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Warren Sapp rips Porter (1 Viewer)

As a fan, the whole Porter fiasco just doesn't sit well with me. There's nothing worse for Art Shell than starting his first (in along time) training camp with a major distraction like this. Jerry Porter is a big baby. His pouting actually began when they traded for Randy Moss. Porter's had many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders and he's never been able to do it. And Al Davis still throws millions of dollars at him and he acts like this? They should cut him loose right now and let Porter go somewhere else and show the rest of the NFL he's just another Alvin Harper or Peerless Price.  :thumbdown:
Well, to be fair, those "many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders" was actually only one opportunity and that was in 2004.
Not really true. A good WR could have beat out those Dinosaurs that were in front of him in 2003.
Guess you've forgotten Porter only appeared in 10 games in 2003 and ended up having surgery for an initially improperly diagnosed abdominal tear.I don't think even Holt, Harrison, or TO would've been able to beat out Rice & Brown, while playing with an abdominal tear. :no:
He couldn't beat out Brown for #2 in 2002 (of course he blames Gruden not himself). Wasn't going to beat out Rice until Rice was practically in a walker. TO beat out Rice just fine. If Porter was a true #1 he'd have done the same before 2004. He hadn't beat out Rice in 2003 before the injury or after returning from it. In fact Curry was putting up better stats even in 2004 than Porter before Curry got hurt again. Porter is a #2 nothing better despite his appearance wearing a title belt. I hope Al Davis and Shell bury him on the bench and Curry stays healthy enough to keep him there.
No offense intended Lightning Fast Whip, but I really don't think you know what you're talking about in regards to Porter and I think you're serverely underestimating just how good and the high level of play both Brown & Rice were producing at only a few years ago.FYI

Porter was a jack of all trades in High School.

"Blue Chip All-American selection, adding All-State honors while competing as a fullback, quarterback, receiver, defensive end, corner-back and free safety during his three-year career at Coolidge High."
- Porter then only Lettered for three years in College. This was a huge reason Porter was as raw as the steak at your local Grocery store coming into the NFL, is because of how he was used at West Virginia & at Coolidge High.

Sophomore

Appeared in every game, seeing action at free safety and flanker as a sophomore.

Junior

Recorded 28 tackles As a junior, All-Big East Conference selection after starting every game at free safety ... In on 63 tackles with five interceptions and five passes defensed ... Gained 129 yards on eight kickoff returns (16.1 avg) ... Recovered an onside kickoff, returning the ball 29 yards, deflected a pass and came up with 12 tackles against Ohio State ... Posted three straight six-tackle performances - against Rutgers, Miami of Florida and Temple.

Senior

Saw action as a free safety in the first five games, filled in as an emergency quarterback vs. Rutgers and then finished the second half of the season as a flanker.

So of the above three years in Porter's College career, he had about one, to maybe one and a half seasons worth of experience, at the Flanker position

2000 Porter's 1st year in the NFL, he only played in 12 games, starting none and what little action he did see as a WR, it was in the slot.

(Brown 76 recpt, 1,128 yds, 11 TD's & Jett 20 recpt, 356 yds, 2 TD's ahead of him)

2001 Porter garnered slightly more playing time, appearing in 15 games, but only ended up starting in one as a WR and that one start was again in the slot. (Brown 91 recpt 1,165 yds, 9 TD's & Rice 83 recpt, 1,139 yds, 9 TD's ahead of him)

2002 is the year Porter began to really show his talent. He appeared in all 16 games that year, starting 14 while filling the the WR slot position and posting solid #'s - 51 recpts for 688 yds with a 13.5 avg and 9 Td's.

(Brown 81 recpt, 930 yds, 2 TD's & Rice 92 recpt, 1,211 yds, 7 TD's ahead of him)

2003 Porter suffered a set back. Here I am correcting myself. Porter was initially diagnosed as having an abdominal strain, which as it turns out, was a mis-diagnosis by the Raiders medical staff. A second opinion revealed his injury to actually be a Sports Hernia which he ended up requiring surgery for. He did appear in 10 games, but only started one and wasn't truly healthy in any.

(Brown 52 recpt, 567 yds 2 TD's & Rice 63 recpt, 869 yds, 2 TD's ahead of him)

2004 we know what he did. His first year in the NFL playing full-time at the WR flanker position, Porter rang up 64 recpts for 998 yds with a very nice 15.6 avg to go along with 9 TD's.

2005 saw Porter in the #2 WR role and he posted a decent, if not great, 76 receptions 942 yards & 5 TD's with a 12.4 ypc.

 
No offense intended Lightning Fast Whip, but I really don't think you know what you're talking about in regards to Porter and I think you're serverely underestimating just how good and the high level of play both Brown & Rice were producing at only a few years ago.
I agree that Porter has talent. If he could just find a Nautilus machine that would strengthen his brain...
 
2005 saw Porter in the #2 WR role and he posted a decent, if not great, 76 receptions 942 yards & 5 TD's with a 12.4 ypc.
Hi BS,Do you think there's any chance 2005 could be labeled a "great" season?

J

 
2005 saw Porter in the #2 WR role and he posted a decent, if not great, 76 receptions 942 yards & 5 TD's with a 12.4 ypc.
Hi BS,Do you think there's any chance 2005 could be labeled a "great" season?

J
You have missunderstood what I was saying Joe, probably because of how I wrote it. I was trying to say Porters 2005 season while decent, was NOT great.

Personally I expected more out of Porter last year, especially once Moss was hobbled and Curry was out of the picture. I know the line was pretty horrific and that probably affected how much time Collins had to throw hence the huge reception totals for Jordan. Still, I hate to use that as an excuse for Porter.

One thing though, I guess I need to go back and take a few more writing classes. :blush:

 
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2005 saw Porter in the #2 WR role and he posted a decent, if not great, 76 receptions 942 yards & 5 TD's with a 12.4 ypc.
Hi BS,Do you think there's any chance 2005 could be labeled a "great" season?

J
You have missunderstood what I was saying Joe, probably because of how I wrote it. I was trying to say Porters 2005 season while decent, was NOT great.

Guess I need to go back and take a few more writing classes. :blush:
No problem, BS. This is a tough way to communicate sometimes. Especially with the volume of stuff and ideas you're putting out. No worries.I'm with you though on that his potential is through the roof. I think that's what makes this so :wall:

J

 
Big Score- I appreciate his TALENT. Just not his attitude or determination to maximize his talent. In fact since I love talented #2 WRs playing opposite a Superstar #1 I drafted Porter and Glenn at picks 90 & 92 in a June Draft. I've done 2 drafts in last couple weeks and wouldn't have anything to do with Porter after reading about him having a blow up with his coaches. We've all heard the stories of the inmates running Callahan out of town (perhaps rightfully so...but still doesn't sit right) and a few names that come up are Charles Woodson,the other DB and Porter. Porter being the last one left obviously has had Al Davis support and more cash than he deserved (Potential sometimes gets grossly overpaid). But I think when HOF type guys like Biletnikof and Shell are united when describing the 'tude Porter is poisening the hopes of a new Team work ethic with as well as openly questioning the "direction" the team is headed RIGHT in front of the Guy who was just hired to be the new direction it's time to take a stand against a guy who doesn't seem so interested in maximizing his potential or the Teams efforts to reach it's potential either. That he clashed with so many head coaches should be a huge Red Flag on this clown for years.

 
Big Score- I appreciate his TALENT. Just not his attitude or determination to maximize his talent. In fact since I love talented #2 WRs playing opposite a Superstar #1 I drafted Porter and Glenn at picks 90 & 92 in a June Draft. I've done 2 drafts in last couple weeks and wouldn't have anything to do with Porter after reading about him having a blow up with his coaches. We've all heard the stories of the inmates running Callahan out of town (perhaps rightfully so...but still doesn't sit right) and a few names that come up are Charles Woodson,the other DB and Porter. Porter being the last one left obviously has had Al Davis support and more cash than he deserved (Potential sometimes gets grossly overpaid). But I think when HOF type guys like Biletnikof and Shell are united when describing the 'tude Porter is poisening the hopes of a new Team work ethic with as well as openly questioning the "direction" the team is headed RIGHT in front of the Guy who was just hired to be the new direction it's time to take a stand against a guy who doesn't seem so interested in maximizing his potential or the Teams efforts to reach it's potential either. That he clashed with so many head coaches should be a huge Red Flag on this clown for years.
Now this I agree with.I have no idea what Porter's mental problem is, but I'm sure he has one.

I'm not trying to be funny here either. I'm really beginning to wonder if he's Bi polar or ADHD or something along those lines. :shrug:

 
That he wasn't even the Top WR in 2004 while Curry was healthy is also telling. 2002 isn't that impressive when you remember Gannon was putting up 4600 yards. I'm disappointed this guy doesn't seem to understand what it takes to be a great player. He'll never be any better than just a good #2 with his attitude imo.

 
Big Score- I appreciate his TALENT. Just not his attitude or determination to maximize his talent. In fact since I love talented #2 WRs playing opposite a Superstar #1 I drafted Porter and Glenn at picks 90 & 92 in a June Draft. I've done 2 drafts in last couple weeks and wouldn't have anything to do with Porter after reading about him having a blow up with his coaches. We've all heard the stories of the inmates running Callahan out of town (perhaps rightfully so...but still doesn't sit right) and a few names that come up are Charles Woodson,the other DB and Porter. Porter being the last one left obviously has had Al Davis support and more cash than he deserved (Potential sometimes gets grossly overpaid). But I think when HOF type guys like Biletnikof and Shell are united when describing the 'tude Porter is poisening the hopes of a new Team work ethic with as well as openly questioning the "direction" the team is headed RIGHT in front of the Guy who was just hired to be the new direction it's time to take a stand against a guy who doesn't seem so interested in maximizing his potential or the Teams efforts to reach it's potential either. That he clashed with so many head coaches should be a huge Red Flag on this clown for years.
Now this I agree with.I have no idea what Porter's mental problem is, but I'm sure he has one.

I'm not trying to be funny here either. I'm really beginning to wonder if he's Bi polar or ADHD or something along those lines. :shrug:
Maybe, I don't know. But he sure seems content to be mearly good and not strive to be great. Just disappointing if you like the Raiders,Shell, Brooks or Randy Moss at all.
 
That he wasn't even the Top WR in 2004 while Curry was healthy is also telling.
Actually, Porter was the top WR while Curry was healthy.Curry had 679 yards through the first 13 games.

Porter had 725 yards through the first 13 games.

2002 isn't that impressive when you remember Gannon was putting up 4600 yards.
Considering the opportunities Porter had then, I was pretty impressed. Tough to do more than he did with the targets he got. Remember, he wasn't calling the plays and even though you refer to Brown & Rice as dinosaurs, those dinosaurs were still kicking butt back then. Gannon had a pretty large degree of trust in them.

I'm not trying to come across as a Porter apologist (you can see that from my thoughts on him in 2005), but I thought he produced quite well in 2002, given his circumstances.

I'm disappointed this guy doesn't seem to understand what it takes to be a great player. He'll never be any better than just a good #2 with his attitude imo.
I can't argue with this, as you may well be right and recent events certainly seem to confirm that your opinion is well on the way to being accurate. Personally, I hope he sucks it up and gets over whatever got his panties in a wad and just goes out to play some good football like he says he will.But I'm not holding my breath. :(

 

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