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guys. Aside from the talk of how much a poor score means, what's your take on how it happened?
he got 5 points by spelling his name correctly on the test..where the other 1 point came from, I have NO idea..
You would be mistaken. They told me I spelled my name wrong but I was sure it was Vinc Yung.
stuff going on, I'd say it's along a sabotage line that one of the big agents got snubbed and they're showing the local yokels how the game is played. I'd be shocked if that were true, but if we're going conspiracy theory, I'd think you'd have more takers on that line.
Nobody will care about Young's wonderlic after he joins the NFL. Either he produces or he doesn't.
Lose the family friend/agent NOW.
As I posted in the other thread, there is a concept called "FBG's Razor--the most convoluted, complex explanation that requires the complicity of the greatest number of people is the best". FBG's can't accept anything at face value, but have to come up with some conspiracy theory--especially since this is an opportunity to bring down a high profile athelete. 1. The NFL has no incentive to be biased in favor of Vince Young. If he's drafted #2 or #3 and pulls a Ryan Leaf, that doesn't help the NFL.
The NFL appears to be comfortable sticking to the "scoring error, 16 on the retest" story...but BigRed hits the nail on the head. If it was REALLY a scoring error, why doesn't the league a) explain the exact nature of the scoring error [and why it didn't impact any other test] and b) simply rescore the first test versus giving him a new exam.Why?I have no idea if Vick is stupid or can't read. I've never heard him say anything intelligent and he's never read me a story....
They can't very well market him if he can't perform on the field because they covered up a glaring weakness.Also, this doesn't end here. It's not like he is applying to grad school. Every team that is considering drafting Young will closely examine this issue.
Vick scored a 20.
That's the question everyone wants to know, Woodrow. My guess is that it'll be uncovered today. One possibility - What if "re-test" doesn't mean he took the test over again, it means they scored the original test correctly. One thing that gets overlooked is that the reporting standards today with the incredbile push to get the story first often leads to really shoddy journalism. Things get labeled or called not what they are. "re test" when it might have been a "re score could be a case. I have no idea if that's correct, but that's one possibility. And given what I see reported these days, it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case.
If that's the case Joe, then it's a whole different ballgame. I would still be skeptical, but if his original test was re-scored as a 16, I think it's back to being a non-issue for MOST GMs. However, either way, this is bound to create an added layer of uncertainty and risk in VY's evaluation, which could be enough to keep him from being the top 3 pick just about everyone assumes him to be.Ultimately I think as long as he puts on a clinic at his UT Pro Day, he'll be a top 10 pick under any scenario, but I think there's a better than 50/50 chance he falls outside of the top 3.That's the question everyone wants to know, Woodrow. My guess is that it'll be uncovereed today. One possibility - What if "re-test" doesn't mean he took the test over again, it means they scored the original test correctly. One thing that gets overlooked is that the reporting standards today with the incredbile push to get the story first often leads to really shoddy journalism. Things get labeled or called not what they are. "re test" when it might have been a "re score could be a case. I have no idea if that's correct, but that's one possibility. And given what I see reported these days, it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case.
J
This is the sort of info that's going to make it impossible to sweep this under the rug IMHO. Point 1: If the NFL is stating this was a "scoring error" the test itself was legit and should be re-scored accurately... and be made public what the correct score was.
I still have no idea if he is stupid or can readVick scored a 20.
The point of course is that it doesn't matter to the public WHAT he scored. There isn't a single fan that's going to decide next year to cheer for, or against, Young based on his test score. I have a sneaking suspicion jersey color and accomplishment will have a bigger impact on his marketability....
Hi TD,I would say absolutely yes. There are simple test taking techniques that can improve the score these guys post.
Yep, I am beleiving that one. Except for the fact that if that is true, then grade it with the right sheet and state the grade. That excuse is as lame as they come. Whoever came up with that idea definately scored lower than 10 on the wonderlic himself or thinks he can get people dumb enough to believe it.
This, to me, is a valid point.Personally, I don't believe athletes should even be held accountable for their grades. The NCAA is the only legitimate place to groom professional athletes, so, by not allowing them to play against top competition, they are essentially not being allowed to compete at the top level.
I believe that the variations of the tests are commonly available and most legit agents have them. He could have reviewed the questions prior to taking the first test (but apparently did not). So basically he did so prior to the second test. Not sure if that changes anyone's opinion on the matter, but IMO he did not do anything after the first test that was not acceptible prior to taking the first test.If people want to scream that he took an inapproriate mulligan and it gave him an unfair advantage, so be it. He still got a very low score on the retest, and I doubt the reults will impress people even with a score of 16.
Is there? Really?I understand the importance of tests and testing and all but Young was going to go top 6 before this story. Do you really believe he won't go that high if he got a 6? or a 16 or a 26?
I saw one "expert" claim that Young would fall to the 8th overall pick because of the news (I think it was one of the staff guys from USAToday).
I wouldn't be so sure. With the amount of money owners have to shell out for top drafted players, many are knee deep in risk aversion. As I've posted recently, TSN already stated Young was dropping (although few other top notch sources agreed), and some say now it's not a matter of whether his stock is dropping, but how much.So it's far from a given that he's selected in the top 5 or 6 at this point. Plenty of time for that to still change, though, and these things ebb and flow right up until draft day, but this has definitely hurt Young's stock. Whether it actually should or not is a valid question, but the reality is that it's possible he drops past 10 (especially if he doesn't improve his wonderlic and doesn't disway fears about this mechanics).
I would agree with the fact that the higher your score the better your draft position. What I was implying was after attending college you should be able to score much higher than a 6 without much problem, unless you have a severe learning problem or you've been protected because of your status as an athlete. If his score truly was a 6 that is a bad reflection on the University of Texas or any university that is turning out these athletes with very limited intelligence.
Obviously he had an opportunity to study before taking it the first time, and materials are readily available, but he chose not to. It's one thing to give him a second bite at the apple due to a procedural error. It's an entirely different thing to allow him to make up for being unprepared. He should have been forced to retake it in his then existing state of preparedness to make this fair for all who took the test.
Hi bigjim, do you have more information on this about him blowing the test off?For all I know, Young and his famly attorney was shocked they had to take a Wonderlic test.
Hi Bri,By falling in the draft slot. If Young posted a 26, he's probably a sure fire top 3 pick. Now, huge doubts have driven that liklihood down which will likely cost him a lot.
I was in doubt about it at first, but you have to wonder why he would be the only one scored wrong. Now that he has supposedly retaken it and scored a 16 it only reinforces the 6 score IMO. That's the improvement you would expect on a retake since people rarely do worse the second try.However, some people are smart and just don't do well on standardized tests. I've known some very smart people who for whatever reason freeze up under timed written tests. Maybe that's the case with Young. Personally, if I were a team interested in drafting I just put more time into interviewing him and finding out how real world smart he really is.
All I have is what Clayton mentioned on Mike & Mike, and a Profootballtalk.com report that they are attributing to Peter King:KING SAYS VINCE WASN'T READY FOR TEST
