Waiver WIre Running Back fliers (1 Viewer)

[CanaBuc]

Ok lets play a name game:

I would rather roster Ryan Grant over the following fliers yes or no:

William Powell- see huge thread. Has potential, bad O-line and for now is backup to R. Williams

Hillman- good talent 3rd round pick. Behind an aging injury prone McGahee but there is still Ball/Moreno

Draughn- #3 guy on run heavy offense in KC and has talent. #2 guy banged up and he looks to spell JC so JC stays fresh. Probably good for 8-15 touches/game

Gerhart- fumbilitis aside, productive last year when AP out. HC to a guy who came off major surgery 9 months ago

BLount- #2 in run heavy offence. 1000 yard rusher in 13 games 2010. Behind a rookie who is only get 3.4 ypc and coaches said they need to run him more.

Miller- has done will running as a backup in 2/3 games. #3 on depth chart but more talented than D. Thomas

Joique Bell- 2 decent fantasy games so far. Been annointed "the closer" by coach for foreseeable future and has looked good as a pass catching back but has K. Smith and soon Best waiting in the wings.

Vick Ballard- most talented RB in Indy. Behind competent Brown. At some point if still losing team may want to see what they have in him.

For now these are the only guys I see out there that might not be on rosters that might be fantasy relevant going forward.

 

[JHuber77]

I wouldn't roster Ryan Grant before any of those guys, redraft or dynasty.

 

[boonesfarm4me]

I like Draughn

 

[CanaBuc]

Well Grant is interesting given situation.

Royster is #1 backup but has a bum knee and might not be useful for a few weeks.

Grant is good at protecting the QB and RG3 is getting killed.

The O-line and blocking scheme on Redskins makes any guy in the backfield startable whereas in GB, they line is poor and the RB is usually not a primary option.

Grant can see some 3rd down work and is a good game or an injury away from stealing a job too.

 

[CanaBuc]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.

Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

 

[ponchsox]

No Bilal Powell? Are you assuming he's owned?

 

[CanaBuc]

From what I have seen and read I think he was picked up in most leagues after last weekend:

maybe not so much in public leagues but in private and money leagues. The kind where people visit the shark pool for info

 

[Bill S]

Powell should already be owned in any money league.

I woudnt roster grant over any of those guys listed.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

I went with Blount this week as a potential preemptive pickup based on the same reasons you have mentioned.

 

[Bayhawks]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

 

[EBF]

Draughn looked good last week, but I don't see how he's going to get the touches unless Charles goes down.

Daryl Richardson would be my pick if he's on your waivers. Jackson is old with a ton of mileage. It's early in the season and he is already dealing with injury issues. Richardson has looked explosive at every opportunity. Lots of upside here.

And if by some miracle Mendenhall is still available in your league, I would grab him.

 

[monk]

I like them in this order

Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.

Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone.

W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.

Blount - but it will take an injury

Gerhart - same thing

The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

 

[the spanker]

I like them in this order Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone. W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.Blount - but it will take an injury Gerhart - same thing The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I disagree. Richardson certainly could make a move if Sjax remains ineffective.

 

[tonyftony716]

I like them in this order Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone. W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.Blount - but it will take an injury Gerhart - same thing The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I think Grant might be worthy of a roster spot in deeper leagues but in what reality has Helu and Royster looked better than Morris? Morris is not spectacular by any means but he runs hard, doesn't turn over the ball and gets tough yards when needed. Until he stops doing those things he will not be replaced.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

Well Grant is interesting given situation.Royster is #1 backup but has a bum knee and might not be useful for a few weeks.Grant is good at protecting the QB and RG3 is getting killed.The O-line and blocking scheme on Redskins makes any guy in the backfield startable whereas in GB, they line is poor and the RB is usually not a primary option.Grant can see some 3rd down work and is a good game or an injury away from stealing a job too.

Please site the last time u even saw ryan grant in pass protection? He has been behind kuhn/starks/bjax for pass protection for years and was horrendous at it his breakout season.......hence acqiring these other players

 

[SameSongNDance]

Royster is probable for this week anyway. I'm actually amazed that Grant has seen a +6% increase in ownership while Royster's has decreased by 3%. Assuming Royster's knee ailment isn't serious, he's now secured the back-up job. The only thing that has changed in that backfield is Helu has been replacement by Grant. IMO, Royster has zero competition now. He was already the superior pass blocker coming into the season.

 

[jon_mx]

Joique Bell has the best shot, IMHO. K. Smith is not liked by the coaches. The chances of Best coming back and staying healthy for more than a couple of games are slim. And LeShoure is already banged up and has not shown the ability to stay healthy. Bell starting, would easily be a top 20 fantasy RB.

 

[chinawildman]

Well Grant is interesting given situation.Royster is #1 backup but has a bum knee and might not be useful for a few weeks.Grant is good at protecting the QB and RG3 is getting killed.The O-line and blocking scheme on Redskins makes any guy in the backfield startable whereas in GB, they line is poor and the RB is usually not a primary option.Grant can see some 3rd down work and is a good game or an injury away from stealing a job too.

The ONLY reason the skins signed Grant was because Helu went on IR. Why should he have any more value than a hypothetically healthy Helu?

 

[Shawn]

grant is a wasted roster spot

 

[CanaBuc]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Actually, Morris has seen his snap count decrease since week 1 (71%, 52%, 49%) due WAS needing to pass a bunch I'm assuming. Royster's has increased accordingly (4%, 25%, 25%). Helu's play time was more sporadic (25%, 10%, 25%). Assuming Grant is washed up (he is), what if Royster took over Helu's spot? What if he saw the field 30-40% of the time?

 

[CanaBuc]

Draughn looked good last week, but I don't see how he's going to get the touches unless Charles goes down. Daryl Richardson would be my pick if he's on your waivers. Jackson is old with a ton of mileage. It's early in the season and he is already dealing with injury issues. Richardson has looked explosive at every opportunity. Lots of upside here. And if by some miracle Mendenhall is still available in your league, I would grab him.

Draugn won't get the touches but wil get the ones he was already getting plus the bulk of Hillis' until the ankle is better. Should amount based on YTD number 10-15 touches plus some gola line work.

 

[Lavachebeadsman]

Like Joique Bell and Hillman the most out of all of those guys.

 

[rickyg]

I picked up Blount early this am based on schiano's comments about getting him more involved and how he is not happy with the run game.

I think lount could push his way into a 12-15 carry per week time share with Martin if he shows well tomorrow

 

[Bayhawks]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Oh, OK. Well, then, using that logic, I expect Wes Welker to get 100+ catches this year (history is my source). I also expect Michael Turner to get 300+ carries this year (history is my source). What? Those things aren't likely to happen because there are different offensive coordinators on those teams?Well I guess it's a good thing there isn't a new offensive coordinator in KC, or your history argument would look foolish.What? You're telling me there was an OC change in KC? So basically the argument that "they" (KC coaches) want to limit Charles' touches (based on historical usage) makes NO sense, since "they" (KC coaches) aren't the same coaches that historically limited his touches? Interesting.

 

[jchapman70]

grant is a wasted roster spot

Wasted for both the Redskins and anyone playing FF?

 

[jchapman70]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Well Charles has a different coach this year who is committed to the run. His attempts were down in game number 2 because of the blowout and a knee tweak. I think we are seriously looking at 20 touches a game from here on out. Mostly because I believe Charles is back to where he was in 2010 and he has a coach who is building his team around him...unlike Todd Haley back in 2010.

 

[chinawildman]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Oh, OK. Well, then, using that logic, I expect Wes Welker to get 100+ catches this year (history is my source). I also expect Michael Turner to get 300+ carries this year (history is my source). What? Those things aren't likely to happen because there are different offensive coordinators on those teams?Well I guess it's a good thing there isn't a new offensive coordinator in KC, or your history argument would look foolish.What? You're telling me there was an OC change in KC? So basically the argument that "they" (KC coaches) want to limit Charles' touches (based on historical usage) makes NO sense, since "they" (KC coaches) aren't the same coaches that historically limited his touches? Interesting.

I do somewhat agree with this. Daboll was the OC in Miami when towards the end of the season Bush was getting feature back PT when most said he would never succeed in that role. So he does have a track record of putting his "smallish" backs to work.

 

[glumpy]

Joique Bell has the best shot, IMHO. K. Smith is not liked by the coaches. The chances of Best coming back and staying healthy for more than a couple of games are slim. And LeShoure is already banged up and has not shown the ability to stay healthy. Bell starting, would easily be a top 20 fantasy RB.

I'll never understand this, being a Smith fan from way back. Hope you're wrong on LeShoure though--dropped Smith for a flyer on Grant, and when LeShoure was dropped jumped on that trade.

 

[Captain Hook]

grant is a wasted roster spot

Not for Alfred Morris owners who fear Shanahan

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Just picked up the AZ Powell yesterday

Acquired Hillman for Sanchez in a dynasty league last week

Picked up Draughn 2 weeks ago

Got Blount for Santana Moss

Picked up LMiller after week 1

These 5 fill the last 5 spots on my bench. I think Hillman has best shot followed by Miller after that just a prayer!

14 Team 20 Man Rosters .... lots of flyers hoping 1 hits jackpot or has a good week for trade bait

 

[pittstownkiller]

Would you roster any of these guys over J. Stewart; does Stewart need the same opportunity but is the better back?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Would you roster any of these guys over J. Stewart; does Stewart need the same opportunity but is the better back?

CAR's offense is night and day without JStew. Dwill's age is showing IMO. I'm betting CAR knows this just as well as I do and cannot wait to get him back on the field this week. He is easily one of the top 10 (maybe top 5, it's arguable) talented RBs in the league. The same cannot be said for anyone mentioned in this thread. You hold him because he'll always make for at least a decent flex, and a RB1 in the event Williams goes down.

 

[CanaBuc]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Oh, OK. Well, then, using that logic, I expect Wes Welker to get 100+ catches this year (history is my source). I also expect Michael Turner to get 300+ carries this year (history is my source). What? Those things aren't likely to happen because there are different offensive coordinators on those teams?Well I guess it's a good thing there isn't a new offensive coordinator in KC, or your history argument would look foolish.What? You're telling me there was an OC change in KC? So basically the argument that "they" (KC coaches) want to limit Charles' touches (based on historical usage) makes NO sense, since "they" (KC coaches) aren't the same coaches that historically limited his touches? Interesting.

Wow!Based on that answer you clearly must be a JC owner in fantasy!I am also basing things on common sense.Daboll brought in Peyton Hillis. You don't bring in a player you previously coached when he had a great year in 2010 to sit on the bench. He brought Hillis in to get touches. The coaching staff early preseason said they want to run the ball alot and that if they had their way as a pair they would see 500 touches.Charles is built more like a receiver. He is in the hold of Reggie Bush, CJ Spiller. These are not te type of guys who are going to rush it 300 times per year. Assuming 40 catches, That means at 20 carries per game he would be seeing 23 touches/game 360+ touches. I will gladly bet you that is not happening. He will top out barring injury at a max of 250-260. Which is about 16 carries a game. Add 2-3 receptions and he is in the 15-20 touches I mentioned.He is not a 20 carry back. Not if you want him to last a season.

 

[CanaBuc]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Well Charles has a different coach this year who is committed to the run. His attempts were down in game number 2 because of the blowout and a knee tweak. I think we are seriously looking at 20 touches a game from here on out. Mostly because I believe Charles is back to where he was in 2010 and he has a coach who is building his team around him...unlike Todd Haley back in 2010.

Ok so game 1 they were blown out also how many touches?Are you suggesting he will only get a lot of touches in close game? Makes a lot of sense to me.The reverse argument was that the number 1b back, HIllis was hurt and it was a close game and they were not ready to give a player ( Draughn) new to their offense 20 carries.I also think it was to send a message that Charles was fully recovered.He won't be seeing that kind of usage again this year.I'll bet on it,

 

[CanaBuc]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Oh, OK. Well, then, using that logic, I expect Wes Welker to get 100+ catches this year (history is my source). I also expect Michael Turner to get 300+ carries this year (history is my source). What? Those things aren't likely to happen because there are different offensive coordinators on those teams?Well I guess it's a good thing there isn't a new offensive coordinator in KC, or your history argument would look foolish.What? You're telling me there was an OC change in KC? So basically the argument that "they" (KC coaches) want to limit Charles' touches (based on historical usage) makes NO sense, since "they" (KC coaches) aren't the same coaches that historically limited his touches? Interesting.

I do somewhat agree with this. Daboll was the OC in Miami when towards the end of the season Bush was getting feature back PT when most said he would never succeed in that role. So he does have a track record of putting his "smallish" backs to work.

Perhaps but despite that he had a total of 216 carries in 15 games. That is less than 15/ game average.My point is I see JC getting 15 carries another 2-4 receptions a game.My real point was about Draughn picking up Hillis workload while he is out. Based on that I see Draughn getting 8-12 carries and 3 receptions a game. SO about 40%. That to me makes him the most viable for at least this week of those guys on my list. Additionally if JC goes down (knee 1 yr post surgery is still not 100% in most cases) he moves into that role.

 

[monk]

I like them in this order Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone. W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.Blount - but it will take an injury Gerhart - same thing The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I disagree. Richardson certainly could make a move if Sjax remains ineffective.

Not a chance in the world

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I like them in this order Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone. W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.Blount - but it will take an injury Gerhart - same thing The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I disagree. Richardson certainly could make a move if Sjax remains ineffective.

Not a chance in the world

Great post. This kind of stuff is helpful to the discussion. How about some reasoning?

 

[chinawildman]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Oh, OK. Well, then, using that logic, I expect Wes Welker to get 100+ catches this year (history is my source). I also expect Michael Turner to get 300+ carries this year (history is my source). What? Those things aren't likely to happen because there are different offensive coordinators on those teams?Well I guess it's a good thing there isn't a new offensive coordinator in KC, or your history argument would look foolish.What? You're telling me there was an OC change in KC? So basically the argument that "they" (KC coaches) want to limit Charles' touches (based on historical usage) makes NO sense, since "they" (KC coaches) aren't the same coaches that historically limited his touches? Interesting.

Wow!Based on that answer you clearly must be a JC owner in fantasy!I am also basing things on common sense.Daboll brought in Peyton Hillis. You don't bring in a player you previously coached when he had a great year in 2010 to sit on the bench. He brought Hillis in to get touches. The coaching staff early preseason said they want to run the ball alot and that if they had their way as a pair they would see 500 touches.Charles is built more like a receiver. He is in the hold of Reggie Bush, CJ Spiller. These are not te type of guys who are going to rush it 300 times per year. Assuming 40 catches, That means at 20 carries per game he would be seeing 23 touches/game 360+ touches. I will gladly bet you that is not happening. He will top out barring injury at a max of 250-260. Which is about 16 carries a game. Add 2-3 receptions and he is in the 15-20 touches I mentioned.He is not a 20 carry back. Not if you want him to last a season.

I doubt Charles will get 300 carries and the other backs will get their touches, but your estimate with Charles is way too conservative. He got 275 touches in 2010 playing as technically the backup RB. What reason do you have to believe that he "tops out" at 250-260 as a starter? So far he's avg'd over 20 touches a game, and that's with missing 3 quarters of football. And you think it will go down from here?

 

[N Zone]

I like Jahvid Best and Kevin Smith.

 

[monk]

I like them in this order

Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.

Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone.

W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.

Blount - but it will take an injury

Gerhart - same thing

The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I think Grant might be worthy of a roster spot in deeper leagues but in what reality has Helu and Royster looked better than Morris? Morris is not spectacular by any means but he runs hard, doesn't turn over the ball and gets tough yards when needed. Until he stops doing those things he will not be replaced.

Helu 1st 3 starts1 - 162 total yds 4.7 per (7 rec)

2 - 142 total yds 4.3 per (4 rec)

3 - 132 total yds 4.7 per (2 Rec)

Royster 1st 2 starts

1 - 142 total yds 6.9 per (2 rec)

2 - 157 total yds 5.6 per (4 rec)

Morris 1st 3 starts

1 - 96 total yds 3.6 per (0 rec)

2 - 89 total yds 5.6 per (0 rec)

3 - 78 total yds 4.6 per (0 rec)

That my friend is reality!

 

[pittstownkiller]

Would you roster any of these guys over J. Stewart; does Stewart need the same opportunity but is the better back?

CAR's offense is night and day without JStew. Dwill's age is showing IMO. I'm betting CAR knows this just as well as I do and cannot wait to get him back on the field this week. He is easily one of the top 10 (maybe top 5, it's arguable) talented RBs in the league. The same cannot be said for anyone mentioned in this thread. You hold him because he'll always make for at least a decent flex, and a RB1 in the event Williams goes down.

Duly noted. Thanks for the no nonsense approach, as I can be thick-headed.

 

[monk]

I like them in this order Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone. W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.Blount - but it will take an injury Gerhart - same thing The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I disagree. Richardson certainly could make a move if Sjax remains ineffective.

Not a chance in the world

Great post. This kind of stuff is helpful to the discussion. How about some reasoning?

I thought it was self explanatory ... Steven Jackson has 7 consecutive 1000 yd seasons, awesome receiver, beast of a RB, if he had been on even a decent team he may be considered one of the greatest backs ever and he is durable (missed 2 game in last 3 seasons).

 

[Bayhawks]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Oh, OK. Well, then, using that logic, I expect Wes Welker to get 100+ catches this year (history is my source). I also expect Michael Turner to get 300+ carries this year (history is my source). What? Those things aren't likely to happen because there are different offensive coordinators on those teams?Well I guess it's a good thing there isn't a new offensive coordinator in KC, or your history argument would look foolish.What? You're telling me there was an OC change in KC? So basically the argument that "they" (KC coaches) want to limit Charles' touches (based on historical usage) makes NO sense, since "they" (KC coaches) aren't the same coaches that historically limited his touches? Interesting.

Wow!Based on that answer you clearly must be a JC owner in fantasy!I am also basing things on common sense.Daboll brought in Peyton Hillis. You don't bring in a player you previously coached when he had a great year in 2010 to sit on the bench. He brought Hillis in to get touches. The coaching staff early preseason said they want to run the ball alot and that if they had their way as a pair they would see 500 touches.Charles is built more like a receiver. He is in the hold of Reggie Bush, CJ Spiller. These are not te type of guys who are going to rush it 300 times per year. Assuming 40 catches, That means at 20 carries per game he would be seeing 23 touches/game 360+ touches. I will gladly bet you that is not happening. He will top out barring injury at a max of 250-260. Which is about 16 carries a game. Add 2-3 receptions and he is in the 15-20 touches I mentioned.He is not a 20 carry back. Not if you want him to last a season.

No, don't own JC.And these argument for why you believe Charles will be under 20 touches a game actually makes some sense. I don't agree with them, and I'll discuss them below, but at least you acknowledge that these are your opinions. Your previous post was complete speculation on your part, which you attempted to pass off as fact, which is why I pointed it out to be totally false nonsense. Yes, Hillis was brought in this offseason by the KC staff (including Daboll), but it is common sense to have a good back-up when your best RB is coming off of an ACL tear. Charles appears to be at (or pretty close) to 100%, so common sense tells us that if STUD RB1 seems okay, RB2's workload will be smaller. Plus, Hillis has not looked good so far this year. Plus, Hillis is currently hurt, and has only had 1 season where he played all 16 games, and has only had 1 season where he has had over 175 carries. Common sense suggests that if a guy has 1 good season where he stays healthy, but every other season is marked by injuries and average to below average performance, the 1 good season was a fluke.As for the argument that Charles is not built like a 20 carry back; Charles is also in the "hold" of Chris Johnson, who had 2 seasons with 300+ carries, and of Tiki Barber, who had 300+ carries in 4 of his last 5 seasons. Common sense suggests that these RBs handled the load just fine.RBs around 6 feet & 200 lbs are perfectly capable of getting 20+ touches/game. Just because your common sense says they aren't doesn't make it true.

 

[CanaBuc]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Oh, OK. Well, then, using that logic, I expect Wes Welker to get 100+ catches this year (history is my source). I also expect Michael Turner to get 300+ carries this year (history is my source). What? Those things aren't likely to happen because there are different offensive coordinators on those teams?Well I guess it's a good thing there isn't a new offensive coordinator in KC, or your history argument would look foolish.What? You're telling me there was an OC change in KC? So basically the argument that "they" (KC coaches) want to limit Charles' touches (based on historical usage) makes NO sense, since "they" (KC coaches) aren't the same coaches that historically limited his touches? Interesting.

Wow!Based on that answer you clearly must be a JC owner in fantasy!I am also basing things on common sense.Daboll brought in Peyton Hillis. You don't bring in a player you previously coached when he had a great year in 2010 to sit on the bench. He brought Hillis in to get touches. The coaching staff early preseason said they want to run the ball alot and that if they had their way as a pair they would see 500 touches.Charles is built more like a receiver. He is in the hold of Reggie Bush, CJ Spiller. These are not te type of guys who are going to rush it 300 times per year. Assuming 40 catches, That means at 20 carries per game he would be seeing 23 touches/game 360+ touches. I will gladly bet you that is not happening. He will top out barring injury at a max of 250-260. Which is about 16 carries a game. Add 2-3 receptions and he is in the 15-20 touches I mentioned.He is not a 20 carry back. Not if you want him to last a season.

No, don't own JC.And these argument for why you believe Charles will be under 20 touches a game actually makes some sense. I don't agree with them, and I'll discuss them below, but at least you acknowledge that these are your opinions. Your previous post was complete speculation on your part, which you attempted to pass off as fact, which is why I pointed it out to be totally false nonsense. Yes, Hillis was brought in this offseason by the KC staff (including Daboll), but it is common sense to have a good back-up when your best RB is coming off of an ACL tear. Charles appears to be at (or pretty close) to 100%, so common sense tells us that if STUD RB1 seems okay, RB2's workload will be smaller. Plus, Hillis has not looked good so far this year. Plus, Hillis is currently hurt, and has only had 1 season where he played all 16 games, and has only had 1 season where he has had over 175 carries. Common sense suggests that if a guy has 1 good season where he stays healthy, but every other season is marked by injuries and average to below average performance, the 1 good season was a fluke.As for the argument that Charles is not built like a 20 carry back; Charles is also in the "hold" of Chris Johnson, who had 2 seasons with 300+ carries, and of Tiki Barber, who had 300+ carries in 4 of his last 5 seasons. Common sense suggests that these RBs handled the load just fine.RBs around 6 feet & 200 lbs are perfectly capable of getting 20+ touches/game. Just because your common sense says they aren't doesn't make it true.

I guess we agree to disagree and time will tell.I would disagree that Charles was a backup in 2010. I think he was managed. Coaching staff saw a great talent and were afraid to overwork it and break it down. He is a sports car to HIllis' SUV. Daboll brought Hillis in specifically because he was a known entity and felt he would be the 2012 thomas Jones or Lendale white to Chris Johnson of a few years ago. Injury in game 3 has set that back. Game 2 Hillis acutally had done well and would have actually had a reallyl good fantasy day if it wasn't for a goalline fumble. Amazing how we forgive Ryan Williams' or Matthews' fumbles but if Hillis does it he is bad.Yes smaller backs can do it but at the expense of a short career. CJ suK is a good example right now. See how Sproles is used how Spiller is and was used even when FJax went down. None of these guys were routinely getting 20+ carries a game.

 

[CanaBuc]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Oh, OK. Well, then, using that logic, I expect Wes Welker to get 100+ catches this year (history is my source). I also expect Michael Turner to get 300+ carries this year (history is my source). What? Those things aren't likely to happen because there are different offensive coordinators on those teams?Well I guess it's a good thing there isn't a new offensive coordinator in KC, or your history argument would look foolish.What? You're telling me there was an OC change in KC? So basically the argument that "they" (KC coaches) want to limit Charles' touches (based on historical usage) makes NO sense, since "they" (KC coaches) aren't the same coaches that historically limited his touches? Interesting.

Wow!Based on that answer you clearly must be a JC owner in fantasy!I am also basing things on common sense.Daboll brought in Peyton Hillis. You don't bring in a player you previously coached when he had a great year in 2010 to sit on the bench. He brought Hillis in to get touches. The coaching staff early preseason said they want to run the ball alot and that if they had their way as a pair they would see 500 touches.Charles is built more like a receiver. He is in the hold of Reggie Bush, CJ Spiller. These are not te type of guys who are going to rush it 300 times per year. Assuming 40 catches, That means at 20 carries per game he would be seeing 23 touches/game 360+ touches. I will gladly bet you that is not happening. He will top out barring injury at a max of 250-260. Which is about 16 carries a game. Add 2-3 receptions and he is in the 15-20 touches I mentioned.He is not a 20 carry back. Not if you want him to last a season.

I doubt Charles will get 300 carries and the other backs will get their touches, but your estimate with Charles is way too conservative. He got 275 touches in 2010 playing as technically the backup RB. What reason do you have to believe that he "tops out" at 250-260 as a starter? So far he's avg'd over 20 touches a game, and that's with missing 3 quarters of football. And you think it will go down from here?

See my other post. JC was not a backup he was managed. and He had 275 touches of which many were passes which are much less impactful on wrearing down an RB as it is often a CB or safety tackling compared to a 300+ lineman.

 

[Casting Couch]

Vick Ballard- most talented RB in Indy. Behind competent Brown. At some point if still losing team may want to see what they have in him.

Answer = Delone Carter

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I like them in this order Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone. W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.Blount - but it will take an injury Gerhart - same thing The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I disagree. Richardson certainly could make a move if Sjax remains ineffective.

Not a chance in the world

Great post. This kind of stuff is helpful to the discussion. How about some reasoning?

I thought it was self explanatory ... Steven Jackson has 7 consecutive 1000 yd seasons, awesome receiver, beast of a RB, if he had been on even a decent team he may be considered one of the greatest backs ever and he is durable (missed 2 game in last 3 seasons).

What does that have to do with the future? Or are you under the impression that SJax won't ever decline?

 

[CanaBuc]

Watched a game of Draughn on youtube and he looked like a stud in college. Right now with Hillis out this week he looks to get carries. They don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game as he is coming off injury and he is not a big back and will wear down or get hurt. Draughn got goal line carry in week 1 even with a healthy Hillis.Can see Draughn get 10-15 touches and some goalline work which could make him a good flex play this week or an emergency RB2 if you are delaing with injuries and can't risk things (Forte on MNF, SJAX, Bills SPiller and FJax.....)

While I think Draughn has some value, there are several things that are inaccurate about this post. 1-Hillis isn't out, he's doubtful. He probably won't play, but it's not definite, yet.2-More importantly, where do you get "they don't want JC to get more than 20 touches a game" from? Without some kind of source this seems like solely your opinion, and based on the fact that he got FORTY touches last game, a pretty bad one, at that.

The source is history. Aside form this past week which was a statistical outlier especially given Hillis got hurt and it was a game that also went to overtime, this has been JC workload over his career:2009 15 games 190 rushes which is 12.67 att/g2010 16 games 230 14.372011 1 game + 12 rushes2012 3 games 55 rushes (33 in one) 18.33/ game even with his crazy game.He is then good for typically 2-3 receptions a gameSo for his career he has between 15-20 touches a game typically 15 carries.

Oh, OK. Well, then, using that logic, I expect Wes Welker to get 100+ catches this year (history is my source). I also expect Michael Turner to get 300+ carries this year (history is my source). What? Those things aren't likely to happen because there are different offensive coordinators on those teams?Well I guess it's a good thing there isn't a new offensive coordinator in KC, or your history argument would look foolish.What? You're telling me there was an OC change in KC? So basically the argument that "they" (KC coaches) want to limit Charles' touches (based on historical usage) makes NO sense, since "they" (KC coaches) aren't the same coaches that historically limited his touches? Interesting.

Wow!Based on that answer you clearly must be a JC owner in fantasy!I am also basing things on common sense.Daboll brought in Peyton Hillis. You don't bring in a player you previously coached when he had a great year in 2010 to sit on the bench. He brought Hillis in to get touches. The coaching staff early preseason said they want to run the ball alot and that if they had their way as a pair they would see 500 touches.Charles is built more like a receiver. He is in the hold of Reggie Bush, CJ Spiller. These are not te type of guys who are going to rush it 300 times per year. Assuming 40 catches, That means at 20 carries per game he would be seeing 23 touches/game 360+ touches. I will gladly bet you that is not happening. He will top out barring injury at a max of 250-260. Which is about 16 carries a game. Add 2-3 receptions and he is in the 15-20 touches I mentioned.He is not a 20 carry back. Not if you want him to last a season.

You are completely clueless. Could you come post in my leagues?

Why are you trying to make this personal?Are you so egotistical that you can't handle when someone presents an argument that refutes yours?Please go back to the hole you crawled out from.If you have something constructive to say go ahead otherwise go.

 

[CanaBuc]

SJAx accomplished what he did in spite of the lack of talent surrounding him.

Richardson is no SJAX.

If he performs at all it is because of opportunity not immense talent.