Waiver Wire Ethics (1 Viewer)

[smarchit]

Earlier this week, a team in my dynasty league waived Fred Jackson. It seemed suspicious, but there were no other comments by the team owner claiming a mistake at the time. I noticed the move about 12 hours later when I was reviewing my WW claims. While it definitely did not seem like a very above board move, I also would've had a difficult time letting him slip past my #1 priority. So I adjusted my moves and added him to my team. If I didn't, somebody else would've jumped on him.

Later in the day, after claims had processed, another owner finally broke the silence on the league board and expressed disbelief that Jackson was dropped in a dynasty, or any league for that matter, and questioned if it was a mistake.

The original owner has now come out and said that it was a mistake, and that he has "asked several times for his return" (although that league message board post is the first contact I have from him). Claims that he tried to "drop him in the trade block, and ended up dropping him off my team."

For those of you that are familiar with the Fleaflicker layout that this league uses, you will see that making that kind of error is very difficult to do. Adding players to the trading block and cutting players from your team are two distinct actions made from completely different pages. There is no drop down option that could have led to this mistake. And even if you do manage to accidentally cut the wrong player, an "Are you sure?" secondary prompt is presented before the move is finalized. So while I believe that the drop was a mistake (not a move anybody in their right mind would make), I also have a hard time believing that it went down the way the original owner stated. The fact that his post already contains one confirmed lie in addition to this explanation doesn't help gaining my sympathy.

What would be the proper way to handle this situation? Should it just be a reversal of all moves? Or am I in a position to only return Jackson if an acceptable trade can be worked out? Don't want to upset the apple cart, but also don't want to just give up what may be rightly mine. Since my vision is likely biased from being directly involved, what are the views of the masses?

 

[shadyridr]

obviously it was a mistake. use some common sense

 

[GDogg]

Jackson is rightly yours. It's just a matter of whether you want to be a #### about it or not. I'd send Fred Jackson back to the other owner. Although, I might (half) jokingly request that he send me some depth at RB in exchange.

 

[runner06]

Are you the commish?

If you are, I would reverse the action. If you're not the commish, I would let the commish make a decision.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

It sounds like you are looking for a reason to keep him even though you realize the right thing to do is to give him back.

 

[Kanil]

You're an ### if you keep Jackson. HTH.

 

[phillybirds]

No one with any common sense would drop him unless it was a mistake. Only a total ####head would insist on keeping him. Right thing to do is give him back.

 

[Chairshot]

obviously it was a mistake. use some common sense

This seems like the obvious answer.There is no reason he would drop Jackson on purpose. Maybe he got drunk and made a mistake. Who knows. Just give him back the player and keep your eye on him.The last league I ran had a "stupidity" clause in the rules. What it basically said is you have a right to be stupid with your team since you paid your money, but that the league had a right to not have stupid owners, so any owner could be voted out in the off season for being an idiot.So, I'd give him back Jackson but I would probably seriously consider talking to the commish about if the guy should be in the league going forward. People make mistakes, that's fine. But if he ends showing some kind of pattern of stupidity, he might need to go.

 

[Apple Jack]

Sounds like something somebody would do while wasted. Especially if the explanation is fishy. Either way, give him back.

 

[NickyHatton]

It sounds like you are looking for a reason to keep him even though you realize the right thing to do is to give him back.

this sounds right. giving him back is the right thing to do

 

[emge]

It was a mistake, but it is the owners fault. Not your fault enjoy and keep Fred Jackson.

"hey i guys i made a mistake too, I didn't mean to draft Jamaal Charles, I meant to draft Calvin Johnson with my 1st round pick"

"hey i meant to put a claim for Morris instead of Ronnie Brown, but someone else claimed Morris after me, shouldn't I be given Morris?"

 

[phillybirds]

If someone dropped a $20 bill on the ground, you picked it up, and they said oops, can I have my $20 bill back, obviously I didn't mean to drop it, would you insist on keeping it?

 

[spodog]

What would be the proper way to handle this situation?

Quit fishing this board for excuses, acknowledge that it was a goof, and return Jackson to where he belongs. If a dog wandered onto your property, and you kept him overnight, then received a call from his owner who saw him in your yard, would you ask for a few puppies in exchange for returning him to his rightful owner to "balance things out" ?Don't be a jerk. Do the right thing.

 

[AngryPatriot]

give him back

 

[eric rymer]

You gotta give him back. You know that even without asking. The question is did you miss out on who you had waiver claims on? That's where it will get tricky for the Commish

 

[The_Wolfman]

If someone dropped a $20 bill on the ground, you picked it up, and they said oops, can I have my $20 bill back, obviously I didn't mean to drop it, would you insist on keeping it?

What if you drop your $20 bill on the ground, leave it there for two days, then after someone picks it up you still wait until a 3rd party questions the pick up to say "oh yeah that was mine"?I assume this league, like most, has a couple day waiting period for waivers to clear. Even if the initial drop was a mistake why did it take the owner so long to come out and say it was a mistake? If he comes out immediately or even the next day and says it was an accident then you obviously wouldn't even claim Jackson to begin with.The fact that the original owner waited until after he was claimed to say anything seems very suspicious. Undoubtedly the OP lost out on another player he could have added from the WW by adding Jackson, so shouldn't he be compensated for that somehow? Ultimately, I think you probably should give Jackson back, but I'd keep an eye on the owner who dropped him, something seems off here...

 

[bleachercreacher]

At this point I think he's yours. The commish should have handled it way before waivers ran.

 

[emge]

give him back

keep him, you claimed him, he's yoursunless there's a constitution and it states that dumb player moves should be reversed.

 

[emge]

At this point I think he's yours. The commish should have handled it way before waivers ran.

I agree. If what he says is true that he was trying to put him in trade block, he would have posted something on board right away not wait days to say something about it.You play to win, not to be a safety net for dumb owners who don't know how to manage a fantasy team.

 

[phillybirds]

If someone dropped a $20 bill on the ground, you picked it up, and they said oops, can I have my $20 bill back, obviously I didn't mean to drop it, would you insist on keeping it?

What if you drop your $20 bill on the ground, leave it there for two days, then after someone picks it up you still wait until a 3rd party questions the pick up to say "oh yeah that was mine"?I assume this league, like most, has a couple day waiting period for waivers to clear. Even if the initial drop was a mistake why did it take the owner so long to come out and say it was a mistake? If he comes out immediately or even the next day and says it was an accident then you obviously wouldn't even claim Jackson to begin with.The fact that the original owner waited until after he was claimed to say anything seems very suspicious. Undoubtedly the OP lost out on another player he could have added from the WW by adding Jackson, so shouldn't he be compensated for that somehow? Ultimately, I think you probably should give Jackson back, but I'd keep an eye on the owner who dropped him, something seems off here...

What about it seems suspicious? And by that I mean, what could someone have to gain from doing that? If they have nothing to gain from it then it was either a mistake, or the person somehow decided Fred Jackson is a bum and cut him...in which case he is not only too stupid to play fantasy football, but he's too stupid to breath the same air as you and me. Common sense thing to do in this case is give him back and not force the commish to have to rule on it.

 

[Johnny Blood]

He's your player now. The guy waited for days to say anything, and waivers have already processed. In fact he waited until someone else called out his idiotic move before he said anything. It's pretty easy to say something was a mistake after the whole league concludes your action was idiotic.

Maybe he'll learn to pay attention.

Even aside from his "mistake" much of the story is odd. If you're telling the truth, then he is lying about posting messages and lying about the alleged mechanics of the drop. The fleaflicker interface doesn't work this way.

I understand the case for saying this is a mistake, don't be a jerk, etc., but by my standards people make idiotic moves all the time. They shouldn't all be undone, and setting a precedent of undoing waivers claims will generate huge headaches in the future.

 

[duaneok66]

Earlier this week, a team in my dynasty league waived Fred Jackson. It seemed suspicious, but there were no other comments by the team owner claiming a mistake at the time. I noticed the move about 12 hours later when I was reviewing my WW claims. While it definitely did not seem like a very above board move, I also would've had a difficult time letting him slip past my #1 priority. So I adjusted my moves and added him to my team. If I didn't, somebody else would've jumped on him.Later in the day, after claims had processed, another owner finally broke the silence on the league board and expressed disbelief that Jackson was dropped in a dynasty, or any league for that matter, and questioned if it was a mistake. The original owner has now come out and said that it was a mistake, and that he has "asked several times for his return" (although that league message board post is the first contact I have from him). Claims that he tried to "drop him in the trade block, and ended up dropping him off my team." For those of you that are familiar with the Fleaflicker layout that this league uses, you will see that making that kind of error is very difficult to do. Adding players to the trading block and cutting players from your team are two distinct actions made from completely different pages. There is no drop down option that could have led to this mistake. And even if you do manage to accidentally cut the wrong player, an "Are you sure?" secondary prompt is presented before the move is finalized. So while I believe that the drop was a mistake (not a move anybody in their right mind would make), I also have a hard time believing that it went down the way the original owner stated. The fact that his post already contains one confirmed lie in addition to this explanation doesn't help gaining my sympathy.What would be the proper way to handle this situation? Should it just be a reversal of all moves? Or am I in a position to only return Jackson if an acceptable trade can be worked out? Don't want to upset the apple cart, but also don't want to just give up what may be rightly mine. Since my vision is likely biased from being directly involved, what are the views of the masses?

unreal . . .why did i even click on this thread?? I knew what time it was . . .

 

[The_Wolfman]

If someone dropped a $20 bill on the ground, you picked it up, and they said oops, can I have my $20 bill back, obviously I didn't mean to drop it, would you insist on keeping it?

What if you drop your $20 bill on the ground, leave it there for two days, then after someone picks it up you still wait until a 3rd party questions the pick up to say "oh yeah that was mine"?I assume this league, like most, has a couple day waiting period for waivers to clear. Even if the initial drop was a mistake why did it take the owner so long to come out and say it was a mistake? If he comes out immediately or even the next day and says it was an accident then you obviously wouldn't even claim Jackson to begin with.The fact that the original owner waited until after he was claimed to say anything seems very suspicious. Undoubtedly the OP lost out on another player he could have added from the WW by adding Jackson, so shouldn't he be compensated for that somehow? Ultimately, I think you probably should give Jackson back, but I'd keep an eye on the owner who dropped him, something seems off here...

What about it seems suspicious? And by that I mean, what could someone have to gain from doing that? If they have nothing to gain from it then it was either a mistake, or the person somehow decided Fred Jackson is a bum and cut him...in which case he is not only too stupid to play fantasy football, but he's too stupid to breath the same air as you and me. Common sense thing to do in this case is give him back and not force the commish to have to rule on it.

If it was a mistake why did he wait so long to say anything? The fact that he waited until after waivers had processed AND after someone else said something raised some suspicion in my mind.So OP picks up Fjax...meaning there were other unclaimed WW players he could have had but didn't, that are possibly claimed now. So he does lose out on something by just giving him back. Plus, if it's continual rolling waivers he loses out on a high waiver priority too.

 

[netnalp]

At this point I think he's yours. The commish should have handled it way before waivers ran.

Could be the Commish was slow in responding. If he was sent several emails, it looks to me the Commish doesn't check his league messages everyday.I don't understand why he didn't contact the rest of the league informing them of the mistake. That can remedy a lot of these problems. If I need to phone in a lineup change, I make sure to call the guy I'm playing too as a courtesy, so he knows that my lineup on the site will be altered.

 

[kegger]

I'd give him back,

BUT, since you got hosed in WW I would ask for some kind of compensation.

(may not much but something)

It would also teach him to pay attention, stupid moves should have consequences.

 

[phillybirds]

If someone dropped a $20 bill on the ground, you picked it up, and they said oops, can I have my $20 bill back, obviously I didn't mean to drop it, would you insist on keeping it?

What if you drop your $20 bill on the ground, leave it there for two days, then after someone picks it up you still wait until a 3rd party questions the pick up to say "oh yeah that was mine"?I assume this league, like most, has a couple day waiting period for waivers to clear. Even if the initial drop was a mistake why did it take the owner so long to come out and say it was a mistake? If he comes out immediately or even the next day and says it was an accident then you obviously wouldn't even claim Jackson to begin with.The fact that the original owner waited until after he was claimed to say anything seems very suspicious. Undoubtedly the OP lost out on another player he could have added from the WW by adding Jackson, so shouldn't he be compensated for that somehow? Ultimately, I think you probably should give Jackson back, but I'd keep an eye on the owner who dropped him, something seems off here...

What about it seems suspicious? And by that I mean, what could someone have to gain from doing that? If they have nothing to gain from it then it was either a mistake, or the person somehow decided Fred Jackson is a bum and cut him...in which case he is not only too stupid to play fantasy football, but he's too stupid to breath the same air as you and me. Common sense thing to do in this case is give him back and not force the commish to have to rule on it.

If it was a mistake why did he wait so long to say anything? The fact that he waited until after waivers had processed AND after someone else said something raised some suspicion in my mind.So OP picks up Fjax...meaning there were other unclaimed WW players he could have had but didn't, that are possibly claimed now. So he does lose out on something by just giving him back. Plus, if it's continual rolling waivers he loses out on a high waiver priority too.

You make a good point about all the other moves that might have been made...it does kind of muck things up depending on how many were made. Of course dropping a stud player for no reason and allowing him to go to another team also ####'s things up for the league. If there was a way for the commish to reverse all the moves and reassign the wavier priorities again, I would think it would be the right thing to do. Would probably be a pain in the rear, but I think it would protect league integrity more than allowing a stud player to change hands because of a mistake. And if it does come out that this owner is that stupid that it wasn't a mistake, then he needs be kicked out of that league after the season.

 

[Johnny Blood]

I never know what "league integrity" is supposed to really mean, but whatever it is, wasn't it compromised when this moron joined the league? His dumb decisions impact what other players do, that's the threat to league integrity and that's just a fact they have to live with. Of course everyone who didn't get Jackson will be jealous and have reason to think the move should be undone in order to preserve "league integrity". You need clear rules about this stuff not some interventionist policy aiming at some nebulous idea of league integrity. There are many issues involved here: lost waiver priority spots, the opportunity cost of the OP taking Jackson instead of someone else, what happened to the player the OP dropped to pick up Jackson, etc. Are you really going to unroll all of that? If not you're screwing other players to subsidize this idiot's team. There may even be costs that cannot be undone. If there were multiple waiver claims now people have knowledge they should not have. They know many of the claims other people put in!

If there is no proof that he contacted the commish before waivers then I don't think there should be any consideration of undoing the move.

But his story is 100% BS from my perspective, fleaflicker just does not work like that. You can't say the move was objectively stupid therefore it was a mistake. We only have the OP's side of the story, but if that is accurate, it isn't at all clear this was a mistake, and the player in question does not sound honest.

 

[The_Wolfman]

If someone dropped a $20 bill on the ground, you picked it up, and they said oops, can I have my $20 bill back, obviously I didn't mean to drop it, would you insist on keeping it?

What if you drop your $20 bill on the ground, leave it there for two days, then after someone picks it up you still wait until a 3rd party questions the pick up to say "oh yeah that was mine"?I assume this league, like most, has a couple day waiting period for waivers to clear. Even if the initial drop was a mistake why did it take the owner so long to come out and say it was a mistake? If he comes out immediately or even the next day and says it was an accident then you obviously wouldn't even claim Jackson to begin with.The fact that the original owner waited until after he was claimed to say anything seems very suspicious. Undoubtedly the OP lost out on another player he could have added from the WW by adding Jackson, so shouldn't he be compensated for that somehow? Ultimately, I think you probably should give Jackson back, but I'd keep an eye on the owner who dropped him, something seems off here...

What about it seems suspicious? And by that I mean, what could someone have to gain from doing that? If they have nothing to gain from it then it was either a mistake, or the person somehow decided Fred Jackson is a bum and cut him...in which case he is not only too stupid to play fantasy football, but he's too stupid to breath the same air as you and me. Common sense thing to do in this case is give him back and not force the commish to have to rule on it.

If it was a mistake why did he wait so long to say anything? The fact that he waited until after waivers had processed AND after someone else said something raised some suspicion in my mind.So OP picks up Fjax...meaning there were other unclaimed WW players he could have had but didn't, that are possibly claimed now. So he does lose out on something by just giving him back. Plus, if it's continual rolling waivers he loses out on a high waiver priority too.

You make a good point about all the other moves that might have been made...it does kind of muck things up depending on how many were made. Of course dropping a stud player for no reason and allowing him to go to another team also ####'s things up for the league. If there was a way for the commish to reverse all the moves and reassign the wavier priorities again, I would think it would be the right thing to do. Would probably be a pain in the rear, but I think it would protect league integrity more than allowing a stud player to change hands because of a mistake. And if it does come out that this owner is that stupid that it wasn't a mistake, then he needs be kicked out of that league after the season.

Exactly and I agree with you about the ultimate outcome of the situation, but I would keep an eye on the Fjax owner. Even though it's unlikely it is at least possible he was looking for an edge somewhere here. Just a weird situation all around.

 

[Johnny Blood]

Conceivable scams:

Coordinated waiver drop to circumvent trade deadline.

Coordinated waiver drop to collude with someone else's team (perhaps combined with a mistaken belief about who had #1 waiver priority)

These seem unlikely given the story conveyed above but we already know this guy is incompetent so...

 

[Apple Jack]

There's way too much context missing here. Do you know this person? Does anybody in the league know this person? Is he an idiot? Is he busy and not really paying attention? Jackson is on a bye week this week, so maybe hasn't been paying attention and just decided to cut him? I know I'd want the guy to prove that he tried to contact you or the commissioner about it prior to the third party bringing it up, considering you say he did nothing. I forget sometimes that people get in leagues with strangers. I would never want to do this with a bunch of strangers. Much of the fun is doing it with friends.

 

[GregR]

I'd give him back, BUT, since you got hosed in WW I would ask for some kind of compensation.(may not much but something)It would also teach him to pay attention, stupid moves should have consequences.

Best post.Trade him back but since you lost out on a chance to pick up a player, plus had to cut one of your own, get something small in compensation. Like trade him Jackson and your 3rd round rookie pick for his 2nd round rookie pick. Or maybe swap a backup player for a slightly better backup player.

 

[phillybirds]

I never know what "league integrity" is supposed to really mean, but whatever it is, wasn't it compromised when this moron joined the league? His dumb decisions impact what other players do, that's the threat to league integrity and that's just a fact they have to live with. Of course everyone who didn't get Jackson will be jealous and have reason to think the move should be undone in order to preserve "league integrity". You need clear rules about this stuff not some interventionist policy aiming at some nebulous idea of league integrity. There are many issues involved here: lost waiver priority spots, the opportunity cost of the OP taking Jackson instead of someone else, what happened to the player the OP dropped to pick up Jackson, etc. Are you really going to unroll all of that? If not you're screwing other players to subsidize this idiot's team. There may even be costs that cannot be undone. If there were multiple waiver claims now people have knowledge they should not have. They know many of the claims other people put in!If there is no proof that he contacted the commish before waivers then I don't think there should be any consideration of undoing the move.But his story is 100% BS from my perspective, fleaflicker just does not work like that. You can't say the move was objectively stupid therefore it was a mistake. We only have the OP's side of the story, but if that is accurate, it isn't at all clear this was a mistake, and the player in question does not sound honest.

I take integrity of the league just means making sure things are fair, and issues (like this one) that come up are dealt with in a way that is best for the league. Allowing a stud player to switch teams with no compensation (because of what was claimed...and I would think somewhat reasonable to assume a mistake), seems like something that could shift power in the league and I would think all other owners in the league would be really annoyed by it. I know I'd be really angry to see someone in my league be able to grab a Fred Jackson off of waivers when the other owner was claiming it was a mistake. I would think all other owners would as well. I take back my original comment that the guy who picked him up should give him back for nothing. Ultimately the commish will have to make the decision. But I do think that the commish should reverse all moves and reassign priority. And keep a close eye on the owner the rest of the way. Maybe also write a rule on how to deal with this next time if it comes up again. Glad something like this hasn't come up in the league I play in. So much better when things just run smoothly.

 

[Abstract]

Give him back, bro.

I did the same thing last season and accidentally dropped Hakeem Nicks. I told the commish and the other owners in my league what happened and he was returned to my team immediately.

 

[KOTC]

I'm a believer that a drop is a drop. I have a fleaflicker team and it really does try to idiot proof dropping guys by asking if "you are sure". Think the point of this is to try and eliminate these situations.

I would love to say that I would give him back to the owner if I were in that situation, but then again, I'm pretty competitive and I want to win so keeping him is tempting.

Honestly, I guess if I were in your shoes I'd keep him. Some may disagree and from what I've read most will, but that's just where I stand.

Good luck with whatever you end up deciding...

 

[footballnerd]

owner really messed s@$t up, unless the commish wants to reverse everything, give you your choice of the recent waiver acquisitions, or return your #1 priority....keep him. What an idiot.

 

[Johnny Blood]

Give him back, bro. I did the same thing last season and accidentally dropped Hakeem Nicks. I told the commish and the other owners in my league what happened and he was returned to my team immediately.

You know you did that accidentally. We don't know that this guy did "the same thing." In fact if the OP is telling the truth this guy didn't tell the commish or the other owners.Are you also saying you tried to take someone off FleaFlicker's trading block and accidentally cut them? Can you explain how? You can't even cut players from that screen.

 

[Tony Reali]

Only on this forum would someone who obviously made a mistake be called an idiot and suck the fun out of a league for one owner who made a mistake

I bet you all instantly made threads asking about how Jerome Harrison's brain tumor affects his dynasty value too, didn't you?

With regards to the WW issue, I think the commissioner should replace FJax on his team and reset the waivers for the week (as in put all picked up players back on waivers, same waiver order, etc) and have them go through Tomorrow instead. Otherwise, maybe just FJax back to him for some late round pick

Although are you implying that the owner might have been dropping FJax for another owner to pick him up and they were somehow colluding?

 

[Johnny Blood]

How do you know he obviously made a mistake? What was Jackson ranked by most mass-media pundits before the season? RB #40? How many spots below people like Ben Jarvus Green Ellis? Why do you assume this guy is competent and knows what he is doing? Why do you proceed from the fact that this was a stupid act to concluding that it was an accident?

"Otherwise, maybe just FJax back to him for some late round pick" --- man wouldn't it be hilarious if FJax was a late round pick in this league? What does the "round pick" have to do with anything? This whole thread is based on the discrepancy between Jackson's pre-season projections and his current value... His preseason adp was 7th-8th round so if the round matters then FJax isn't undroppable in the first place.

 

[ponchsox]

Do what you think is best but IMO you are under no obligation to return him to the owner that f'd up. Maybe he will learn to be more careful next time.

 

[johnadams]

No one with any common sense would drop him unless it was a mistake. Only a total ####head would insist on keeping him. Right thing to do is give him back.

 

[phillybirds]

How do you know he obviously made a mistake? What was Jackson ranked by most mass-media pundits before the season? RB #40? How many spots below people like Ben Jarvus Green Ellis? Why do you assume this guy is competent and knows what he is doing? Why do you proceed from the fact that this was a stupid act to concluding that it was an accident?"Otherwise, maybe just FJax back to him for some late round pick" --- man wouldn't it be hilarious if FJax was a late round pick in this league? What does the "round pick" have to do with anything? This whole thread is based on the discrepancy between Jackson's pre-season projections and his current value... His preseason adp was 7th-8th round so if the round matters then FJax isn't undroppable in the first place.

Well, if the guy isn't competent, then the OP is wasting time playing in a league with him and wasting our time asking the question. I guess I assume that most people on these boards are at least somewhat competent that they would never do such a thing on purpose and play in leagues with somewhat competent people. But I guess I could be wrong. I forgot there could be 10 year old in the guys league or idiots from work who know nothing about football. Anyway, it's fun to speculate given the info we have. Hope the OP tells us the final result of all of this.

 

[Johnny Blood]

Many fantasy players lack common sense!

Everyone here knows that there are people who will hold 2 kickers in a shallow bench league where there is no reason to do so. Therefore some fantasy football players have no common sense. QED. So that argument goes nowhere.

 

[eakfootball]

Give him back, imagine if you had lost Jackson.

 

[footballnerd]

It's easy to say just give him back but the OP lost a #1 waiver priority, there needs to be a total reverse or compensation here.

 

[barista]

Doesn't this sort of thing always end up as returning the player dropped accidentally? This case seems obviously accidental. FF runs on these online apps and there should be allowances for user error. Otherwise why even pretend there's a commissioner?

 

[da_budman]

A question I havent seen asked. Did the other guy make other waiver wire moves/ So that this one would be 1 in a series? Or did this move stand alone. If it stands alone I would be inclined to beleive that he just made a mistake ( albeit a stupid one)

Also those who are saying he didnt say anything about it until someone alerted him to it. Wouldnt that tend to subsatantiate his claim as opposed to calling it into question?

Playing devils advocate, If I made that mistake and made no other waiver wire moves, and I wouldnt necessarily think to look and see if I had accidently ( again stupidly) dropped him? Why would I? Unless im being proactiv and using that interface to offer trades, just putting someone on the trading block is a passive move ...that needs no action.

If the guy, after the fact, started lying about sending messages...well thats just dumb.

Bottom line. If it is an honest mistake you have to give him back. However I do agree you deserve some sort of compensation to make you whole. Maybe work something out with the guy where he gives you a backup player comensurate with the value of the player you would have reasonably expected in your waiver spot.

 

[phillybirds]

It's easy to say just give him back but the OP lost a #1 waiver priority, there needs to be a total reverse or compensation here.

I agree. I didn't take the big picture (waiver wire priority and claims) into consideration with my first couple of responses in this thread. Yes. Total reverse of all moves or compensation of some sort. Those are the only right moves here. Just saying "you are #### out of luck" to the owner making the mistake, would not be the right move.

 

[pittstownkiller]

By letting this to go down, your commissioner isn't just punishing the owner that made a stupid move, he is allowing an unfair balance in the league.

 

[Johnny Blood]

By letting this to go down, your commissioner isn't just punishing the owner that made a stupid move, he is allowing an unfair balance in the league.

So whether it was an accident is irrelevant, if doing something is justified on the basis of avoiding "an unfair balance in the league."

 

[socrates]

By letting this to go down, your commissioner isn't just punishing the owner that made a stupid move, he is allowing an unfair balance in the league.

So whether it was an accident is irrelevant, if doing something is justified on the basis of avoiding "an unfair balance in the league."

Exactly. While I am opposed to a commissioner micromanaging league transactions, in order to maintain a competitive balance and the integrity of the league it is necessary to disallow a move such as this, whether intentional or accidental. Putting aside the competitive needs of the team who waived Jackson, consider the remaining teams who have been put at an unfair competitive disadvantage here through no action of their own. The deal should be promptly reversed and whatever steps necessary taken to restore the waiver wire order. Swift and decisive action by the Commissioner would be all together proper and fitting.