WCOFF: FINANCIAL ISSUES AND CONCERNS (1 Viewer)

[Maroney=Speed]

Does anyone else have anything to add about WCOFF as far as getting paid goes? Will anyone play in there Contest this year? If so why?

Again this is about WCOFF.

Thanks

 

[Concept Coop]

Get a life.

 

[gandalas]

Get a life.

Just report the thread and lets get this joker off our website. He has already been warned repeatedly by admins, so just report it and let them do their job. I did.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Asking about payout is a topic we will allow here. I moved the AFFL thread a while back and people expressed a desire to keep that in the Shark Pool so I changed my stance on that. So yes, you can ask about a league paying. A very good resource for that type of thing is http://www.fantasyplayersassociation.com/

What you can't do is continually badger the board. You asked your question. Others can answer. As the http://www.fantasyplayersassociation.com/ said, WCOFF had a hangup getting everyone paid on time. It's my understanding they are handling it being open and responsive and I would expect they will get everyone paid if they haven't been already paid.

Maroney, please understand you're right on the edge of not being able to post here due to what looks like fishing in the past. The answer to your question is in the http://www.fantasyplayersassociation.com/ article.

J

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

You know how when TIME or CNN reports on a company that owns them or is part of their media group, they state it in the interests of full disclosure? If posters have an affiliation, friendship or other interest in companies they discuss, it would be nice if they were up front about that as well.

If nothing else, Joe led me to the Fantasy Players Association site and some good reads. It looks like a good place to follow these things closely.

 

[johnb]

More discussion on another message board. If you are nervous, I'd stay away. My suggestion is to do searching on your own if you are looking to join a high stakes league. It sounds like some folks have been paid so you might get mixed reviews just by asking people.

http://www.myffpc.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000131

 

[griff321]

More discussion on another message board. If you are nervous, I'd stay away. My suggestion is to do searching on your own if you are looking to join a high stakes league. It sounds like some folks have been paid so you might get mixed reviews just by asking people.

http://www.myffpc.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000131

I agree. It makes it easier to understand a fishing trip that's trying to mess with a high stakes contests reputation from a poster trying to pimp another high stakes contest that continues to maintain one of the very worst reputations.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

More discussion on another message board. If you are nervous, I'd stay away. My suggestion is to do searching on your own if you are looking to join a high stakes league. It sounds like some folks have been paid so you might get mixed reviews just by asking people.

http://www.myffpc.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000131

'baseball funds are paid in full.' Baseball ended in Oct. 2010. That's 5 months ago. So when will Football winners be paid? June or July or maybe never? I see this as a problem, maybe it's just me. But how would the Guys that run WCOFF feel if you told them I want to play in your Football Contest put I'll send the money in Dec.? This sounds like there using the money for Football to pay there Baseball winners.

 

[Joe Bryant]

More discussion on another message board. If you are nervous, I'd stay away. My suggestion is to do searching on your own if you are looking to join a high stakes league. It sounds like some folks have been paid so you might get mixed reviews just by asking people.

http://www.myffpc.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000131

'baseball funds are paid in full.' Baseball ended in Oct. 2010. That's 5 months ago. So when will Football winners be paid? June or July or maybe never? I see this as a problem, maybe it's just me. But how would the Guys that run WCOFF feel if you told them I want to play in your Football Contest put I'll send the money in Dec.? This sounds like there using the money for Football to pay there Baseball winners.

Agreed. It's a problem and they're working on it. Not sure what else you're trying to add.Which reminds me, don't you owe me $5 or something like that on the bet we made about our Footballguys contest paying out exactly like we said it would?

J

 

[Maroney=Speed]

More discussion on another message board. If you are nervous, I'd stay away. My suggestion is to do searching on your own if you are looking to join a high stakes league. It sounds like some folks have been paid so you might get mixed reviews just by asking people.

http://www.myffpc.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000131

'baseball funds are paid in full.' Baseball ended in Oct. 2010. That's 5 months ago. So when will Football winners be paid? June or July or maybe never? I see this as a problem, maybe it's just me. But how would the Guys that run WCOFF feel if you told them I want to play in your Football Contest put I'll send the money in Dec.? This sounds like there using the money for Football to pay there Baseball winners.

Agreed. It's a problem and they're working on it. Not sure what else you're trying to add.Which reminds me, don't you owe me $5 or something like that on the bet we made about our Footballguys contest paying out exactly like we said it would?

J

YEEEEEEEP, double or nothing that WCOFF paysout? I'll add that I would not play in WCOFF this year and if it's not true that AFFL has not pay it's 2009 winner like I was PM'ed I will not play there either.

 

[Joe Bryant]

More discussion on another message board. If you are nervous, I'd stay away. My suggestion is to do searching on your own if you are looking to join a high stakes league. It sounds like some folks have been paid so you might get mixed reviews just by asking people.

http://www.myffpc.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000131

'baseball funds are paid in full.' Baseball ended in Oct. 2010. That's 5 months ago. So when will Football winners be paid? June or July or maybe never? I see this as a problem, maybe it's just me. But how would the Guys that run WCOFF feel if you told them I want to play in your Football Contest put I'll send the money in Dec.? This sounds like there using the money for Football to pay there Baseball winners.

Agreed. It's a problem and they're working on it. Not sure what else you're trying to add.Which reminds me, don't you owe me $5 or something like that on the bet we made about our Footballguys contest paying out exactly like we said it would?

J

YEEEEEEEP, double or nothing that WCOFF paysout? I'll add that I would not play in WCOFF this year and if it's not true that AFFL has not pay it's 2009 winner like I was PM'ed I will not play there either.

I take my money when I win a bet so please go ahead and send the $5 as we agreed to. Send it to the Salvation Army and please post a pic of the receipt. Thanks.J

 

[Coin Flip]

Trainwreck.-------Which is too bad because this is an important subject. I appreciate knowing when payouts are slow or obsolete. I count on this board for that at times. Its unfortunate that the threads get moved and I might miss them. I am happy to see they are not necessarily being moved but managed.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Trainwreck.-------Which is too bad because this is an important subject. I appreciate knowing when payouts are slow or obsolete. I count on this board for that at times. Its unfortunate that the threads get moved and I might miss them. I am happy to see they are not necessarily being moved but managed.

Thanks. That's why I started this Topic.

 

[Phantom Knight]

Will anyone play in there Contest this year? If so why?

Our wonderful English language...There:

• in or at that place; "they have lived there for years"; "it's not there"; "that man there"

• in that matter; "I agree with you there"

Their:

• the possessive form of the third-person plural, personal pronoun

• belonging to them

 

[Dreamer]

More discussion on another message board. If you are nervous, I'd stay away. My suggestion is to do searching on your own if you are looking to join a high stakes league. It sounds like some folks have been paid so you might get mixed reviews just by asking people.

http://www.myffpc.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000131

'baseball funds are paid in full.' Baseball ended in Oct. 2010. That's 5 months ago. So when will Football winners be paid? June or July or maybe never? I see this as a problem, maybe it's just me. But how would the Guys that run WCOFF feel if you told them I want to play in your Football Contest put I'll send the money in Dec.? This sounds like there using the money for Football to pay there Baseball winners.

Agreed. It's a problem and they're working on it. Not sure what else you're trying to add.Which reminds me, don't you owe me $5 or something like that on the bet we made about our Footballguys contest paying out exactly like we said it would?

J

YEEEEEEEP, double or nothing that WCOFF paysout? I'll add that I would not play in WCOFF this year and if it's not true that AFFL has not pay it's 2009 winner like I was PM'ed I will not play there either.

I take my money when I win a bet so please go ahead and send the $5 as we agreed to. Send it to the Salvation Army and please post a pic of the receipt. Thanks.J

 

[Steed]

Trainwreck.-------Which is too bad because this is an important subject. I appreciate knowing when payouts are slow or obsolete. I count on this board for that at times. Its unfortunate that the threads get moved and I might miss them. I am happy to see they are not necessarily being moved but managed.

Thanks. That's why I started this Topic.

No doubt your intentions were altruistic. Is it mere coincidence that you failed to pay Joe just like the AFFL has failed to pay out it's winners, or is that your organization's modus operandi?

 

[Coin Flip]

Trainwreck.-------Which is too bad because this is an important subject. I appreciate knowing when payouts are slow or obsolete. I count on this board for that at times. Its unfortunate that the threads get moved and I might miss them. I am happy to see they are not necessarily being moved but managed.

Thanks. That's why I started this Topic.

I wasnt really giving you kudos on the flow of this thread (was actually hoping you wouldnt ruin it and make it get "locked") was more giving kudos to the FBG's staff.

 

[fatness]

It's nice to see someone can get their topic locked to protect them from criticism, and can then open a new topic and rule the old topic off limits.

Link

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

More discussion on another message board. If you are nervous, I'd stay away. My suggestion is to do searching on your own if you are looking to join a high stakes league. It sounds like some folks have been paid so you might get mixed reviews just by asking people.

http://www.myffpc.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000131

'baseball funds are paid in full.' Baseball ended in Oct. 2010. That's 5 months ago. So when will Football winners be paid? June or July or maybe never? I see this as a problem, maybe it's just me. But how would the Guys that run WCOFF feel if you told them I want to play in your Football Contest put I'll send the money in Dec.? This sounds like there using the money for Football to pay there Baseball winners.

Agreed. It's a problem and they're working on it. Not sure what else you're trying to add.Which reminds me, don't you owe me $5 or something like that on the bet we made about our Footballguys contest paying out exactly like we said it would?

J

YEEEEEEEP, double or nothing that WCOFF paysout? I'll add that I would not play in WCOFF this year and if it's not true that AFFL has not pay it's 2009 winner like I was PM'ed I will not play there either.

I take my money when I win a bet so please go ahead and send the $5 as we agreed to. Send it to the Salvation Army and please post a pic of the receipt. Thanks.J

Gold.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I haven't been here long, and have no vested interest in any of the contests mentioned in this thread.

But man, you are obnoxious as all hell.

 

[AngryPatriot]

I agree, I would like to call for the effective immediately banning of myself if I ever visit this thread again.

 

[Sweet Love]

I have never played in a high stakes league, but have thought about it in the past. The problem that I seem to see (which I am just guessing may be what has hamstrung WCOFF) is that the grand prize is so big (to attract people), that when they do not get enough entries, they cannot cover. With more high stakes contests and the state of the economy, there must be a ton of pressure to attract contestants, and therefore, they even goose the prizes up even more in order to get more participants.

For those of us on the boards for a while, we knew Joe and Co., wanted to enter into this market of high stakes FF for a while. But where I think they succeeded, is with their plan. (1). FBGs has a captive audience due to the success of the boards and FF products. Many of these contests are attracting people off of the streets and it becomes difficult to assess both a worst-case and best-case scenario when it comes to amount of participants in a given year. (2) I can't remember off the top of my head how much prize money the FBG contest paid out, but knowing how conservative the staff and owners are here, it would not surprise me at all that they could pay out the top prize even if just one person signed up for the contest. The second point is vital in determining whether you want to enter one of these contests. After all that has happened the past couple of years, FBG or a contest like it (say run by a rotoworld, etc) would be the only one I would consider entering. These types of companies have revenues coming in from paid subscribers, advertising, etc. and while a failed contest would hurt their bottomline, the truth is they have much more to lose (their entire business), than a stand alone contest company.

 

[Joe Bryant]

More discussion on another message board. If you are nervous, I'd stay away. My suggestion is to do searching on your own if you are looking to join a high stakes league. It sounds like some folks have been paid so you might get mixed reviews just by asking people.

http://www.myffpc.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000131

'baseball funds are paid in full.' Baseball ended in Oct. 2010. That's 5 months ago. So when will Football winners be paid? June or July or maybe never? I see this as a problem, maybe it's just me. But how would the Guys that run WCOFF feel if you told them I want to play in your Football Contest put I'll send the money in Dec.? This sounds like there using the money for Football to pay there Baseball winners.

Agreed. It's a problem and they're working on it. Not sure what else you're trying to add.Which reminds me, don't you owe me $5 or something like that on the bet we made about our Footballguys contest paying out exactly like we said it would?

J

YEEEEEEEP, double or nothing that WCOFF paysout? I'll add that I would not play in WCOFF this year and if it's not true that AFFL has not pay it's 2009 winner like I was PM'ed I will not play there either.

I take my money when I win a bet so please go ahead and send the $5 as we agreed to. Send it to the Salvation Army and please post a pic of the receipt. Thanks.J

How long are you going to delay paying the money you owe here?$5 sent to the Salvation Army. Receipt posted here.

Please let me know your plans on when you will have this paid. The season has been over for a while now.

J

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

 

[bonesman]

wasn't this topic locked?

 

[Joe Bryant]

wasn't this topic locked?

Yes it was but I opened it. As long as it's not fishing and as long as people are talking facts and not shouting speculation trying to make it sound like fact, this type of discussion can be here. I listened to the folks that said they wanted to keep the AFFL discussion in this forum so that's what we're going to try here and see how it works.J

 

[Fighting Noles]

Thanks Joe....I'd like to know if anybody here has been paid yet then.

The last announcement from the FPA was at the beginning of March & they said WCOFF was trying to pay but hadn't yet.

Does anybody have any newer info. on this? This is the biggest high stakes FF league and I know a lot of FBG Members either play or have played in it in the past.....

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Thanks Joe....I'd like to know if anybody here has been paid yet then.The last announcement from the FPA was at the beginning of March & they said WCOFF was trying to pay but hadn't yet.Does anybody have any newer info. on this? This is the biggest high stakes FF league and I know a lot of FBG Members either play or have played in it in the past.....

Some have been paid others are still waiting. I will have a detaled post soon.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

I have played high stakes fantasy football since 2004. I have played in both the WCOFF and the FFPC. The purpose of this post is to help FBG message board members who want info on the major HSFF contests.

There have been questions about WCOFF payouts this year. I will address that later in this post.

Much has changed in the HSFF world over the last few years. Fantasy Jungle never paid thier winners after the 2009 season. The AAFL failed to winners after 2008, reappeared in 2009 and started a 2010 contest while being sued by the 2009 winner for non payment. The FFOC closed after two years owing winners including a $700,000 annuity to the overall winner. Somewhere between Stan Mithios and Fanball FFOC players are still owed. Fanball is now closed, and Stan just bought/bought into another HSFF contest that was known as the the PWFFC. The point is its getting very hard to know if you can trust anybody right now.

Its hard to get accurate info from the message boards as the FFOC and FJ messageboards are no more. The WCOFF message board has sections veiwable to members only, and this is where the complaining is going on. The FFPC has threads on all of these things on thier boards, they are admititly pro FFPC, but there is some info on most of these contests.

So, how do you decide what event(s) to play in:

The fist suggestion I would make is to only consider an event with a track record. That means there are only four the WCOFF, the NFFC, the FFPC and I will include the FBG contest because of the association with the FFPC.

Join the Fantasy Players Assoc. The FPA was formed a year ago to be the players watchdog. Scott Adkins is the President and a FBG message board member. The FPA is a place where players can help players and share what they know.

Ask the owners of the sites you subscribe to. Joe and David are not going to come on the boards and post where they think you should play but if you email or PM them they will give you an honest opinion, as will Lenny with Draftsharks or Lou with BFD. These guys are not only high stakes players, but have thier ear to the ground with what's happening in the HSFF world.

I will give you my thoughts on these contests:

The NFFC: I have never played in the NFFC, mainly because they draft Labor Day weekend and in sales thats too big a time for me to get away. While I have no first hand knowlege of the NFFC, I have observed and know several NFFC players. Last year was rough for The NFFC, they were purchased by Fanball, who had thier own backend provider, there were some glitches but they made it through the year, only to have Liberty media announce they were shutting Fanball down. As far as I know all of the NFFC winners have been paid. The NFFC was reacquired by the original owner who has partnered with STATS the original backend provider. Everything I have read about Greg at the NFFC has been positive, I wouldn't have second thoughts about playing in the NFFC.

The WCOFF: The WCOFF started in 2002 and was sold prior to the start of the 2007 season. Payouts have taken longer every year under the new ownership. As of today (April 6th) many players are still owed money, by comparision the FFPC mailed league winners checks on Dec 16th. The 2010 Baseball winner got paid less than a week before the 2011 contest started despite requesting his money in December. There are rumors the 300K football winner has only been paid half his winnings (I believe this to be true)

Ownership recently deleted a 21 page thread of players venting and asking when they would get thier money. Dustin posted in the thread a few times. Every post was basicly the samething, saying they had problems with the procedures they use, they have corrected them and hope to be caught up shortly. He would leave his cell number and email and invite you to contact him. Inspite of these posts they repetedly missed thier own self inposed deadlines for paying. Some people said they had talked to Dustin and generally said they felt godd about being paid sooon after that. Others complained he wouldn't return emails or phone messages. Everything there smells of a serious cash flow problem to me.

The customer service is epicly bad. You don't get direct answers to direct questions, if you get an answer at all. I feel much more like a "mark" the a customer.

That said more players appear to be getting paid daily. There is also a rumor about an association with a major sponsor coming that may restore help to player confidence in the current ownership.

I am currently owed money by the WCOFF, I sent in my paperwork requesting a payout of all but $250 of what I'm owed. A month later I can't even get an answer on when I will be paid. I still plan on playing a couple of $125 satellites next year, but do so fully knowing if I win I may never get paid and if I do, it will probably be much later than it shoud and knowing they just don't care about thier customes at all. I would not recommend the WCOFF to anyone.

The FFPC:

I will not appologize for the fact that I am a FFPC homer. I have played in the FFPC since day one. They are the gold standard for customer support. They pay faster than anyone. The WCOFF and FFPC regular season and league playoffs both ended about the first week in December. FFPC winners had thier checks a couple of weeks later. WCOFF winners are just getting thiers. I would aslo have no reservations with playing in the FBG league due to the association with the FFPC and David and Joe's reputation.

Good luck to all in whatever league you chose.

 

[beachbum]

Thanks for the knowledge

 

[Fighting Noles]

Appreciate the response Yellow Line.....FWIW I played in the NFFC from 2007-2009 (when GREG ran it) & never had any problems. I did not play last year when they became affiliated with a larger company - but that was just my choice.

They always paid me promptly in the past & I am glad to see him running things again there.

I hope the FPA stays on top of these issues, as it would be nice to have a site to go to in order to know where each contest stands from the eyes of the players.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Here is a post from the FPA on the WCOFF boards in a thread visable only to members.

All winners must be paid out before the FPA will support any player depositing funds for 2011. In past conversation, Dustin has stated that the WCOFF books will not be opened to the FPA. That's fine. If that is the stance, then the players are only left with late or non payment to date and unfortunately left to assume what is true and what isn't. An example of this would be the assumption as others have pointed out, that the baseball champion for 2010 was not paid until after baseball money for 2011 came in.

Truly speaking, there is only one way to mis-manage a contest and that is, not to have enough funds to pay prize winners. Not one time has there been a confirmation or denial that the Grand Prize winner has been paid. Confirming this and other concerns would set players minds at ease and would reduce player suspicions.

For that reason, it is the stance of the FPA that deposits for Football 2011 should never have been accepted until all 2010 requests for payment are paid. The FPA cannot be supportive of the WCOFF any other way, otherwise what is really being supported is the possibility and suspicion that this dilemma is simply passed on to next year's winning players to deal with.

The FPA has reached out to Dustin this morning for more information as to the current happenings and what is in store for the future players of the WCOFF. We can only hope that these questions and concerns are treated with more seriousness and resolved quickly.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Thanks Joe for opening this Topic. Players need to know what Contests are paying and what Contest are having "Problems" paying.

'There is also a rumor about an association with a major sponsor coming that may restore play confidence in the current ownership.'

I would not believe this for a second, Companies always say this to kill time before the doors are "Closed".

Thanks again Joe

 

[spodog]

Yet another reminder of why I don't even bother with these so-called "professionally run" hi stakes contests.

The WCOFF and all these other hi stakes leagues need to take some advice from our friend Jerry and learn how to HOLD the reservation:

How to hold a car reservation

It seems that all of you know how to take your participants money just fine, you just haven't figured out how to hold your participants money. Which really is the most important part of conducting a contest, right?

The double speak excuses disgust me as well. An error on our part processing the award payouts. Gimme a break. Do you think everyone in these contests is really that stupid?

 

[beachbum]

Wow, it sounds like WCOFF is really screwing the pooch. Not sure if FBG wants me to copy the stuff I've read from the national contests' message boards, so I'll just advise anybody who's interested to listen to the most recent BFD podcast (by Lou Tranquilli) on BlogTalkRadio. He's someone who has stood up for WCOFF in the past, so when he jumps ship and offers that harsh of a critique you know something bad is going on.

Sounds to me like FFPC, NFFC and FBGUYS are the last high-stakes contests left to trust.

 

[Dave Gerczak - FFPC]

Yet another reminder of why I don't even bother with these so-called "professionally run" hi stakes contests.

The WCOFF and all these other hi stakes leagues need to take some advice from our friend Jerry and learn how to HOLD the reservation:

How to hold a car reservation

It seems that all of you know how to take your participants money just fine, you just haven't figured out how to hold your participants money. Which really is the most important part of conducting a contest, right?

The double speak excuses disgust me as well. An error on our part processing the award payouts. Gimme a break. Do you think everyone in these contests is really that stupid?

With all due respect, please do not lump the FFPC in with what some of these other high stakes contests do and/or have done. The whole reason we started a high stakes contest in 2008 was in response for this type of poor and deceptive business practices. Since day one in March of 2008, the FFPC has always escrowed our funds. Starting in 2010, The FootballGuys Players Championship did the same and will always do so going forward. Joe Bryant and David Dodds believe in protecting players' interests as much as the FFPC does. We send them to our attorney before the season and he holds them in escrow until after the season. We have always paid our league winners before the end of December and always paid championship round winners by mid-January of January, and generally closer to the beginning.

We run a clean contest with happy customers. Unfortunately for us, it is in an industry that has a well-deserved slimy reputation and it isn't getting any better right now either.

 

[Cassius]

Thanks Joe for opening this Topic. Players need to know what Contests are paying and what Contest are having "Problems" paying.'There is also a rumor about an association with a major sponsor coming that may restore play confidence in the current ownership.'I would not believe this for a second, Companies always say this to kill time before the doors are "Closed".Thanks again Joe

How we going with Joe's $5?

 

[Fullback Fro]

Yet another reminder of why I don't even bother with these so-called "professionally run" hi stakes contests.

The WCOFF and all these other hi stakes leagues need to take some advice from our friend Jerry and learn how to HOLD the reservation:

How to hold a car reservation

It seems that all of you know how to take your participants money just fine, you just haven't figured out how to hold your participants money. Which really is the most important part of conducting a contest, right?

The double speak excuses disgust me as well. An error on our part processing the award payouts. Gimme a break. Do you think everyone in these contests is really that stupid?

With all due respect, please do not lump the FFPC in with what some of these other high stakes contests do and/or have done. The whole reason we started a high stakes contest in 2008 was in response for this type of poor and deceptive business practices. Since day one in March of 2008, the FFPC has always escrowed our funds. Starting in 2010, The FootballGuys Players Championship did the same and will always do so going forward. Joe Bryant and David Dodds believe in protecting players' interests as much as the FFPC does. We send them to our attorney before the season and he holds them in escrow until after the season. We have always paid our league winners before the end of December and always paid championship round winners by mid-January of January, and generally closer to the beginning.

We run a clean contest with happy customers. Unfortunately for us, it is in an industry that has a well-deserved slimy reputation and it isn't getting any better right now either.

:manlove:

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Many thanks for allowing this thread to start, and then to continue. I've played in WCOFF for a few years now. I had no idea they were having any issues until I saw this link, and then chased down the extra info, including logging into to the WCOFF message board. (The info by Yellow Line is spot on, with respect to WCOFF. I don't follow other high-stakes leagues so I can't comment on them.) We were on the fence about playing in WCOFF again this year, and this fiasco solidified our decision not to play.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Thanks Joe for opening this Topic. Players need to know what Contests are paying and what Contest are having "Problems" paying.'There is also a rumor about an association with a major sponsor coming that may restore play confidence in the current ownership.'I would not believe this for a second, Companies always say this to kill time before the doors are "Closed".Thanks again Joe

How we going with Joe's $5?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thanks Joe for opening this Topic. Players need to know what Contests are paying and what Contest are having "Problems" paying.'There is also a rumor about an association with a major sponsor coming that may restore play confidence in the current ownership.'I would not believe this for a second, Companies always say this to kill time before the doors are "Closed".Thanks again Joe

How we going with Joe's $5?

Wondering that too.J

 

[gianmarco]

Thanks Joe for opening this Topic. Players need to know what Contests are paying and what Contest are having "Problems" paying.'There is also a rumor about an association with a major sponsor coming that may restore play confidence in the current ownership.'I would not believe this for a second, Companies always say this to kill time before the doors are "Closed".Thanks again Joe

How we going with Joe's $5?

Wondering that too.J

That would be the best banning ever. Banned for not paying up on a $5 bet.

 

[Fullback Fro]

I've been in WCOFF since the inaugural year and have been one of their biggest proponents but I am seriously considering stepping down this year. This whole situation makes me sad and angry. WCOFF was the best.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

'$5 sent to the Salvation Army.'

$5 was giving to Salvation Army. Plus I throw in $25.00 more. I hope we can get this Topic back on track,now.

Thanks

 

[Joe Bryant]

'$5 sent to the Salvation Army.' $5 was giving to Salvation Army. Plus I throw in $25.00 more. I hope we can get this Topic back on track,now.Thanks

Post a pic of the receipt. TIA.J

 

[Dreamer]

'$5 sent to the Salvation Army.' $5 was giving to Salvation Army. Plus I throw in $25.00 more. I hope we can get this Topic back on track,now.Thanks

 

[buck naked]

After my partner and I won our WCOFF league, we were owed nearly $6,000. I noticed that the "vocal" on the WCOFF Message Board were getting paid, and others were not. So I played bad cop and got a little vocal about WCOFF's lies and failures to pay on the MB. We received 90% of what we were owed. Honestly, I'm grateful we received even that.

I have played in WCOFF, NFFC and FFPC. I am done with WCOFF. That situation has train wreck written ALL over it. The FFPC is great. I also expect NFFC to be great again this year now that Fanball is gone, Greg Ambrosius/Tom kessenich are back running the show, and STATS is involved.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

'$5 sent to the Salvation Army.' $5 was giving to Salvation Army. Plus I throw in $25.00 more. I hope we can get this Topic back on track,now.Thanks

Post a pic of the receipt. TIA.J

 

[gianmarco]

'$5 sent to the Salvation Army.' $5 was giving to Salvation Army. Plus I throw in $25.00 more. I hope we can get this Topic back on track,now.Thanks

Post a pic of the receipt. TIA.J

 

[fatness]

I take my money when I win a bet so please go ahead and send the $5 as we agreed to. Send it to the Salvation Army and please post a pic of the receipt. Thanks.J

Orly Taitz has a copy of the receipt.