Waiver Wire Ethics (1 Viewer)

[spodog]

Do the right thing. Be someone people look up to and respect. Not some schmuck no one wants anything to do with after the season's over.

+1

 

[Ray_T]

I would give him back, but I would also make a very public post that in future, if you screw up, there are no do-overs.

While you are a commish, you are not a babysitter and you dont wanna be fixing teams mistakes over and over.

 

[pittstownkiller]

By letting this to go down, your commissioner isn't just punishing the owner that made a stupid move, he is allowing an unfair balance in the league.

So whether it was an accident is irrelevant, if doing something is justified on the basis of avoiding "an unfair balance in the league."

I take it that this was a question, so I will answer it as one; my point is that an action in a league has more effect than on just the two teams involved. If the team that picked up Jackson is one of the worst in the league it would be better for the league than if it was one of the better teams; a "mistake" like this can really suck for other teams in the league.

Huh?The record (or perceived strength) of the team that made the FJax acquisition should have no bearing on this at all. On what basis can you conclude that it's better for this league if a weaker team made the acquisition?

The piece that you highlighted was in response, to a response, to a response, if that makes sense; my point being is that a move like this throws the league out of balance even more than an unfair trade, at least if he went to the weakest team(s) the damage would be mitigated. My angle on this debate has been that the teams that aren't involved with the drop are effected too. So don't read into that I am trying to say it would be okay for one team and not the other; more along the lines of better for the league one way as opposed to the other.

 

[Phil4]

You guys are taking FF wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to serious.... The guy made a mistake, like everybody, he deserve his chance. Next time, maybe not

 

[Phantom Knight]

what could someone have to gain from doing that?

I know nothing of the league, but hypothetically speaking here is one scenario.Team A has waiver priority #1Team B has waiver priority #2Team B drops Jackson.Team A claims Jackson off waivers.Team B essentially gets 1st waiver wire pick.Team B claims "foul", gets Jackson back.

 

[doeseatplace]

Is this thread still really going on?

 

[HurryUpSundays]

Give him back, imagine if you had lost Jackson.

imagine. i would have immediately sent out a league email, posted something on the message board and likely put my closed fist thru a wall. with flea flickers set up, i find it extremely hard to believe this was a mistake. even so, how did he not make a scene about it after the damage was done?i would hate to have an * by my championship, so i'd give him back but certainly expect something in return, or the commish to re-align the waiver priority. then have the commish have the Fjax owner rename his team to "I'm a Dumbarrse"

 

[DukeBroadway]

When it FJax was "accidentally" dropped the original owner should have immediately made a league post, email or whatever to let the league know. This should have happen seconds after what happened.

Most "drop" systems are a few clicks with "A are yo sure you want to drop?"

It probably truely was an accident, however since he didnt make an effort or appear to make an effort publicly his loss is your gain. Lesson learned to slow down fully read things before randomly clicking "twice" or making moves while intoxicated.

If the event that FJax is credited back to owner you should be granted with number 1 priority as well as your player dropped added back to your roster.

 

[smarchit]

Sorry to have posted and then gone into hiding on this topic. I just switched back to working overnight shift this week for the first time in 3 or 4 years, and my body has been a bit slow to pick up on the adjustment. I was able to check in on the thread and read it from my phone while on break at work, but couldn't find anyway to post from mobile. Thanks for the relatively good discussion throughout though.

Anyway, to resolve some things, it turns out that the contact by the original owner was made only via an email/PM to the league commish, rather than a public posting on the league message board, where everybody could've taken note and avoided the situation in the first place. Naturally, Murphy's Law kicked in, and the commish didn't check his email in time to stop this. The email was timestamped around the same time as the drop, so commish reversed the move, with which I have no problem. Fortunately, my other two waiver claims for this week also went through, so there was no trickle down effect.

As to the original owner's explanation: "Tried to drop him in the trade block, and ended up dropping him off my team."

I took this to mean that he was trying to place FJax on the block. As has been noted, putting somebody on the trading block and cutting them from your team are separate processes that are hard, if not impossible to mix up. After further review, Jackson was already placed on the trading block 2 months ago (just before the draft), and long ago forgotten in the sea of transactions. The owner was actually trying to remove him from the block. The transaction error is possible to make from this screen.



Still a careless move, as the X would remove a player from the block, while the CUT button would remove the player from your team and prompt the Are You Sure message, but possible nonetheless.

 

[smarchit]

[quote name='HurryUpSundays'

then have the commish have the Fjax owner rename his team to "I'm a Dumbarrse"

 

[Apple Jack]

Sorry to have posted and then gone into hiding on this topic. I just switched back to working overnight shift this week for the first time in 3 or 4 years, and my body has been a bit slow to pick up on the adjustment. I was able to check in on the thread and read it from my phone while on break at work, but couldn't find anyway to post from mobile. Thanks for the relatively good discussion throughout though.

Anyway, to resolve some things, it turns out that the contact by the original owner was made only via an email/PM to the league commish, rather than a public posting on the league message board, where everybody could've taken note and avoided the situation in the first place. Naturally, Murphy's Law kicked in, and the commish didn't check his email in time to stop this. The email was timestamped around the same time as the drop, so commish reversed the move, with which I have no problem. Fortunately, my other two waiver claims for this week also went through, so there was no trickle down effect.

As to the original owner's explanation: "Tried to drop him in the trade block, and ended up dropping him off my team."

I took this to mean that he was trying to place FJax on the block. As has been noted, putting somebody on the trading block and cutting them from your team are separate processes that are hard, if not impossible to mix up. After further review, Jackson was already placed on the trading block 2 months ago (just before the draft), and long ago forgotten in the sea of transactions. The owner was actually trying to remove him from the block. The transaction error is possible to make from this screen.



Still a careless move, as the X would remove a player from the block, while the CUT button would remove the player from your team and prompt the Are You Sure message, but possible nonetheless.

If there was somebody you wanted on the ww that was still available when your turn came up, I'm sure the league would agree that you are due that person. Shouldn't be hard at all to do.

 

[caglassc]

Someone in my league just dropped AJ Green for a kicker. I picked Green up - should I give him back?

 

[Patroclus]

Someone in my league just dropped AJ Green for a kicker. I picked Green up - should I give him back?

Absolutely. But only after you've wasted your WW. Otherwise it's not fair to the idiots.

 

[FF Newbie]

So it turns out that:

1. It was an honest mistake.

2. The owner who cut Jackson was perfectly honest in his explanation of how the mistake happened.

3. The mistake is rather easily made on fleaflicker and not impossible, as the OP claimed.

4. The owner who cut Jackson immediately emailed the commish and let him know it was a mistake.

I guess assuming that the guy deliberately cut a top-5 RB, then thought better of it and lied about it isn't the most plausible explanation after all--contrary to what several have posted in this thread and to what the OP has repeatedly contended.

 

[Underachievers]

So it turns out that:1. It was an honest mistake.2. The owner who cut Jackson was perfectly honest in his explanation of how the mistake happened.3. The mistake is rather easily made on fleaflicker and not impossible, as the OP claimed.4. The owner who cut Jackson immediately emailed the commish and let him know it was a mistake.I guess assuming that the guy deliberately cut a top-5 RB, then thought better of it and lied about it isn't the most plausible explanation after all--contrary to what several have posted in this thread and to what the OP has repeatedly contended.

1. It was a stupid mistake.2. His explanation was only to the commissioner.3. The mistake of dropping the wrong person is NOT easily made.4. The owner emailed the commish who informed nobody. With the information available, the only plausible explanation was that he was intentionally dropped. Decisions can only be made with what information is available. If he was stupid enough to "accidently" drop a top 5 RB, then he was stupid enough to drop him on purpose also.

 

[Grand Poobah]

So it turns out that:1. It was an honest mistake.2. The owner who cut Jackson was perfectly honest in his explanation of how the mistake happened.3. The mistake is rather easily made on fleaflicker and not impossible, as the OP claimed.4. The owner who cut Jackson immediately emailed the commish and let him know it was a mistake.I guess assuming that the guy deliberately cut a top-5 RB, then thought better of it and lied about it isn't the most plausible explanation after all--contrary to what several have posted in this thread and to what the OP has repeatedly contended.

Please read through this thread again. I don't think the OP has repeatedly contended anything.

 

[FF Newbie]

1. It was a stupid mistake.



It was an honest mistake and it's one that's easy to make (see below).

2. His explanation was only to the commissioner.

He immediately emailed the commissioner to let him know it was an accident. That's sufficient.

3. The mistake of dropping the wrong person is NOT easily made.



Absolutely incorrect. Look at the screenshot posted just a few posts back. If you go to the trading block, it is VERY easy to click "cut" thinking you are removing the player from the trading block rather than the red x. It's a very easy mistake to make.

4. The owner emailed the commish who informed nobody.

The commish didn't inform anyone until he saw the message a day or two later. No big deal and certainly not the fault of the owner who cut Jackson.

With the information available, the only plausible explanation was that he was intentionally dropped. Decisions can only be made with what information is available. If he was stupid enough to "accidently" drop a top 5 RB, then he was stupid enough to drop him on purpose also.

Either the guy accidentally cut the #1 ranked RB from his team deliberately and then lied about it or he did it accidentally and then notified the commish, just like he said. The latter is obviously the more plausible scenario to anyone who isn't militantly defending a ridiculous, indefensible position.

 

[FF Newbie]

So it turns out that:

1. It was an honest mistake.

2. The owner who cut Jackson was perfectly honest in his explanation of how the mistake happened.

3. The mistake is rather easily made on fleaflicker and not impossible, as the OP claimed.

4. The owner who cut Jackson immediately emailed the commish and let him know it was a mistake.

I guess assuming that the guy deliberately cut a top-5 RB, then thought better of it and lied about it isn't the most plausible explanation after all--contrary to what several have posted in this thread and to what the OP has repeatedly contended.

Please read through this thread again. I don't think the OP has repeatedly contended anything.

I read the entire thread. The OP repeatedly claimed he thought the owner who cut Jackson was lying about it being an accident because it's impossible to make that mistake on fleaflicker. In fact, it's very easy to make that mistake on fleaflicker as seen here:

Mistakes happen. The guy contacted the commish immediately. The move should be reversed. I can't believe the people on here who immediately assume other people are liars and concoct ridiculous non-existent scenarios to somehow justify their cutthroat greed. Fantasy football is meant to be fun. I don't understand how it could possibly be any fun when played with that kind of attitude.

 

[RUSF18]

Geez, talk about terrible site design. What purpose is there to have a "cut player" button on the trading block screen?

 

[ldizzle]

He already stated the commish was contacted right away. What else is there to go over? Thread/

 

[CalBear]

With the information available, the only plausible explanation was that he was intentionally dropped.

Wrong. Most people in this thread have suggested another plausible explanation, which is that he was accidentally dropped. Not only is that explanation plausible, it's actually true.

 

[Ballstein]

Some of the responses on keeping the player really surprise me. Wow....no wonder this country is going down the crapper

 

[Sea Duck]

Some of the responses on keeping the player really surprise me.

Not everyone has a desire to have friends.

 

[Ballstein]

Some of the responses on keeping the player really surprise me.

Not everyone has a desire to have friends.

se what i mean people.....EXHIBIT A