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Waiver Wire: Just can't pull the trigger! (1 Viewer)

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Klimtology

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Anyone else experience this?

I knew the following players had/have value, but I just sat there and watched them get snatched up one by one by other teams.

D Patten

J. Fargas

Eagles D

R. Meachem

I usually do a solid job in terms of drafting, but that's just part of putting together a championship FF Team.

Waivers are HUGE and I always seem to miss out or screw it up somehow.

It suxors.

:shrug:

 
Depends on your current roster. You drafted current roster presumably with rationale for each player. They've each only played one game. so there shouldn't be much to change your mind. Nobody you listed as available is a "slam dunk". I rarely make waiver moves in the first couple of weeks exc. for slam dunks or injuries. And, often, the slam dunks are people who got dumped by someone picking up a one week wonder.

 
Klimtology said:
Anyone else experience this?I knew the following players had/have value, but I just sat there and watched them get snatched up one by one by other teams.D PattenJ. FargasEagles DR. MeachemI usually do a solid job in terms of drafting, but that's just part of putting together a championship FF Team.Waivers are HUGE and I always seem to miss out or screw it up somehow.It suxors. :thumbup:
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1. Working the waiver is a key part of developing a winnning team. At least you recognize this is a weakness. Now you just have to work on getting better.2. You have to not fall in love with the people you drafted. This will help you get better at improving your roster through waiver wire acquisitions.3. You have to learn when to give up on the players you drafted. You need to differentiate between a bad draft pick and a bad week 1. This will help you avoid giving up on a player too early and hurting your team through waiver wire acquisitions. You also can identify and target players that your league mates give up on too early.
 
I will admit I'm guilty for watching Royal blow and do nothing because I have Marshall and didn't want to start both/or drop Sid. Rice. I did nab Cassel, just hoping I can trade him for some value to make myself feel better.

ETA that I usually am pretty active on the wire early in the season (well, the whole season). That was before we went to a true WW system to stop guys like me that are on the internet a lot from scooping up all the talent. Although it hurts me, I agree that it levels the playing field. I think by going to this type of system it stops the rich from getting richer. WW moves are a key component, no doubt, but key trades are also a way in which to improve your team as well.

 
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I also experience this each year. There are a few guys on the WW whom I want to pick up but the guys I drafted seem to have too much potential as of now. While they didn't do much week 1, there's still a chance they could come alive.

 
I think there is a fine line between panic and common sense. Panic is dropping a proven player for a one-week wonder (some are trading OchoCinco or Holt for Royal or Jackson). I like the upside of Royal / Jackson, but the odds are against them. And the STL and CIN offense will wake up sooner or later.

Common sense is dropping a risky player that you drafted (i.e. Ahman Green) and replacing with a good prospect.

 
Waiver management is one of the most important factors to a successful season. I enjoy it, and more times than not pick up a gem or two over the course of the year.

 
beavers said:
I think there is a fine line between panic and common sense. Panic is dropping a proven player for a one-week wonder (some are trading OchoCinco or Holt for Royal or Jackson). I like the upside of Royal / Jackson, but the odds are against them. And the STL and CIN offense will wake up sooner or later.Common sense is dropping a risky player that you drafted (i.e. Ahman Green) and replacing with a good prospect.
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Agreed, I just see a lot more panic than I do common sense. For every Marques Colston and Earnest Graham there are dozens of Frisman Jackson's, Deshawn Wynn's, Rex Grossman's, etc. More often than not I see owners regretting cutting someone too early than the opposite.
 
Happens to me every year as well. It is the downfall of quality and value drafting. You draft your guys because you believe in them and dropping them after one week seems foolish. It does make you think about overall risk/reward of each player.

 
I dropped my 5.11 (Selvin) and 7.11 (Ricky) picks this week for Hall and Slaton in a league with a 4 RB maximum. In hindsight I'm pretty sure I blew those picks on draftnight, no use compounding the error by sitting on them.

 
The first few weeks are the most critical IMO to pick up guys before the rest of the league catches on. I like the word thats been used on here called "Trimming the fat of your roster"

That being said, you just don't pull the trigger just to feel like you've accomplished something. You need to have legitimate reasons as to how x player or x Defense will improve your team for the stretch run.

Little gains on the waiver wire amount to big rewards in the future for your roster by creating depth to your roster

 
seems like most of the best waivers are at the beginning of the season. i used to miss out on them cause i fell in love with the guys on my roster.

now i always have a couple slots on my roster i designate for long shots. if i think the guy on waivers has a better chance of panning out based on the most current info, even if it's only one week's worth, i pull the trigger. this is how i ended up with guys like Colston and Grant the last few years.

of course, it does depend on roster size, i think it's much more difficult to drop someone in leagues with smaller rosters.

 
Dumped....

S Rice for Chris Henry - perhaps early given his 4 game suspension, but I'll take Henry in Weeks 5 and beyond over Rice.

Keeping...for now

L Jordan - weird feeling that Belichick picked up Jordan just to give him 20 carries per game against Jets, Bills, etc.

T Edwards - weird feeling that something good may be brewing in Buffalo

Nothing to great on the wire, bunch of good TEs, but I've already got Gonzo so....

 
PatytonsGhost said:
The first few weeks are the most critical IMO to pick up guys before the rest of the league catches on. I like the word thats been used on here called "Trimming the fat of your roster"
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Coudn't agree more. Picking up key guys in the first couple weeks including Earnest Graham won me a title last year. Everybody has great beginning of the draft picks. Its those mid to late rounds and your waiver wire that wins you championships.
 
Klimtology said:
Anyone else experience this?I knew the following players had/have value, but I just sat there and watched them get snatched up one by one by other teams.D PattenJ. FargasEagles DR. MeachemI usually do a solid job in terms of drafting, but that's just part of putting together a championship FF Team.Waivers are HUGE and I always seem to miss out or screw it up somehow.It suxors. :popcorn:
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Dude. It can all, like, roxors too.eg I cut B Edwards after a lousy week 1 and seeing what a pathetic QB Frye was (and a pathetic hopeless O they had). Next week in comes Anderson and the rest you know. I can't even remember the schlep I picked up but he didn't exactly blaze a path to glory. Sometimes patience is very much a virtue in FF.
 
Klimtology said:
Anyone else experience this?

I knew the following players had/have value, but I just sat there and watched them get snatched up one by one by other teams.

D Patten

J. Fargas

Eagles D

R. Meachem

I usually do a solid job in terms of drafting, but that's just part of putting together a championship FF Team.

Waivers are HUGE and I always seem to miss out or screw it up somehow.

It suxors.

:popcorn:
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Could be worse...I drafted Eddie Royal. Sunday night, before Royal even played, I dropped him to pick up Pierre Thomas.

Oops.

 
I think alot of people work hard to get a good draft, and the first week (or three...) will help settle alot of confusion about starters and an offense's potential.

The conundrum? When do you bag on those guys you drafted? Sometimes it's feel, sometimes it's luck, sometimes it's understanding the situation (ie, Royal may or may not have as many looks next week when Marshall is back...Belichick is easing Jordan in).

I saw guys jettison good players last year who had a bad week...and I picked up THOSE guys. There's higher probability that those guys will return to prominence than some guy rolls off the practice squad and becomes LT3.

But, as far as injuries, they happen all season, so save those Waiver priorities for the big fish.

The season is not made or lost in one week. But don't sleep on a guy, and feel free to drop your #4WR for a new RB starter or a QB that has some good games all of a sudden.

As Axl says...just a little patience...

 
It took me until the last 3-4 years just to view players like a business. I used to hate to cut or trade guys I drafted. Now I would trade anyone on my roster for the right deal, and I would cut a underperforming player without a problem.

It is funny how much better I am doing in all of my leagues ever sice I adopted a new style. We have guys in some of my leagues that would never part with a player they drafted in the top 5 rounds.

 
you need to know who on the waiver wire is a real difference maker, and who's just a one week wonder. one of my favorite things about waivers after the first week is that a lot of owners will dump underperforming but proven guys for one week wonders, when the guy they dropped is actually more valuable. that's when you can swoop in for some nice waiver wire value on the guys that were dropped.

 
Da Guru said:
It took me until the last 3-4 years just to view players like a business. I used to hate to cut or trade guys I drafted. Now I would trade anyone on my roster for the right deal, and I would cut a underperforming player without a problem.

It is funny how much better I am doing in all of my leagues ever sice I adopted a new style. We have guys in some of my leagues that would never part with a player they drafted in the top 5 rounds.
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:goodposting: i did that in my approach to my drafts this year, and viewed the players more as WR, RB instead of this guy or that guy. helped my plan out my strategy, and i feel much better about my draft this year than in years past when i "had" to get a certain guy or guys.

 
Dropped Chris Henry for Sammy Morris

Dropped Deion Branch for Brian Griese

I like the value of Morris, and despite the talk of Jordan here, think Morris could get even more touches and is a nice flex option in a PPR. I may target Henry in another week or two.

May have jumped the gun on Branch - he got snapped up - but there are very few starting QBs left, and given how they seem to be dropping like flies, figure there could be good value. (Griese has solid QB2 potential, and will put up nice numbers at home vs. Atlanta). I'm not sold that Branch would be any more than a WR3.

I try to be aggressive, leaning toward RB/QB, and weigh WR pickups carefully. For every Royal (who will still get his despite Marshall's return), there's a Greg Lewis (who could just as easily put up a 2-24 this week).

Also try to anticipate potential value a couple of weeks down the line, esp. for trade purposes. I may not think Torain will take the job and run with it, but I can pick him up and convince the S. Young owner that he'll get the bulk of carries, I'll do it.

 
It depends on your roster and your perceived weakness also. If you drafted well and things worked out in week one you may not see a need to go to the waiver wire after the first week. My backups are handcuffs and in some cases sleepers that got overlooked by others in my league.

 
Penguin said:
Jambi said:
WE START 2 KICKERS!!
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What the heck does this have to do with anything? The more kickers you start, the tougher the league?
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Being able to evaluate kickers from year to year is one of the marks of a true football analyst. The addition of an extra kicker lessens luck. If you played in my league you'd most likely be cashing your season in by week 6.
 
Jambi said:
Penguin said:
Jambi said:
WE START 2 KICKERS!!
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What the heck does this have to do with anything? The more kickers you start, the tougher the league?
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Being able to evaluate kickers from year to year is one of the marks of a true football analyst. The addition of an extra kicker lessens luck. If you played in my league you'd most likely be cashing your season in by week 6.
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LOL. So if you can't analyze the dynamics of the kicking game then you're no good? Stop patting yourself on the back, believe it or not this thread isn't about you. Take it somewhere else.
 
Case in point.

I draft I Bruce in the 12th round and he gets zero targets the first week.

I drop him to pic up Matt Jones and he goes off in week 2 for 153 yards!

I always screw it up somehow!

:hot: :hifive: :mellow:

 
Case in point.

I draft I Bruce in the 12th round and he gets zero targets the first week.

I drop him to pic up Matt Jones and he goes off in week 2 for 153 yards!

I always screw it up somehow!

:hot: :hifive: :mellow:

 
With the guys I took using late picks, I knew it would take some time to assess what I really had (or didn't have). I haven't seen enough yet to know either way.

Sometimes you miss out by not acting quickly. Other times you avoid chasing last week's points.

 
There's a well-known psychological phenomenon called the Endowment Effect.

Basically, once you own something, you place more value on it. This is the case even if you had a reasonable valuation of the thing right up until you obtained it. Similarly, anyone who fails in their attempt to own something will lower the value and convince themselves they didn't really want it anyways.

You see this all the time in fantasy football. You draft a player, and the guy next to you throws his magazine against the wall and shouts "Damn, he was my next pick, I wanted him so bad!" The next you send him a trade offer and he replies with "no thanks, not really interested in him".

The best advice is to be aware that this isn't rationale behaviour, and consciously work to avoid falling into the trap.

</geek talk>

 
Jambi said:
Penguin said:
Jambi said:
WE START 2 KICKERS!!
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What the heck does this have to do with anything? The more kickers you start, the tougher the league?
Click to expand...
Being able to evaluate kickers from year to year is one of the marks of a true football analyst. The addition of an extra kicker lessens luck. If you played in my league you'd most likely be cashing your season in by week 6.
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In a serious league....Blind bid waivers is the ONLY way to go....
 
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