6 John Elway 3407

Got DEN to 5 Super Bowls, winning 2. ALso made it to the AFCC game another season.

7 Donovan McNabb 3109

Made it to the SB and 4 other NFCC games.

I'm not sure that teams can't win with a mobile/rushing style QB. I don't think that there's been enough of them to come to that conclusion. I personally prefer to watch QBs throw the ball than run it. That to me seems more like a college thing. But if someone came along and won a couple titles, I suspect with the NFL being a copy cat league that other teams might follow suit.

 

[Phurfur]

There have been 7 QB with at least 3000 rushing yards . . .

1 Randall Cunningham 4928

Led the Eagles to the playoffs three times and the Vikings to a 15-1 season (only to miss making the SB by a FG). Had playoff games with 330 and 400 yards passing and twice threw for 3 TD in the post season. Sure, he ran the ball but he could still threw it too.

2 Steve Young 4239

Won a SB and went to 3 NFCC games. The didn't win just because of his legs, but Young did gain a decent amount on the ground.

3 Michael Vick 3870

I agree that his receivers has been suspect, but he did lead the Falcons to the playoffs twice even without much help.

4 Fran Tarkenton 3674

Obviously more of a scrambler than a runner, took MIN to 3 SB and a NFCC in a 5-season span.

5 Steve McNair 3602

Went to a SB an an AFCC game.

6 John Elway 3407

Got DEN to 5 Super Bowls, winning 2. ALso made it to the AFCC game another season.

7 Donovan McNabb 3109

Made it to the SB and 4 other NFCC games.

I'm not sure that teams can't win with a mobile/rushing style QB. I don't think that there's been enough of them to come to that conclusion. I personally prefer to watch QBs throw the ball than run it. That to me seems more like a college thing. But if someone came along and won a couple titles, I suspect with the NFL being a copy cat league that other teams might follow suit.

The pass first run second QBs are the most successful. Vick was a run first QB, he felt more comfortable running than passing.I don't agree his WRs were suspect, Vick was the one who brought them down. Roddy White's numbers more than doubled as soon a Vick left.

 

[David Yudkin]

The pass first run second QBs are the most successful. Vick was a run first QB, he felt more comfortable running than passing.I don't agree his WRs were suspect, Vick was the one who brought them down. Roddy White's numbers more than doubled as soon a Vick left.

White was the 4th or 5th receiving option . . . as a rookie. The next year, he moved up to the 3rd receiving option. In both those seasons, he was targeted 64-68 times.With Vick out on suspension, White jumped to the #1 receiving option in both 2007 and 2008. His targets jumped to 137 and 148 in those years.Of course his numbers doubled. His targets increased by more than double.I'm not sure that had much to do with Vick, although I'm sure you will say look how well White did in his 3rd or 4th years. Maybe he was learning the game. Maybe they changed coaches. Maybe they changed the offense. Maybe they changed personnel. (They did all of those.)I still don't think Vick had a ton to work with. I don't think Vick was a great passer, but his receiving targets were nothing to write home about.

 

[Phurfur]

The pass first run second QBs are the most successful. Vick was a run first QB, he felt more comfortable running than passing.

I don't agree his WRs were suspect, Vick was the one who brought them down. Roddy White's numbers more than doubled as soon a Vick left.

White was the 4th or 5th receiving option . . . as a rookie. The next year, he moved up to the 3rd receiving option. In both those seasons, he was targeted 64-68 times.With Vick out on suspension, White jumped to the #1 receiving option in both 2007 and 2008. His targets jumped to 137 and 148 in those years.

Of course his numbers doubled. His targets increased by more than double.

I'm not sure that had much to do with Vick, although I'm sure you will say look how well White did in his 3rd or 4th years. Maybe he was learning the game. Maybe they changed coaches. Maybe they changed the offense. Maybe they changed personnel. (They did all of those.)

I still don't think Vick had a ton to work with. I don't think Vick was a great passer, but his receiving targets were nothing to write home about.

You forgot, maybe Vick sucks as a QB. How many excuses do you want to give this Pop Warner QB.

 

[David Yudkin]

You forgot, maybe Vick sucks as a QB. How many excuses do you want to give this Pop Warner QB.

Hey, I'm no fan of Vick as an NFL QB. I owned him as a fantasy QB but certainly not for his passing. BUT I think his set of circumstances did not help any.Vick had to deal with 3 head coaches and 3 offensive coorindators in basically 4 years as a starter, not counting the year he missed almost the entire year with a broken bone.The Falcons burned through a bunch of receivers, many of whom were retreads from many other teams and already well into their 30s. I'm not sure I would say any of the following were earth shattering talents:Terance Mathis, Tony Martin, Shawn Jefferson, Willie Jackson, Brian Finneran, Peerless Price, Dez White, Michael Jenkins, and Ashley Lelie. How many of them were in great demand from other teams and how many of them did anything after they were in Atlanta? I'll give you Roddy White as a receiving talent, but the other guys are all pretty meh.So IMO, all those changes across the years certainly did not aid in Vick's development. At best Vick may have become an average passing QB, and that may have been enough to make the Falcons a more competitive team (and a big fantasy prodcuer). Clearly we will never know what could have been, but that never materialized and Vick can only be viewed as a bottom tier passing QB based on his track record.

 

[firstseason1988]

Anyone who doesn't think Vince Young has a strong or accurate arm has not watched him throw or doesn't know what they are talking about.

Vince being weak at reading defenses and making accurate reads, there is some substance there.

Can and will he improve? I think no doubt.

He was handcuffed by a weak offensive scheme and poor position players his rookie season and had his issues last season. He will get his shot this year. He has more surrounding talent and something to prove.

 

[KenM746003]

There's no question that VY is an idiot. I'd like to see a Celebrity Jeopardy showdown between Vince and Derrick Rose. I think -1500 would take it...

However, VY did not have ANY weapons when he was QB. I don't think you can ignore the impact of Chris Johnson on the offense - the guy is a stud.

Collins is just managing the game, and I think you could put any number of QB's in that position and they would fare as well. COULD VY do it? I'm sure he could. WOULD VY do it? That's the big question. He seems more of an all about me guy. Is he willing to take a back seat and "manage the game"? Not that this is necessarily a good thing.

Personally, I'm not a big believer in the "manage the game" QB philosophy after watching the Bears use it for . . . ever.

But I am biased - I have VY in my dynasty league. It's funny how your opinion changes when you have a guy, holding on to that last shred of hope that they will all of a sudden blossom into that huge talent.

 

[Bri]

Vince Young and a bottle of anti-depressants for ?

Outside of Texas it'd probably be "please take his contract"...I understand. When push comes to shove, I think a Texas team will offer a late pick for him. He'll put fans in the seats there.

Adding Vince Young to either Houston or Dallas would likely create an instant QB controversy in either city. I don't see why either team would want to do that. Both teams are at a quality level they can draw fans by making playoff runs and not needing gimmicks like local college favorites. Both teams have QBs that have shown some promise and that are worth continuing with. And both QBs also have just enough question mark (Schaub health & reads, Romo big game performance) that UT homers could seize to create a QB controversy.I don't see why either team would want to take that on. They would need to be in a situation where they are ready to give up on their current QB. And neither team should be in that position now.

In Tennessee (IMO) there's no threat of him starting over the starting QB(Kerry). He's the backup whether he likes it or not. He might as well start begging for some gimmick plays if he insists on being a key on the field contributor.In Houston or Dallas, if you think they don't have the same confidence in Romo and Schaub well then that's a very good point you made above.If they do have that confidence, I don't see why they couldn't bring most any non-NFL starter in to be a backup.

 

[cstu]

ETA: I don't have his cap number, but I am under the impression many of these rookie contracts are front loaded due to signing bonuses, incentives, etc. which most of that money would already be passed at this point. Does anyone know what he counts against the cap?

Young signed a six-year, $58 million contract in 2006. The deal contains $25.74 million guaranteed, including a $2.64 million signing bonus and a $12.3 million option bonus in the second year. Salaries: 2009: $2.16 million, 2010: $7.5 million (+ $4.25 million roster bonus), 2011: $8.5 million (+ $4.25 million roster bonus). Cap charges: $4.62 million (2009), $14.21 million (2010), $15.21 million (2011).

The Titans are going to be hard-pressed to pay Vince that money next year and I don't see a team being interested in trading for that contract either.

 

[GregR_2]

You forgot, maybe Vick sucks as a QB. How many excuses do you want to give this Pop Warner QB.

Hey, I'm no fan of Vick as an NFL QB. I owned him as a fantasy QB but certainly not for his passing. BUT I think his set of circumstances did not help any.Vick had to deal with 3 head coaches and 3 offensive coorindators in basically 4 years as a starter, not counting the year he missed almost the entire year with a broken bone.The Falcons burned through a bunch of receivers, many of whom were retreads from many other teams and already well into their 30s. I'm not sure I would say any of the following were earth shattering talents:Terance Mathis, Tony Martin, Shawn Jefferson, Willie Jackson, Brian Finneran, Peerless Price, Dez White, Michael Jenkins, and Ashley Lelie. How many of them were in great demand from other teams and how many of them did anything after they were in Atlanta? I'll give you Roddy White as a receiving talent, but the other guys are all pretty meh.So IMO, all those changes across the years certainly did not aid in Vick's development. At best Vick may have become an average passing QB, and that may have been enough to make the Falcons a more competitive team (and a big fantasy prodcuer). Clearly we will never know what could have been, but that never materialized and Vick can only be viewed as a bottom tier passing QB based on his track record.

While I'm in agreement that as a complete unit, Vick's receivers were below NFL average.... it seems a little spurious to list so many of his targets and not mention the 4 time Pro Bowler and 2 time All Pro that Vick had to throw to.

 

[FavreCo]

It sounds like many around here have thrown in the towel on this guy and I think that's a mistake.

During the VY hysteria of his rookie season, I got in many arguments with people that were convinced of VY's inevitable greatness. Now, I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way.

Sure, VY turned into a headcase last season. He can get it turned around. The best pitcher in baseball right now is not too far removed from a battle with depression and a social anxiety disorder that forced to get away from the game entirely for a while.

From the sound of this story, it doesn't sound like VY's really demanding out, he's just stating a desire to play football. If he's going to get it turned around, I'd call that a reasonable start.

I have doubts about VY ever being a great NFL QB, but he's a guy who can win games at this level. There are alot of starting NFL QBs who can't.

I'm not saying I expect him to get it turned around. I have no idea what's going on in his mind or if he's putting in the effort to make it happen. I'm just saying his emotional issues from last season shouldn't prevent that. I scenario in which the aging Collins gets hurt and VY stepping in to have a solid season wouldn't surprise me.

"The best pitcher in baseball" doesn't also have significant questions about his talent. Anytime a QB's best attributes are his "heart" and his "athleticism" rather than his ability to read defenses and accurately throw the damn football to the right receiver, I'd say you're looking at a sea of red flags. How many times do we have to see remarkable physical specimens like Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper and Mike Vick fail as NFL QB's before we learn this lesson?

If you can't run a pro offense as a QB the way it's designed to be run, and do so against pro defenses, and instead you have to fill that void with "heart" or "leadership" and athleticism, you're operating with a very discernible cap to your potential. Yeah, you might lead a team into the playoffs, but you'll never be elite. It just won't happen.

And regarding Young, he's got an additional strike against him given that he's just such a QB, except that he's got emotional problems that undercut his ability to compete and lead, the very strengths he's relying upon to overcome his relative lack of talent in other areas (particularly, between the ears).

As I said, I'm not really a fan of VY as a QB either. I'm just saying it's not unreasonable to think he can come back from his emotional issues of last season.He's a guy who's 18-11 as a starter in his brief NFL career, was also a winner in college and got better as a passer every season in college. He had some emotional issues last season in dealing with his injury, the booing, and possibly other things I don't know about, but he's never otherwise had any major character issues.

I don't love the guy at all, but I wouldn't be ready to give up on him yet either.

Collins was 13-3 last year.

Interesting huh? I remember all the Vince Young blabber 2 years ago in the offseason about how he was a winner and how he took Tennessee to an 18-11 record as QB. Here comes old man Collins and he busts off 13-3.....or does it actually have something to do with the defense and a above average run game. What it means is that with that D and run game, Collins produced far better results as QB.

 

[David Yudkin]

You forgot, maybe Vick sucks as a QB. How many excuses do you want to give this Pop Warner QB.

Hey, I'm no fan of Vick as an NFL QB. I owned him as a fantasy QB but certainly not for his passing. BUT I think his set of circumstances did not help any.Vick had to deal with 3 head coaches and 3 offensive coorindators in basically 4 years as a starter, not counting the year he missed almost the entire year with a broken bone.The Falcons burned through a bunch of receivers, many of whom were retreads from many other teams and already well into their 30s. I'm not sure I would say any of the following were earth shattering talents:Terance Mathis, Tony Martin, Shawn Jefferson, Willie Jackson, Brian Finneran, Peerless Price, Dez White, Michael Jenkins, and Ashley Lelie. How many of them were in great demand from other teams and how many of them did anything after they were in Atlanta? I'll give you Roddy White as a receiving talent, but the other guys are all pretty meh.So IMO, all those changes across the years certainly did not aid in Vick's development. At best Vick may have become an average passing QB, and that may have been enough to make the Falcons a more competitive team (and a big fantasy prodcuer). Clearly we will never know what could have been, but that never materialized and Vick can only be viewed as a bottom tier passing QB based on his track record.

While I'm in agreement that as a complete unit, Vick's receivers were below NFL average.... it seems a little spurious to list so many of his targets and not mention the 4 time Pro Bowler and 2 time All Pro that Vick had to throw to.

Clearly Crumpler was a top flight receiving tight end . . . but I was only talking about his wide receivers.

 

[lod01]

Vince Young is trying his hand at stand up comedy. Not a bad 1st showing.

The Nashville Tennessean reports Titans QB Vince Young doesn't know when he'll start an NFL game again, but he's established some lofty goals for himself. "I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young says in the September issue of Esquire. "And I will be in the Hall of Fame."

He could be right. For that statement, he could immediately get elected into the Stand Up Comedians Hall of Fame.

 

[FUBAR]

Vince Young is trying his hand at stand up comedy. Not a bad 1st showing.

The Nashville Tennessean reports Titans QB Vince Young doesn't know when he'll start an NFL game again, but he's established some lofty goals for himself. "I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young says in the September issue of Esquire. "And I will be in the Hall of Fame." :(

He could be right. For that statement, he could immediately get elected into the Stand Up Comedians Hall of Fame.

The Super Bowl is well within reach. Maybe he'll even get in on a wildcat formation.

 

[Adebisi]

Vince Young is trying his hand at stand up comedy. Not a bad 1st showing.

The Nashville Tennessean reports Titans QB Vince Young doesn't know when he'll start an NFL game again, but he's established some lofty goals for himself. "I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young says in the September issue of Esquire. "And I will be in the Hall of Fame."

He could be right. For that statement, he could immediately get elected into the Stand Up Comedians Hall of Fame.

The Super Bowl is well within reach. Maybe he'll even get in on a wildcat formation.

I think the Titans take a big step back this year, regardless of who's at QB.

 

[lod01]

Vince Young is trying his hand at stand up comedy. Not a bad 1st showing.

The Nashville Tennessean reports Titans QB Vince Young doesn't know when he'll start an NFL game again, but he's established some lofty goals for himself. "I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young says in the September issue of Esquire. "And I will be in the Hall of Fame."

He could be right. For that statement, he could immediately get elected into the Stand Up Comedians Hall of Fame.

The Super Bowl is well within reach. Maybe he'll even get in on a wildcat formation.

He won't be the one that wins it for them. If he gets in there as QB, you can count on them failing miserably.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Vince Young is trying his hand at stand up comedy. Not a bad 1st showing.

The Nashville Tennessean reports Titans QB Vince Young doesn't know when he'll start an NFL game again, but he's established some lofty goals for himself. "I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young says in the September issue of Esquire. "And I will be in the Hall of Fame."

He could be right. For that statement, he could immediately get elected into the Stand Up Comedians Hall of Fame.

The Super Bowl is well within reach. Maybe he'll even get in on a wildcat formation.

He won't be the one that wins it for them. If he gets in there as QB, you can count on them failing miserably.

That's a bit harsh don't you think? He's done nothing but win on every level. He has a NCAA title, ROY award, and a winning record as an NFL QB while taking his team to the playoffs. While he might have some maturity issues, he's still a winner.

 

[Phurfur]

Vince Young is trying his hand at stand up comedy. Not a bad 1st showing.

The Nashville Tennessean reports Titans QB Vince Young doesn't know when he'll start an NFL game again, but he's established some lofty goals for himself. "I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young says in the September issue of Esquire. "And I will be in the Hall of Fame."

He could be right. For that statement, he could immediately get elected into the Stand Up Comedians Hall of Fame.

The Super Bowl is well within reach. Maybe he'll even get in on a wildcat formation.

He won't be the one that wins it for them. If he gets in there as QB, you can count on them failing miserably.

That's a bit harsh don't you think? He's done nothing but win on every level. He has a NCAA title, ROY award, and a winning record as an NFL QB while taking his team to the playoffs. While he might have some maturity issues, he's still a winner.

Colllins was 13-3 on that same team.

 

[Tanner9919]

Here's the snippet I saw on rotoworld.com:

Vince Young told WMAR-TV in Baltimore Monday that he wants a chance to play, or out of Tennessee.

Young lost his starting job to Kerry Collins last year when he struggled horribly in new coordinator Mike Heimerdinger's offense, then sprained his MCL in Week 1. "If them guys don’t want me to be in there, it’s time for me to make a career change," he said. "I’m ready to play ball. If they’re not ready for me to play ball, then somebody is." The Titans say V.Y. will compete in camp, but he'd have to outplay Collins by a huge margin to regain the position.

Audio of Vince claiming this through WMAR-TV

Vince Young just needs to shut up already...it's worse than listening to a 2-yr old crying for attention..too bad the arena league folded, he might've thrown a few TD's...

too bad Euro Football is dead, too..

well, heck,there's always Canada!!

nothing like a never-has-been acting like a hall of famer talking about himself like he's Joe Montana..

 

[Adebisi]

Vince Young is trying his hand at stand up comedy. Not a bad 1st showing.

The Nashville Tennessean reports Titans QB Vince Young doesn't know when he'll start an NFL game again, but he's established some lofty goals for himself. "I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young says in the September issue of Esquire. "And I will be in the Hall of Fame."

He could be right. For that statement, he could immediately get elected into the Stand Up Comedians Hall of Fame.

The Super Bowl is well within reach. Maybe he'll even get in on a wildcat formation.

He won't be the one that wins it for them. If he gets in there as QB, you can count on them failing miserably.

That's a bit harsh don't you think? He's done nothing but win on every level. He has a NCAA title, ROY award, and a winning record as an NFL QB while taking his team to the playoffs. While he might have some maturity issues, he's still a winner.

Really? Vince Young has done "nothing but win?" You can't think of anything else that he's been through since arriving in the NFL?

 

[BigJim®]

Vince Young is trying his hand at stand up comedy. Not a bad 1st showing.

The Nashville Tennessean reports Titans QB Vince Young doesn't know when he'll start an NFL game again, but he's established some lofty goals for himself. "I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young says in the September issue of Esquire. "And I will be in the Hall of Fame."

He could be right. For that statement, he could immediately get elected into the Stand Up Comedians Hall of Fame.

The Super Bowl is well within reach. Maybe he'll even get in on a wildcat formation.

He won't be the one that wins it for them. If he gets in there as QB, you can count on them failing miserably.

That's a bit harsh don't you think? He's done nothing but win on every level. He has a NCAA title, ROY award, and a winning record as an NFL QB while taking his team to the playoffs. While he might have some maturity issues, he's still a winner.

Colllins was 13-3 on that same team.

I'd love elaboration of this comment. It's utterly impossible for Vince to have had a winning record on the same team Kerry Collins went 13-3 with. For starters, the Titans were coming off a 4-12 season when Vince won ROY, and Collins was leading a playoff team which added Chris Johnson.

 

[sho nuff]

Look, I think people are taking his latest comments a bit out there.

Is it bad for a guy to show he has some confidence? That even after his own issues last year he is still back working.

Fisher seemed ok with what the guy said...why should we whine about it?

 

[Knobs]

Look, I think people are taking his latest comments a bit out there.Is it bad for a guy to show he has some confidence? That even after his own issues last year he is still back working. Fisher seemed ok with what the guy said...why should we whine about it?

Outside of Green Bay and Favre stuff, you're pretty good at this whole internets and Shark Pool thing.

 

[firstseason1988]

Look, I think people are taking his latest comments a bit out there.Is it bad for a guy to show he has some confidence? That even after his own issues last year he is still back working. Fisher seemed ok with what the guy said...why should we whine about it?

As a Texas-ex, season ticket holder, big Vince Young fan, I wish he would do his talking on the field. It bothers me that he doesn't have better guidance. He will definitely be the starter at some point this year, no way Collins can make it 16 again with no injuries.

 

[sho nuff]

Look, I think people are taking his latest comments a bit out there.Is it bad for a guy to show he has some confidence? That even after his own issues last year he is still back working. Fisher seemed ok with what the guy said...why should we whine about it?

As a Texas-ex, season ticket holder, big Vince Young fan, I wish he would do his talking on the field. It bothers me that he doesn't have better guidance. He will definitely be the starter at some point this year, no way Collins can make it 16 again with no injuries.

I agree...Id love for him to show more on the field. Show he has matured...work hard...don't make much noise and just show us.But Im not going to fault the guy for being confident and act as if he is just talking trash.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

You'll see him play tonight from the 3rd series through the 3rd quarter is what I'm told, so we'll see what's up.

 

[Andy Herron]

You'll see him play tonight from the 3rd series through the 3rd quarter is what I'm told, so we'll see what's up.

Jeff Fisher announced his rough plan for the game: Kerry Collins will play a few series, and Vince Young will take over after that into the third quarter.Patrick Ramsey will go next, and Chris Mortensen's son Alex could get a few snaps.It's a key preseason for Young to stabilize his status with the team and within the league. If he falters, there are many in Tennessee (as well as myself) that believe Ramsey could pass Young on the depth chart. NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora said something similar Friday.