"Vintage" Beanie Wells to be on display in week 12 (1 Viewer)

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Beanie Wells insists (turf toe, I.R./designated for return) he felt better after Wednesday's return to practice than he's felt in more than a year.

"You're going to see the vintage Beanie Wells. The real deal," said Wells, adding that the time off has done wonders for his surgically-repaired knee. The Cardinals desperately need Wells back in the lineup. Thanks to a woeful offensive line, though, they don't a single back with at least 25 carries and a per-carry average of 3.0 yards or more.

So, what exactly is that? The guy that people loved in college?

The guy that showed some good signs early in the NFL?

What are people expecting from Beanie, the #17 RB in fantasy last year, when he returns?

 

[rickyg]

With those matchups ahead of him id be happy to see him come out of weeks 12-16 unscathed at best.

He is still running behind a putrid o line and he has no Kurt Warner anymore to keep defenses honest. I envision several 10-30 stat lines.

That said I did pick him up off waivers so I am hoping for more. But common sense tells me otherwise.

 

[solorca]

With the matchups he has in the fantasy playoffs, I'm expecting stat-lines of 14/40/0 with no catches.

 

[Shutout]

With those matchups ahead of him id be happy to see him come out of weeks 12-16 unscathed at best.

He is still running behind a putrid o line and he has no Kurt Warner anymore to keep defenses honest. I envision several 10-30 stat lines.

That said I did pick him up off waivers so I am hoping for more. But common sense tells me otherwise.

Which is exactly the same as last year when he was a top 15-20 Rb, depending on your league's scoring. I think his absence REALLY undescored how muc he is THE back in Arizona. They couldn't do anything without his physical presence. And now he says he feels better than he has in a long time. makes it interesting, IMO.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Vintage Beanie Wells = 20 carries - 78 yards. Misses most of the next game with injury, all of next two. Unsuspected start in the 5th game where his stat line is 14 - 38 and a TD.

 

[Shutout]

With the matchups he has in the fantasy playoffs, I'm expecting stat-lines of 14/40/0 with no catches.

That is likely. But then again, he had a couple of really good games last year (on an injured knee, we found out later) against some teams we expected that kind of production from. He's hard to guage and the thing that REALLY has me thinking on this one is how poor the line is. They can't pass protect at all so I'm wondering if he comes back and he is healthy, if the Cards will really emphasize running him as long as they are in games at all and don't have to abandon the run to play catch up. I'm not saying he sets the world on fire but if he is truly healthy (vintage), this team has a motivation to not drop back a ton, they have a defense to keep them in it.Just wondering out loud if Beanie might be a good "compiler". He might get 3.5/carry but if the cards try to protect their QBs by running more, that's still 70-90 a game and he's always a good bet for the goal line carries. Just a thought.

 

[Shutout]

Vintage Beanie Wells = 20 carries - 78 yards. Misses most of the next game with injury, all of next two. Unsuspected start in the 5th game where his stat line is 14 - 38 and a TD.

He's never been that guy. why do people always talk like he misses 6 games a year?

 

[zamboni]

All depends if the Cardinals can play with a lead. Then he can get some numbers on sheer volume of carries, with some short-yardage TDs as was the case last year.

The downside is that he is virtually non-existent in the passing game, so he is on the bench on 3rd downs and in obvious passing situations.

 

[finito]

I think "vintage" means "questionable" in this case.

 

[jdubs952]

Pick him up and sell him before your trade deadlines to someone who hasnt looked at his tough schedule.

 

[Shutout]

Tidbit for consideration since it seems to be people are thinking it comes down to volume of carries.

In his career, when he has carried the ball at lest 13 times a game, he has 8 games with an average rush of <4 yards. However, he has 16 (twice as many) with an average of >4.8. So, you give it to him more than 3 times/quarter and you have 2-1 odds he will rush for closer to 5ypc than not.

 

[packersfan]

With the matchups he has in the fantasy playoffs, I'm expecting stat-lines of 14/40/0 with no catches.

I like Beanie and I'm real tempted to pick him up but the combination of his line and schedule has me thinking the exact same thing. I see him being touted in several places as a must pickup but I wonder if he'll even be more productive than backups like Joique Bell and Daniel Thomas. I'm just not seeing any upside at all with Wells.

 

[Shutout]

With the matchups he has in the fantasy playoffs, I'm expecting stat-lines of 14/40/0 with no catches.

I like Beanie and I'm real tempted to pick him up but the combination of his line and schedule has me thinking the exact same thing. I see him being touted in several places as a must pickup but I wonder if he'll even be more productive than backups like Joique Bell and Daniel Thomas. I'm just not seeing any upside at all with Wells.

You see nothing? Nothing better than guys like Thomas or Bell that you don't even know if they will get 1 or 5 or 10 carries in a given game? You don't think he can be at least as good or have as much opportunity as those guys or be as good as he was last year (which wasn't that bad)?I'm really thinking people are falling asleep on this. I think people are looking at names like "bears" and "49ers" and drawing assumptions. As long as we are doing that, why not just assume that thos games at the end of the season against the Bears and Niners are going to be games in which those two teams might be resting some key defensive vets. Or some offensive ones. You can't assume that its going to be terrible. Last year, one of Beanies best games was against a team EVERYONE said he would struggle against (Giants/ravens). I think I would consider point A (featured RB on a team that is starving for him) before point B (who I THINK he will be playing against 6 weeks from now).

 

[packersfan]

With the matchups he has in the fantasy playoffs, I'm expecting stat-lines of 14/40/0 with no catches.

I like Beanie and I'm real tempted to pick him up but the combination of his line and schedule has me thinking the exact same thing. I see him being touted in several places as a must pickup but I wonder if he'll even be more productive than backups like Joique Bell and Daniel Thomas. I'm just not seeing any upside at all with Wells.

You see nothing? Nothing better than guys like Thomas or Bell that you don't even know if they will get 1 or 5 or 10 carries in a given game? You don't think he can be at least as good or have as much opportunity as those guys or be as good as he was last year (which wasn't that bad)?

I see a horrendous offensive line which could restrict yardage and TD potential. I see no involvement in the passing game which seriously limits his upside. Finally, I see a schedule that looks absolutely dreadful. Granted, SOS can often be very deceiving but on paper his schedule is not favorable at all. Because of those factors, I think solorca's stat line is a very real possibility. In fact, he may struggle to reach those lofty numbers many weeks.Again I like Beanie a lot. I've liked him since college. I was a Wells owner last season and was very happy with the return he gave me given his draft position. But this isn't last season. That line is much much worse. The schedule is bad. He still isn't used at all in the passing game. Other than the fact he'll likely be the starter (which I agree has value) I can't think of a single positive aspect of his situation. So yes, I do think backups who either have more TD potential and/or are used more frequently in the passing game could end up being better WW pickups than Wells.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

well people have been gushing bout mcfadden's schedule and that hasnt worked out.

beanie is a starting NFL RB, that we assume will be 100% (at least when he comes off the PUP he will)

wether you start him or not depends on your roster,

Worth an add IMO if the wells owner cut bait due to injury

Schedule:

week 13 - @NYJ

week 14 - @Sea

week 15 - Det

Week 16 - Chi

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week 17 - SF - who cares FF season is over

 

[zamboni]

well people have been gushing bout mcfadden's schedule and that hasnt worked out.

Yup - year after year, people focus way too much on SOS, and it often doesn't work out. Not just for Beanie, but just about any player.At the end of the day, focus on usage/potential volume of touches. Beanie will get those, although it does depend on game situation. Still better than you can say about most guys out there on the waiver wire.

 

[packersfan]

well people have been gushing bout mcfadden's schedule and that hasnt worked out.

Yup - year after year, people focus way too much on SOS, and it often doesn't work out. Not just for Beanie, but just about any player.At the end of the day, focus on usage/potential volume of touches. Beanie will get those, although it does depend on game situation. Still better than you can say about most guys out there on the waiver wire.

All good points and I typically agree with you about SOS. I tend to think it's very overrated but man his schedule looks real bad. Even if we dismiss that, however, there are some factors that worry me. 1. The offensive line is awful. No getting around that. 2. The Cardinals have only 4 rushing TDs this season. Much of Wells' value last season came as a result of his ability to score. Can that be duplicated?3. He is a complete non-factor in the passing game. He had only one catch in three games before getting hurt and last season he caught 1 or 0 passes in 12 games. For those in PPR leagues, that's a major variable in evaluating his potential.Like I said, I'm a Beanie Wells fan. I like him a lot and I've been going over this for the last several days since it became clear I may need to grab a RB. I'm just trying to see what legitimate upside he has and other than potential rushing attempts (which again I agree is a big one) I'm not seeing anything.

 

[zamboni]

well people have been gushing bout mcfadden's schedule and that hasnt worked out.

Yup - year after year, people focus way too much on SOS, and it often doesn't work out. Not just for Beanie, but just about any player.At the end of the day, focus on usage/potential volume of touches. Beanie will get those, although it does depend on game situation. Still better than you can say about most guys out there on the waiver wire.

All good points and I typically agree with you about SOS. I tend to think it's very overrated but man his schedule looks real bad. Even if we dismiss that, however, there are some factors that worry me. 1. The offensive line is awful. No getting around that. 2. The Cardinals have only 4 rushing TDs this season. Much of Wells' value last season came as a result of his ability to score. Can that be duplicated?3. He is a complete non-factor in the passing game. He had only one catch in three games before getting hurt and last season he caught 1 or 0 passes in 12 games. For those in PPR leagues, that's a major variable in evaluating his potential.Like I said, I'm a Beanie Wells fan. I like him a lot and I've been going over this for the last several days since it became clear I may need to grab a RB. I'm just trying to see what legitimate upside he has and other than potential rushing attempts (which again I agree is a big one) I'm not seeing anything.

I think we're agreeing on the same things.My biggest beef with him is, as you said, the lack of use in the passing game. But for Beanie to get a lot of touches, it's not like the Cardinals have to win - they just need to be in games to the point when they don't have to abandon the running game. With their defense, they just might do that more often than not. And with Kolb/Skelton, seems clear the coaches don't want to put the ball in their hands too much.The OL definitely seems to be an issue - Wells, Williams, Powell and LSH have all had problems back there. But they have had some success as well. I would expect that the Cards will still try to keep running the ball until they need to abort it.

 

[matuski]

Benson vs. Beanie?

 

[packersfan]

I keep going over it and I keep coming back to Wells' generally averaging 50-60 rushing yards per game with 0 receptions and a very minimal chance for a TD. In a PPR league, that's 5-6 points per week. That's not a strong total for a starting RB. Granted, he could exceed that any given week but given the Cardinals' offensive line issues he could also fail to reach those totals as well.

It ultimately comes down to what you need. If you don't need to start Wells each week and have the roster room to spare then I would absolutely grab him and see what happens. But if you're in a situation where you would need to start him that's when it becomes trickier.

I actually think that of the two potential starting RBs likely on a lot of WWs right now the better play is Benson. I'm not saying that as a Packers' homer either. Benson at least should again be active in the passing game when he returns and I think that gives him a big potential edge over Wells. The concern with Benson is that there are no guarantees yet that he will return (although current indications are at least positive) and he won't return until Week 14 whereas Beanie is expected back in Week 12.

 

[BroadwayG]

Vintage Beanie Wells = 20 carries - 78 yards. Misses most of the next game with injury, all of next two. Unsuspected start in the 5th game where his stat line is 14 - 38 and a TD.

He's never been that guy. why do people always talk like he misses 6 games a year?

yeah, it's way more than 6

 

[DoubleG]

Beanie Wells insists (turf toe, I.R./designated for return) he felt better after Wednesday's return to practice than he's felt in more than a year.

"You're going to see the vintage Beanie Wells. The real deal," said Wells, adding that the time off has done wonders for his surgically-repaired knee. The Cardinals desperately need Wells back in the lineup. Thanks to a woeful offensive line, though, they don't a single back with at least 25 carries and a per-carry average of 3.0 yards or more.

So, what exactly is that? The guy that people loved in college?

The guy that showed some good signs early in the NFL?

I think he means he'll look more like the guy who had 245 carries for 1k+ yards and 10 TDs in 14 games last season. The problem is that his matchups are horrible - and historically he does NOT have good games against good teams. And he will figure out a way to sit out week 14 vs. SEA - he almost always does. I have him in dyno - and sn holding, but he will NOT see the field in 2012 for me, barring disaster at RB.

 

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Vintage Beanie Wells = 20 carries - 78 yards. Misses most of the next game with injury, all of next two. Unsuspected start in the 5th game where his stat line is 14 - 38 and a TD.

He's never been that guy. why do people always talk like he misses 6 games a year?

yeah, it's way more than 6

I like your avatar but your humour is lacking..Going into this year, he missed 5 games in a three year career. you guys talk about him like he's Fred taylor, circa 1999-2004.

 

[Shutout]

Beanie is always a good topic. So polarizing.

I agree, looks bad on paper but that's why they play the games and anyone who owned him against the giants and Ravens last year remember that.

Also agree the line is worse than before but, really, when you already suck the suck, being alittle worse than before is just a measure of small degree. I think the defense being BETTER offsets that.

I guess, overall, my biggest thing in all this is Beanie is THE clear cut back there. He's the only one they have that can be physical inside. He did it last year with good success. He's fresh and healthy. I just don't see how he wouldn't be looked at harder than guys like Thomas, etc, mentioned above. To me, i don't care if the Dolphons play the Ravens sorry run D every week. If he only gets three carries, that's not helping. At least I know with Beanie, unless the Cards are getting pummled, he is gonna get some work.

 

[BroadwayG]

Vintage Beanie Wells = 20 carries - 78 yards. Misses most of the next game with injury, all of next two. Unsuspected start in the 5th game where his stat line is 14 - 38 and a TD.

He's never been that guy. why do people always talk like he misses 6 games a year?

yeah, it's way more than 6

I like your avatar but your humour is lacking..Going into this year, he missed 5 games in a three year career. you guys talk about him like he's Fred taylor, circa 1999-2004.

I count his complete fantasy bust games as being missed.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Vintage Beanie Wells = 20 carries - 78 yards. Misses most of the next game with injury, all of next two. Unsuspected start in the 5th game where his stat line is 14 - 38 and a TD.

He's never been that guy. why do people always talk like he misses 6 games a year?

yeah, it's way more than 6

I like your avatar but your humour is lacking..Going into this year, he missed 5 games in a three year career. you guys talk about him like he's Fred taylor, circa 1999-2004.

I count his complete fantasy bust games as being missed.

In 2012 he has played in only 3 games. 2 games below 2 FPs, and 1 game at 7.In 2011 he had 2 missed games, and 4 games with less than 5 FPs, 2 more with less than 7.In 2010 he had 3 missed games, and 9 games with less than 5 FPs, 1 more with less than 7. (he also had one with 7, so... I don't count that one.)In 2009 he had 0 missed games, and 9 games with less than 5 FPS, 0 with less than 7.I agree with Broadway here.

 

[DoubleG]

Vintage Beanie Wells = 20 carries - 78 yards. Misses most of the next game with injury, all of next two. Unsuspected start in the 5th game where his stat line is 14 - 38 and a TD.

He's never been that guy. why do people always talk like he misses 6 games a year?

yeah, it's way more than 6

I like your avatar but your humour is lacking..Going into this year, he missed 5 games in a three year career. you guys talk about him like he's Fred taylor, circa 1999-2004.

I count his complete fantasy bust games as being missed.

In 2012 he has played in only 3 games. 2 games below 2 FPs, and 1 game at 7.In 2011 he had 2 missed games, and 4 games with less than 5 FPs, 2 more with less than 7.In 2010 he had 3 missed games, and 9 games with less than 5 FPs, 1 more with less than 7. (he also had one with 7, so... I don't count that one.)In 2009 he had 0 missed games, and 9 games with less than 5 FPS, 0 with less than 7.I agree with Broadway here.

Cool. Now do Jamaal Charles, or CJ?K, Stevan Ridley, Shonne Green, Michael Turner (all 4 of whom, incidentally are on pace to do exactly what Wells did in 2011) or Willis McGahee, or CJ Spiller...or...I think you get the point. All RBs have bad games. In 2011 he was the starter with the lion's share - he will likely be that when he comes back, with Williams out the rest of the season. Trying to look back to when he was splitting time THT is apples and oranges.

 

[stronger88]

Has any player whose suffered from turf toe came back the same season and been effective? It seems like the guys who do come back are never 100%.

 

[CrazyFox]

A lot of good points here.

I picked him up because there is almost nothing else out there.

As awful as things are for the Arizona run game, he still might get the bulk of touches and that's worth something if you wind up in a spot where you are desperate enough to need to start him.

I'm hoping I'm not that desperate but you never know when an injury could strike.