Waiver WIre Running Back fliers (1 Viewer)

[SameSongNDance]

Guys, guys, JC arguments are ever everlasting and if they do end, they never end well. I know from experience.

As for SJax, mentioning his past isn't a good reason as to why he'll hold of Richardson in the present. If you want good reason you could point towards how even when SJax was much less than 100%, Richardson still only got 5 touches on the ball last week. You could also point towards how SJax was running better than Richardson in the WAS game before he got injured. Those are the arguments I would use.

 

[monk]

I like them in this order

Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.

Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone.

W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.

Blount - but it will take an injury

Gerhart - same thing

The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I disagree. Richardson certainly could make a move if Sjax remains ineffective.

Not a chance in the world

Great post. This kind of stuff is helpful to the discussion. How about some reasoning?

I thought it was self explanatory ... Steven Jackson has 7 consecutive 1000 yd seasons, awesome receiver, beast of a RB, if he had been on even a decent team he may be considered one of the greatest backs ever and he is durable (missed 2 game in last 3 seasons).

What does that have to do with the future? Or are you under the impression that SJax won't ever decline?

We are talking about this season and there's no reason to believe that SJax is going to decline This Season and even if he does there is 0 chance that he will be benched for Richardson.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

I like them in this order

Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.

Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone.

W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.

Blount - but it will take an injury

Gerhart - same thing

The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I think Grant might be worthy of a roster spot in deeper leagues but in what reality has Helu and Royster looked better than Morris? Morris is not spectacular by any means but he runs hard, doesn't turn over the ball and gets tough yards when needed. Until he stops doing those things he will not be replaced.

Helu 1st 3 starts1 - 162 total yds 4.7 per (7 rec)

2 - 142 total yds 4.3 per (4 rec)

3 - 132 total yds 4.7 per (2 Rec)

Royster 1st 2 starts

1 - 142 total yds 6.9 per (2 rec)

2 - 157 total yds 5.6 per (4 rec)

Morris 1st 3 starts

1 - 96 total yds 3.6 per (0 rec)

2 - 89 total yds 5.6 per (0 rec)

3 - 78 total yds 4.6 per (0 rec)

That my friend is reality!

but the Helu and Royster stats were last years reality. what are their stats this year?

 

[CanaBuc]

I find it silly so early in the season that so many here keep using the argument you can't use the past to decide how a player might be used or perform this year.

I mean, we have nothing else!!!!

Yes we can look at system, SOS health etc. to help, but fact is if a a player has always consistently performed and is healthy odds are we won't see a big change from 1 year to the next, unless they were a very young or old player thus moving in or out of their prime.

SJAX is one of the most consistent players over past 7 years and has done it in an offense where they could key on him. He has a coach who likes a bell cow back and has no qualms runnig a 29 year old back hard (Eddie George)

JC I have said my peace on him and 3 game sample size is too little to see what he will do as a 38 touch game which would be an outlier for any back in the league severley skews his touch count. HE will be back to 20 or less touches going forward at least once HIllis is healthy.

CJ0k. He might have some breakout games, he does face Indy and Jax 4 ties this year, but last year and this year so far have been consistent. He is now garbage.

 

[SameSongNDance]

With the recent news of him being active, I picked up Shane Vereen in one of my leagues. There's a decent chance Vereen becomes rather relevant as he's a better runner than Woodhead and more versatile than Ridley.

 

[Nucker101]

With the recent news of him being active, I picked up Shane Vereen in one of my leagues. There's a decent chance Vereen becomes rather relevant as he's a better runner than Woodhead and more versatile than Ridley.

Complete agree. He's NE's most complete RB.

 

[duaneok66]

With the recent news of him being active, I picked up Shane Vereen in one of my leagues. There's a decent chance Vereen becomes rather relevant as he's a better runner than Woodhead and more versatile than Ridley.

Complete agree. He's NE's most complete RB.

I disagree - he's a better receiver, but Ridley is more powerful. He had his chance this summer to overtake Ridley and didn't do it - Vereen still has a role in NE - but its RBBC at best.

 

[qimqam]

I like them in this order

Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.

Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone.

W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.

Blount - but it will take an injury

Gerhart - same thing

The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I think Grant might be worthy of a roster spot in deeper leagues but in what reality has Helu and Royster looked better than Morris? Morris is not spectacular by any means but he runs hard, doesn't turn over the ball and gets tough yards when needed. Until he stops doing those things he will not be replaced.

Helu 1st 3 starts1 - 162 total yds 4.7 per (7 rec)

2 - 142 total yds 4.3 per (4 rec)

3 - 132 total yds 4.7 per (2 Rec)

Royster 1st 2 starts

1 - 142 total yds 6.9 per (2 rec)

2 - 157 total yds 5.6 per (4 rec)

Morris 1st 3 starts

1 - 96 total yds 3.6 per (0 rec)

2 - 89 total yds 5.6 per (0 rec)

3 - 78 total yds 4.6 per (0 rec)

That my friend is reality!

but the Helu and Royster stats were last years reality. what are their stats this year?

Helu is on the IR but had 7 catches to Morris 0 before getting hurtRoyster is avg 7.0 per carry vs Morris 4.3

Morris yds per game has dropped steadily since week 1 and he has never broken 100yds rushing

That my friend is the reality!

 

[PinkydaPimp]

I like them in this order

Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.

Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone.

W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.

Blount - but it will take an injury

Gerhart - same thing

The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I think Grant might be worthy of a roster spot in deeper leagues but in what reality has Helu and Royster looked better than Morris? Morris is not spectacular by any means but he runs hard, doesn't turn over the ball and gets tough yards when needed. Until he stops doing those things he will not be replaced.

Helu 1st 3 starts1 - 162 total yds 4.7 per (7 rec)

2 - 142 total yds 4.3 per (4 rec)

3 - 132 total yds 4.7 per (2 Rec)

Royster 1st 2 starts

1 - 142 total yds 6.9 per (2 rec)

2 - 157 total yds 5.6 per (4 rec)

Morris 1st 3 starts

1 - 96 total yds 3.6 per (0 rec)

2 - 89 total yds 5.6 per (0 rec)

3 - 78 total yds 4.6 per (0 rec)

That my friend is reality!

but the Helu and Royster stats were last years reality. what are their stats this year?

Helu is on the IR but had 7 catches to Morris 0 before getting hurtRoyster is avg 7.0 per carry vs Morris 4.3

Morris yds per game has dropped steadily since week 1 and he has never broken 100yds rushing

That my friend is the reality!

7 catches? wow!in addition to that, Helu had just 2 rushing attempts for 2 yards this season. Royster has 5 rushing attempts for 35 yards. its pretty easy to average 7 yards per carry off only 5 attempts! im sure there are a number of scrub backs with much higher yards per carry that are sitting on the bench on rosters all over the league.

the reality is, Morris has:

61 rushes for 263 yards 4.3 yards per carry. of the running backs he has taken all but 7 rushes. He is running hard, has been playing well, and the coaches love him. He is in no danger of losing his role except to injury.

 

[qimqam]

I like them in this order

Grant - I don't think Morris has done anything spectacular (Helu and Royster have both looked better than Morris when they were given the opportunities) ... Wouldn't be surprised if Shenanigans made the move.

Miller - Reggie Bush banged up, Miller has looked good and certainly has talent to overtake Thomas who is ok and injury prone.

W.Powell - Because he is next in line and Williams hasn't been the picture of health, plus fumbles.

Blount - but it will take an injury

Gerhart - same thing

The rest have very little chance of getting the chance or doing anything if given the chance

I think Grant might be worthy of a roster spot in deeper leagues but in what reality has Helu and Royster looked better than Morris? Morris is not spectacular by any means but he runs hard, doesn't turn over the ball and gets tough yards when needed. Until he stops doing those things he will not be replaced.

Helu 1st 3 starts1 - 162 total yds 4.7 per (7 rec)

2 - 142 total yds 4.3 per (4 rec)

3 - 132 total yds 4.7 per (2 Rec)

Royster 1st 2 starts

1 - 142 total yds 6.9 per (2 rec)

2 - 157 total yds 5.6 per (4 rec)

Morris 1st 3 starts

1 - 96 total yds 3.6 per (0 rec)

2 - 89 total yds 5.6 per (0 rec)

3 - 78 total yds 4.6 per (0 rec)

That my friend is reality!

but the Helu and Royster stats were last years reality. what are their stats this year?

Helu is on the IR but had 7 catches to Morris 0 before getting hurtRoyster is avg 7.0 per carry vs Morris 4.3

Morris yds per game has dropped steadily since week 1 and he has never broken 100yds rushing

That my friend is the reality!

7 catches? wow!in addition to that, Helu had just 2 rushing attempts for 2 yards this season. Royster has 5 rushing attempts for 35 yards. its pretty easy to average 7 yards per carry off only 5 attempts! im sure there are a number of scrub backs with much higher yards per carry that are sitting on the bench on rosters all over the league.

the reality is, Morris has:

61 rushes for 263 yards 4.3 yards per carry. of the running backs he has taken all but 7 rushes. He is running hard, has been playing well, and the coaches love him. He is in no danger of losing his role except to injury.

Ahhh !!! First time FF player There was no chance Helu would lose the job after putting up much better number than Morris last year

There was no chance Royster would lose the job after avg 5.9 on 56 attempts last year and was #1 on the depth chart going into game 1.

 

[Bayhawks]

I find it silly so early in the season that so many here keep using the argument you can't use the past to decide how a player might be used or perform this year.

I mean, we have nothing else!!!!

Yes we can look at system, SOS health etc. to help, but fact is if a a player has always consistently performed and is healthy odds are we won't see a big change from 1 year to the next, unless they were a very young or old player thus moving in or out of their prime.

JC I have said my peace on him and 3 game sample size is too little to see what he will do as a 38 touch game which would be an outlier for any back in the league severley skews his touch count. HE will be back to 20 or less touches going forward at least once HIllis is healthy.

I find it silly that so many (OK, just CanaBuc) are using past situations to decide how a player will be used, despite the fact that current situations may be TOTALLY different.Coach Romeo Crennel didn’t apologize for using Charles so frequently...“I wish he could get it more."

Charles' CURRENT head coach believes he should get Charles the ball more (currently averaging 23.4 touches/game). His PREVIOUS head coach limited his touches. Do you still think his previous situation is the best one to use to analyze the CURRENT year?