DocHolliday
Footballguy
I really like the Lions of those choices.I do not have DET as an option but am rolling with Rams. They should be a decent start.
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Waiver Wire Week 15 Defenses (1 Viewer)
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donkshow
Footballguy
I want to start the Lions (actually still on the FA but no way they get picked up). However, the Rams have been fantastic the last few weeks vs. the Cardinals, 49ers and Bills.
steveski
Footballguy
I see your point about the Rams, but I'm still skeptical. Not surprising that they put up a good game against the Cards and the Bills and as far as the 49ers, I think that could be chalked up to a good division rivalry.
donkshow
Footballguy
Quite true.
Only thing that makes a difference is they are at home and might play slightly better. Detroit should feast on them for plenty of turnovers and hopefuly a pick 6. 
need2know
Footballguy
would you drop the jets for them? I currently have GB and NYJ, but the DET matchup here is growing on me
I think Detroit is the #1 defense this week. Look what SEA did to AZ. AZ gave up. Their O line is in shambles and a turnstyle to the QB. Suh should have a field day! Jets have been playing better, getting more pressure, sacks and INT's. They also have been in low scoring games. So, it depends on your defensive scoring. In my league, we give 2 points for turnovers and additional points for holding opponents under 20 points, anywher from 3-20 for a shut out.would you drop the jets for them? I currently have GB and NYJ, but the DET matchup here is growing on me
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
There is a big difference between the Seattle D at home hosting Arizona, and the Lions D on the road at Arizona. By my league's scoring, the Lions D has not scored more than 6 points in a week the entire season, and only scored 6 once!
need2know
Footballguy
in my leagues scoring they have broken double digits twice and have gone negative twice. they have been poor all year. at this point though I am thinking about getting them just to keep them from someone else this week. I think I like the packers better this week
dmac37
Footballguy
Yes to bothI picked up Cincy 2 weeks ago when I saw 49'ers matched with NE. I think last night should have sealed the deal for you with the Pat's going off.
The Squeaky Wheel
Footballguy
It's not what Detroit defense has done up to this point. The matchup is Arizona, particually Arizona's offensive line. I have watched all of their games this season. Their offensive line is the worst line that I have seen in over 30 years of watching NFL. College defenses would feast on this line and horid QB play.'Cheesedawg said:
packersfan
Footballguy
They're definitely high risk but if it's the matchup you want, you can't ask for a better one. Vegas also has them as the third-highest favorite so far this week. I've been playing weekly matchups with my defenses much of the season and I rely heavily on the Vegas lines. More often than not, they've steered me in the right direction.ETA - the three highest favorites as of today according to Vegas are all defenses that may be on a lot of Waiver Wires:Miami (7 point favorites over Jacksonville)Cleveland (6.5 point favorites over Washington but sure to change significantly if RG3 is cleared)Detroit (6 point favorites over Arizona)'Cheesedawg said:
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Sarnoff
Footballguy
IIRC, MIA/JAX also has the lowest over/under point total, which may be more important than point spread in looking at fantasy defense scoring.
packersfan
Footballguy
This game and Cleveland-Washington are both at 37 points for the over/under right now and I agree. Again, though, if RG3 is cleared the Cleveland-Washington line is going to change significantly. For those who can't make WW pickups up to game time the Browns come with a lot of risk.
BRONG
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Why couldn't you just say he's right, it's indeed a good indicator that you forgot to include? lol @ the added commentary.
BRONG
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packersfan
Footballguy
I did. Feel free to find a dictionary and look up what the words "I agree" mean. If you're going to keep trolling my posts on this board at least come up with something clever. Better yet, don't be a Richard and put me on Ignore. Your choice.
BRONG
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packersfan
Footballguy
Thanks for proving my point.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Finally some devil's advocacy regarding Detroit. While AZ served up a feast to SEA last week, there's no guarantee the same thing will happen with the Lions. I used the DET D a few times this year in plus match ups but they never really capitalized. Add to that all the valid points in bold above and I'd think twice before going with DET. At least look at the other defensive match ups you could take advantage of before just automatically going with DET. I like MIA vs. a beat up JAX team if Cecil Shorts and Jennings remain out.Everybody likes this matchup but I'm not so sure. AZ was so badly embarrassed that if they have an ounce of pride left, they will at least show up with effort. They can't come home and lay another egg that big.And Detroit just played their last really meaningful game of the year. In Lambeau on Monday night. This, on the heels of losing a heartbreaker to the Colts at home and a brutal OT loss on Thanksgiving. Now, they have a short work week and another roadie; out west no less. This has FLAT written all over it. Buyer beware. If you want to take it even further, they play Atlanta at home the following Saturday on national TV. This is the sandwich of all sandwich games and I expect a dull performance from an undisciplined squad to begin with... How do they get up for Arizona right now?
I realize one pick 6 or sack n' scoop changes all that -- it could definitely happen -- I'm just saying this isn't the slam-dunk some are making it out to be.
Me? I prefer to say hello to my little friend in Miami.
packersfan
Footballguy
I don't think you start the Lions with the expectations they do what Seattle did last week or even come close to that. I think you start them because the Cardinals are a bad team with a horrible offensive line and an abysmal QB situation. There's definitely risk involved because the Lions' defense isn't very good and certainly hasn't been very good for fantasy this season. But the matchup is terrific so on paper Detroit is a worthy play this week in my opinion and potentially a great one. I wouldn't start them over a productive defense like Denver or a potentially great defense facing a tough matchup like Chicago but if you've been playing matchups each week with your defense the Lions are one of the strongest options this week in my opinion and likely to be available on most WWs.
I think they're a clear start over Denver vs. a potent Ravens' offense and Chicago (missing Urlacher) vs. one of the best offenses in the league. Suh and Fairley should toy with that O-line.
fordhampro
Footballguy
What are people's thoughts on GB @ Chi if they've been dropped? Clay Mathews and Woodson are supposed to be back this week, right?
I might even pick them up just for TEN at home week 16
I might even pick them up just for TEN at home week 16
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Well stated.If Detroit scores just half of what Seattle scored, they are potentially tops for the week.
I guess it depends on your scoring. One of my leagues you loose points for yards allowed so KC defense which is poor against the run (Will McFadden get 100+ yards?)and Palmer could easily reel off another 250-350 yard game so I don't like the Chiefs. My concern with the Dolphins is they don't force many turnovers with only 9 ints and not many fumble recoveries. I may take a shot the Lions @ AZ
Be nice to find a WW DST that also has a good matchup week 16. I currently have the Jets @Ten and am thinking the Jets home vs SD could be an okay week 16.
Be nice to find a WW DST that also has a good matchup week 16. I currently have the Jets @Ten and am thinking the Jets home vs SD could be an okay week 16.
The Squeaky Wheel
Footballguy
Well stated. You can't expect anything near what Seattle produced last week. That was the perfect storm. But Detroit defense has a great matchup on paper. As well as Miami Defense. Both are solid starts.
packersfan
Footballguy
The Titans are my backup plan if I don't get the Lions. Tennessee has had some moments defensively this season, including a Pick 6 last Sunday against the Colts. At home against a bad Jets' offense might not be a bad play.
GeorgeCostanza
Footballguy
yea but fairley might not play. i'm keeping a close eye on that
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Have a bye this week so also looking at week 16. Ind vs KC?
I certainly wouldn't go with the last one. Newton is playing really well right now and in playoff time the last thing I would want is a donut (or negative if scoring allows it). I don't think the Chargers have done well enough this year to think they would do anything if Cam plays like he has recently.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I was wondering about this one as well. It depends on Cutler. I've heard mixed things on him playing this week...
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Not one mention for the Steelers. The 4th worst defense in one of my leagues going against DAL and their O-line. In NFL terms, the Steelers have been very good and now with Polomalu back, I expect them to "bring it".
Sweet Feet
Footballguy
with Murray back it gives Dallas better balance to help off set the pressure. I think the Steelers could be a decent play but I'd roll with the Lions or possibly even MIA instead.
Sweet Feet
Footballguy
Cam has been playing well lately but the Chargers do have 5 INTs, 6 FR, 13 sacks and 5 D/ST TDs the last 6 games. I wouldnt play them this week but they could be a nice play week 16 @ NYJ and 17 vs Oak.
BRONG
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Maybe because most don't see the Steelers on their WW.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Steelers concern me if their weakened secondary can't stop 3rd downs. They were owned last week. In my league I'm in bidding wars for Lions (this week) and the Patriots (for the superbowl if I make it). I have the Steelers, Broncos and Jets now, likely cutting 2. I think the Steelers will come fired up, but don't know if they can cover everyone. Broncos? Just don't like how many weapons the Ravens have. And I don't love the Jets on the road.
Starting to think more about the Rams. Playing much better of late after getting their psyche battered with Rodgers/Brady back to back. MN is a one trick pony with ADP, unless you count the occasional 1 yarder from Ponder to Rudolph. Ponder just sucks. Trust Fisher to game plan this one. At home. If they can get a lead it could be very good. Beginning to think they may be my best option.
Starting to think more about the Rams. Playing much better of late after getting their psyche battered with Rodgers/Brady back to back. MN is a one trick pony with ADP, unless you count the occasional 1 yarder from Ponder to Rudolph. Ponder just sucks. Trust Fisher to game plan this one. At home. If they can get a lead it could be very good. Beginning to think they may be my best option.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I think the Lions D is fools gold his week. They haven't looked good all year and have scored zero TD's on defense and special teams. The Raiders and the Jags are the only other two teams that have zero TDs on defense and special teams. I actually think the Cards D will outscore the Lions D this week.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Where have I heard this before?
(oh yeah ... last week at home vs. lame duck Norv and the mess that is Rivers?) 
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For me, it's not how bad their defense has looked, but rather how much worse Arizona has looked the past few weeks. Their QB situation is a laughingstock, their RBs are ineffective, and their O-Line has more holes than Swiss cheese. They can make any average defense look terrific.With that said, I'm going to monitor the status of Fairley this week. If he's out, I may change my mind and switch to the Miami Defense (I might switch to them regardless if Shorts is out for the Jags).
Fantasy Bum
Footballguy
I have Chicago's defense. They have been great up until injuries caught up to them. Last 4 weeks in my league they have scored
SanFran - 1 pointvs. Minn. - 13 pointsvs. Seattle - 1 point@ Minn. - 6 pointsNot playing them against Green Bay this week. I will take my chance with Detroit's matchup this week.
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4th&inches
Footballguy
I just claimed Cincy's D, but if there's no Shorts playing for Jax this week, I may actually drop Cincy for Mia before Thu's game.
EHRMAHGERD
Footballguy
Detroit actually has a ST touchdown but otherwise I agree with you.'TwinTurbo said:
EHRMAHGERD
Footballguy
I should add to the conversation though.
I was debating between:
Detroit or Cincinnati
I dropped San Francisco and picked up Cincinnati for a couple of reasons.
First: They have scored more then 10 points in weeks 10, 11, 12, and 13. Philidelphia is worse than the opponents they faced throughout these weeks.
Second: They play on Thursday, the short week gives a huge advantage to Cincinnati especially when Philly is starting a Rookie QB and RB.
So I made my decision, why am I back on this board?
The Arizona matchup looks pretty good! for now I am sticking with Cincinnati.
I was debating between:
Detroit or Cincinnati
I dropped San Francisco and picked up Cincinnati for a couple of reasons.
First: They have scored more then 10 points in weeks 10, 11, 12, and 13. Philidelphia is worse than the opponents they faced throughout these weeks.
Second: They play on Thursday, the short week gives a huge advantage to Cincinnati especially when Philly is starting a Rookie QB and RB.
So I made my decision, why am I back on this board?
The Arizona matchup looks pretty good! for now I am sticking with Cincinnati.
Abspara
Footballguy
I view DET as being the DEF with with highest upside this week. It's not so much that DET is a fantastic defensive unit, it's moreso that the CAR are an abysmal offensive unit. Last year, most defenses that started against the Colts were pretty good plays due to goldie locks at QB and Jim "the statue" Caldwell coaching the team. This year, it's the Cardinals that are the team to play a DEF against.
I played SEA this past week and reaped the rewards. My expectations are tempered this week with DET but I do believe they offer the highest upside, and that's what I'm looking for in the playoffs.
I played SEA this past week and reaped the rewards. My expectations are tempered this week with DET but I do believe they offer the highest upside, and that's what I'm looking for in the playoffs.
