Volek, TN QB? Why is he off the radar? (1 Viewer)

[Art_VanDalay]

All last year I heard that Volek was really the guy for 2006 and that McNair was playing his final hurrah for the Titans (remember his waffling with retirement last year). There was this talk that McNair cap number in 2006 was something like $20mm and that there is no way that they keep him. I also remember Volek and his agent complaining that they wanted to be traded to get a starting gig if TN couldn't accommodate them. Well now, as the offseason kicks off and I listen to NFL Radio on Sirrius and all the talk about the available FA QB's and the teams that could use someone with some experience like Volek to step in (NO, NYJ, AZ come to mind) I am perplexed that no one is talking about this guy.

Am I missing something? Does anyone think he will:

A) Be the starter for the Titans next year?

B) Be a starter for someone next year?

C) Stay in TN as a backup again for another year (while all the "experts" talk about TN taking a QB in R1 this year? )

D) Join the checkout line at Stop & Shop bagging groceries?

TN homers any info - what do you think and what would you like to see happen in TN next year? If someone could add their .02 I would appreciate it. Thanks.

 

[The Hank]

All last year I heard that Volek was really the guy for 2006 and that McNair was playing his final hurrah for the Titans (remember his waffling with retirement last year).  There was this talk that McNair cap number in 2006 was something like $20mm and that there is no way that they keep him.  I also remember Volek and his agent complaining that they wanted to be traded to get a starting gig if TN couldn't accommodate them.  Well now, as the offseason kicks off and I listen to NFL Radio on Sirrius and all the talk about the available FA QB's and the teams that could use someone with some experience like Volek to step in (NO, NYJ, AZ come to mind) I am perplexed that no one is talking about this guy. 

Am I missing something?  Does anyone think he will:

A) Be the starter for the Titans next year?

B) Be a starter for someone next year?

C) Stay in TN as a backup again for another year (while all the "experts" talk about TN taking a QB in R1 this year? )

D) Join the checkout line at Stop & Shop bagging groceries?

TN homers any info - what do you think and what would you like to see happen in TN next year?  If someone could add their .02 I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

I say either A or B.A) Would be if McNair is gone (either cut or retired), and they use their #1 on a QB in the draft, the Titans know that Volek can be a leader on offense for this team as he had filled in decently well for McNair while the drafted QB (Leinart or Young) is groomed into the role of starting QB.

B) I think would happen if McNair stays, regardless if they draft a QB or not. They trade Volek for draft picks (that they can turn around and use on their offensive line or a big time WR) and have McNair in the driver's seat until the drafted QB is ready.

Of course, we all know it will probably be C. because the smart thing to do rarely happens in the NFL. my

 

[Bloom]

i think its very likely that the titans rework mcnair's deal and he stays. I would rule out A.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

Lions like him a lot. I think they will look at both Volek and McCown and possibly Simms depending on what they they Tampa may be willing to pay. Griese is another option but of all those, Volek is the guy they are most likely to pursue.

 

[jeter23]

Volek has been hurt the past 2 years and lost a little of the luster that he had when he first took over after a McNair injury a few years ago.

With that said, I see him being dealt and Tenn drafting V Young.

 

[LHUCKS]

Volek is off the radar because

A) he sucks

and

B) McNair is legit

 

[diesel7982]

All last year I heard that Volek was really the guy for 2006 and that McNair was playing his final hurrah for the Titans

Don't listen to anyone who said this.

I am perplexed that no one is talking about this guy.

Why? Hes absolutely horrid as a starter. Hes a solid backup who has shown he can't win a meaningful game nor stay healthy.

A) Be the starter for the Titans next year?

If the week 17 game where the Titans started Matt Mauck wasn't indication enough for you, I dont know what will be.

B) Be a starter for someone next year?

He'll have to beat out another mediocre QB in training camp.

C) Stay in TN as a backup again for another year (while all the "experts" talk about TN taking a QB in R1 this year? )

Absolutely not.

D) Join the checkout line at Stop & Shop bagging groceries?

He's good enough to collect a paycheck as a backup.

TN homers any info - what do you think and what would you like to see happen in TN next year?

Volek will likely get dealt for a 4th or 5th to a team with a void at QB. The Titans will payout the $1M bonus that will void the $50 mil bonus, and end McNair's contract after 2006, and draft a Qb with the 3rd pick, hopefully Vince Young. Id actually prefer the Titans trade down and take Cutler, but I dont see how that will work.

 

[msommer]

The Tennessean was reporting in December that Volek has a no trade clause in his contract...

 

[diesel7982]

The Tennessean was reporting in December that Volek has a no trade clause in his contract...

Im sure thats something he'd be willing to waive considering he was talking trade in August.

 

[Don Quixote]

He was on the market last year, and IIRC, the only team interested in signing him was Atlanta as a backup. So, he returned with Tenn.

It doesn't seem like teams are really interested in him as a starter.

 

[TME]

It doesn't seem like teams are really interested in him as a starter.

Seems that way, which is odd considering he's the best Fresno State QB in the NFL today . But seriously, when he has been given a shot, he has produced. However, when he starts, the team never seems to win. Could be something with his game management or could just be the fact that TN is terrible with a weak ground game.One thing I like about Volek is that he's a gun slinger. He's not afraid to put the ball in the air and likes to take shots downfield. The TN offense seems to operate differently with him at the helm...more of a vertical game. With McNair it seems all dink and dunk. But, maybe that's just a function of the games that I have seen.

I think he has shown enough in his chances to deserve a shot somewhere to compete. Will he be given a starting job? No. But, I would think that a team that needs a QB to compete would give him a shot to earn a starting job.

It's early. There's still plenty of time for this to pick up steam.

 

[diesel7982]

He was on the market last year, and IIRC, the only team interested in signing him was Atlanta as a backup. So, he returned with Tenn.

It doesn't seem like teams are really interested in him as a starter.

He was on the market 2 years ago, and Buffalo and ATL were interested. He resigned with TEN. He was not a freeagent last season.

 

[diesel7982]

It doesn't seem like teams are really interested in him as a starter.

Seems that way, which is odd considering he's the best Fresno State QB in the NFL today . But seriously, when he has been given a shot, he has produced. However, when he starts, the team never seems to win. Could be something with his game management or could just be the fact that TN is terrible with a weak ground game.One thing I like about Volek is that he's a gun slinger. He's not afraid to put the ball in the air and likes to take shots downfield. The TN offense seems to operate differently with him at the helm...more of a vertical game. With McNair it seems all dink and dunk. But, maybe that's just a function of the games that I have seen.

I think he has shown enough in his chances to deserve a shot somewhere to compete. Will he be given a starting job? No. But, I would think that a team that needs a QB to compete would give him a shot to earn a starting job.

It's early. There's still plenty of time for this to pick up steam.

Completely inaccurate. TEN had to open up the offense in 2004 because they lost nearly half their starters to injury. At one point, 8 or 11 defensive starters were out. Jeff Fisher repeatedly stated that his team could not play their normal style of offense as they could not stop anyone on defense. Hence, they threw the ball as much as anyone in the league, and Volek profited from that. He beat up on alot of bad secondaries and racked up stats in blowouts.

When Volek was asked to win a game against a team that had something to play for, Volek got his #### kicked, and that "gunslinger" became a "sacktaker"

 

[drewblue]

The best shot of Volek getting a possible starting job went out the door when 'Dinger left for Denver.

Personally, I still think Volek has played his last in Titan blue. They're going to try to make up for their lost 3rd round pick they gave up for Henry. Don't think they'll get a 3rd, but they're sure gonna try on draft day. On a side note, I've read through various message boards (no links or super-credible sources) that Kinney is on the trading block as well.

They brought in Tim Couch for workouts a couple of weeks ago. If I had to venture a guess, they'll sign him as a cheap 3rd string behind McNair and the new QB.

Pure speculation, of course.

 

[msommer]

In all fairness to Couch he will likely be #2 if he signs with a team that drafts a rookie. IMHO he has not fallen quite down to Cade McNown depths yet

 

[Bloom]

diesel, GREAT job setting the record straight on Volek. Its clear that the Volek pimpers only remember his big stats in shootout games that are aberrations in the NFL.

I would take guys like Dilfer and Holcomb over Volek easily.

 

[sho nuff]

The Tennessean was reporting in December that Volek has a no trade clause in his contract...

Im sure thats something he'd be willing to waive considering he was talking trade in August.

You mean how Drew was talking...Volek straightened his agent up quite quickly on that one...

 

[diesel7982]

The Tennessean was reporting in December that Volek has a no trade clause in his contract...

Im sure thats something he'd be willing to waive considering he was talking trade in August.

You mean how Drew was talking...Volek straightened his agent up quite quickly on that one...

My read on the situation was Volek wanted out, and then saw how quickly public opinion turned on him once Rosenhaus started talking trade. Rosenhaus then had Volek put the blame on him.Rosenhaus wouldnt start talking trade without Volek's consent.

Thats my take on it anyways.

 

[Art_VanDalay]

diesel, GREAT job setting the record straight on Volek. Its clear that the Volek pimpers only remember his big stats in shootout games that are aberrations in the NFL.

I would take guys like Dilfer and Holcomb over Volek easily.

First, not a Volek "pimper" just asking about a guy who was redhot last offseason coming off 2004 (See stats below) and who may get some looks this offseason given some of the QB situations out there. IMO, say what you want about a guy, injuries, opening an offense, whatever, at the NFL level you still have to produce and have talent to be able to enjoy any success, even vs. second stringers if the game is out of reach. Looking at his stats in 04, 8 GStarts is a good indication that the guy can play if given a steady opportunity. As for 05, I don't think you can base your whole opinion on the guy off of one game because "it mattered" and completely dismiss a resume of 8 starts the year before and say the guy sucks. Let me also add, your comments about Dilfer and Holcomb are mindless. As a Bucs fan, you obviously have not endured many a season of overthrows, sacks and skipped passes from Trent. I love Trent but just because he "managed" a game to win a SuperBowl (what did he have 13 pass attempts?) does not make him better than a guy like Volek who is still relatively unknown. Holcomb had his chance when Butch gave him the chance in Cleveland and found out the 2nd String QB is still the most popular guy on a football team. No question he is still better than Losman but I can't say that he is a better choice than Volek as they seem pretty even at this point in their careers given Volek's limited resume.

I was just curious why no one was talking about this guy and everyone was projecting a 1Rd QB this year without even mentioning Volek - that's all. Look at the FA QB's on the market this year and then tell me he wouldn't have any value or chance to grab a starting gig from Miami? NO? NYJ? Cle? TN (if Mcnair leaves)? Det?

PASSING

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2000 Tennessee Titans 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---

2001 Tennessee Titans 1 0 3 0 0.0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 39.6

2002 Tennessee Titans 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---

2003 Tennessee Titans 7 1 69 44 63.8 545 7.90 50 4 1 6/45 5 1 101.4

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

2005 Tennessee Titans 6 1 88 50 56.8 474 5.39 55 4 2 9/45 4 1 77.6

TOTAL 24 10 517 312 60.3 3505 6.78 55 26 13 45/306 43 7 86.9

 

[Bloom]

diesel, GREAT job setting the record straight on Volek. Its clear that the Volek pimpers only remember his big stats in shootout games that are aberrations in the NFL.

I would take guys like Dilfer and Holcomb over Volek easily.

First, not a Volek "pimper" just asking about a guy who was redhot last offseason coming off 2004 (See stats below) and who may get some looks this offseason given some of the QB situations out there. IMO, say what you want about a guy, injuries, opening an offense, whatever, at the NFL level you still have to produce and have talent to be able to enjoy any success, even vs. second stringers if the game is out of reach. Looking at his stats in 04, 8 GStarts is a good indication that the guy can play if given a steady opportunity. As for 05, I don't think you can base your whole opinion on the guy off of one game because "it mattered" and completely dismiss a resume of 8 starts the year before and say the guy sucks. Let me also add, your comments about Dilfer and Holcomb are mindless. As a Bucs fan, you obviously have not endured many a season of overthrows, sacks and skipped passes from Trent. I love Trent but just because he "managed" a game to win a SuperBowl (what did he have 13 pass attempts?) does not make him better than a guy like Volek who is still relatively unknown. Holcomb had his chance when Butch gave him the chance in Cleveland and found out the 2nd String QB is still the most popular guy on a football team. No question he is still better than Losman but I can't say that he is a better choice than Volek as they seem pretty even at this point in their careers given Volek's limited resume.

I was just curious why no one was talking about this guy and everyone was projecting a 1Rd QB this year without even mentioning Volek - that's all. Look at the FA QB's on the market this year and then tell me he wouldn't have any value or chance to grab a starting gig from Miami? NO? NYJ? Cle? TN (if Mcnair leaves)? Det?

PASSING

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2000 Tennessee Titans 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---

2001 Tennessee Titans 1 0 3 0 0.0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 39.6

2002 Tennessee Titans 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---

2003 Tennessee Titans 7 1 69 44 63.8 545 7.90 50 4 1 6/45 5 1 101.4

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

2005 Tennessee Titans 6 1 88 50 56.8 474 5.39 55 4 2 9/45 4 1 77.6

TOTAL 24 10 517 312 60.3 3505 6.78 55 26 13 45/306 43 7 86.9

Holcomb and Dilfer can at least handle pressure, Volek folds at the first sign of it. Volek didnt show me much except the ability to throw a nice catchable deep ball in his 04 stint. like diesel said, the titans starting mauck in the last game of 05 tells you all you need to know about his future with the titans.

To me, Volek is a rich man's Jason Garrett until he proves otherwise.

 

[Art_VanDalay]

diesel, GREAT job setting the record straight on Volek. Its clear that the Volek pimpers only remember his big stats in shootout games that are aberrations in the NFL.

I would take guys like Dilfer and Holcomb over Volek easily.

First, not a Volek "pimper" just asking about a guy who was redhot last offseason coming off 2004 (See stats below) and who may get some looks this offseason given some of the QB situations out there. IMO, say what you want about a guy, injuries, opening an offense, whatever, at the NFL level you still have to produce and have talent to be able to enjoy any success, even vs. second stringers if the game is out of reach. Looking at his stats in 04, 8 GStarts is a good indication that the guy can play if given a steady opportunity. As for 05, I don't think you can base your whole opinion on the guy off of one game because "it mattered" and completely dismiss a resume of 8 starts the year before and say the guy sucks. Let me also add, your comments about Dilfer and Holcomb are mindless. As a Bucs fan, you obviously have not endured many a season of overthrows, sacks and skipped passes from Trent. I love Trent but just because he "managed" a game to win a SuperBowl (what did he have 13 pass attempts?) does not make him better than a guy like Volek who is still relatively unknown. Holcomb had his chance when Butch gave him the chance in Cleveland and found out the 2nd String QB is still the most popular guy on a football team. No question he is still better than Losman but I can't say that he is a better choice than Volek as they seem pretty even at this point in their careers given Volek's limited resume.

I was just curious why no one was talking about this guy and everyone was projecting a 1Rd QB this year without even mentioning Volek - that's all. Look at the FA QB's on the market this year and then tell me he wouldn't have any value or chance to grab a starting gig from Miami? NO? NYJ? Cle? TN (if Mcnair leaves)? Det?

PASSING

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2000 Tennessee Titans 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---

2001 Tennessee Titans 1 0 3 0 0.0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 39.6

2002 Tennessee Titans 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---

2003 Tennessee Titans 7 1 69 44 63.8 545 7.90 50 4 1 6/45 5 1 101.4

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

2005 Tennessee Titans 6 1 88 50 56.8 474 5.39 55 4 2 9/45 4 1 77.6

TOTAL 24 10 517 312 60.3 3505 6.78 55 26 13 45/306 43 7 86.9

Holcomb and Dilfer can at least handle pressure, Volek folds at the first sign of it. Volek didnt show me much except the ability to throw a nice catchable deep ball in his 04 stint. like diesel said, the titans starting mauck in the last game of 05 tells you all you need to know about his future with the titans.

To me, Volek is a rich man's Jason Garrett until he proves otherwise.

Perhaps the Titans starting Mauck tells you what it tells me. They already know what they have in Volek and/or probably figure he is not coming back next year anyway so let's see what this Mauck kid can do. Makes sense to me. (edited to include dilfer stats) Dilfer can handle Pressure?!! Tough - yes. Handle pressure = No! Handling pressure means not throwing INT's imo. Take a look at Dilfer's numbers and note the INT's. You may notice he has more career INTs than TDs. Even in his "good" years they are right right around his TDs or surpass them. Holcomb isn't much better but I won't bore you with his stats. I don't have a thing for this guy but I think a lot of people throw around general statements about some players only to see them emerge later and miss a "buy low" diamond in the rough by basing a feeling on a game or a few plays, etc.

PASSING

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

1994 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5 2 82 38 46.3 433 5.28 42 1 6 8/42 5 1 36.3

1995 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 415 224 54.0 2774 6.68 64 4 18 47/331 38 4 60.1

1996 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 482 267 55.4 2859 5.93 45 12 19 28/207 32 2 64.8

1997 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 386 217 56.2 2555 6.62 59 21 11 32/196 31 6 82.8

1998 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 429 225 52.4 2729 6.36 79 21 15 27/172 29 10 74.0

1999 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 10 10 244 146 59.8 1619 6.64 62 11 11 26/189 15 4 75.8

2000 Baltimore Ravens 11 8 226 134 59.3 1502 6.65 59 12 11 23/135 18 6 76.6

2001 Seattle Seahawks 6 4 122 73 59.8 1014 8.31 54 7 4 10/72 17 7 92.0

2002 Seattle Seahawks 6 6 168 94 56.0 1182 7.04 83 4 6 7/36 9 4 71.1

2003 Seattle Seahawks 5 0 8 4 50.0 31 3.88 14 1 1 1/8 0 0 59.9

2004 Seattle Seahawks 5 2 58 25 43.1 333 5.74 56 1 3 4/21 4 2 46.1

2005 Cleveland Browns 11 11 333 199 59.8 2321 6.97 80 11 12 23/139 26 7 76.9

TOTAL 123 107 2953 1646 55.7 19352 6.55 83 106 117 236/1548 224 53 71.3

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[diesel7982]

diesel, GREAT job setting the record straight on Volek. Its clear that the Volek pimpers only remember his big stats in shootout games that are aberrations in the NFL.

I would take guys like Dilfer and Holcomb over Volek easily.

First, not a Volek "pimper" just asking about a guy who was redhot last offseason coming off 2004 (See stats below) and who may get some looks this offseason given some of the QB situations out there. IMO, say what you want about a guy, injuries, opening an offense, whatever, at the NFL level you still have to produce and have talent to be able to enjoy any success, even vs. second stringers if the game is out of reach. Looking at his stats in 04, 8 GStarts is a good indication that the guy can play if given a steady opportunity. As for 05, I don't think you can base your whole opinion on the guy off of one game because "it mattered" and completely dismiss a resume of 8 starts the year before and say the guy sucks. Let me also add, your comments about Dilfer and Holcomb are mindless. As a Bucs fan, you obviously have not endured many a season of overthrows, sacks and skipped passes from Trent. I love Trent but just because he "managed" a game to win a SuperBowl (what did he have 13 pass attempts?) does not make him better than a guy like Volek who is still relatively unknown. Holcomb had his chance when Butch gave him the chance in Cleveland and found out the 2nd String QB is still the most popular guy on a football team. No question he is still better than Losman but I can't say that he is a better choice than Volek as they seem pretty even at this point in their careers given Volek's limited resume.

I was just curious why no one was talking about this guy and everyone was projecting a 1Rd QB this year without even mentioning Volek - that's all. Look at the FA QB's on the market this year and then tell me he wouldn't have any value or chance to grab a starting gig from Miami? NO? NYJ? Cle? TN (if Mcnair leaves)? Det?

PASSING

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2000 Tennessee Titans 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---

2001 Tennessee Titans 1 0 3 0 0.0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 39.6

2002 Tennessee Titans 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---

2003 Tennessee Titans 7 1 69 44 63.8 545 7.90 50 4 1 6/45 5 1 101.4

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

2005 Tennessee Titans 6 1 88 50 56.8 474 5.39 55 4 2 9/45 4 1 77.6

TOTAL 24 10 517 312 60.3 3505 6.78 55 26 13 45/306 43 7 86.9

Holcomb and Dilfer can at least handle pressure, Volek folds at the first sign of it. Volek didnt show me much except the ability to throw a nice catchable deep ball in his 04 stint. like diesel said, the titans starting mauck in the last game of 05 tells you all you need to know about his future with the titans.



To me, Volek is a rich man's Jason Garrett until he proves otherwise.

Thats probably a pretty good comparison. Volek had 2 good games in 2004. KC and OAK. Those games were against what were, besides TEN, the worst 2 defenses in the league. But Ill give him credit, he and Drew Bennett tore teams apart.

Other than that, he was horrid.

A couple memories from watching Volek play in the 2004 season:

The SD game was one of the worst games Ive ever seen a QB play. Volek wouldnt even let his recievers run a route. He was taking 2 steps and throwing to the closet reciever. No one caught a pass that went further than 3 yards upfield, with few exceptions. SD just sat back in the 4th quarter and let Volek rack up 5 yards at a time, because he absolutely refused to go downfield.

Volek played somewhat better against a horrid Chicago team, but still started taking sacks after he got hit the first time, and capped it off by running around in the endzone in OT and taking the GW saftey.

Vs Indy, Volek and Bennett torched Indy for 3 first half bombs, with Volek lobbing up deep balls and Bennett abusing Indy's DBs. Other than these three passes, I believe his stats were something in the neighborhood of 30 attempts for <100 yards, and TEN didnt score in the 2nd half as Indy blew them out.

Denver just absolutely killed Volek, hitting him early, and he reverted to the throwing off his back foot after 2 steps guy. This was really a great example of how Volek couldnt beat a defense that had motivation to stop him.

It should say something that even with 2 games of almost 500 yards a piece at 9-10 yards an attempt, he still finished with below 7 ypa for the season.

Bottom line: Take away Volek's deep jump ball to Bennett, and hes beyond mediocre. Hit him once, and he'll take 5-8 sacks the rest of the game, assuming he even finishes the game. Hes a brittle one-throw QB who caught lightning in a bottle for a couple games, and hasnt shown anything to justify giving him a starting job.

 

[Bloom]

Denver just absolutely killed Volek, hitting him early, and he reverted to the throwing off his back foot after 2 steps guy. This was really a great example of how Volek couldnt beat a defense that had motivation to stop him.

the denver game was really when i made up my mind about volek after being intrigued by the performances vs the weak Ds. I saw a QB that was basically Kurt Warner with only one throw in his repertoire. Anytime the pocket broke down in any way shape or form, Volek was done. he had no escapability, no pocket presence, no willingness to take a hit to deliver the ball, he was just a feeble little lamb out there once he faced a good pass rush.

 

[MLBrandow]

Lions like him a lot. I think they will look at both Volek and McCown and possibly Simms depending on what they they Tampa may be willing to pay. Griese is another option but of all those, Volek is the guy they are most likely to pursue.

Someone hit the nail on the donkey. Screw Kurt Warner..... Cardinals won't let go of him anyway, and Martz knows he's washed up.Volek in a Martz offense would be deadly. I could see Detroit trading their 2nd rounder for him, since that seems to be the current going price for backup QBs with starting potential (Feely, Delhomme if i'm not mistaken).

That would be a great deal for both teams IMO.

McNair might stay, but it would be as a "veteran leader" and to pave the way for Leinart/Young.

If the Titans trade up and take Leinart (which I think they will), I think they may start him on day 1 and let McNair go to a team like Miami.

If that were to happen though, the Titans would need to bring in another veteran QB, so it seems like maybe they will keep McNair at a reduced price simply for insurance purposes, especially if they trade Volek.

FYI, Volek said last year he would NOT be on the Titans team this year if he wasn't the starting QB (something to that extent). He also is represented, I believe, by Drew Rosenhaus.

 

[MLBrandow]

Thats probably a pretty good comparison.

Volek had 2 good games in 2004. KC and OAK. Those games were against what were, besides TEN, the worst 2 defenses in the league. But Ill give him credit, he and Drew Bennett tore teams apart.

Other than that, he was horrid.

A couple memories from watching Volek play in the 2004 season:

The SD game was one of the worst games Ive ever seen a QB play. Volek wouldnt even let his recievers run a route. He was taking 2 steps and throwing to the closet reciever. No one caught a pass that went further than 3 yards upfield, with few exceptions. SD just sat back in the 4th quarter and let Volek rack up 5 yards at a time, because he absolutely refused to go downfield.

Volek played somewhat better against a horrid Chicago team, but still started taking sacks after he got hit the first time, and capped it off by running around in the endzone in OT and taking the GW saftey.

Vs Indy, Volek and Bennett torched Indy for 3 first half bombs, with Volek lobbing up deep balls and Bennett abusing Indy's DBs. Other than these three passes, I believe his stats were something in the neighborhood of 30 attempts for <100 yards, and TEN didnt score in the 2nd half as Indy blew them out.

Denver just absolutely killed Volek, hitting him early, and he reverted to the throwing off his back foot after 2 steps guy. This was really a great example of how Volek couldnt beat a defense that had motivation to stop him.

It should say something that even with 2 games of almost 500 yards a piece at 9-10 yards an attempt, he still finished with below 7 ypa for the season.

Bottom line: Take away Volek's deep jump ball to Bennett, and hes beyond mediocre. Hit him once, and he'll take 5-8 sacks the rest of the game, assuming he even finishes the game. Hes a brittle one-throw QB who caught lightning in a bottle for a couple games, and hasnt shown anything to justify giving him a starting job.

Wouldn't you agree that's exactly the kind of QB Detroit would go after? Sounds like a Millen Move to me. They'll probably bring in Aaron Brooks to back him up.

 

[diesel7982]

Someone hit the nail on the donkey. Screw Kurt Warner..... Cardinals won't let go of him anyway, and Martz knows he's washed up.

Warner already resigned with the Cards

Volek in a Martz offense would be deadly.

This is really going to have to be explained. Volek will not stay in the pocket, make his reads and take a hit, and is horrid at throwing the slants and outs that Martz uses so frequently. He doesnt make multiple reads. He looks deep, then throws short. Kinda like Joey Harrington, except Volek looks deep.

I could see Detroit trading their 2nd rounder for him

No one in Nashville believes his asking price will be a first day pick

, since that seems to be the current going price for backup QBs with starting potential (Feely, Delhomme if i'm not mistaken).

Delhomme was a FA.

That would be a great deal for both teams IMO.

The Titans would certainly be giddy about it.

If the Titans trade up and take Leinart (which I think they will),

Titans dont have the ability to move up. They arent going to give away their 2nd rounder + whatever else it would take, given they already dont have their 3rd.

I think they may start him on day 1 and let McNair go to a team like Miami.

McNairs deal will be fixed before the draft.

it seems like maybe they will keep McNair at a reduced price simply for insurance purposes

Floyd Reese has already said they are prepared to absorb his $14 mil cap number to keep him around

FYI, Volek said last year he would NOT be on the Titans team this year if he wasn't the starting QB (something to that extent). He also is represented, I believe, by Drew Rosenhaus.

He said he felt he would be a starter in the NFL this year. Rosenhaus is his agent.

 

[TheFanatic]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

 

[diesel7982]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

Yay for fantasy football.

 

[TME]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

 

[diesel7982]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

This just screams to me that you havent seen him play for any real amount of time and are basing your observations off the stat sheet. Is that fair?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

This just screams to me that you havent seen him play for any real amount of time and are basing your observations off the stat sheet. Is that fair?

All inexperienced QB's have faults that you can pick apart until you are blue in the face, but these faults could be corrected in the right circumstance and you could become a starter and do just fine. Sometimes it takes a few years of being a back up before you find your nitch like Delhomme and get a starting gig on a new team and do just fine. I remember when J. Plummer used to get bashed of all his int's well what happened to those???? The Chargers though Brees wasn't going to be the man and he proved them wrong. Volek definitely has talent and with the right circumstance this guy could quite possibly be successful in the right circumstance.

 

[diesel7982]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

This just screams to me that you havent seen him play for any real amount of time and are basing your observations off the stat sheet. Is that fair?

All inexperienced QB's have faults that you can pick apart until you are blue in the face, but these faults could be corrected in the right circumstance and you could become a starter and do just fine. Sometimes it takes a few years of being a back up before you find your nitch like Delhomme and get a starting gig on a new team and do just fine. I remember when J. Plummer used to get bashed of all his int's well what happened to those???? The Chargers though Brees wasn't going to be the man and he proved them wrong. Volek definitely has talent and with the right circumstance this guy could quite possibly be successful in the right circumstance.

Yes yes, and he should start over Steve McNair. We've seen your 5 pg thread

 

[TME]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

This just screams to me that you havent seen him play for any real amount of time and are basing your observations off the stat sheet. Is that fair?

That is fair. As I said in my initial post, it could only be a function of the games that I have seen. I have only seen him a handful of times. But, you sound like a disgruntled homer. Is that fair?All I am saying is that Volek seems to have shown as much if not more than some of the guys that I previously listed that were given a shot to compete. TN has been a bad team the past two years, and considering how difficult a situation that is for a young/inexperienced QB, he has held his own.

 

[diesel7982]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

This just screams to me that you havent seen him play for any real amount of time and are basing your observations off the stat sheet. Is that fair?

That is fair. As I said in my initial post, it could only be a function of the games that I have seen. I have only seen him a handful of times. But, you sound like a disgruntled homer. Is that fair?All I am saying is that Volek seems to have shown as much if not more than some of the guys that I previously listed that were given a shot to compete. TN has been a bad team the past two years, and considering how difficult a situation that is for a young/inexperienced QB, he has held his own.

I think nearly everyone on this board would disagree with that....but perhaps?You are aware Volek is nearly 30 though, right? Not exactly "young"

 

[TME]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

This just screams to me that you havent seen him play for any real amount of time and are basing your observations off the stat sheet. Is that fair?

That is fair. As I said in my initial post, it could only be a function of the games that I have seen. I have only seen him a handful of times. But, you sound like a disgruntled homer. Is that fair?All I am saying is that Volek seems to have shown as much if not more than some of the guys that I previously listed that were given a shot to compete. TN has been a bad team the past two years, and considering how difficult a situation that is for a young/inexperienced QB, he has held his own.

I think nearly everyone on this board would disagree with that....but perhaps?You are aware Volek is nearly 30 though, right? Not exactly "young"

Yeah, that's why I went with "young/inexperienced" as in either/or but his situation being the latter. Here's another interesting stat, TN averages about 23 pts in games where Volek starts. He's 2-7 as a starter, but probably deserves to be closer to 500. You cannot expect the guy to be responsible for keeping the other team from scoring. Though he has shown his inexperience, especially under pressure, he has put some points up with limited weapons in that offense. Again, more that certain other guys have shown.

 

[Chitown Mole]

I just dropped Volek in my dynasty league. I went with two QB's with more upside instead.

 

[diesel7982]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

This just screams to me that you havent seen him play for any real amount of time and are basing your observations off the stat sheet. Is that fair?

That is fair. As I said in my initial post, it could only be a function of the games that I have seen. I have only seen him a handful of times. But, you sound like a disgruntled homer. Is that fair?All I am saying is that Volek seems to have shown as much if not more than some of the guys that I previously listed that were given a shot to compete. TN has been a bad team the past two years, and considering how difficult a situation that is for a young/inexperienced QB, he has held his own.

I think nearly everyone on this board would disagree with that....but perhaps?You are aware Volek is nearly 30 though, right? Not exactly "young"

Yeah, that's why I went with "young/inexperienced" as in either/or but his situation being the latter. Here's another interesting stat, TN averages about 23 pts in games where Volek starts. He's 2-7 as a starter, but probably deserves to be closer to 500. You cannot expect the guy to be responsible for keeping the other team from scoring. Though he has shown his inexperience, especially under pressure, he has put some points up with limited weapons in that offense. Again, more that certain other guys have shown.

The correct term to use there would have been "inexperienced"...why would you put 'young" in there if you knew he was 29? You might want to check and see how many points they give up in these games. Not hard to score in blowouts.

The "he deserves to be closer to .500" is silly. You OBVIOUSLY havent watched any of these games and it shows.

Im sure all those big stats look great on the stat sheet, but this isnt fantasy football, and talent isnt judged by how many of your jump balls your WR comes down with.

 

[TME]

The correct term to use there would have been "inexperienced"...why would you put 'young" in there if you knew he was 29?

Dude, does it matter? You think I cannot open NFL.com, look at his stats and see that he has 6 full seasons under the belt? "Young," "inexperienced," "green" whatever. Pardon my prose.

You might want to check and see how many points they give up in these games. Not hard to score in blowouts.

Oh, that's a simple answer. The other team scored a lot, so that makes it easy for TN to score a lot. If only it were that easy. You saw all the games right? Then, I do not have to explain to you how those were not garbage points and TN was right there taking it to or hanging with KC and Oakland.

The "he deserves to be closer to .500" is silly. You OBVIOUSLY havent watched any of these games and it shows.

He's produced, and put the team in a position to win more than twice, but it's a TEAM sport, and TN's TEAM BLOWS. Actually, comparing production and results between him and McNair for 2005 and 2004, there's not a big difference. The team sucked either way, they had comparable ratings, but Volek had better TD/INT ratio.

Im sure all those big stats look great on the stat sheet, but this isnt fantasy football, and talent isnt judged by how many of your jump balls your WR comes down with.

Yeah, why give your 6'5" receiver a chance to go up and make a play . Something McNair could learn from Volek.

I am not pimping Volek. Go back through all my posts and all I have simply said, is that you would think some team would give him a chance. Not a starting job, but a chance similar to the chance that some of those other guys that I mentioned received that did less, in some cases, before receiving their chance.

You are obviously a TN homer that thinks otherwise...fine. Let him go, but don't be surprised if he gets a CHANCE somewhere else that TN was never willing to give him. I'm tired of this...out.

 

[diesel7982]

Im not trying to start a flame war with you, but you obviously do not know that of which you speak.

You dont need to start throwing out insults when you realize you are on the very wrong side of an argument.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

This just screams to me that you havent seen him play for any real amount of time and are basing your observations off the stat sheet. Is that fair?

All inexperienced QB's have faults that you can pick apart until you are blue in the face, but these faults could be corrected in the right circumstance and you could become a starter and do just fine. Sometimes it takes a few years of being a back up before you find your nitch like Delhomme and get a starting gig on a new team and do just fine. I remember when J. Plummer used to get bashed of all his int's well what happened to those???? The Chargers though Brees wasn't going to be the man and he proved them wrong. Volek definitely has talent and with the right circumstance this guy could quite possibly be successful in the right circumstance.

Yes yes, and he should start over Steve McNair. We've seen your 5 pg thread

Volek may not be the answer in Tenn but an aging McNair who has had trouble staying healthy (especially the last 2 years) and has contemplated retirement does not seem like the greatest choice playing on a rebuilding team either. Now that would be different if McNair has had any means of success in the last 2 years but in his last 22 games as a starter over the previous 2 years the Titans have had 7 wins to 16 loses . I understand McNair is a gamer and has had much success in the past but I think the time is now for the Titans to move away from McNair and look towards the future whether that be with Volek are someone else.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate

2004 Tennessee Titans 10 8 357 218 61.1 2486 6.96 48 18 10 30/216 34 5 87.1

I'm trying to figure out how these are bad numbers. 61% completion percentage. 18 TD's to 10 picks. 87.1 QB rating. For a young guy, those are pretty good numbers. Particularly on a team that was devasted with injuries.....Why all the hatin'?

That's what I don't get. The guy seems to have played well enough in limited opportunities, which have been on again, off again with the exception of a 5 game starting streak in 2005, for a team to say, "OK, no guarantees, but come in and compete and we'll give you a fair look." He has a good TD/INT ratio and a good rating. He has not won, but TN has not won period.Yes, he has taken a lot of sacks, but that may be a function of being on a bad team and inexperienced. Over 2004 and 2005, he took sacks at about a two to one rate compared to McNair but most that damage was in 2004 when the team was in shambles.

If the same "shot" has been offered to guys like Holcomb, Frerotte, Feeley, Vinny (although due to injury), Maddox, Griese, Rattay, Garcia, Delhomme, or McCown in recent memory, (and yes, Volek may not have proved as much to date as say a Vinny, Griese or Garcia who all had success somewhere/time else) why not bring in a Volek?

I am not saying Volek is any good in any way or a stud, but with all the QB need out there for competition to start or at least strong reliable backups for teams like the Jets, he seems to have shown enough that teams may be interested in giving him that shot.

This just screams to me that you havent seen him play for any real amount of time and are basing your observations off the stat sheet. Is that fair?

All inexperienced QB's have faults that you can pick apart until you are blue in the face, but these faults could be corrected in the right circumstance and you could become a starter and do just fine. Sometimes it takes a few years of being a back up before you find your nitch like Delhomme and get a starting gig on a new team and do just fine. I remember when J. Plummer used to get bashed of all his int's well what happened to those???? The Chargers though Brees wasn't going to be the man and he proved them wrong. Volek definitely has talent and with the right circumstance this guy could quite possibly be successful in the right circumstance.

Yes yes, and he should start over Steve McNair. We've seen your 5 pg thread

Volek may not be the answer in Tenn but an aging McNair who has had trouble staying healthy (especially the last 2 years) and has contemplated retirement does not seem like the greatest choice playing on a rebuilding team either. Now that would be different if McNair has had any means of success in the last 2 years but in his last 22 games as a starter over the previous 2 years the Titans have had 7 wins to 16 loses . I understand McNair is a gamer and has had much success in the past but I think the time is now for the Titans to move away from McNair and look towards the future whether that be with Volek are someone else.

That someone else will be either Young or Leinart.....not Volek.

 

[diesel7982]

Id personally like to see the Titans do away with both McNair AND Volek, sign Josh McCown and trade down a few spots and draft Jay Culter.

CCF is right that McNair has no place on a rebuilding team, but putting in a horrible guy with limited natural ability in Volek isnt the answer.

McCown has his faults too, but he has a ton of natural ability that I think can be really cultivated by good coaching.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Id personally like to see the Titans do away with both McNair AND Volek, sign Josh McCown and trade down a few spots and draft Jay Culter.

CCF is right that McNair has no place on a rebuilding team, but putting in a horrible guy with limited natural ability in Volek isnt the answer.

McCown has his faults too, but he has a ton of natural ability that I think can be really cultivated by good coaching.

What about Ramsey??

 

[diesel7982]

Id personally like to see the Titans do away with both McNair AND Volek, sign Josh McCown and trade down a few spots and draft Jay Culter. 

CCF is right that McNair has no place on a rebuilding team, but putting in a horrible guy with limited natural ability in Volek isnt the answer. 

McCown has his faults too, but he has a ton of natural ability that I think can be really cultivated by good coaching.

What about Ramsey??

What about him?

 

[TheFanatic]

Im not trying to start a flame war with you, but you obviously do not know that of which you speak.

You dont need to start throwing out insults when you realize you are on the very wrong side of an argument.

I just checked Kurt Warner's stats in 2005. 10 games, 64% completion percentage, 11 TD's 9 picks, 2 wins, 8 losses and he just signed a 3 year $18 mill deal. Those numbers are eerily similar to Volek's except for two things, Volek has much worse weapons to throw to and Volek has a much better TD/pick ratio. Volek may be 29 or 30, but he has so little time in actual games that he's a biscuit above a rookie. The guy can put up numbers. Put a team around him that's not devastated by injuries or in the middle of a fire sale and a rebuilding process and the kid can thrive. If Trent Dilfer can win a SB, if Testeverde can shed the 'Intercepteverde' nickname and make a name for himself in NY, if Plummer can go from the Cards and be a game away from the SB and be touted as an MVP candidate for part of the season, then Volek can surely be a viable starter in the NFL. If you don't think so then you need to take off the Homer Hatred glasses and pull down the Full Size Phat Head of McNair you have stuck to the ceiling over your bed. The guy shows promise on a horrible team. Is he bound for Canton? Probably not. Will he win a playoff game? Who Knows. Will he start in the NFL before he retires, I'm guessing yes.....Someone will give him a shot. Remember, Kyle Boller is a starter in this league.

 

[diesel7982]

Im not trying to start a flame war with you, but you obviously do not know that of which you speak.

You dont need to start throwing out insults when you realize you are on the very wrong side of an argument.

I just checked Kurt Warner's stats in 2005. 10 games, 64% completion percentage, 11 TD's 9 picks, 2 wins, 8 losses and he just signed a 3 year $18 mill deal. Those numbers are eerily similar to Volek's except for two things, Volek has much worse weapons to throw to and Volek has a much better TD/pick ratio. Volek may be 29 or 30, but he has so little time in actual games that he's a biscuit above a rookie. The guy can put up numbers. Put a team around him that's not devastated by injuries or in the middle of a fire sale and a rebuilding process and the kid can thrive. If Trent Dilfer can win a SB, if Testeverde can shed the 'Intercepteverde' nickname and make a name for himself in NY, if Plummer can go from the Cards and be a game away from the SB and be touted as an MVP candidate for part of the season, then Volek can surely be a viable starter in the NFL. If you don't think so then you need to take off the Homer Hatred glasses and pull down the Full Size Phat Head of McNair you have stuck to the ceiling over your bed. The guy shows promise on a horrible team. Is he bound for Canton? Probably not. Will he win a playoff game? Who Knows. Will he start in the NFL before he retires, I'm guessing yes.....Someone will give him a shot. Remember, Kyle Boller is a starter in this league.

Ah yes...I have an informed opinion from watching him...you looked at a stat sheet.OBVIOUSLY Im a homer who LOVES Steve McNair(even though Ive already said they shouldnt bring him back in this thread).

Idiot.

 

[TheFanatic]

Im not trying to start a flame war with you, but you obviously do not know that of which you speak.

You dont need to start throwing out insults when you realize you are on the very wrong side of an argument.

I just checked Kurt Warner's stats in 2005. 10 games, 64% completion percentage, 11 TD's 9 picks, 2 wins, 8 losses and he just signed a 3 year $18 mill deal. Those numbers are eerily similar to Volek's except for two things, Volek has much worse weapons to throw to and Volek has a much better TD/pick ratio. Volek may be 29 or 30, but he has so little time in actual games that he's a biscuit above a rookie. The guy can put up numbers. Put a team around him that's not devastated by injuries or in the middle of a fire sale and a rebuilding process and the kid can thrive. If Trent Dilfer can win a SB, if Testeverde can shed the 'Intercepteverde' nickname and make a name for himself in NY, if Plummer can go from the Cards and be a game away from the SB and be touted as an MVP candidate for part of the season, then Volek can surely be a viable starter in the NFL. If you don't think so then you need to take off the Homer Hatred glasses and pull down the Full Size Phat Head of McNair you have stuck to the ceiling over your bed. The guy shows promise on a horrible team. Is he bound for Canton? Probably not. Will he win a playoff game? Who Knows. Will he start in the NFL before he retires, I'm guessing yes.....Someone will give him a shot. Remember, Kyle Boller is a starter in this league.

Ah yes...I have an informed opinion from watching him...you looked at a stat sheet.OBVIOUSLY Im a homer who LOVES Steve McNair(even though Ive already said they shouldnt bring him back in this thread).

Idiot.

Uh, where did I say that I didn't watch any of the games he played in? You call me an idiot, yet your reading comprehension skills obviously need some work. I saw every game he played in. But not being a Titans Homer I wasn't expecting an MVP season. I was looking for things an inexperienced QB can build on. And the things I like the most are represented in the stat line, fairly high completion %age and a really good TD/Int ratio. Sure, he took a lot of sacks, but he didn't throw many picks avoiding sacks like I would expect a QB with his lack of experience. And with the lack of a running game two years ago the pressure was on WR's yet the guy threw nearly twice as many TD's than picks.

Too bad the guy will never be able to do anything in Nashville with all the man-love for McNair. I'm sure you would rather have one of the rookie QB's rather than a guy that is familiar with the system and say a guy drafted really high that can fill one of the many holes on your team.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Im not trying to start a flame war with you, but you obviously do not know that of which you speak.

You dont need to start throwing out insults when you realize you are on the very wrong side of an argument.

I just checked Kurt Warner's stats in 2005. 10 games, 64% completion percentage, 11 TD's 9 picks, 2 wins, 8 losses and he just signed a 3 year $18 mill deal. Those numbers are eerily similar to Volek's except for two things, Volek has much worse weapons to throw to and Volek has a much better TD/pick ratio. Volek may be 29 or 30, but he has so little time in actual games that he's a biscuit above a rookie. The guy can put up numbers. Put a team around him that's not devastated by injuries or in the middle of a fire sale and a rebuilding process and the kid can thrive. If Trent Dilfer can win a SB, if Testeverde can shed the 'Intercepteverde' nickname and make a name for himself in NY, if Plummer can go from the Cards and be a game away from the SB and be touted as an MVP candidate for part of the season, then Volek can surely be a viable starter in the NFL. If you don't think so then you need to take off the Homer Hatred glasses and pull down the Full Size Phat Head of McNair you have stuck to the ceiling over your bed. The guy shows promise on a horrible team. Is he bound for Canton? Probably not. Will he win a playoff game? Who Knows. Will he start in the NFL before he retires, I'm guessing yes.....Someone will give him a shot. Remember, Kyle Boller is a starter in this league.

This is exactly my thoughts on the Volek situation but you said it so much better.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Im not trying to start a flame war with you, but you obviously do not know that of which you speak.

You dont need to start throwing out insults when you realize you are on the very wrong side of an argument.

I just checked Kurt Warner's stats in 2005. 10 games, 64% completion percentage, 11 TD's 9 picks, 2 wins, 8 losses and he just signed a 3 year $18 mill deal. Those numbers are eerily similar to Volek's except for two things, Volek has much worse weapons to throw to and Volek has a much better TD/pick ratio. Volek may be 29 or 30, but he has so little time in actual games that he's a biscuit above a rookie. The guy can put up numbers. Put a team around him that's not devastated by injuries or in the middle of a fire sale and a rebuilding process and the kid can thrive. If Trent Dilfer can win a SB, if Testeverde can shed the 'Intercepteverde' nickname and make a name for himself in NY, if Plummer can go from the Cards and be a game away from the SB and be touted as an MVP candidate for part of the season, then Volek can surely be a viable starter in the NFL. If you don't think so then you need to take off the Homer Hatred glasses and pull down the Full Size Phat Head of McNair you have stuck to the ceiling over your bed. The guy shows promise on a horrible team. Is he bound for Canton? Probably not. Will he win a playoff game? Who Knows. Will he start in the NFL before he retires, I'm guessing yes.....Someone will give him a shot. Remember, Kyle Boller is a starter in this league.

Ah yes...I have an informed opinion from watching him...you looked at a stat sheet.OBVIOUSLY Im a homer who LOVES Steve McNair(even though Ive already said they shouldnt bring him back in this thread).

Idiot.

Uh, where did I say that I didn't watch any of the games he played in? You call me an idiot, yet your reading comprehension skills obviously need some work. I saw every game he played in. But not being a Titans Homer I wasn't expecting an MVP season. I was looking for things an inexperienced QB can build on. And the things I like the most are represented in the stat line, fairly high completion %age and a really good TD/Int ratio. Sure, he took a lot of sacks, but he didn't throw many picks avoiding sacks like I would expect a QB with his lack of experience. And with the lack of a running game two years ago the pressure was on WR's yet the guy threw nearly twice as many TD's than picks.

Too bad the guy will never be able to do anything in Nashville with all the man-love for McNair. I'm sure you would rather have one of the rookie QB's rather than a guy that is familiar with the system and say a guy drafted really high that can fill one of the many holes on your team.

Diesel got

 

[Garts]

I think Volek would be great in Oakland.