Gatorman
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Henderson. No brainer there.
Meanwhile, DJ Chalk is out there on the wire. Any thougths?
Also, Minshew vs Murray assuming you have a decent QB.
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Waiver Wire Targets heading into week 8 (1 Viewer)
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Meanwhile, DJ Chalk is out there on the wire. Any thougths?
Also, Minshew vs Murray assuming you have a decent QB.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I can. He was horrible when he had the job. One gash play doesn’t change that.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Henderson
Weebs210
Footballguy
Murray easily. Top 5 potential. That was probably minshew best week of the year.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think this is a sneaky under the radar add. Clearly team brass doesn’t like Gibson and it’s not like Robinson is setting the world on fire.
Balco
Footballguy
He had more carries than Robinson last week too. Have to think he will continue to get more opportunities.
OrganizedChaos
Footballguy
Is there any actual news on what the knee injury James Conner had? Someone in my league dropped him (know he is currently on IR) and I could grab him (although I already have someone in my IR slot) but I can't find anything about what the actual injury was and thus any idea if he might be able to play coming off the 4 weeks or if that would just be a waste of a roster spot.
Doug B
Footballguy
More yards than Robinson, but one less carry (7 vs Robinson’s 8).
Everybody is considering blowing a huge load on Kincaid....but the sneaky pickup in exactly the same situation is Tre Mcbride. Zach Ertz just went on the IR just like knox did. Kincaid/Knox have 55 targets and 1 lousy catch. Mcbride/ ertz have 62 targets and 1 td..... Im betting mcbride can be had for considerably less.
Also Seattle red zone offense scheme has been non good. He might be the guy there going forward.
zamboni
Footballguy
Plus McBride may bake if Murray returns in a few weeks.
For sure. He is just not someone I have heard mentioned in a couple weeks and now he is going solo for at least 4 weeks. With the exception of 1 guy we havent had a bid of 30 bucks on a te all year. I expect Kincaid will go for close to that an McBride to go for cheap.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Just picked him up. In week 10, Philly and KC are on bye, so people will need a TE.
Doug B
Footballguy
Really trying to determine whether Rodriguez is better to have on a keeper (not dynasty) roster right now than an older "know what you're getting" player like, say, Royce Freeman.
In short: If it looks reasonably likely (greater than 50% chance) that Rodriguez does what Isiah Pacheco did last season for KC -- and then perhaps become a top-20 to 25 fantasy RB heading into 2024 drafts ... then it's worth stashing Rodriguez now in a keeper league like ours. Especially over a player like Freeman, who already has another (probably better) player blocking his fantasy output a good bit.
EDIT: I look at it as one of those "nab them before their breakout" situations. Just want to get opinions on how high Rodriguez' near-future ceiling can be. I like Brian Robinson, as well, and don't consider Robinson a scrub -- so that complicates the question.
Balco
Footballguy
I think Rodriguez ceiling is a RB2 because he isn’t really a pass catcher, although he is a fantastic pass blocker so he could see a lot of 3rd down action because of that. Which could also lead to receptions.
North-South runner who doesn’t have top end speed. But he scored a lot on college, and I think he doesn’t get enough credit for his running ability.
Absolutely should be owned in a keeper/dynasty league.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
That last paragraph is the key. When I look at RB’s, I try to guess what their path to team RB1 looks like. Robinson is good and I don’t see Rodriguez outperforming him when both are healthy. That leaves Gibson, who is more at threat of losing his role to Rodriguez. It should be noted though that Rodriguez only played 9 snaps and ran 1 route compared to Gibson’s 26 snaps and 19 routes run. With the Eagles next on the docket, I wouldn’t be in a rush to grab Rodriguez as I’m not expecting much of any of the Commanders’ RBs this week. But he’s worth keeping an eye on in case of injury to the two guys ahead of him.
Doug B
Footballguy
Another not-necessarily-relevant comparison to Pacheco:
Pacheco only had 14 targets all 2022 -- and I believe 10 targets in the 11 games he started. He did catch 13 of those 14 targets, at least.
This season so far (7 games), Pacheco is at 23 targets & 21 receptions. So it wouldn't be crazy unprecedented for Rodriguez to develop a workmanlike pass-receiving ability.
Saints fans (and perhaps his fantasy managers) will also remember Mark Ingram going from "can't catch" to a 50-catch guy.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Co-signing the Pop Douglas recommendation. I liked what I saw out of him in preseason and thought it'd be a matter of time before he takes the slot receiver role. But I thought it was Bourne, not JJSS, that he would be taking snaps from, and that was incorrect on my part. Bourne is shaping up to be a fine WR3/flex play if in a pinch, and Douglas is a little further out but I'm stashing him in case his role continues to expand. I want to see his snaps and targets trend upward. Pop looks like their most electric receiver.
Totally disagree that Rodriguez is more a threat to Gibson. Gibson is a converted wr and pass catching specialist. Rodriguez doesnt catch passes. I think he is more of a threat (and not a very big threat) to robinson. He is a fine dynasty stash because you never know...but he isnt replacing Gibson.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Thank you, I get what you’re saying. Gibson’s place as 3rd down/pass catcher shouldn’t be in jeopardy. I do wonder though if he’ll start to lose snaps to Rodriguez when Robinson needs a breather. Sounds based on what you said that Rodriguez fits the big back role, which would make him Robinson’s immediate replacement in the event of an injury.
Since this topic is waiver wire picks I have a situation I would like to know if any of you would object to it as being in any way unethical.
So I have been holding Mims for 3 weeks waiting for the inevitable sell off in denver of their wrs. Only thing I have heard is crickets but the trade deadline is monday. Id hate to drop him but there are several nice upside picks in the WW that runs tonight. If I wait for the trade that may never happen I am screwed with an empty roster spot. At this point I am inclined to DROP Mims pre waiver wire which makes him available for fcfs after the wire runs (and a slim chance he gets taken thru the WW, a situation I am ok with since I took that chance). If I drop him through the WW I wouldnt be able to get him back till next week and then I have to pay to get him back. Seems like a sneaky move that will have very limited use. Seems like a smart move and definitely not against the rules. But is it unethical???
So I have been holding Mims for 3 weeks waiting for the inevitable sell off in denver of their wrs. Only thing I have heard is crickets but the trade deadline is monday. Id hate to drop him but there are several nice upside picks in the WW that runs tonight. If I wait for the trade that may never happen I am screwed with an empty roster spot. At this point I am inclined to DROP Mims pre waiver wire which makes him available for fcfs after the wire runs (and a slim chance he gets taken thru the WW, a situation I am ok with since I took that chance). If I drop him through the WW I wouldnt be able to get him back till next week and then I have to pay to get him back. Seems like a sneaky move that will have very limited use. Seems like a smart move and definitely not against the rules. But is it unethical???
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I think it’s important to be receptive to new information. That’s what’s going to help all of us be more successful in our make pretend leagues.What makes this place special? I completely disagreed with a guys take and what kind of response did I get? A thanks emoji. A class response to a take he disagreed with.
Loris
Footballguy
He is still free in my league and I like him. Would have to drop RB Bigbsy or Charbs to get him tho...
themeistersinger
Footballguy
I don't see any reason it would be unethical. You're following the rules, and everybody else also has the chance to pick him up after Monday too if a Denver trade does go through. Colluding with another team is unethical. Making waiver drops and claims that benefit your own team is not unethical.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Because of Allen's propensity to force things downfield or try to be Derek Henry when the play breaks down instead of hitting his RBs and TEs on short/medium routs, I lean towards McBride RoS. K. Murray should be back soon and guys like Brown, Wilson and McBride could all become more than relevant and really help your team down the road. I love Kinkaid's skillset but Josh Allen limits his upside IMHO.
Its always good to know what is out there but more important to know the value you would be dropping. With an injury both bigsby and charbs are instantly top 15is rbs. with an injury to either of the rbs in washington can you say the same thing? I dont think so and I wouldnt drop either of those for a guy you might not be able to start WITH an injury.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agree with Allen forcing things downfield, but he’s not running as much this year (by design) and that could create more opportunities for Kincaid. I don’t think they drafted Kincaid that early to be an in-line blocker, which he’s not.
Loris
Footballguy
Agree... I think we all have handcuffs we hope pop... It's just frustrating 2 months in the season and nothing
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I agree but they drafted Cook for much of the same reason and it’s like he’s invisible to Allen unless he breaks free 20+ yards down the field. Allen has completely missed him on multiple occasions. Same goes for Kincaid. The guy can run a route, and has been wide open on multiple occasions as Allen forces it into coverage downfield. It will be interesting to see how they utilize Dalton with Knox down. Knox was obviously a better blocker, so do they try to force Kincaid into a role that doesn’t fit his skill set or do they put in another in line TE to fill Knox’s shoes?
ETA - Allen is running less but he’s also throwing more INTs. I have to believe they are seeing the same thing in film that we’re seeing on Sundays. Allen needs to stop forcing things and take what the D gives him. He has the talent of Hurts with the brain of Wentz. His careeer is at a crossroads IMHO. He will either take a huge leap forward or start to regress and fall off a cliff. It’s about 50/50 for me at this point. He’s 27.5 years old. He does some amazing things on the field but he needs to play better, stop trying to be a hero every play. At the least it will lose them important games. At the worst his body will break down.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The one I like the most is in Tennessee. In addition to value in the present situation, if Henry was to be dealt you could have two viable starters.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair points. I’d say there’s even more draft capital committed to Kincaid relative to Cook, but we’re talking a round. What seems to speak volumes is that they drafted Kincaid after already having Knox signed to a big contract last September. Doesn’t mean they’ll use Kincaid as we’d like, but he’s clearly in their plans.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I love Kincaid as a player and have absolutely no problem with him being drafted so high. He’s an elite talent that could develop into a top 3 TE. Now they need to figure out how to unlock and use those talents. He’s ready.
I put in a bidon Kincaid comensurate with the top TE bid all year hoping to get outbid. I put in a much smaller bid on McBride and willl be very very happy to get him instead.
rockaction
Footballguy
These are pale comparisons. Allen is a much better quarterback than Hurts is right now.
Also, Allen isn't going anywhere. He's a proven, winning quarterback in the league, separated from a Super Bowl only because of about ten seconds of Patrick Mahomes-inspired genius. He came up short the last two years to the Bengals, who have better overall offensive skill position players than the Bills do, and are a tougher football team than the Bills.
It should not be a reflection on Allen, IMO. The Bills are still a fine team who will contend by year's end. The Jets and The NEP, two teams the Bills have lost to this year, have sick defenses. No shame in that game.
Well dropping him just before the WW just to make in available just after struck me as being potentially an unethical manipulation of the ww..... I guess its the ex commish in me making doubly sure I didnt do anything out of the ordinary for fear of seeming unethical. Now that I think of it we had a situation like this a few years and a couple people complained saying everybody should have notice that this player was available. My ruling was, they WERE notified since they were available on the WW but since nobody picked them up they were immediately available after just clearing waivers.
rockaction
Footballguy
Unless you're doing that Yahoo! bench stash thing on Thursday or Sunday night, there's really no question that what you're doing is fine. At least in my book. Players go on and off the wire all the time and it behooves the league members to keep track lest they miss out.
I don't see a thing wrong with what you're doing, and I'm the kind of guy that thinks out of position guys are a no-go ethically, so I have some scruples here.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Curious as to what makes Allen a much better QB than Hurts?
FWIW the Bulls have one of the most talented rosters in the league, but they will never win a Super Bowl playing the way they play.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Yeah I don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s the shadow roster move, I’ve done that more than a few times myself. You’re taking a risk if there’s a change in the new cycle. For example last week on Wednesday, I picked up Darrell Henderson Jr. when waivers cleared, nobody made a claim and he had just signed to their practice squad. I got too cute and cut him on Thursday for Myles Gaskin, thinking it was the big brain move (I doubted Hendo’s conditioning). But later that Thursday the news broke that the Rams were planning on activating Hendo and featuring him and Freeman ahead of the more popular waiver add at the time, Zach Evans. Sunday morning when waivers cleared Hendo got claimed by someone else.
I’ve been able to drop players on Thursday in the past and get them back on Sunday if nobody put in a claim, but occasionally that backfires. All depends on who is paying attention and whether anyone else in your league cares enough about the player in question. But when it works out, it’s like expanding your bench to hedge your bets for the Thursday and early Sunday games. Nothing wrong with it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Allen's had three good years -- one excellent one, two very good ones, and is on the way to an excellent one again. Hurts has had one really good year and that was last year and was excellent. But Allen's best year was better than Hurts's best, and Allen has been doing it longer.
I just did a quick Pro Football Reference scan and they're a bit similar, but Josh was better at his high point and is actually quite remarkable this year compared to Hurts if you look at ANY/A and other advanced stats.
rockaction
Footballguy
See, this is the Yahoo! glitch I'm talking about and I don't know about that one. I do know that picking up a guy normally is fine. I'm not sure about the Thursday "don't start him" shenanigans to see what he does and drop him if he does nothing. What he's doing seems different than that.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Allen's QBR is better. Hurts' QBR isn't as impressive, but it's fine. I concede Allen has played QB statistically better from a traditional standpoint, but we both know there is more to the story. This is only Hurts' 3rd full season as the starter, but admittedly he hasn't looked great this season.
So does that mean Allen is already started a decline and Hurts is just getting started? Hurts is barely 25 while Allen is 27.5. That matters, especially for QBs who rely on their legs. It's a small sample, but Allen doesn't look like the same guy trying to play from the pocket. Both QBs are starting off slow and not looking like they did at their peak. They are still performing admirably in fantasy. #1 and #2 in 4 pt passing TD leagues, but 6 games in, Hurts has almost reached his previous season total in INTs. He has 8, the most he's had in a season was 9. Allen is also on pace for his worst INT total ever as well. Allen's on pace for 17, Hurts 19. Both have lost 2 fumbles.
And are we talking about real football or fantasy football? One is reliant on fantasy points only. The other is getting your team over the hump in do or die games. Either way, throwing more INTs and running less will make Allen less valuable going forward from a fantasy perspective. It might make him a better QB though, time will tell. He has a cannon of an arm, one of the best I've ever seen, but his decision making is questionable at best. Do you disagree?
Anyway, there is no winning this argument. Performance has been similar. Personally, if I'm building a franchise around a QB an had to choose one of the two, it would be Hurts. Just my opinion.
yeah once a guy has played he is locked on our league. I just dropped mims with no news of a trade so that I can (course somebody else can too) pick him back up after waivers have ran. If I had waited and dropped himm thru waivers he would be protected till next weeks waivers.
fatness
Footballguy
As a Washington fan and masochist, I think Rodriguez is the last Washington RB to roster, after Robinson and Gibson. Washington is kind of falling apart in a weird year where the owner was **** canned but everyone else remained, and the coaching (and play) has suffered on the field as a result. All the coaching staff knows they're on a 1-year trial and they're looking to their future which is affecting their coaching now. Bienemy is trying too hard, del Rio is remaining rigid and not adjusting until halftime, and Rivera lets each of them run their half of the team and is unusually passive while he tries to figure out where he'll be next year. On a directionless team, it's hard to justify rostering RB3 unless you have a big roster.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
We have big rosters (18 + 2 IR) in our full PPR redraft. Think have to pass on Chris Rodriguez even though I like his tape.
Would have to drop my RB5 Roschon Johnson or my WR5/6 Jayden Reed or Jamo. All have upside absent an injury, Rodriguez haa negligible upside if there is an injury. He's still looking for his first target and wasn't involved in the passing game at Kentucky.
Would have to drop my RB5 Roschon Johnson or my WR5/6 Jayden Reed or Jamo. All have upside absent an injury, Rodriguez haa negligible upside if there is an injury. He's still looking for his first target and wasn't involved in the passing game at Kentucky.
He was the add Sunday morning. In leagues where people have brains he shouldn't have been on waivers this week.
Gone in both my leagues late last week
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