Vincent Jackson drawing interest around the NFL? (1 Viewer)

[Ron_Mexico]

Simply put it is evident from reading the scenerios on this thread

that San Diego would be in a "world of hurt" if they lose Vincent Jackson.

If he somehow gets claimed by another team, I strongly believe

the Chargers will match the offer. I just don't think

San Diego can afford to lose such an important piece to their offense,

and the FO knows it.

 

[EBF]

Floyd had 600 yds and 1 td on an offense that couldn't run. He will be 29 by the time the season starts. Doesn't sound like a whole lotta upside to me.

He actually had 776 yards, and didn't start until week 9. From week 10 forward he had at least 3 catches in every game, and in week 17 went 9-140. With a full year starting, VJax likely to miss the first 4 games due to suspension, and Gates possibly beginning to slow a bit, I think Floyd is a fine bye/injury replacement player. Not going to be a stud, but a solid bench guy to own for the next 1-3 years.

Yeah, he might be a good guy to have on your bench, but I don't think I could ever start him, and with Floyd turning 29 and looking at his body of work, he's not a desirable dynasty player IMO.

I don't think he's anything spectacular either, but I do think it's interesting to compare him to other first year starters at WR:Malcom Floyd - 45 catches, 776 yardsHakeem Nicks - 47 catches, 790 yardsJeremy Maclin - 56 catches, 773 yardsKenny Britt - 42 catches, 701 yardsThe stats are very similar across the board, yet Nicks/Maclin/Britt are frequently top 50 overall picks in current dynasty startups while Floyd regularly falls outside the top 200 picks. It's not hard to understand why. Floyd posted these numbers as a 28 year old veteran with five seasons of experience under his belt whereas the rookies posted these numbers as 21-22 year olds with zero game experience. If you assume that they're going to improve with additional experience, you would expect them to be a lot better in their sixth season than Floyd was. I just think it's interesting that we routinely assume young players will improve while disregarding older players who put up similar stats. In the end I'll be surprised if Floyd ends up being anything more than a bench player in FF leagues, but I don't know that it's completely safe to assume that we've seen his best football. Last year was his first season as a starter. We've seen some pretty good receivers emerge from a journeyman career trajectory to become stars (Horn, Mason, Driver, J. Smith). Granted, Floyd will be the latest bloomer of them all if he accomplishes the feat. My broader point is that it might not be safe to speak about his upside even though he has been in the league for a very long time. He hasn't played much and we don't really know what he's capable of.

 

[Couch Potato]

What would a poison pill look like?

Think of a poison pill as a contractual roofie. The other team doesn't see it coming, can't respond or fight it once it's in the system, and by the time they understand what hit them they've already been screwed.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

been trying to snag Flyod very cheap this offseason (future 3rd or even cheaper) Got him in a few leagues.

the 1st and 3rd tender tells ALOT of what the Chargers FO thinks of him. Not to metion there has been reports out saying he is

possibly there best wr. All though i dont buy it....VJAX is very good. But both are big play wr's and who's to say he doesnt improve

as a STARTER on a pass 1st team.

Super nice dynasty buy considering the cost. (most arent asking a 2nd for him at this time)

 

[Cassius]

Just heard on the radio that the Jets have acquired Vincent Jackson for a 1989 Ken Griffey Jr. Upper Deck rookie card and a tackling dummy. No link yet.

 

[bluesclues]

I think the Pats would be smart to take him away from a contending team in their conference. They could use him to replace Welker for this year and possibly Moss next year and beyond, and they'd still have multiple second rounders this year to move around with.

now wouldn't that be interesting...

Welker is a slot WR.No way would VJAX fit that bill.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I think the Pats would be smart to take him away from a contending team in their conference. They could use him to replace Welker for this year and possibly Moss next year and beyond, and they'd still have multiple second rounders this year to move around with.

now wouldn't that be interesting...

Welker is a slot WR.No way would VJAX fit that bill.

I think Moss and VJax as bookends on the outside would be sick,but with Moss leaving after this season, VJax would be the idealdeep threat to step in without missing a beat.Edelman is the replacement for Welker going forward.In the end, I just don't think San Diego ca afford to lose him.

 

[JohnnyU]

been trying to snag Flyod very cheap this offseason (future 3rd or even cheaper) Got him in a few leagues. the 1st and 3rd tender tells ALOT of what the Chargers FO thinks of him. Not to metion there has been reports out saying he is possibly there best wr. All though i dont buy it....VJAX is very good. But both are big play wr's and who's to say he doesnt improveas a STARTER on a pass 1st team. Super nice dynasty buy considering the cost. (most arent asking a 2nd for him at this time)

I traded him for the 2010 2.11 pick. I don't need him in that league with Wayne, Nicks, Boldin, Britt, M Thomas. He wouldn't sniff my starting lineup. Funny thing is, I was turned down by another owner in the same league where I offered a 3rd and Floyd for a 2011 2nd rd pick. He said, and I paraphrase, "Some may fall for that, but not me".

 

[Gr00vus]

Demetrius Byrd has some potential

The Chargers released him a couple of weeks ago.Jackson isn't going anywhere. Offer sheet deals just don't happen very often.

Except for running back Mike Bell, who has moved from New Orleans to Philadelphia at a price that didn’t obligate the Eagles to surrender any draft choices, no NFL player has changed teams through the offer-sheet route since 2008.

 

[Pots]

Just heard on the radio that the Jets have acquired Vincent Jackson for a 1989 Ken Griffey Jr. Upper Deck rookie card and a tackling dummy. No link yet.

Ooo... that's his best one!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Just heard on the radio that the Jets have acquired Vincent Jackson for a 1989 Ken Griffey Jr. Upper Deck rookie card and a tackling dummy. No link yet.

The Jets overpaid by their standards.

 

[Donnybrook]

A player that smokes a jay in the privacy of his home is only worth a 5th round pick but a player convicted of DUI and still drives on his suspended licence is somehow worth more than a 1st. I guess the lesson here kids is to only abuse legalized drugs.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.

I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.

Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?

It's not just a 1st. There is a new contract and a 3rd as well.

A third rounder is more than likely never going to contribute, and a 1st round WR isn't exactly going to have a cheap contract either. And if he does turn out good (likely several years down the line since it takes a WR a while to develop) he's going to be on the cusp of wanting a new contract himself anyway.Just look at the WRs that have been drafted in the 1st round lately. There are a lot that turned up completely useless. More than turned up useful, by far.

Let's go back a couple years (so we've given the draftees enough time to develop to see if they're any good or not) and look at the teams that drafted WRs in the 1st round and see what they got out of their 1st/3rd round picks. There were no WRs drafted in the 1st round in 2008 so we have to go back to 2007.

2007

Miami: Ted Ginn/Lorenzo Booker

Kansas City: Dwayne Bowe/DeMarcus Tyler

New Orleans: Robert Meachem/Usama Young

San Diego: Craig Davis/Anthony Waters

Indianapolis: Anthony Gonzalez/Dante Hughes

2006

Pittsburgh: Santonio Holmes/Willie Reid

2005

Cleveland: Braylon Edwards/Charlie Frye

Minnesota: Troy Williamson/Dustin Fox

Detroit: Mike Williams/Stanley Wilson

Jacksonville: Matt Jones/Scott Starks

Baltimore: Mark Clayton/Ellis Hobbs (New England picked Hobbs with Baltimore's 3rd round pick)

Atlanta: Roddy White/Jordan Beck

Detroit also took Calvin in '07 but I think it's safe to say no one is going to be giving up the #2 overall pick here (plus Detroit didn't have a 3rd rounder to compare).

So, how many of those duos would you take over a young, established, top WR like V-Jax even considering he'll need a new contract? And, if you would take ANY of them (I wouldn't), how big of an upgrade would you consider that over Vjax when noting that you're putting yourself at risk to end up with one of those Williamson/Fox combos to do it?

I'll be honest. I didn't even read your response.....because you still aren't addressing the largest part of this equation. He's going to command a big fat new contract. So, even if a team thinks he's worth a 1st and a 3rd (I think that he is), the new money on top is the reason this won't happen.

What kind of contract did Crabtree get? Add in the money the 3rd round got and will it approach the contract VJax would get? No offset it by knowing you are getting a really good receiver and isn't it not such a bad deal?I think the fact that SD can match it makes teams less likely to look at it because in general, all it will do is raise salaries and the team trying to get him probably won't.