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bryhamm
Footballguy
AllVolUT
Footballguy
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
He threw very few passes. I was there. If you didn't watch it, all you see is a number.He had a 46 yarder taken away by a bogus offensive pass interference call. Ben Troupe lost a wide open, all alone fade in the end zone in the sun. Then, on back to back plays, VY throws what would be 2 sure TD passes that hit their target in the chest but both were dropped.He didn't have that bad of a day -- Titans just didn't need him throwing.
MCguidance
Footballguy
That is encouraging, but jesus, he is still killing me
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
Noticed he's still sitting at #5 in the dynasty QB rankings. Tough to justify him that high IMO.
We're seeing last year's QB class come back to reality a little bit after they were overrated following their first season. I figure 1-2 of the top three will eventually become quality starters, but I don't know that there's an FF star in the bunch.
Anyhow, Young is poison if you're starting him right now. I wouldn't give Roethlisberger, Brees, or McNabb for him. I think you can make a very strong case for Cutler, Schaub, Manning, Bulger, and maybe Hasselbeck over VY. The real problem with his dynasty ranking is that it leaves no margin for error. Ranking guys at their upside is a good way to end up with a lot of busts on your roster.
We're seeing last year's QB class come back to reality a little bit after they were overrated following their first season. I figure 1-2 of the top three will eventually become quality starters, but I don't know that there's an FF star in the bunch.
Anyhow, Young is poison if you're starting him right now. I wouldn't give Roethlisberger, Brees, or McNabb for him. I think you can make a very strong case for Cutler, Schaub, Manning, Bulger, and maybe Hasselbeck over VY. The real problem with his dynasty ranking is that it leaves no margin for error. Ranking guys at their upside is a good way to end up with a lot of busts on your roster.
AllVolUT
Footballguy
After living in Knoxville and hearing my buddies from Nashville quoting VY as 'the next coming', I just get sick and tired of it. I am not a basher, but am tired of the hype that surrounds him. Is he a good QB? Sure. Is he the next coming? IMO, no.That being said, from a fantasy perspective VY should not be a viable option.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
always been on the overrated bandwagon
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
Yes, overrated. He has no idea what he's looking at before he throws the ball.
Nobody gets more of a free pass from the media than Vince Young. Look at Chad Pennington's numbers in comparison to Vince Young's.
"Vince is a winner," they'll say. If that's true, everybody should be trying to trade for Rex Grossman. He won a heckuva lot of games in college and in the pros.
Ultimately, the Titans aren't going to be in any danger of contending for a Super Bowl anytime soon if Young continues to throw for less than 125 yards per game started. That Titans defense is stout, though, and has led them to some pleasant wins this year.
In a fantasy context, if you drafted Vince Young, Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush under some sort of "2006 draft young guns" theory, you have likely had a terrible year.
FBG predicted 236 for 435 for 2,671 yards with 16 TD passing to 16 INTS and 585 yards with 6 TDs rushing for Vince Young. That put him as the 8th best QB, according to FBG, heading into my draft and the 47th player overall. It goes without saying, he's not on pace for that and I'm glad I didn't draft him.
Jeff Garcia incidentally was slotted at QB26 and Tony Romo was slotted at QB9 by FBG.
The NFL hype machine is an intentional entity made to sell cheap textiles to its loyal fans at huge markups, and that machine affects all of us. Paying attention to its various constructs displayed through the NFL's various "partners" won't help you win your fantasy league.
Nobody gets more of a free pass from the media than Vince Young. Look at Chad Pennington's numbers in comparison to Vince Young's.
"Vince is a winner," they'll say. If that's true, everybody should be trying to trade for Rex Grossman. He won a heckuva lot of games in college and in the pros.
Ultimately, the Titans aren't going to be in any danger of contending for a Super Bowl anytime soon if Young continues to throw for less than 125 yards per game started. That Titans defense is stout, though, and has led them to some pleasant wins this year.
In a fantasy context, if you drafted Vince Young, Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush under some sort of "2006 draft young guns" theory, you have likely had a terrible year.
FBG predicted 236 for 435 for 2,671 yards with 16 TD passing to 16 INTS and 585 yards with 6 TDs rushing for Vince Young. That put him as the 8th best QB, according to FBG, heading into my draft and the 47th player overall. It goes without saying, he's not on pace for that and I'm glad I didn't draft him.
Jeff Garcia incidentally was slotted at QB26 and Tony Romo was slotted at QB9 by FBG.
The NFL hype machine is an intentional entity made to sell cheap textiles to its loyal fans at huge markups, and that machine affects all of us. Paying attention to its various constructs displayed through the NFL's various "partners" won't help you win your fantasy league.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
me too... but even I didn't forsee this, wow....
MCguidance
Footballguy
This is no way endorsing Young, but I have a question for you all smart guys out there.
Can we expect a bump in production with a potential problem at RB? For instance, Henry is now being suspended for 4 games, Chris Brown is banged up, and White may actually be dinged as well (hoping for you LW owners its not turf toe). WIll they have to pass more? Will Vince have to run more? Curious as to what you think...
*Yes, I know it depends on White's status, but please try and get past that for arguments sake*
Can we expect a bump in production with a potential problem at RB? For instance, Henry is now being suspended for 4 games, Chris Brown is banged up, and White may actually be dinged as well (hoping for you LW owners its not turf toe). WIll they have to pass more? Will Vince have to run more? Curious as to what you think...
*Yes, I know it depends on White's status, but please try and get past that for arguments sake*
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[scooter]
Footballguy
There's a lot of speculation and "what ifs" in this post. Henry will definitely play this week, so by the time he actually gets suspended -- IF he gets suspended -- Brown and White could be at 100%.
LayinTheSmackDown
Footballguy
Got a bad feeling that we could be calling Young..Vick Part II. Maybe too early and a bit premature to make that statement but until he makes the decision that he wants to become a good passer like McNabb ended up doing...then i see Young being just like Vick. Great athlete that played the QB position rather than a Great QB.
Red Apples
Footballguy
vice young will never be any better than steve mcnair
-OZ-
Footballguy
It could be that I didn't watch too many Florida games while he was there, but I don't recall him completely taking over games like VY has.
If you're in a position to draft those 3 in 06 in a dynasty, your team probably wasn't good and rebuilding takes time. If this is a redraft you're referring to, that theory is asinine. Either way, nobody should expect to win a whole lot if their team is heavy on 2nd year players. Sure, sometimes rookies or 2nd year players can be a strong part of the team (Peterson, Colston, etc.) but they shouldn't be drafted as high and be as much of a focal point as they would have to be to take all 3 of those.
Did you foresee Garcia doing this well? Many of us predicted better things for VY this year, but that doesn't mean we didn't see the risk. Good for you for not drafting him. I'll keep him in my dynasty league.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It depends if you want to win or not. Young was cut in my 12 team league this week.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
One of my worst picks in recent memory. I do take full responsibilty for my actions but my VBD sheet had him at #4 QB 
that wouldn't explain why Collins threw so much in Vince's absence or why they even bother having a guy like Norm Chow running the O. "I just knew it" when Collins took over and......Fisher needs to let his young QB throw some more, take the reins off. They obviously have the plays and the WRs caught Collins' passes.
PantherPower
Footballguy
good thread. I have an offer right now that I just don't think I can pull the trigger, because I worry about Young's long term potential. I've been offered Young, Gore, late 2008 1st rounder for Brees and Maroney.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
The honeymoon for Vince Young is over. It didn't take long for the NFL to figure out how to keep him in the pocket and ultimately make him ineffective.
Thus far this season, he has totaled 140 yrds. rushing with a 3.6 yrd. avg. and 1 TD.
While his completion percentage is around 61%, his yrds. per attempt is at 5.8. Pretty lousy. He's dinking and dunking. 3 TDs, 6 Ints.
Still making bad decisions.
The Titans have no choice but to run the football, limit Young's passing attempts(21.3 per game), and play tough defense in order to try to win games.
There are those who would make the argument that he doesn't really have any prolific WRs, which is a valid point, but that doesn't improve his accuracy woes.
I'm far from a believer. I'd much rather have Cutler or Clemens from that 2006 class. Undecided on Leinart.
Thus far this season, he has totaled 140 yrds. rushing with a 3.6 yrd. avg. and 1 TD.
While his completion percentage is around 61%, his yrds. per attempt is at 5.8. Pretty lousy. He's dinking and dunking. 3 TDs, 6 Ints.
Still making bad decisions.
The Titans have no choice but to run the football, limit Young's passing attempts(21.3 per game), and play tough defense in order to try to win games.
There are those who would make the argument that he doesn't really have any prolific WRs, which is a valid point, but that doesn't improve his accuracy woes.
I'm far from a believer. I'd much rather have Cutler or Clemens from that 2006 class. Undecided on Leinart.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I've rolled with him far too long, its Josh McCown time now 
So play Vince, he'll blow up on my bench.
So play Vince, he'll blow up on my bench.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Exactly...as usual, lots of guys posting idiotic crap about VY without actually watching the games or having any idea why the numbers are the way they are. It's no accident the Titans can run the ball since Young got to Tennessee but couldn't before. It's also completely in Fish's nature to only pass when absolutely necessary, esp with a 2nd year qb...any 2nd year qb...and esp when his def is playing this well. This offense is extremely, unbelievably conservative and is devoid of threats outside VY. I'm sorry VY isn't doing your fantasy team any good, but they're doing what they think they need to do to win. Besides, many of us, even VY's fans, were saying all offseason that he wouldn't be putting up up much in the way of stats this year. Titans are 5-2 and VY is something like 12-7 as a starter. I'd say they're getting exactly what they want out of him, regardless of his fantasy value.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
They need to throw more when Collins is in for the same reason Texas needs to throw more now. There's one less running threat on the field to keep the LBs and DEs honest for the RBs. With Collins in the game, the LBs can key on the RB and come downhill at him at the snap. With Young in there they have to hold for a count, giving the RBs a big boost.
I don't think he needs to run THAT much, but he def needs to run more. It seems someone is discouraging him from running, as he's passing up obvious chances in favor of looking for a receiver. Chow needs to let Vince be be a little more "Vince".
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MCguidance
Footballguy
Anyone STARTING him?
matuski
Footballguy
In other words they don't respect VY's throwing ability and que on the run.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Actually, Fish lives to run the ball and control the clock...a value I love in a coach. Defenses have absolutely zero respect for Collins as a runner, so they must pass more with him in there to keep the defense somewhat honest. If the defense didn't respect Young's passing, he could light them up. Also, if they've been queing so much much on the run, as you suggest, then why are the Titans destroying teams via the run game?
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yes.... more in hope than expectation
MCguidance
Footballguy
What are your other options? Not hijacking, just curious as to what you value him over...yes.... more in hope than expectation
Warner @ TBI'll be happy with 125+ passing.. 20+ yds rushing and a TD (no turnovers) from Young vs Panthers ... which is about 11 points in our scoring system... I expect similar from Warner. I am really sticking VY in there as he was a higher pick and I don't him to be on my bench when (if) he finally puts up decent fantasy numbers.What are your other options? Not hijacking, just curious as to what you value him over...yes.... more in hope than expectation
Actually considered going with VY (bounce mentality) over Big Ben. VY was my starter until the quad injury. Since then, I've been won over by Pitt's seemingly new philosophy of 50/50 split run/throw. Add to that, it's Monday night IN Pitt AND I'm still waiting for VY to show me that his feet can work like they did last year - and I have to stick with Big Ben...for now.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I have a decision to make then...I was set against him starting. I only have McCown, so now I am questioning whether that is a good move for the reason you stated. I keep putting him in there, and keep telling myself I will never do that again. So we'll see.Warner @ TBI'll be happy with 125+ passing.. 20+ yds rushing and a TD (no turnovers) from Young vs Panthers ... which is about 11 points in our scoring system... I expect similar from Warner. I am really sticking VY in there as he was a higher pick and I don't him to be on my bench when (if) he finally puts up decent fantasy numbers.What are your other options? Not hijacking, just curious as to what you value him over...yes.... more in hope than expectation
Starting VY over anyone is a tough call. He'll never put up huge passing numbers but does have the potential to take off with his legs and is a threat to score when the Titans get down close both running and passing the ball. Projecting when his 'good' games will happen though is a crapshoot. As I said, I like him better than Warner this week but I'm making that decision fully aware that it could come back and bite me on the ###. Good luck with whoever you choose.I have a decision to make then...I was set against him starting. I only have McCown, so now I am questioning whether that is a good move for the reason you stated. I keep putting him in there, and keep telling myself I will never do that again. So we'll see.Warner @ TBI'll be happy with 125+ passing.. 20+ yds rushing and a TD (no turnovers) from Young vs Panthers ... which is about 11 points in our scoring system... I expect similar from Warner. I am really sticking VY in there as he was a higher pick and I don't him to be on my bench when (if) he finally puts up decent fantasy numbers.What are your other options? Not hijacking, just curious as to what you value him over...yes.... more in hope than expectation
You do realize this is a FF forum right? The OP's question was, is he even a decent backup FF QB? No one in here really gives a rats-### if he wins games for TENN. They care how he does in FF.
Are you a Titans fan? If so, I feel sorry for you. Vince Young is a slightly better Kordell Stewart, and he's so overrated you're going to see him there for the next 10 years. Hang in there...
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Yeah, 'cause it sucks being 5-2.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
I wasn't responding to the OP. He has a valid question. I was responding to other posters making baseless football judgements, not FF judgements. If you'd read the whole thread, you could see that.
Good point and I see your point if we weren't talking about 42 yards passing. There's a point there that you pass so little and the Safeties become LBs. So conversely, I'm saying with Young in there it's harder to run.More passing would even things up some. I hear ya but 42 is just too darn low and gives too much advantage to a decent defensive coach. I'm of the it's always best to have a nice pass/run ratio type thinking the announcers are always chatting about. Fisher having em' run it 40 times would be cool if there were more pass attempts but...I'm rambling here
-OZ-
Footballguy
KStew is nowhere near the QB or player, or most importantly, leader, that VY is.That will work in the playoffs.
VY is the better leader by far, I agree.Athletically wise, KS was as good or superior.
As passers, both had/have potential but overall they suck.
Statorama
Footballguy
Isn't too hard to put Matt Schaub on the bench
dancingbones
Footballguy
Rolling the dice with Vince for one more week after picking up the dregs of my leagues WW this week. He's gotta start producing at some point, doesn't he?:crossesfingers:
MCguidance
Footballguy
I cant friggin decide him or McCown.
