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Vincent Jackson to the Patriots (I could see that) (1 Viewer)

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I saw that Footballguys had on there newsfeed the Pats could have interest in Vincent Jackson. Does anyone else see this as a real possability? I didn't even think of that. But look at what Vincent Jackson did to the Patriots when they played last year.

10 REC 172 Yars and 2 TD's.

And it's looking more and more like the Chargers will not put the Tag on Vincent Jackson.

 
I read that he was going to give a home town discount to stay with the Chargers.

 
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I just ask this JohnnyU

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:popcorn:
Chargers | Vincent Jackson may take less money to stay Sat Feb 25, 11:42 AMSan Diego Chargers impending free-agent WR Vincent Jackson may be willing to accept less money from the Chargers this offseason but would want at least a three-year deal to stay. The Chargers are believed to be willing to pay Jackson $10 million to $11 million a season on a five-year deal but will allow the free-agent market to set his price. The two sides have met this week but no numbers were discussed during the meeting.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/24/nothing-new-after-chargers-jacksons-agents-meet/

 
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I just ask this JohnnyU

:link:

:popcorn:
Chargers | Vincent Jackson may take less money to stay Sat Feb 25, 11:42 AMSan Diego Chargers impending free-agent WR Vincent Jackson may be willing to accept less money from the Chargers this offseason but would want at least a three-year deal to stay. The Chargers are believed to be willing to pay Jackson $10 million to $11 million a season on a five-year deal but will allow the free-agent market to set his price. The two sides have met this week but no numbers were discussed during the meeting.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/24/nothing-new-after-chargers-jacksons-agents-meet/
After the pissing contest Jackson & AJ Smith had going the past couple years, he's going to give him a hometown discount? I'll believe that when I see it.
 
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I just ask this JohnnyU

:link:

:popcorn:
Chargers | Vincent Jackson may take less money to stay Sat Feb 25, 11:42 AMSan Diego Chargers impending free-agent WR Vincent Jackson may be willing to accept less money from the Chargers this offseason but would want at least a three-year deal to stay. The Chargers are believed to be willing to pay Jackson $10 million to $11 million a season on a five-year deal but will allow the free-agent market to set his price. The two sides have met this week but no numbers were discussed during the meeting.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/24/nothing-new-after-chargers-jacksons-agents-meet/
After the pissing contest Jackson & AJ Smith had going the past couple years, he's going to give him a hometown discount? I'll believe that when I see it.
:goodposting: :rolleyes:

 
I just ask this JohnnyU

:link:

:popcorn:
Chargers | Vincent Jackson may take less money to stay Sat Feb 25, 11:42 AMSan Diego Chargers impending free-agent WR Vincent Jackson may be willing to accept less money from the Chargers this offseason but would want at least a three-year deal to stay. The Chargers are believed to be willing to pay Jackson $10 million to $11 million a season on a five-year deal but will allow the free-agent market to set his price. The two sides have met this week but no numbers were discussed during the meeting.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/24/nothing-new-after-chargers-jacksons-agents-meet/
Kevin Acee is kind of like Smith's messenger boy. If there is any rumor/news that Smith wants out there Acee would report it. So, while I would love to see Jackson stay I just view this as something Smith wants out there for justifying the reason SD lets Jackson walk. "We thought he would stay for a discount but then he just went after the big money." That kind of thing.

 
I don't see the Pats going after him, even though it would cost them a first round pick to get Wallace I would rather see them do that instead of signing VJax

 
I'm shocked at the way VJax is willing to hear from San Diego...this guy wanted to test free agency and a lot of fans felt AJ Smith was treating him bad...now suddenly he wants to sign with San Diego...I would think $40m over 4-5 years awaits this guy in free agency for teams with big arm QBs, not sure why he would stay in San Diego.

 
I think the Bears or Vikings are the likely landing spots...Its really hard to see the Pats dishing out 40+ mil for a 29 year old WR.

 
I don't see the Pats ponying up nearly $10 million for Welker and another $10 million a year for Jackson or Wallace. I don't see them spending 17% of their salary cap on 2 receivers when their defense was deplorable.

 
'wdcrob said:
'fruity pebbles said:
Pats already have two good tight ends
They have one great TE, one great slot receiver and some spare parts who feed off those two. A real WR in that offense -- especially a deep threat -- would be unstoppable.
No mention of Hernandez or he is considered "spare parts?"
 
I don't see the Pats ponying up nearly $10 million for Welker and another $10 million a year for Jackson or Wallace. I don't see them spending 17% of their salary cap on 2 receivers when their defense was deplorable.
And Wallace cost a 1st round pick... which BB normally parlays into 17 picks :loco: over the next 5 seasons.
 
I don't see the Pats ponying up nearly $10 million for Welker and another $10 million a year for Jackson or Wallace. I don't see them spending 17% of their salary cap on 2 receivers when their defense was deplorable.
The offense cost them the SB, they have invested in defense heavily the last couple of years so finding a WR that can stretch the D makes all the sense in the world. Additionally, the cap is set to increase quite a bit after next season so your 17% figure is only valid for one year.Now, if they instead make a play for Mario Williams that is fine with me. However, the window to win with Brady still being an elite QB is only a couple of years. Time to go for broke.
 
I don't see the Pats ponying up nearly $10 million for Welker and another $10 million a year for Jackson or Wallace. I don't see them spending 17% of their salary cap on 2 receivers when their defense was deplorable.
The offense cost them the SB, they have invested in defense heavily the last couple of years so finding a WR that can stretch the D makes all the sense in the world. Additionally, the cap is set to increase quite a bit after next season so your 17% figure is only valid for one year.Now, if they instead make a play for Mario Williams that is fine with me. However, the window to win with Brady still being an elite QB is only a couple of years. Time to go for broke.
I agree and disagree on the offense being the reason they lost to the Giants (twice). IMO, the offensive play calling was a bigger culprit than the actual offensive players' performance.Put slightly differently, the Pats scored 513 and 518 points the past two seasons and did not have to spend $20 million on two receivers to do so. It stands to reason that if they took that $10 million (with Welker staying) and invested it on defense that that would better benefit the team. Put slightly differently again, the Pats didn't want to give Randy Moss coming off a record breaking season $10 million a year. I doubt they pay two guys that much in the same season at the same position. If you want to say that that is shortsighted on their part, so be it.
 
Top defenses have consistently shut down the Pat's offense in recent years by jamming their receivers at the line and getting after Brady. As good an offense as they have, they don't have a deep threat and it hurts them against elite defenses. Welker is franchised, they might not agree on a longer term deal so bringing in a #1 WR makes them silly good next year and hedges against Welker walking after next season. If they do sign Welker, I think their limit is probably 3 years at 8M per season.

They hesitated paying Moss because he is a loose cannon more than being afraid of investing that much in the position.

 
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I thought the pats were going after Lloyd?
They are. From what I can tell, the media has been stirring the pot on the Pats looking for a deep threat, big money receiver. NE got lumped into the Wallace picture only because they had two first round picks (theoretically then being able to give one up for Wallace). Coming off the heels of that, now seemingly they are interested in Jackson. If they really wanted him, they could have made a move for him previously when Jackson was holding out and could have been available for a deep discount trade wise. IMO, the Pats will not be making a huge splash to obtain a deep threat in free agency or by trade. If Lloyd would come cheap enough, I think they would sign him. They may also try their hand at drafting another WR . . . but lately that hasn't worked for them at all. As things stand now, it looks like Ochocinco will be back next year (if he rworks his contract).
 
I don't see the Pats ponying up nearly $10 million for Welker and another $10 million a year for Jackson or Wallace. I don't see them spending 17% of their salary cap on 2 receivers when their defense was deplorable.
The offense cost them the SB, they have invested in defense heavily the last couple of years so finding a WR that can stretch the D makes all the sense in the world. Additionally, the cap is set to increase quite a bit after next season so your 17% figure is only valid for one year.Now, if they instead make a play for Mario Williams that is fine with me. However, the window to win with Brady still being an elite QB is only a couple of years. Time to go for broke.
I agree and disagree on the offense being the reason they lost to the Giants (twice). IMO, the offensive play calling was a bigger culprit than the actual offensive players' performance.Put slightly differently, the Pats scored 513 and 518 points the past two seasons and did not have to spend $20 million on two receivers to do so. It stands to reason that if they took that $10 million (with Welker staying) and invested it on defense that that would better benefit the team. Put slightly differently again, the Pats didn't want to give Randy Moss coming off a record breaking season $10 million a year. I doubt they pay two guys that much in the same season at the same position. If you want to say that that is shortsighted on their part, so be it.
I agree about the play-calling...when their offense stalls it usually come down to either that or pressure on Brady...now there's no doubt a WR like Jax or Wallace would be a huge addition for them...it would give them another dimension they don't have (and I'm not going to complain if they do something like that)...that being said I would rather they spend $ on the D and instead of bringing in big money WR's add a couple of Wrs that aren't too expensive but are upgrades over what they had last year ( I.e. Edelman, Ocho, Slater) which was close to nothing...looking at the free-agent WR list names like Wayne, Garcon, Lloyd and Laurent Robinson are all intriguing but somewhat difficult to guess what they will cost...guys that could come somewhat cheap are Doucet, Roscoe Parrish, Eddie Royal and Jerricho Cotchery...a combo of a guy from each group would probably cost a lot less than a Jackson but really upgrade the Pats offense...another guy I would look at is Jabbar Gaffney (it would have to come via trade)...the guy was a real nice fit in the Pats O and you could bring him in and not have to worry about him picking up the offense...
 
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So the Pats are going to pay two WRs top 5 money, when their best playmakers last year were at TE? I'll believe it when I see it.

 
I don't see the Pats ponying up nearly $10 million for Welker and another $10 million a year for Jackson or Wallace. I don't see them spending 17% of their salary cap on 2 receivers when their defense was deplorable.
The offense cost them the SB, they have invested in defense heavily the last couple of years so finding a WR that can stretch the D makes all the sense in the world. Additionally, the cap is set to increase quite a bit after next season so your 17% figure is only valid for one year.Now, if they instead make a play for Mario Williams that is fine with me. However, the window to win with Brady still being an elite QB is only a couple of years. Time to go for broke.
I agree and disagree on the offense being the reason they lost to the Giants (twice). IMO, the offensive play calling was a bigger culprit than the actual offensive players' performance.Put slightly differently, the Pats scored 513 and 518 points the past two seasons and did not have to spend $20 million on two receivers to do so. It stands to reason that if they took that $10 million (with Welker staying) and invested it on defense that that would better benefit the team. Put slightly differently again, the Pats didn't want to give Randy Moss coming off a record breaking season $10 million a year. I doubt they pay two guys that much in the same season at the same position. If you want to say that that is shortsighted on their part, so be it.
I agree about the play-calling...when their offense stalls it usually come down to either that or pressure on Brady...now there's no doubt a WR like Jax or Wallace would be a huge addition for them...it would give them another dimension they don't have (and I'm not going to complain if they do something like that)...that being said I would rather they spend $ on the D and instead of bringing in big money WR's add a couple of Wrs that aren't too expensive but are upgrades over what they had last year ( I.e. Edelman, Ocho, Slater) which was close to nothing...looking at the free-agent WR list names like Wayne, Garcon, Lloyd and Laurent Robinson are all intriguing but somewhat difficult to guess what they will cost...guys that could come somewhat cheap are Doucet, Roscoe Parrish, Eddie Royal and Jerricho Cotchery...a combo of a guy from each group would probably cost a lot less than a Jackson but really upgrade the Pats offense...another guy I would look at is Jabbar Gaffney (it would have to come via trade)...the guy was a real nice fit in the Pats O and you could bring him in and not have to worry about him picking up the offense...
If the Pats do go out and get someone, I don't think it makes much sense to bring in another old, slow, possession type guy. They have had that the past few years. Gaffney was a good fit at the time, but without Moss and Stallworth I am not sure he fits the current make up of the Patriots. The other issue (which we have seen up close and personal) is deciphering who of any of these candidates could master the playbook and gain Brady's trust. IMO, the best option out of all of these could be Randy Moss again if he had an incentive laiden, low cost, easy to cut and not pay him deal. IMO, that makes more sense then spending big money on an in his prime deep threat or a past his prime Ochocinco redux. I doubt that would happen, but Moss for a couple million seems to make more sense to me than some of the other options. Won't happen, but it does make some sense. And I really don't understand why they want Ocho back. He was a waste of time, money, and a roster spot.
 
I don't see the Pats ponying up nearly $10 million for Welker and another $10 million a year for Jackson or Wallace. I don't see them spending 17% of their salary cap on 2 receivers when their defense was deplorable.
The offense cost them the SB, they have invested in defense heavily the last couple of years so finding a WR that can stretch the D makes all the sense in the world. Additionally, the cap is set to increase quite a bit after next season so your 17% figure is only valid for one year.Now, if they instead make a play for Mario Williams that is fine with me. However, the window to win with Brady still being an elite QB is only a couple of years. Time to go for broke.
I agree and disagree on the offense being the reason they lost to the Giants (twice). IMO, the offensive play calling was a bigger culprit than the actual offensive players' performance.Put slightly differently, the Pats scored 513 and 518 points the past two seasons and did not have to spend $20 million on two receivers to do so. It stands to reason that if they took that $10 million (with Welker staying) and invested it on defense that that would better benefit the team. Put slightly differently again, the Pats didn't want to give Randy Moss coming off a record breaking season $10 million a year. I doubt they pay two guys that much in the same season at the same position. If you want to say that that is shortsighted on their part, so be it.
I agree about the play-calling...when their offense stalls it usually come down to either that or pressure on Brady...now there's no doubt a WR like Jax or Wallace would be a huge addition for them...it would give them another dimension they don't have (and I'm not going to complain if they do something like that)...that being said I would rather they spend $ on the D and instead of bringing in big money WR's add a couple of Wrs that aren't too expensive but are upgrades over what they had last year ( I.e. Edelman, Ocho, Slater) which was close to nothing...looking at the free-agent WR list names like Wayne, Garcon, Lloyd and Laurent Robinson are all intriguing but somewhat difficult to guess what they will cost...guys that could come somewhat cheap are Doucet, Roscoe Parrish, Eddie Royal and Jerricho Cotchery...a combo of a guy from each group would probably cost a lot less than a Jackson but really upgrade the Pats offense...another guy I would look at is Jabbar Gaffney (it would have to come via trade)...the guy was a real nice fit in the Pats O and you could bring him in and not have to worry about him picking up the offense...
If the Pats do go out and get someone, I don't think it makes much sense to bring in another old, slow, possession type guy. They have had that the past few years. Gaffney was a good fit at the time, but without Moss and Stallworth I am not sure he fits the current make up of the Patriots. The other issue (which we have seen up close and personal) is deciphering who of any of these candidates could master the playbook and gain Brady's trust. IMO, the best option out of all of these could be Randy Moss again if he had an incentive laiden, low cost, easy to cut and not pay him deal. IMO, that makes more sense then spending big money on an in his prime deep threat or a past his prime Ochocinco redux. I doubt that would happen, but Moss for a couple million seems to make more sense to me than some of the other options. Won't happen, but it does make some sense. And I really don't understand why they want Ocho back. He was a waste of time, money, and a roster spot.
*Agree/disagree about Gaffney...on one hand they do need a different type of WR but on the other hand he's as close to a definite as you can get as far as bringing in someone who won't be lost which is always the tricky part about bringing a WR (which is why Lloyd makes so much sense) ...he was productive in 2006 (i.e. pre-Stallworth and Moss) and I feel he can still add something reliable to this offense but I do agree that they would have to bring in a downfield threat along with him as well...*On paper Moss does make sense but I just get the vibe that they don't want him back...not sure what the real reason is but it seems they have moved on from him...*As for Ocho I have heard that the issue with him is it actually costs less to have him on the team than it does to cut him...regardless, he added zero less year and I don't see that changing should he come back in 2012...
 
I think the Pats will be wise to sign Welker to an attractive deal and keep their cap space to make a run at Mario Williams. I don't see Jackson with the Pats. There's talk of a bunch of teams (9 or 10) having interest in bidding for him. Chicago is making a lot of noise lately.

 
I think the Pats will be wise to sign Welker to an attractive deal and keep their cap space to make a run at Mario Williams. I don't see Jackson with the Pats. There's talk of a bunch of teams (9 or 10) having interest in bidding for him. Chicago is making a lot of noise lately.
I would much rather see the money go to Mario if I had both options.Then go out and sign a guy like Reggie Wayne for a much more reasonable dollar value.
 
Tom Brady may have 1, maybe 2, great seasons left in the tank before he really begins to decline. Why would VJax want to sign a long-term deal in New England when the bulk of that deal might very well be played with some mediocre QB under center?

 
Can they afford to fit both him and Welker under the cap? That's a lot of money tied up in receivers. I would expect them to go after one of the second tier WRs if they get a FA WR.

 
Tom Brady may have 1, maybe 2, great seasons left in the tank before he really begins to decline. Why would VJax want to sign a long-term deal in New England when the bulk of that deal might very well be played with some mediocre QB under center?
$$$
 
Can they afford to fit both him and Welker under the cap? That's a lot of money tied up in receivers. I would expect them to go after one of the second tier WRs if they get a FA WR.
Other than Lloyd, I don't see the Pats looking at a big name FA receiver.
 
I saw that Footballguys had on there newsfeed the Pats could have interest in Vincent Jackson. Does anyone else see this as a real possability? I didn't even think of that. But look at what Vincent Jackson did to the Patriots when they played last year. 10 REC 172 Yars and 2 TD's. And it's looking more and more like the Chargers will not put the Tag on Vincent Jackson.
I remember Hoodie saying that the reason they went and got Welker was because they couldn't cover him. Just sayin' :shrug:
 
I saw that Footballguys had on there newsfeed the Pats could have interest in Vincent Jackson. Does anyone else see this as a real possability? I didn't even think of that. But look at what Vincent Jackson did to the Patriots when they played last year. 10 REC 172 Yars and 2 TD's. And it's looking more and more like the Chargers will not put the Tag on Vincent Jackson.
I remember Hoodie saying that the reason they went and got Welker was because they couldn't cover him. Just sayin' :shrug:
Welker came to the Pats for a lot less money than Jackson would, but since you brought it up, in 5 games against NE, Jackson has put up 27-495-3.
 
Can they afford to fit both him and Welker under the cap? That's a lot of money tied up in receivers. I would expect them to go after one of the second tier WRs if they get a FA WR.
Other than Lloyd, I don't see the Pats looking at a big name FA receiver.
Why do you say the bolded? As a Lloyd dynasty owner I am :popcorn: on that statement.
I guess you haven't been following the past few weeks/months where Lloyd said he wanted to play for McDaniel again . . . and McDaniel ended up as the OC for New England again. He obviously knows and has proven to be productive in the same system and likely will cost less than the Jacksons, Wallaces, and Waynes of the world. It's a perfect fit for everyone involved, with the other team in the mix being the Rams (they likely could afford to pay out more $$$ than NE would).
 
Can they afford to fit both him and Welker under the cap? That's a lot of money tied up in receivers. I would expect them to go after one of the second tier WRs if they get a FA WR.
Other than Lloyd, I don't see the Pats looking at a big name FA receiver.
I bet they take a look at Wayne although the rumor is he's going where Manning goes...Wayne is a very tough guy to predict moneywise...he's 33 and has made some money...he could be looking for one last paycheck, a reunion with Manning or a place where he can win another title...
 
'David Yudkin said:
'Sabertooth said:
'David Yudkin said:
'az_prof said:
Can they afford to fit both him and Welker under the cap? That's a lot of money tied up in receivers. I would expect them to go after one of the second tier WRs if they get a FA WR.
Other than Lloyd, I don't see the Pats looking at a big name FA receiver.
Why do you say the bolded? As a Lloyd dynasty owner I am :popcorn: on that statement.
I guess you haven't been following the past few weeks/months where Lloyd said he wanted to play for McDaniel again . . . and McDaniel ended up as the OC for New England again. He obviously knows and has proven to be productive in the same system and likely will cost less than the Jacksons, Wallaces, and Waynes of the world. It's a perfect fit for everyone involved, with the other team in the mix being the Rams (they likely could afford to pay out more $$$ than NE would).
You guess correctly.
 
I saw that Footballguys had on there newsfeed the Pats could have interest in Vincent Jackson. Does anyone else see this as a real possability? I didn't even think of that. But look at what Vincent Jackson did to the Patriots when they played last year. 10 REC 172 Yars and 2 TD's. And it's looking more and more like the Chargers will not put the Tag on Vincent Jackson.
Every pats fan I know has been hoping for Brandon Lloyd... Ive been praying we get VJax instead.
 
I saw that Footballguys had on there newsfeed the Pats could have interest in Vincent Jackson. Does anyone else see this as a real possability? I didn't even think of that. But look at what Vincent Jackson did to the Patriots when they played last year. 10 REC 172 Yars and 2 TD's. And it's looking more and more like the Chargers will not put the Tag on Vincent Jackson.
Every pats fan I know has been hoping for Brandon Lloyd... Ive been praying we get VJax instead.
Brandon Lloyd is much more polished.
 
I saw that Footballguys had on there newsfeed the Pats could have interest in Vincent Jackson. Does anyone else see this as a real possability? I didn't even think of that. But look at what Vincent Jackson did to the Patriots when they played last year. 10 REC 172 Yars and 2 TD's. And it's looking more and more like the Chargers will not put the Tag on Vincent Jackson.
Every pats fan I know has been hoping for Brandon Lloyd... Ive been praying we get VJax instead.
One of the big attractions of Lloyd (besides probably being a decent amount cheaper than VJax) is he has familiarity with the Patriot offensive system...over the years the Pats have had some difficulty with new WRs (be it a veteran or rookie) understanding what they do (and if they don't know they become useless)...if they were to invest big money in a Wallace or a VJax and they duplicated Ocho's cluelessness they would be on the hook for a very big contract...at least on paper you don't have that concern with Lloyd...
 

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