Was: Matt Ryan to the Dolphins (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

Okay, I am a Dolphin fan, and while I am not a huge fan of this idea, let's talk about Ryan to the phins.

One of the things that Ryan would buy (that Cameron could have bought by taking Quinn) is time. You get a real rookie high round QB, and you expect him to have growing pains as he learns the system. Very few pundints would give the phins any crap for going out and solving their most glaring need since # 13 retired. As long as he is more Carson Palmer (or Big Ben) than David Carr this is a win for the franchise. It is very similar to why parcells took bledsoe for the patriots way back when: It solved the teams most glaring need in one fell swoop (and if ryan was another Bledsoe I would be happy as a phin fan)

With the OT depth in this draft, jake long is not a priority, and some say he is better suited at RT (and RT are not #1 overall picks)

Chris Long is a nice thought, but we have JT for another few years and they both play the same position (if JT is traded, I believe C Long is the #1 pick for the phins).

If the phins trade down, I still see them taking a QB on the first day (Flacco would be great since that is a spanish nickname (for someone who it thin)) I could see all the cuban fans going "Dale flaco, tira la bola"

Please discuss

 

[travdogg]

Well, Ryan isn't in Palmer's league first of all. I'd say he's more like Eli or Matt Leinart with a better work ethic.

I agree that taking Ryan would be a good idea for Miami(assuming they keep Taylor) but they really can't go wrong with Ryan or either of the Longs.

 

[FTRWRTR]

While the dolphins need a qb I can't see them taking ryan at the top spot. First off you don't want beck or whoever starts at qb this year to be constantly looking over there shoulder everytime he makes a mistake, second I'm not sure he's that much better than brohm, henne, or flacco. Everything I read about ryan seems to be saying that he's a good safe qb who will manage the game but he doesn't sound like the type of qb you want to go out there and win a shoot out for you.

 

[kremenull]

No matter how hard I try, I just don't see Matt Ryan as anything special to warrant the No. 1 overall selection in a draft this talented. In past years like the Alex Smith or David Carr draft, maybe you take that risk, but this year there are way too many defensive players who will shine to be taking a guy #1 overall who is not a standout stud QB. I've seen way too many differences of opinion on where Ryan projects as an NFL player, and I see more (likely) Philip Rivers and (best case) Matt Hasselbeck than Palmer/Manning/Brady. I just wouldn't take that type of risk here, as some of the QBs that you can get later aren't that far behind Ryan, IMO.

 

[JAA]

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[trader jake]

Taking Matt Ryan #1 makes sense. However, I don't see why taking a QB in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round does. Either get your franchise quarterback or continue to develop Beck.

 

[Dolphan1987]

no.. please, god no.. let him go to atlanta.

i want jake long at number 1..

if we do draft a qb, i'd take flacco.. but i rather spend the secong first round pick on a CB.

we have a lot of holes to be drafting "i wonder if he'll make it" QB's in such high rounds.

 

[kremenull]

Taking Matt Ryan #1 makes sense. However, I don't see why taking a QB in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round does. Either get your franchise quarterback or continue to develop Beck.

Well, if the 2nd and 3rd Rd guys are just as good as Ryan, then I can see why it makes a whole lot of $en$e.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

One of the few bright spots for Miami is their OL especially Satele at Center...he looks like he could be the next Kevin Mawae. I think Miami should continue to spend money on their OL as it will allow for a mediocre passing game to perform alright with more time to throw the ball. i also think if their running game can create 5 and 6 minute drives it will ease the pressure of a so so at best defense for the time being. I think this will be the direction miami heads thru the draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Matt Ryan will be a franchise QB and the Dolphins should draft him, let him sit behind Josh McCown this year, and take over next year.

I also think they could do the same thing with Brian Brohm.

 

[MAC_32]

Matt Ryan is not a top 10 player, he is definitely not worthy of the #1 pick.

 

[faux_bear]

Okay, I am a Dolphin fan, and while I am not a huge fan of this idea, let's talk about Ryan to the phins.

One of the things that Ryan would buy (that Cameron could have bought by taking Quinn) is time. You get a real rookie high round QB, and you expect him to have growing pains as he learns the system. Very few pundints would give the phins any crap for going out and solving their most glaring need since # 13 retired. As long as he is more Carson Palmer (or Big Ben) than David Carr this is a win for the franchise. It is very similar to why parcells took bledsoe for the patriots way back when: It solved the teams most glaring need in one fell swoop (and if ryan was another Bledsoe I would be happy as a phin fan)

With the OT depth in this draft, jake long is not a priority, and some say he is better suited at RT (and RT are not #1 overall picks)

Chris Long is a nice thought, but we have JT for another few years and they both play the same position (if JT is traded, I believe C Long is the #1 pick for the phins).

If the phins trade down, I still see them taking a QB on the first day (Flacco would be great since that is a spanish nickname (for someone who it thin)) I could see all the cuban fans going "Dale flaco, tira la bola"

Please discuss

coming from one of those cuban fans, this would be hilarious...

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

"Dale flaco, tira la bola"Please discuss

please translate

 

[book]

Looking at him a bit in a dynasty draft coming up and I'm thinking I'd rather him be in Miami with Parcell's building a team than in Atlanta with them doing so...

 

[Dolphan1987]

"Dale flaco, tira la bola"Please discuss

please translate

Go Flacco! Throw the ball!

 

[BigRed]

please translate

It means "Flacco! He good!"

Well, if the 2nd and 3rd Rd guys are just as good as Ryan, then I can see why it makes a whole lot of $en$e.

Except that they're not. That's why they're 2d/3d round guys and Ryan is a near lock for top 5.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Matt Ryan is not a top 10 player, he is definitely not worthy of the #1 pick.

 

[ooofffaaa]

I seriously hope they don't take Ryan #1 overall.

Draft Jake Long #1 overall.

Trade Taylor for draft picks.

And then take Flacoo or Brohm with one of their 2nd rd picks.

 

[Gatorman]

I got no problem with a guy like Flacco going in there to compete with Beck et al. If Miami does not trade down, the choices are:

1) Jake Long

2) Chris Long

3) Matt Ryan

The DTs make no sense b/c of what we did in FA.

McFadden Makes no sense b/c of Ronnie Brown

So there are the three guys left. This draft is loaded with OTs, and we can get one with our #2 pick. Chris long is a stud, but again, he and Jason Taylor play the same position.

If they traded taylor for *Indy's Pick* then I could see C Long with an OT in the late first, followed by a QB in the early second.

 

[Kleck]

I'm still not sure how I feel about Ryan, but I don't think you can go wrong with Jake Long. IMO, he's the safest pick in the draft; similar to how I felt about Joe Thomas last year.

 

[Interseptopus]

The Fins have enough holes in that roster where the best long term move is to take the guy most likely to be a decade long Pro Bowl cornerstone regardless of his position and regardless of pressure to go shortcut the long range plan at work. Houston took some major flak for taking Mario Williams and that teenage DL prospect back to back years, but it worked. Parcells is not the head coach, he's an executive. He is infusing the roster with 'his guys' or guys who were just signed by him and completely loyal to him. I think two assumptions are being made hereA) The Dolphins can trade down. Why some people think its so simple or likely, I have no idea. It baffles me. B) That QBs projected in the early second round will actually be there when the Dolphins come around again. Henne or Flacco might go late first round. Yes, I know they are not projected as first rounders, but everyone knows once the clock runs, the draft goes all to hell and becomes controlled chaos. All it takes is one clump of QBs to go off the board to get a few teams to hit the panic button and start a run on QBs left. Parcells will do what Parcells wants to do. It's his way and his ego is that big. I don't think the court of public opinion or the media will sway him in his choice. Don't get me wrong, he needs a "win" on this draft pick to establish his mark with this organization on the right foot, but I doubt he's worried about being crucified in the press right now. Jake Long is a road grader. Left tackles, top ones, usually are only found high in the draft and command big dollars anyway for those who are elite. My guess is this is the way the Big Tuna goes.

1) I agree about trading down. People think it's so easy to do, when in fact it's very difficult... no teams want to pay that guy #1 pick money, no one wants to give up what it takes to have the right to select anyone they want when there isn't a consensus #1 pick. I don't see them trading down unless a team wants to trade up for McFadden that badly that they're willing to trade up that far.2) Let's not confuse the NFL draft with your local fantasy football draft... a couple of QBs taken round 1 does not spark teams to make a "run" on QBs... not every team needs a QB. Honestly, let's take a look at teams that actually need a QB prospect at the very leastMiami (#1) Not worth taking a QB #1... will explain belowAtlanta (#3), will probably take RyanBaltimore (#8), So many needs right now, and what's one more year without a QBChicago (#14), This FA period left them hemorrhaging so badly, a QB will not fix it- they need to beef up at other positionsDetroit (#15), I see them helping their D more. They need to fill in the gap at CB left by BlyMinnesota (#17), They don't see QB as an immediate need and neither do I. They can complete a peice of their puzzle in this first roundTampa Bay (#20), Defense is a greater needSo you mean to say that if Atlanta and Baltimore take a QB in round 1, it'll prompt Chicago, Detroit, and Minnesota or TB to take a QB? No... that's foolish ownership and their GMs deserve what they get then. Every team goes into the draft with a plan, and unless someone is available (Bush, Rodgers, Lienart, etc) you stick by your plan. I definately see Atlanta as the ONLY team to take a QB round 1. Look for Miami and Baltimore to nab a QB in round 2.... with maybe Chicago following suit. Bottom line though, teams definately don't get caught up and hit the panic button... can you please refer to a previous draft where a QB projected round 2 was drafted round 1 because of a "QB run"???? There isn't oneNow for the topic at hand. I don't see MIA taking a QB with the #1 overall pick. With this pick you really want to hit a homerun, for sure pick. Ryan is not a home run. They'd be better off taking one of the Longs who will definately be a for sure pick. Why not trade Taylor away for a 2nd or 3rd round pick and use that to beef up your WRs... draft Chris Long #1 and grab Brohm or Flacco round 2. That would be a huge draft right from the start. Top talent in the draft followed up by a first round talent QB.

 

[Gatorman]

I agree with all the above said, I am just playing contrarian here. Perhaps Miami is making this much noise about Ryan to move Atlanta up to the 1? Then they would still have the choice of either long at the 3 + Picks.

I agree with GG and the like that the #1 is not as sweet as it used to be. However, there are still teams that are not scared of paying #1 money. The Blanks did it for Vick (I know, ancient history), and If Dallas *Could* pull off the move to make that sort of splash, JJ ego would do it and to hell with the money (same with Snyder)...

The consensus here is that if Miami does not find a dance partner in the trade dept, that they should take one of the longs and go from there. Okay, cool. Now, do we think that all the depth at OT gives us pause in taking Jake long?

(I wish Miami had 6 picks in the top 3 rounds as opposed to 4...lottery thinking here...how quickly could parcells turn this around if Dallas gave them both their #1's and next years #1 for the top spot, and some team gave us a 2 for Jason Taylor...while this is a pipe dream, only a guy LIKE parcells could pull that off)

 

[mchaps55]

I actually think Miami takes Ryan and then trades him to atlanta.........I don't think atlanta will move up to number 1 cause they honestly think Miami won't take him.

 

[Tanner9919]

Okay, I am a Dolphin fan, and while I am not a huge fan of this idea, let's talk about Ryan to the phins.

One of the things that Ryan would buy (that Cameron could have bought by taking Quinn) is time. You get a real rookie high round QB, and you expect him to have growing pains as he learns the system. Very few pundints would give the phins any crap for going out and solving their most glaring need since # 13 retired. As long as he is more Carson Palmer (or Big Ben) than David Carr this is a win for the franchise. It is very similar to why parcells took bledsoe for the patriots way back when: It solved the teams most glaring need in one fell swoop (and if ryan was another Bledsoe I would be happy as a phin fan)

With the OT depth in this draft, jake long is not a priority, and some say he is better suited at RT (and RT are not #1 overall picks)

Chris Long is a nice thought, but we have JT for another few years and they both play the same position (if JT is traded, I believe C Long is the #1 pick for the phins).

If the phins trade down, I still see them taking a QB on the first day (Flacco would be great since that is a spanish nickname (for someone who it thin)) I could see all the cuban fans going "Dale flaco, tira la bola"

Please discuss

I think they trade down and pick up some draft picks..they probably want everyone to think they will select Ryan, so teams overbid on the #1 pick..but at the end of the day, spending two high draft picks ( top 2 rounds) on QB's in back-2-back seasons isn't such a good idea.

They need so much help on both sides of the ball, that tying all their money into one guy with the #1 overall pick isn't worth the effort..

Dallas is the likely trade partner, and Miami will get two firsts and probably a 3rd for moving down.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Matt Ryan will be a franchise QB and the Dolphins should draft him, let him sit behind Josh McCown this year, and take over next year.I also think they could do the same thing with Brian Brohm.

If Matt Ryan is what everyone things he is (and that is a decent but not strong NFL QB), I would NOT take him and spend the fortune on him. I would take one of the Long's and then look CB (or best player) and possibly if a QB you love is still there grab him in the 2nd round. I am not willing to throw in the towel on Beck. It is impossible to judge the guy with the horrific play around him. I saw a guy who has a great release and throws a good ball and was inaccurate last year. I would give him another year with a more solid team around him.I also believe that you solidify the lines play first and then fill in with the stars.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Matt Ryan will be a franchise QB and the Dolphins should draft him, let him sit behind Josh McCown this year, and take over next year.I also think they could do the same thing with Brian Brohm.

If Matt Ryan is what everyone things he is (and that is a decent but not strong NFL QB), I would NOT take him and spend the fortune on him. I would take one of the Long's and then look CB (or best player) and possibly if a QB you love is still there grab him in the 2nd round. I am not willing to throw in the towel on Beck. It is impossible to judge the guy with the horrific play around him. I saw a guy who has a great release and throws a good ball and was inaccurate last year. I would give him another year with a more solid team around him.I also believe that you solidify the lines play first and then fill in with the stars.

I wanted to add that it is hard to trade down these days, but if Atlanta really wants Ryan, it is not unreasonable for Miami to get as little as a 3rd or 4th round pick to move up. Miami would then get one of the Long's.I still doubt this will happen, unless Atlanta is in love with Ryan and wants to ensure they get him. Miami would be smart to talk about Matt Ryan if they really don't want him.At the end of the day I think it will be Howie's son.

 

[JAA]

Ryan is not that good

 

[kerpow]

What exactly has Beck done, or not done, to warrant Miami to draft another QB on day 1? They were 0/9 and had lost their starting RB when he came in, did they expect their rookie QB to tun their sesaon around?

 

[Getinthemix]

I got no problem with a guy like Flacco going in there to compete with Beck et al. If Miami does not trade down, the choices are:

1) Jake Long

2) Chris Long

3) Matt Ryan

The DTs make no sense b/c of what we did in FA.

McFadden Makes no sense b/c of Ronnie Brown

So there are the three guys left. This draft is loaded with OTs, and we can get one with our #2 pick. Chris long is a stud, but again, he and Jason Taylor play the same position.

If they traded taylor for *Indy's Pick* then I could see C Long with an OT in the late first, followed by a QB in the early second.

Why in the world would San Fran want Jason Taylor?

 

[Jason Wood]

This conversation is boiling down to one thing, whether you think Matt Ryan is a franchise NFL QB.

If you do think Ryan is the goods, chances are you could justify taking him 1st overall.

If you don't think he's the goods, you would view taking him 1st overall as a colossal mistake.



It's times like these I think we need to remember that NFL GMs get drafting prospects wrong a good chunk of the time, so why any of us would think we really know better makes me

 

[mdog1967]

What exactly has Beck done, or not done, to warrant Miami to draft another QB on day 1? They were 0/9 and had lost their starting RB when he came in, did they expect their rookie QB to tun their sesaon around?

I hope Miami patches up other holes and gives Beck a full season with an O-Line that can pass block a little better. I still like Beck better out of College than Ryan.

 

[phthalatemagic]

What exactly has Beck done, or not done, to warrant Miami to draft another QB on day 1? They were 0/9 and had lost their starting RB when he came in, did they expect their rookie QB to tun their sesaon around?

Turning 27 before the season starts with a whopping 4 starts warrants Miami to draft another QB on day 1. Before he figures out what he is doing, he will be past his physical prime.

 

[Rooster]

What exactly has Beck done, or not done, to warrant Miami to draft another QB on day 1? They were 0/9 and had lost their starting RB when he came in, did they expect their rookie QB to tun their sesaon around?

Lets not forget that by the time Beck came in, the team's #1 offensive threat was gone for the season (Ronnie Brown) and the best receiver had been traded to San Diego weeks earlier. Rookie QB on a winless team that was continuing to be ravaged by injuries and had no veteran offensive threats left on the team? Not a fair environment to evaluate someone in. That said, I'd love for the Dolphins to take a project-type QB with good upside to 1) give Beck some competition and 2) challenge Beck for the starting role if he doesn't show he has what it takes in the next year or two.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I'm interested to see how the Dolphins try to solve their QB issue. FWIW I'm down on Beck. I just don't see him ever being a decent starting QB but yesterday NFL Live was reporting his stock has risen in the Dolphin camp and they are sky high on him. I feel differently and just don't think he'll ever be a solid starter let alone develop into a top producer at the QB position.

Maylock has Miami taking Ryan with the top pick with Jake Long as possible second option.

http://blogs.rotoworld.com/Fantasy_Footbal.../mock_draft.php

Mayock's Top Ten

Mock Drafts aren't usually built on original thought. They primarily look at other Mock Drafts, switch some names, teams, and needs around, and go from there. Even draftniks who spend the college season following the players tend to have similar rankings because they read each other, but don't know what NFL scouts are seeing or saying.

I've been sold on Mike Mayock's mock drafts since 2005, when he had Aaron Rodgers falling all the way to number 25 to the Packers. It's not just that he nailed a pick absolutely no one saw coming, it's that he had the confidence and research to make his own decision instead of following the masses. His pipeline to NFL teams probably doesn't hurt. He revealed his first top-ten Mock picks last week and there were a few stunners that should be taken seriously. Let's take a look ...

1. Dolphins - Matt Ryan - Everyone thinks they are going for Chris Long, which might be what Bill Parcells is hoping for. Jake Long seems like the only other possibility here.

QB is the single most important position on the field. They touch the ball nearly every play. If they underperform they hold the singular power to disrupt an entire team and on the flip side if a team has a guy who performs/produces better than average that advantage by one player has the power to boost an entire team and give them confidence. My philosophy is that if you lack a solid starter that it can kill your team and if you have the chance to land a guy who provides the best 'CHANCE' to become a top performer/producer at the QB position that getting him should be the top priority.

Best 'CHANCE' is no mystery. The scouts/GMs/Personnel Directors, etc et el have a proven track record called the NFL draft. The proffessionals who travel around the country and do in-depth tape study and meet and interview/test/prod/poke the prosepects actually have a record on file that anyone can look up to find out where they have the greatest success finding prospects at each individual position. No shocker. The top players taken, especially at QB, tend to provide a team with the best 'CHANCE' for success in landing a solid starter or top performer/producer at the QB position.

Their are people who only look at downside or risk instead of just looking at the cold hard best statistical 'CHANCE' for success of finding a solid starter/top performer-producer at the QB position. Best 'CHANCE' has shown over time that without a doubt the team who gets to choose the best prospect from a draft tends to get the best prospect. Doesn't assure success but it does assure the best 'CHANCE' to succeed in finding a solid stater/top performer-producer at the single most important position on the field, quarterback.

 

[JAA]

Parcells is not a QB rd 1 guy

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Parcells is not a QB rd 1 guy

Outside of these two guys he drafted in the first round and whom he developed and both took his teams to the Super Bowl.1979

First round, seventh pick

Phil Simms Giants Morehead State

1993

First round, firt pick

Drew Bledsoe Patriots Washington State

 

[Jason Wood]

Parcells is not a QB rd 1 guy

Parcells is not a QB rd 1 guy

Outside of these two guys he drafted in the first round and whom he developed and both took his teams to the Super Bowl.1979

First round, seventh pick

Phil Simms Giants Morehead State

1993

First round, firt pick

Drew Bledsoe Patriots Washington State

When Bill thinks a) his team needs a QB and b) there's a franchise QB available in the 1st, he takes them.

 

[garyd]

Parcells is not a QB rd 1 guy

Outside of these two guys he drafted in the first round and whom he developed and both took his teams to the Super Bowl.1979

First round, seventh pick

Phil Simms Giants Morehead State

1993

First round, firt pick

Drew Bledsoe Patriots Washington State

Umm...Parcells didn't draft Simms.....he didn't become head coach until 1983. Can't say he had much to do with his development either, especially when his first move was to bench Simms in favor of Scott Brunner. Now, I think we can say that he has gotten better with QB development over the years, but as far as drafting goes, he has only taken 1 QB in the first in 19 years as the main man.