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Wali Lundy appears first on the depth chart (1 Viewer)
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I personally listen more to what team's say than guesses by reporters, websites, or things that appear 100% speculation.
So what is the team saying then that would contradict this?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yeah, but getting nearly every carry in the 1st half of the "most important" preseason game is pretty telling. I like the way the kid runs. Hits the hole very hard, with little hesitation. Vern is the Tatum Bell of the Texans.... the home run-hitting changeup.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Last I heard. the team has not come out and said that Lundy is the starter. What the team HAS said is that it will be a RRBC at least for Week 1 with DDavis out. IMO, anyone coming to other conclusions is extrapolating what will happen on their own.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'd be curious to hear what everyone thinks the chances are of Davis successfully returning from his injuries to reclaim (and KEEP) the starting gig. Personally, he's slipping so low on my draft list, I can barely see him anymore.
See, THIS is why you need to read my postings on HOU RB situation.
Can you post a link to these postings?
Yes, I completely eliminated Davis from my draft list and he inexplicably went in the 2nd round of my draft. I almost fell spilled my beer laughing so hard. Apparently, not everyone knows that his leg has fallen off...
Who is BrassNBrew and Marc Levin?
massraider
Footballguy
This is the only thing the Kubiak has said. He hasn't said anything to contradict that.
GregR_2
Footballguy
I'm wondering if this depth chart they refer to is their own personal one. The depth chart on the Texans site has Antowain #2 and 4 RBs listed as #3 including both Morency and Lundy. The NFL.com depth chart has Antowain 2nd, Morency 3rd and Lundy 4th.On the use of Lundy tonight, speculation here... but there is game film of Morency in the NFL from last year, while there is none of Lundy. One interpretation of tonight could be wanting to see more of Lundy for that reason. Though overall, if I had to place a bet tonight for who gets the most touches, I'd probably place it on Lundy.
no but you can do a search
ydub
Footballguy
Coaches say a lot of things (see: Ron Dayne). Here are the facts(reposted from another forum):Exhibit A:
Lundy received 1st team reps in the 1st preseason game against the Chiefs in the 2nd quarter(Morency didn't pick up a single carry):
3-7-KC41 (5:33) W.Lundy right tackle to KC 16 for 25 yards (S.Knight, G.Wesley).
1-10-KC16 (4:49) D.Carr right end ran ob at KC 7 for 9 yards (G.Wesley).
2-1-KC7 (4:15) W.Lundy right guard to KC 3 for 4 yards (K.Bell).
1-3-KC3 (3:36) W.Lundy up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Sammy Knight, Greg Wesley, and Kendrell Bell are all 1st teamers on the KC defense.
Exhibit B:
Lundy started the 2nd preseason game against the Rams and ran with/against the 1st teamers for the first quarter and a half (Morency entered the game mid 2nd quarter after Linehan pulled the majority of the defensive starters).
Exhibit C:
Lundy started the 3rd preseason game against the Broncos and didn't relinquish his position until the 3rd quarter (after the Broncos 1st teamers had called it a night).
Exhibit D:
Lundy: 26/143/1 (5.5 ypc) and 6 catches/52 yards against NFL starters
Morency: 0/0 and 0/0 against NFL starters
Bottom line: Lundy has started two preseason games. Morency has started none. Lundy has ran with/against the 1st teamers in all three football games. Morency has yet to run with/against the 1st teamers. Lundy was drafted by Kubiak. Morency is a holdover from the Capers regime. Dismiss Kubiaks words for a moment, what do his actions tell you?
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Smith is SO toast, even toast makes fun of him.Rerun from "What's Happening" could beat him in the 40.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I'm gonna.This sounds like good authority on who is the starting RB for Houston!!
massraider
Footballguy
It tells me he's interested in Lundy.And I get where you're coming from, it looks good for Lundy, bad for Morency.But choosing to draw a conclusion off preseason situations, rather than what the coach actually said? I don't totally ignore the fact that Lundy got all the action, not at all. Just like I don't ignore that both the backs have had good and bad moments.
I think there's a lot of reasons why a back might get more action in a certain situation, in the preseason particularly. Maybe Morency is considered more of a known quantity, and they want to see if Lundy is worth of a RBBC role. I dunno.
I guess if Kubiak really is looking for Lundy to be his guy, why say he was planning on going RBBC? I don't see the angle in lying.
Full disclosure: I own Lundy in one league. I hope you are 100% right, and Morency never sniffs the field.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
ydub
Footballguy
I certainly don't think that Lundy will get ALL of the work. After all, which RB does? And Morency has flashed a few moments (against 2nd unit defenders from the Chiefs and Rams), but Lundy appears to be the clear front runner in this particular horse race and he looks to have had every opprotunity to secure the starting RB job. Morency really hasn't received the same number/quality of chances and I wonder if the deck isn't stacked a bit.
brakeyawself
Footballguy
At least they got a Defensive End....That could have been drafted or signed for much less.Thats what I dont get. I dont care how good Mario is. DE's are just easier to come by. Even really good ones. Maybe not great ones.But wouldnt you rather have a GREAT RB, (which Bush has potential to be) and a good DE rather than a good RB and a Great DE (which Williams still only has the potential to be)? I certainly would. Mind Boggling.
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mcjc4
Footballguy
I had to come back to this thread, how bad did Houston handle the DD situation? DD is not healthy, was not healthy and should have never been given a big extension. ( I am out on a limb with the extension thing). I think he signed a decent deal recently. This situation will be the 'what if" for Houston fans for 20 years.
Game changing players do come around every few years, (Moss,faulk,Rice,Favre, Emmitt, Sanders,Manning ect.. Thats not the issue. Its being that 1 of 32 to have a chance to get that player. Houston may have passed up that chance and now have to deal with RBBB. (Running Back By Back-Ups)
Game changing players do come around every few years, (Moss,faulk,Rice,Favre, Emmitt, Sanders,Manning ect.. Thats not the issue. Its being that 1 of 32 to have a chance to get that player. Houston may have passed up that chance and now have to deal with RBBB. (Running Back By Back-Ups)
Wingnut
Footballguy
CBS are idiots as usual:
Vernand Morency, RB HOU
News: Wali Lundy got the start in Sunday's preseason game at Denver, as he is the No. 2 running back in Houston behind Domanick Davis (knee) right now ahead of Vernand Morency. Morency scored a two-point conversion Sunday night and rushed 13 times for 36 yards. He also caught three passes for 20 yards.
Analysis: Morency had been admonished for dancing around too much instead of making one cut and hitting the hole. He and Lundy will continue to fight for carries until Domanick Davis (knee) is healthy enough to shoulder the load. Morency might be a nice sleeper for Fantasy owners in the middle- to late-rounds. It is pretty good idea to add Lundy and perhaps Morency later on Draft Day if you select Davis early.
Vernand Morency, RB HOU
News: Wali Lundy got the start in Sunday's preseason game at Denver, as he is the No. 2 running back in Houston behind Domanick Davis (knee) right now ahead of Vernand Morency. Morency scored a two-point conversion Sunday night and rushed 13 times for 36 yards. He also caught three passes for 20 yards.
Analysis: Morency had been admonished for dancing around too much instead of making one cut and hitting the hole. He and Lundy will continue to fight for carries until Domanick Davis (knee) is healthy enough to shoulder the load. Morency might be a nice sleeper for Fantasy owners in the middle- to late-rounds. It is pretty good idea to add Lundy and perhaps Morency later on Draft Day if you select Davis early.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Wali Lundy-RB- Texans Aug. 27 - 8:27 pm et
Texans rookie RB Wali Lundy started Sunday's exhibition game.
Lundy is expected to rotate with Vernand Morency in Week 1 while Domanick Davis (knee) sits. The rookie carried ten times for 44 yards and made three grabs for 17 more. Lundy fumbled on a helmet-to-ball hit in the first half
Vernand Morency-RB- Texans Aug. 27 - 11:18 pm et
Vernand Morency had 36 yards and score on 13 carries, as well as three catches for 20 yards in Sunday's preseason loss to the Broncos.
Most of his action came against second-teamers, but Morency runs low and hard and is a good receiver. While Wali Lundy appears first on the depth chart, Morency will likely be a factor early in the real season.
Texans rookie RB Wali Lundy started Sunday's exhibition game.
Lundy is expected to rotate with Vernand Morency in Week 1 while Domanick Davis (knee) sits. The rookie carried ten times for 44 yards and made three grabs for 17 more. Lundy fumbled on a helmet-to-ball hit in the first half
Vernand Morency-RB- Texans Aug. 27 - 11:18 pm et
Vernand Morency had 36 yards and score on 13 carries, as well as three catches for 20 yards in Sunday's preseason loss to the Broncos.
Most of his action came against second-teamers, but Morency runs low and hard and is a good receiver. While Wali Lundy appears first on the depth chart, Morency will likely be a factor early in the real season.
Traders2001
Footballguy
WHo started the frist three pre season games , i guess it tells you he will start the season.
If he will still be #1 by week 4 or 5 i dont know .
But Lundi will be the starter .
If he will still be #1 by week 4 or 5 i dont know .
But Lundi will be the starter .
Big Papi
Footballguy
I could see Morency fitting well into a 3rd down back role, guaranteeing him 10-15 touches per game. That would leave 15-20 for Lundy to deal with - not sure if that's enough for him to be worthy of starting, but it's never bad to have that kind of depth (+ potential) on your bench.
If I recall, the last guy that Joe was pimping as hard as Lundy was Willie Parker and that seemed to turn out pretty well.
If I recall, the last guy that Joe was pimping as hard as Lundy was Willie Parker and that seemed to turn out pretty well.
Bristol
Footballguy
EXACTLY!!!
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Ahem! Bristol - THIS os the good posting. The guy you quoted obviously didn't "get" the point. Neither did you.On the issue, these sites talking abou morency continuing to be a viable option to start the season as a late pick up are in CYA mode because they simply DON'T KNOW any better than any of you do about what's the best move.I CAN say that the advice to take all three if you take Davis is the stupidest thing I've evr read.The only real question should be exactly WHERE in the draft should you look to snake Lundy away from the DD owner? IMO, after you have three RBs on your roster you are very comfortable with - or you have 4 - look to snag Lundy. I'm thinking anytime after the 8th or 9th round is appropriate.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Even better - scarf him up off waivers after your draft concludes as your RB4.
However, this might not be possible any longer after last nights performance.nightshift
Footballguy
mektarus
Footballguy
So? So they haven't updated the depth chart? No matter where he's listed, DD is not starting this season in uniform. And Smith hasn't touched the ball at all this preseason. You still think they will hand him the starting gig for week 1?
Mr. Chumley
Footballguy
I thought Rerun was dead.
ydub
Footballguy
Exactly.
videoguy505
Footballguy
I don't think the HC for any team is mired in the HTML fixing the websites on the weekend. IMO, the websites are probably maintained by someone associated with publicity or promotions, and takes the cue to change the chart from the press releases the team puts out.
RERUN RIP
bostonfred
Footballguy
For those of you that know me, I don't care if you liked my trade, I'm not going into specifics about my league, and I don't want to talk about the rest of my team. But last night, in a keeper league, I traded Dom Davis and Wali Lundy to the guy who had Vernand Morency for Deshaun Foster and another player, because I had DeAngelo Williams.
My thoughts on Dom Davis and Foster are similar - they're both huge injury risks. Foster is healthier now, and will start the season. Dom Davis is a little more likely to come back and be a stud at the end of this season, and may have more keeper value. But otherwise, they're virtually identical in my mind - I wouldn't want either one without their backups.
The big difference to me was that DeAngelo is a legitimate backup who will do well long term. He's easily the most valuable of these players from a keeper perspective. At first blush, it sounds like Dom Davis' backup is going to be valuable, but in the real world, if you're starting a backup who is in a RBBC, your team needs help. Wali and Morency have very little value, IMO.
In fact, I could have gotten away with making the trade before I picked up Lundy, and would have been able to keep Lundy on my roster. But my thoughts with Lundy are that, 1) he has very little trade value today. Nobody is going to trade much for him, not even the Davis owner. 2) There's a good chance the real backup will be Morency. If not, there's a good chance that they will be RBBC. And we really don't know how much, if at all, Antowain Smith will be involved in real games if either struggles. So even if it turns out Dom is out long term, he may have no starting value. 3) if we were to find out Dom Davis were going to be out past week 1, we probably wouldn't suddenly hear that he's done for the season. They seem to be stringing this out a little, which makes sense, because they don't want the fans to revolt over them passing on Bush. So even if Lundy's the guy, his trade value won't go up until later in the season. 4) The Texans' first five weeks will destroy whatever trade value he might have, with games against Philly, @Indy, Washington, Miami, and a bye week. So let's say the coaching staff is cautious with Davis and decides to keep him out until after the bye week, Lundy (or Morency, or both) is still going to be virtually worthless as a starting back. And it doesn't get much easier in weeks 6 and 7 with games @Dallas and vs. Jacksonville. And 5) in a keeper or dynasty league, Lundy's value is even lower than most backups, because the number of things that would have to happen for him to be the long term answer is so much less likely than for a guy like Maurice Morris, Pittman, DeAngelo Williams, Maroney, Houston, and so on.
So basically, the more I looked at it, the less value Lundy had to me. That doesn't mean he won't do well. It's possible he'll be the surprise RB this year, and is the most talented player in the world. I haven't even seen him play. But just looking at the situation, the Houston RB is one I'd like to avoid altogether. If I could get Dom Davis, I'd be willing to back him up with the other two, but only because I'd think I could get those backups very cheaply, and ideally, I would only ever start a healthy Davis, not one of the backups. If I didn't have Dom Davis, I wouldn't want anything to do with Lundy or Morency, except as a very late pick in a league with very deep rosters.
My thoughts on Dom Davis and Foster are similar - they're both huge injury risks. Foster is healthier now, and will start the season. Dom Davis is a little more likely to come back and be a stud at the end of this season, and may have more keeper value. But otherwise, they're virtually identical in my mind - I wouldn't want either one without their backups.
The big difference to me was that DeAngelo is a legitimate backup who will do well long term. He's easily the most valuable of these players from a keeper perspective. At first blush, it sounds like Dom Davis' backup is going to be valuable, but in the real world, if you're starting a backup who is in a RBBC, your team needs help. Wali and Morency have very little value, IMO.
In fact, I could have gotten away with making the trade before I picked up Lundy, and would have been able to keep Lundy on my roster. But my thoughts with Lundy are that, 1) he has very little trade value today. Nobody is going to trade much for him, not even the Davis owner. 2) There's a good chance the real backup will be Morency. If not, there's a good chance that they will be RBBC. And we really don't know how much, if at all, Antowain Smith will be involved in real games if either struggles. So even if it turns out Dom is out long term, he may have no starting value. 3) if we were to find out Dom Davis were going to be out past week 1, we probably wouldn't suddenly hear that he's done for the season. They seem to be stringing this out a little, which makes sense, because they don't want the fans to revolt over them passing on Bush. So even if Lundy's the guy, his trade value won't go up until later in the season. 4) The Texans' first five weeks will destroy whatever trade value he might have, with games against Philly, @Indy, Washington, Miami, and a bye week. So let's say the coaching staff is cautious with Davis and decides to keep him out until after the bye week, Lundy (or Morency, or both) is still going to be virtually worthless as a starting back. And it doesn't get much easier in weeks 6 and 7 with games @Dallas and vs. Jacksonville. And 5) in a keeper or dynasty league, Lundy's value is even lower than most backups, because the number of things that would have to happen for him to be the long term answer is so much less likely than for a guy like Maurice Morris, Pittman, DeAngelo Williams, Maroney, Houston, and so on.
So basically, the more I looked at it, the less value Lundy had to me. That doesn't mean he won't do well. It's possible he'll be the surprise RB this year, and is the most talented player in the world. I haven't even seen him play. But just looking at the situation, the Houston RB is one I'd like to avoid altogether. If I could get Dom Davis, I'd be willing to back him up with the other two, but only because I'd think I could get those backups very cheaply, and ideally, I would only ever start a healthy Davis, not one of the backups. If I didn't have Dom Davis, I wouldn't want anything to do with Lundy or Morency, except as a very late pick in a league with very deep rosters.
enfuego
Footballguy
I know they screw up a bit, but, where did CBS miss here? Sounds fairly on to me...CBS are idiots as usual:
Vernand Morency, RB HOU
News: Wali Lundy got the start in Sunday's preseason game at Denver, as he is the No. 2 running back in Houston behind Domanick Davis (knee) right now ahead of Vernand Morency. Morency scored a two-point conversion Sunday night and rushed 13 times for 36 yards. He also caught three passes for 20 yards.
Analysis: Morency had been admonished for dancing around too much instead of making one cut and hitting the hole. He and Lundy will continue to fight for carries until Domanick Davis (knee) is healthy enough to shoulder the load. Morency might be a nice sleeper for Fantasy owners in the middle- to late-rounds. It is pretty good idea to add Lundy and perhaps Morency later on Draft Day if you select Davis early.
I was with them right up until they said "if you select Davis early."
Wingnut
Footballguy
I drafted before last night but grabbed Lundy in round 19 as my RB5 (well, actually RB4 ahead of M Turner on my depth chart). Davis was taken in the 4th by an owner that wasnt aware of the extent of the Davis situation, and Morency went in the 14th.
Lundy has started the last two games, and has seen most of the work with the first unit. It has been stated that Kubiak and company like Lundy a lot and they have had some problems with Verands one cut running ability. I think for week one we will see Lundy 2/3 and Morency 1/3. After that it will be whoever performs better, and don't rule out Houston picking up a waiver wire casualty ie. Davenport, Suggs, or Ron Dayne.
There is a poll that is nearly split evenly in a different thread. It will come down to whoever performs better, which has yet to be seen, but I believe that Lundy will get first crack at it by starting in game 1.
Kubiak in Houston will do exactly what they do in Denver. Draft a low guy they like and start them for cheap. No wonder why Kubiak passed on Bush! He has to be thinking that he can plug in any RB he likes and get great production out of them, so why not draft a guy like julius Peppers(Mario Williams). All I have to say is that I drafted W. Lundi for $1 two days ago 
Thanks, I just saw that.I am not going to try to convince myself of something opposite of what is clear from having watched the game last night...Wali Lundy is the starting RB in Houston, for now. So, I just dropped Morency for Lundy. I hope I'm right.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
You would be a fool not to hold them both right now.
RabidRabbit
Footballguy
Picked Wali in last round this weekend in a 20 round snake draft with 10 teams. That I would think is pretty great value, since Morency was even selected ahead of Lundy by a few rounds. Even if Lundy and Morency are busts, I find this quite funny. Amazing how people fail to do their homework. FYI: Dom Davis went with the 1st pick in the 3rd round (3.1)...bad, bad, bad.
Also on another note featuring sleeper rook RBs:
Not to hijack, but Mike Bell went in the 6th round. Is that crazy? Saw Tatum Bell received goal line carries this weekend.
Also on another note featuring sleeper rook RBs:
Not to hijack, but Mike Bell went in the 6th round. Is that crazy? Saw Tatum Bell received goal line carries this weekend.
6th rd for Bell is overrated... I had Denver backfield last year and it sucked. W. Lundi in the 20th rd is a great stealM. Jones-Drew is a sleeper rb right now, but Toefield may beat him out
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