Waiver setup for dynasty (1 Viewer)

[valhallan]

I've always thought a worst-to-first waiver wire order is the best setup for a dynasty league since it enables weaker teams to get better, which helps maintain competitive balance and keeps owners from giving up. However, my league is grumbling that the successful teams are being "penalized" and the weaker teams are being "rewarded". What does the shark pool think? Am I wrong in thinking worst-to-first is the most appropriate waiver setup for a dynasty league?

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I think the blind bid for a few days. Then first come, first serve until the the first game. This allows teams to manage money and gives another layer of strategy to dynasty leagues.

 

[valhallan]

Yes, waivers are processed on Wed at 8pm then first come, first serve until kickoff.

I like blind bidding too, but felt it was more appropriate for a redraft league than a dynasty.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Yes, waivers are processed on Wed at 8pm then first come, first serve until kickoff. I like blind bidding too, but felt it was more appropriate for a redraft league than a dynasty.

We use blind bid for a couple of dynasty leagues I am in and I enjoy it that way. The two HyperActive leagues are the ones I am referring to. Jeter23 is the commish. Maybe it is just me.

 

[dmac37]

I think the blind bid for a few days. Then first come, first serve until the the first game. This allows teams to manage money and gives another layer of strategy to dynasty leagues.

I like the idea to involve strategy when ever possible, blind bid is the way to go!

 

[DoubleG]

I've always thought a worst-to-first waiver wire order is the best setup for a dynasty league since it enables weaker teams to get better, which helps maintain competitive balance and keeps owners from giving up. However, my league is grumbling that the successful teams are being "penalized" and the weaker teams are being "rewarded". What does the shark pool think? Am I wrong in thinking worst-to-first is the most appropriate waiver setup for a dynasty league?

Allow teams to trade WW prioroties like draft picks - adds yet another layer of strategy without totally rejecting the worst-to-first benefits. To be honest, many of the bad teams in dynasty leagues don't do much WW-wise - that's why they're bad teams. I do think it's fair going worst-to-first because if a team gets screwed because of injuries it does give them a chance to improve -it's not "rewarding the weaker teams" it's allowing the teams that may have gotten torched by a fluke injury early to at least land a guy who may be able to fill in the gap until the guy they lost get's hurt.The problem with dynasty leagues (if you have big rosters) and NOT going worst-to-first is that it would be possible for a good player who had a good initial draft and few good WW pickups to start hoarding a position - yes, to a certain extent I realize that's the point - to build a dynasty, but in reality it can strip the league of competitive balance.

 

[MOAT]

They are right. I would think even more-so in a dynasty league. I hope that they are asking you to go to a blind-bid waiver system.

Here is why they are right...in a dynasty league as teams all out of contention they trade away their current good players for "future players". A worst to first waiver system will give them their pick of the players that either "emerge" or become starters due to injury. Since they will continue to lose, they get their pick every week. If they can then pick up the injury replacements and hostage them to teams still in the hunt. That way they can stack their team for next year.

I understand selling away this year's team for next year's. However, the worst to first waiver system let's a team sell away their team and the pillage other teams all year.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

They are right. I would think even more-so in a dynasty league. I hope that they are asking you to go to a blind-bid waiver system.Here is why they are right...in a dynasty league as teams all out of contention they trade away their current good players for "future players". A worst to first waiver system will give them their pick of the players that either "emerge" or become starters due to injury. Since they will continue to lose, they get their pick every week. If they can then pick up the injury replacements and hostage them to teams still in the hunt. That way they can stack their team for next year.I understand selling away this year's team for next year's. However, the worst to first waiver system let's a team sell away their team and the pillage other teams all year.

 

[valhallan]

Yes, waivers are processed on Wed at 8pm then first come, first serve until kickoff. I like blind bidding too, but felt it was more appropriate for a redraft league than a dynasty.

We use blind bid for a couple of dynasty leagues I am in and I enjoy it that way. The two HyperActive leagues are the ones I am referring to. Jeter23 is the commish. Maybe it is just me.

I understand that blind bidding brings more strategy and is certainly more fun, but as a commish my concern is maintaining fair competition. I think blind bidding is prefectly fair in a redraft but it seems like it could be detrimental to a dynasty league, as the weak teams may never get better and then they quit and we can't find an owner to take over a crappy roster.Or am I crazy?

 

[fsufan]

i play in 4 dynasty leagues and all use the WW, then it is first come first serve, best way

 

[DoubleG]

i play in 4 dynasty leagues and all use the WW, then it is first come first serve, best way

This reduces WW pickups to whoever happens to check FF websites just as news breaks/someone get's hurt/etc. I don't want my FF season to go into the toilet because I was watching my son's football game, while some other loser who was downloading pr0n happened to notice that my Big Stud RB broke his ankle in practice today. A few years back, I won a league that processed WW that way - simply because I happened to be online when a guy who didn't know much about FF cut a solid RB2 - I picked him up within minutes. The next day everyone was screaming wanting to know how he got on my team. I laughed - I won - but I thought if I would have been any of those other owners, I would be pissed too.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Yes, waivers are processed on Wed at 8pm then first come, first serve until kickoff. I like blind bidding too, but felt it was more appropriate for a redraft league than a dynasty.

We use blind bid for a couple of dynasty leagues I am in and I enjoy it that way. The two HyperActive leagues are the ones I am referring to. Jeter23 is the commish. Maybe it is just me.

I understand that blind bidding brings more strategy and is certainly more fun, but as a commish my concern is maintaining fair competition. I think blind bidding is prefectly fair in a redraft but it seems like it could be detrimental to a dynasty league, as the weak teams may never get better and then they quit and we can't find an owner to take over a crappy roster.Or am I crazy?

well, getting better rookie picks should help the poor teams. one twist that one of my leagues uses, is it gives more cash to the worse teams and less to the better teams. Personally, I prefer equal to all just because it is difficult to tell which teams will be good in a given year. There are many I thought would do well, and many I thought would stink ... and I was dead wrong. fwiw, i just spent 70% of my annual BB allowance on Wynn and gladly did so because I had other Packer RBs on my team. It was worth it to me.

 

[fsufan]

i play in 4 dynasty leagues and all use the WW, then it is first come first serve, best way

This reduces WW pickups to whoever happens to check FF websites just as news breaks/someone get's hurt/etc. I don't want my FF season to go into the toilet because I was watching my son's football game, while some other loser who was downloading pr0n happened to notice that my Big Stud RB broke his ankle in practice today.

the WW process Thursday morning in 2 leagues and Friday morning in the others. plus the leagues are deep(220 players or 280 players) so there in not much to pock up. dynasty rosters should be large enough so there is not much to pick up off the WW

 

[valhallan]

dynasty rosters should be large enough so there is not much to pick up off the WW

That's another factor. My league has 300 players rostered. There really isn't much value left out there..

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

dynasty rosters should be large enough so there is not much to pick up off the WW

That's another factor. My league has 300 players rostered. There really isn't much value left out there..

The two leagues referenced above are 12 teamers X 26 players and there are 10+ waiver moves a week

 

[fsufan]

i did play in a dynasty league that used the blind bid. we had x amount of fake $ to use for the year,. it did add strategy to picking up players.

 

[valhallan]

Thanks for the thoughts, guys.. I imagine my league will vote for blind bidding next year.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Blind bidding is the best and is fair to everyone. Why should a team get benefits from being bad?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Blind bidding is the best and is fair to everyone. Why should a team get benefits from being bad?

I have always agreed with this.... why the hell should someone have 1st pick at the FAs every week because your in last place... everyone was at the same Draft.Blind bidding is the best I know of... in my leagues; we do it twice a week. Once Wednesday Night then again Friday night after the real Injury Reports comeout. Then during the Weekends; teams can FCFS, each FCFS takes 1/20th ($5) of their FCFS.

 

[dino259]

i play in 4 dynasty leagues and all use the WW, then it is first come first serve, best way

This reduces WW pickups to whoever happens to check FF websites just as news breaks/someone get's hurt/etc. I don't want my FF season to go into the toilet because I was watching my son's football game, while some other loser who was downloading pr0n happened to notice that my Big Stud RB broke his ankle in practice today.

A few years back, I won a league that processed WW that way - simply because I happened to be online when a guy who didn't know much about FF cut a solid RB2 - I picked him up within minutes. The next day everyone was screaming wanting to know how he got on my team. I laughed - I won - but I thought if I would have been any of those other owners, I would be pissed too.

Shouldn't this guy have went on waivers himself? Every league I have seen, when a guy is cut he goes on waivers for 1-3 days.

 

[Banger]

We used to do the waiver process the way you described but quickly found that the bad teams were scooping up all the players and trading them or trading their waiver wire pick. So to counteract that we have the waivers ranked by record after the 1st week but do not reset them weekly, thereby making any decision to pick up a guy a big deal since you move all the way down the waiver wire. It takes a long time to work your way back to the top so it makes you very selective on the player you pick up.

 

[D.O.M.]

We use MFL.com and the system maintains a season-long rolling waiver order, moving the franchise that picks (and gets their pick) to the bottom of the list. The only way to move up to the top of the list is to not pick for several weeks while the other teams pick and fall to the bottom. Seems to work pretty well for us.

 

[Restricted]

Blind bidding is the best and is fair to everyone. Why should a team get benefits from being bad?

I have always agreed with this.... why the hell should someone have 1st pick at the FAs every week because your in last place... everyone was at the same Draft.

The question was about Dynasty, not redraft. Our Dynasty has ran somewhere in the 8-10 year range and we have gone through some different owners. We do a worst to first priority until a certain day and then it's free-for-all. True it works good prior to week one but this doesn't guarantee the "worst" team the priority all the time as better teams can lose the first couple of weeks.The reason you want the bad teams to get better is to keep the competition level up in the league. One of our worst teams just acquired a new owner last year. This being only his second year, I could allready tell that he was getting a bit down on owning the team. Well, he got Peterson (Minn) in the draft and was able to scoop up Ward week one of waivers, giving him a much better starting RB crew than who he would of started (F. Taylor and Foster). Week two he gave the league champ that went undefeated last year almost more than he could handle, with the champ barely winning. Hopefully it will keep him an interested and active owner.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

We do two rounds of worst to first waivers and then free for all