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Walter Football 2011 Rookie Rankings (1 Viewer)

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So funny how wrong most football "experts" were:

http://walterfootball.com/fantasy2011rookierankings.php

My favorites are:

AJ Green - ranked 3rd - "A.J. Green is not going to reach his full potential until Andy Dalton becomes a legitimate NFL quarterback. That may actually never happen, so that's the risk you're taking if you pick Green."

DeMarco Murray - ranked 15th - "DeMarco Murray will battle Phillip Tanner for Dallas' No. 2 running back role behind Felix Jones. Murray is more talented than Tanner, but he's much more injury-prone. I wouldn't trust Murray, and I might actually want Tanner more"

Cam Newton - ranked 18th - "Cam Newton has QB2 fantasy potential because of his rushing ability. He'll never be a great passer though"

 
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I don't see what's laughable about the Murray and Green analysis. It seems pretty on point.

 
They pegged Murray pretty good, he's talented but can't be trusted as he's always banged up.

What they said about AJ green wasn't that far off, his future and upside is tied to dalton.

Big miss on newton but almost everyone missed on him and was shocked by his passing ability.

 
'EBF said:
I don't see what's laughable about the Murray and Green analysis. It seems pretty on point.
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Green - It's laughable now that Green was top 10 in PPR leagues this season and his QB made the pro-bowl. Dalton is already a legitimate NFL QB, year 1. Dalton looks pretty damn good to me and he's a great fit for AJ Green to hone is skills withMurray - It's laughable that they'd rather have Tanner than him.So basically what's funny:1) No one would question if Dalton is a legitimate QB even after his rookie year. AJ Green would without hesitation be taken as the #1 pick in rookie draft redo's for 2011. AJ Green is not even close to a risk. He'll be taken as a top 10 WR heading into 2012 redrafts.2) Murray, even with a broken foot, is considered a low-end #1 RB heading into 2012. Again, Tanner who? LOL.
 
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'Carl Eller said:
'EBF said:
I don't see what's laughable about the Murray and Green analysis. It seems pretty on point.
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Green - It's laughable now that Green was top 10 in PPR leagues this season and his QB made the pro-bowl. Dalton is already a legitimate NFL QB, year 1. Dalton looks pretty damn good to me and he's a great fit for AJ Green to hone is skills withMurray - It's laughable that they'd rather have Tanner than him.So basically what's funny:1) No one would question if Dalton is a legitimate QB even after his rookie year. AJ Green would without hesitation be taken as the #1 pick in rookie draft redo's for 2011. AJ Green is not even close to a risk. He'll be taken as a top 10 WR heading into 2012 redrafts.2) Murray, even with a broken foot, is considered a low-end #1 RB heading into 2012. Again, Tanner who? LOL.
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Disagree about Dalton, wait till next year when all the teams have seen him
 
'wiscstlatlmia said:
'Carl Eller said:
'EBF said:
I don't see what's laughable about the Murray and Green analysis. It seems pretty on point.
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Green - It's laughable now that Green was top 10 in PPR leagues this season and his QB made the pro-bowl. Dalton is already a legitimate NFL QB, year 1. Dalton looks pretty damn good to me and he's a great fit for AJ Green to hone is skills withMurray - It's laughable that they'd rather have Tanner than him.So basically what's funny:1) No one would question if Dalton is a legitimate QB even after his rookie year. AJ Green would without hesitation be taken as the #1 pick in rookie draft redo's for 2011. AJ Green is not even close to a risk. He'll be taken as a top 10 WR heading into 2012 redrafts.2) Murray, even with a broken foot, is considered a low-end #1 RB heading into 2012. Again, Tanner who? LOL.
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Disagree about Dalton, wait till next year when all the teams have seen him
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He led his team to the playoffs this season as a rookie. That's legit......no way around it. Wait until next year when Dalton has an offseason under his belt and when he has time to see what all the teams he is going to play do defensively. I personally don't think Dalton will ever be an elite fantasy QB, but he's a legit NFL QB.
 
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'Carl Eller said:
He led his team to the playoffs this season as a rookie. That's legit......no way around it. Wait until next year when Dalton has an offseason under his belt and when he has time to see what all the teams he is going to play do defensively. I personally don't think Dalton will ever be an elite fantasy QB, but he's a legit NFL QB.
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well, i suppose we have established dalton is as good as sanchez or flacco or vince young.
 
'cvnpoka said:
'Carl Eller said:
He led his team to the playoffs this season as a rookie. That's legit......no way around it. Wait until next year when Dalton has an offseason under his belt and when he has time to see what all the teams he is going to play do defensively. I personally don't think Dalton will ever be an elite fantasy QB, but he's a legit NFL QB.
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well, i suppose we have established dalton is as good as sanchez or flacco or vince young.
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Are you more comfortable about AJ Green going forward now after one year of performance with Dalton than you were in August of 2011? I bet your answer would be yes. Oh wait.....you'd likley take Mark Ingram over AJ Green.
 
How did Murray do without Fiammetta blocking for him?

 
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'Xue said:
How did Murray do without Fiammetta blocking for him?
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What the hell is wrong with everyone here? You are all being A-Holes tonight. I just thought it was a little funny how AJ Green was thought of as a risk, how Tanner was thought of as better than or more valuable than Murray, and how Cam can't throw. Those were not preposterous statements in August of 2011.......but they are now. That's all this thread is about. I guarantee none of us would now say AJ is a risk, none of us would say Tanner > Murray, and that Cam can't throw. That's all this thread was meant to do was to show how things don't turn out exactly as expected.
 
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I'm not sure those write-ups are all that funny. The way that guy writes up his mock drafts is funny though as well as his post draft grades - i.e. giving the Detroit Lions an F for every pick one year because they didn't take an offensive tackle. The guy seems to think he could run an organization better then most GMs. Unless it's his shtick, the guy thinks he's a know it all but in actuality isn't anything close to it.

 
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'Carl Eller said:
So funny how wrong most football "experts" were:

http://walterfootbal...kierankings.php

My favorites are:

AJ Green - ranked 3rd - "A.J. Green is not going to reach his full potential until Andy Dalton becomes a legitimate NFL quarterback. That may actually never happen, so that's the risk you're taking if you pick Green."

DeMarco Murray - ranked 15th - "DeMarco Murray will battle Phillip Tanner for Dallas' No. 2 running back role behind Felix Jones. Murray is more talented than Tanner, but he's much more injury-prone. I wouldn't trust Murray, and I might actually want Tanner more"

Cam Newton - ranked 18th - "Cam Newton has QB2 fantasy potential because of his rushing ability. He'll never be a great passer though"
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Ranking are obviously based off of preseason play. With the exception of the Carolina game, Dalton pretty much sucked in preseason. Kendrick and Ridley rankings are evidence why preseason stats can't be taken too seriously.
 
I have no idea how Walter's football has gotten into the "expert" category. Unless I am mistaken he has no background in real scouting. that said, he probably has worse examples than pointed out here as these were closer to concensus from last year than totally laughable category.

 
If you're going to nit-pick with the aid of hindsight, you might want to actually find some rookie rankings from last year that were embarrassing.

 
'Multiple Scores said:
Not sure I see the comedic value at all. On another note WalterFootball is a fantastic site and resource.
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Yea, I just like Walter football, they put out a lot of good stuff. Nothing against you OP, They were certainly off on Demarco Murray.Also, drafting Ingram in front of AJ Green, even at that point, was a folly IMO.
 
'Carl Eller said:
'Xue said:
How did Murray do without Fiammetta blocking for him?
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What the hell is wrong with everyone here? You are all being A-Holes tonight. I just thought it was a little funny how AJ Green was thought of as a risk, how Tanner was thought of as better than or more valuable than Murray, and how Cam can't throw. Those were not preposterous statements in August of 2011.......but they are now. That's all this thread is about. I guarantee none of us would now say AJ is a risk, none of us would say Tanner > Murray, and that Cam can't throw. That's all this thread was meant to do was to show how things don't turn out exactly as expected.
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Ironic ain't it?
 
'pittstownkiller said:
'Carl Eller said:
'Xue said:
How did Murray do without Fiammetta blocking for him?
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What the hell is wrong with everyone here? You are all being A-Holes tonight. I just thought it was a little funny how AJ Green was thought of as a risk, how Tanner was thought of as better than or more valuable than Murray, and how Cam can't throw. Those were not preposterous statements in August of 2011.......but they are now. That's all this thread is about. I guarantee none of us would now say AJ is a risk, none of us would say Tanner > Murray, and that Cam can't throw. That's all this thread was meant to do was to show how things don't turn out exactly as expected.
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Ironic ain't it?
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:D
 
'Dr. Octopus said:
'pittstownkiller said:
'Carl Eller said:
'Xue said:
How did Murray do without Fiammetta blocking for him?
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What the hell is wrong with everyone here? You are all being A-Holes tonight. I just thought it was a little funny how AJ Green was thought of as a risk, how Tanner was thought of as better than or more valuable than Murray, and how Cam can't throw. Those were not preposterous statements in August of 2011.......but they are now. That's all this thread is about. I guarantee none of us would now say AJ is a risk, none of us would say Tanner > Murray, and that Cam can't throw. That's all this thread was meant to do was to show how things don't turn out exactly as expected.
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Ironic ain't it?
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:D
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Awesome!
 
'pittstownkiller said:
'Carl Eller said:
'Xue said:
How did Murray do without Fiammetta blocking for him?
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What the hell is wrong with everyone here? You are all being A-Holes tonight. I just thought it was a little funny how AJ Green was thought of as a risk, how Tanner was thought of as better than or more valuable than Murray, and how Cam can't throw. Those were not preposterous statements in August of 2011.......but they are now. That's all this thread is about. I guarantee none of us would now say AJ is a risk, none of us would say Tanner > Murray, and that Cam can't throw. That's all this thread was meant to do was to show how things don't turn out exactly as expected.
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Ironic ain't it?
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:goodposting: AWESOME!

All in all, there's just not much to be gained by using hindsight to pick at a guy and two of the three statements were spot on. I bet if someone REALLY wanted to, they could go back and find some of the OP's posts that look "funny" now.

Walter never said AJ was bad, just spoke the truth in that he will never reach his full potential until Dalton shows something. And one could argue that the jusr is still out. A year ago at this time, we would have said "Sam Bradford" showed us something. Are we as convinced now, after the sophomore season?

Murray, last time he checked, DID in fact get hurt and although I know I am in the minority on this one, I'm not ready to annoint this guy as highly as a lot are based on a month's worth of work, stepping in after the rest of the week had banged themselves up already. Murray didn't look fresh and explosive to me at all after HE had played a month or so. IMO, jury is out on that one too.

 
'Carl Eller said:
So funny how wrong most football "experts" were:

http://walterfootball.com/fantasy2011rookierankings.php

My favorites are:

AJ Green - ranked 3rd - "A.J. Green is not going to reach his full potential until Andy Dalton becomes a legitimate NFL quarterback. That may actually never happen, so that's the risk you're taking if you pick Green."

DeMarco Murray - ranked 15th - "DeMarco Murray will battle Phillip Tanner for Dallas' No. 2 running back role behind Felix Jones. Murray is more talented than Tanner, but he's much more injury-prone. I wouldn't trust Murray, and I might actually want Tanner more"

Cam Newton - ranked 18th - "Cam Newton has QB2 fantasy potential because of his rushing ability. He'll never be a great passer though"
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Taken from the FBG cheetsheets prior to the season starting -20 Cam Newton (14.07) Car/9 235

8 Josh Freeman (07.02) TB/8 289

2 Michael Vick (01.09) Phi/7 352

45 DeMarco Murray (15.04) Dal/5 85

24 Knowshon Moreno (04.07) Den/6 164

18 Mark Ingram (05.05) NO/11 176

9 Peyton Hillis (03.02) Cle/5 213

4 Chris Johnson (01.05) Ten/6 238

26 A.J. Green (08.08) Cin/7 123

16 Mario Manningham (06.05) NYG/7 144

12 Mike Williams (04.01) TB/8 156

11 Brandon Lloyd (05.06) Den/6 157

Bad rankings happen, Carl Eller, do you find these "funny"?

 
'Multiple Scores said:
'Carl Eller said:
So funny how wrong most football "experts" were:

http://walterfootball.com/fantasy2011rookierankings.php

My favorites are:

AJ Green - ranked 3rd - "A.J. Green is not going to reach his full potential until Andy Dalton becomes a legitimate NFL quarterback. That may actually never happen, so that's the risk you're taking if you pick Green."

DeMarco Murray - ranked 15th - "DeMarco Murray will battle Phillip Tanner for Dallas' No. 2 running back role behind Felix Jones. Murray is more talented than Tanner, but he's much more injury-prone. I wouldn't trust Murray, and I might actually want Tanner more"

Cam Newton - ranked 18th - "Cam Newton has QB2 fantasy potential because of his rushing ability. He'll never be a great passer though"
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Taken from the FBG cheetsheets prior to the season starting -20 Cam Newton (14.07) Car/9 235

8 Josh Freeman (07.02) TB/8 289

2 Michael Vick (01.09) Phi/7 352

45 DeMarco Murray (15.04) Dal/5 85

24 Knowshon Moreno (04.07) Den/6 164

18 Mark Ingram (05.05) NO/11 176

9 Peyton Hillis (03.02) Cle/5 213

4 Chris Johnson (01.05) Ten/6 238

26 A.J. Green (08.08) Cin/7 123

16 Mario Manningham (06.05) NYG/7 144

12 Mike Williams (04.01) TB/8 156

11 Brandon Lloyd (05.06) Den/6 157

Bad rankings happen, Carl Eller, do you find these "funny"?
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If you'd read the post no nuts.....you'd realize it was about rookies. IQ of less than 50 for you?
 
Can all of you please invite me to your dynasty leagues? I'll give you Steven Jackson for Murray. I'll give you Hines Ward for AJ Green. I'll give you Peyton Manning for Cam Newton. Let's play!

 
'Carl Eller said:
So funny how wrong most football "experts" were:

http://walterfootbal...kierankings.php

My favorites are:

AJ Green - ranked 3rd - "A.J. Green is not going to reach his full potential until Andy Dalton becomes a legitimate NFL quarterback. That may actually never happen, so that's the risk you're taking if you pick Green."

DeMarco Murray - ranked 15th - "DeMarco Murray will battle Phillip Tanner for Dallas' No. 2 running back role behind Felix Jones. Murray is more talented than Tanner, but he's much more injury-prone. I wouldn't trust Murray, and I might actually want Tanner more"

Cam Newton - ranked 18th - "Cam Newton has QB2 fantasy potential because of his rushing ability. He'll never be a great passer though"
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These are not the egregious errors you're looking for.He didn't dog A.J. Green, he was down on Dalton. So he wasn't wrong about Green. He might be wrong about Dalton, though.

He says Murray is more talented than Tanner. He just said he doesn't trust Murray with his injury history. He was actually pretty prophetic in that regard.

He said Newton would never be a great passer. Newton had a great season. So this does look like a miss. But it is only one season and he wasn't the only one with doubts about Newton's translation into the NFL. And Newton did seem more vulnerable (as a passer) as the season went on. But if you want to close the book on Newton and claim he's already established himself as a great passer in the league, go ahead.

 
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