We are Never Ever Ever Getting Back Together (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

Ok, so you're One and Done and so much for that #1 seed, that total points championship, that 6-0 start and all that other stuff that means absolutely nothing come Sunday when you have NO action on the line.

So who's to blame? It can't be you, right? After all, you did your homework! You read the FBG boards. You argued convincingly and absolutely why this was DMAC's year, why Donald Brown was the "sneaky" RB2, why Julio was going to dethrone Calvin (and forget that AJ Green guy cause everyone knows Julio is in the better situation). You were smart. You ignored those old WRs like Reggie Wayne and AJ. You let someone else take on that injury risk extrordinaire Adrian Peterson.

There is blame to be cast here, people so let's get to it:

Who's your list of players you will never (ever ever) draft again?

Here's Mine: VERNON DAVIS

I just don't have the stomach to accomodate things that have no logical explanation. I live in a much neater and sorted black-and-white world. I need things wrapped up nicely and put in their box. Regardless of whether its a Rolex or rubbish, I need to know what I've got. I don't have that with my fake relationship with Vernon Davis and so...it's over. He says he'll show up...but he doesn't. Then he drops in unannounced, when I least expect it, and wants to do something for me. I don't operate like that Vern. You gotta go.

 

[need2know]

dmc. 2 years in a row of owning the turd. never again. prob never draft sjax either...but I could see a scenario if sjax fell into the mid rounds i would prob still get him

 

[biju]

Darren McFadden

I've been a huge believer in his skillset since he entered the league but he's too injury prone and not on a team he can benefit from. He's burned me three separate times and I didn't draft him the one year he was "good". Never again anywhere near the top of my draft where I would depend on him for weekly production.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Vernon Davis...although I don't hate him because I was able to pawn him for Leshoure.

Larry Fitz....NEVER NEVER NEVER again!

Brandon Lloyd....disappeared most of the season and blows up on my bench when I could have used him.

Darren McFadden....though reality is I'll come back for more punishment, you know that I will.

 

[zandbak]

Antonio Gates.

 

[Shutout]

Vernon Davis...although I don't hate him because I was able to pawn him for Leshoure.Larry Fitz....NEVER NEVER NEVER again!Brandon Lloyd....disappeared most of the season and blows up on my bench when I could have used him.Darren McFadden....though reality is I'll come back for more punishment, you know that I will.

LOL..sensing a trend on DMAC.I'd still draft Fitz, assuming he gets a QB (and a line). Not his fault. Hard to do much when your carousel of middle school QBs complete 40% of their passes. I'd give him another shot. With you on Vernon (he was my main pick for the year). Man, that was depressing.

 

[jim k]

I will not be taking McFadden, Murray or Mathews in the first 25 picks next year.

 

[rubrink]

I said that about Vincent Jackson last year....

 

[steelerfan1]

rivers

gates

austin

 

[solorca]

I said that about Vincent Jackson last year....

I still say it about Vincent jackson. He's on my permanent list.Vernon Davis is on my list as long as he remains in San Fransisco.DMC may be a guy I would draft again if he slips really far, but I'll probably pass.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Murray. So brittle.

 

[Braktastic]

Rashard Jennings

Even if it's just a waiver wire add... no way. The dude sucks.

 

[Sabertooth]

Miles Austin. Guy is made of glass.

 

[Da Guru]

Starting years ago I had much more success when I think of FF like a business. Never love a player too much that you draft him way too high, never hate a player too much that you do not draft him when he is a value pick.

 

[packersfan]

As we sit here today, I'd be willing to gamble on Murray, Mathews and McFadden after the third round next season assuming they fell that far. If you can pair them with a strong RB1 that minimizes the risk involved. Then it's all about upside. If they reach their potential you just got a second RB1; if they don't your team shouldn't suffer greatly since you'll still have the foundation piece at RB who you drafted earlier.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Gates....no explanation

Austin...too inconsistent

Decker....bench him he does good, play him he disappears

Any rb on bad team...all carries or not they will suck

Sjax cause you played possum all year till I traded him then its 20 touches a game with no time share

 

[ponchsox]

Steven Jackson- although I keep getting sucked into him every year when he falls a round thinking this will be the year

Bradshaw- just a total headache and you almost have to flex the Giants backup RB to be safe

Steve Smith- dude doesn't show up for weeks and when you bench him he finally has a good game

 

[mad_dog]

Miles Austin. Guy is made of glass.

This. Always has the hammy issue.

 

[cracKer]

Rashard JenningsEven if it's just a waiver wire add... no way. The dude sucks.

Alex Green, William "HoF" Powell and all the other crappy backup runners

 

[packersfan]

William "HoF" Powell and all the other crappy backup runners

The Powell thing baffled me. He was a fourth-string RB who didn't look all that good behind a terrible offensive line and very suspect QBs and people thought he was going to produce when both Wells and Williams stunk? Never made any sense to me.

 

[Nucker101]

My list is a little more based on players that I will very likely not own next year based on their ADP/Value.

Matt Ryan: I was all in on this guy in my leagues and he's been solid but I doubt he has as easy of a schedule next year and Roddy and Gonzo will be a year older.

Ryan Mathews: I have a feeling that once Norv Turner is fired that there will by a pre-season hype train yet again, I'm not even considering him unless he slips past the first 2 or 3 rounds. The fumble issue has him plodding like Jackie Battle.

Vernon Davis: Just as talented as Gronk/Graham/Hernandez IMO but doesn't get the targets and Harbaugh clearly doesn't game plan the passing game around him. I'd love to see what he could do on a team like Green Bay.

Antonio Gates: Was expecting a big bounceback season, and got suckered in by the "best shape of his life" and "hasn't felt this good in years" pre-season blurbs. Guy has lost 2 or 3 steps and should consider retiring, if he returns for another season I won't even consider him in the late rounds. Rivers has also lost his ability to throw a good deep ball.

Shonn Greene: I was expecting the Jets to go back to their ground and pound style offense and force feed Greene the ball but he's clearly a mediocre back and their O-line is now what it used to be plus they have no passing game at all. As a free agent next year, it wouldn't surprise me if this is the last season that Greene will be fantasy relevant.

Also, I really think that O-Line needs to be paid much more attention to when projecting/ranking players and I'm definitely going to ignore the pre-season "working hard" and "great shape" stuff(easier said than done during draft/hype season )

 

[just_want_2_win]

My list is a little more based on players that I will very likely not own next year based on their ADP/Value.Matt Ryan: I was all in on this guy in my leagues and he's been solid but I doubt he has as easy of a schedule next year and Roddy and Gonzo will be a year older.Ryan Mathews: I have a feeling that once Norv Turner is fired that there will by a pre-season hype train yet again, I'm not even considering him unless he slips past the first 2 or 3 rounds. The fumble issue has him plodding like Jackie Battle. Vernon Davis: Just as talented as Gronk/Graham/Hernandez IMO but doesn't get the targets and Harbaugh clearly doesn't game plan the passing game around him. I'd love to see what he could do on a team like Green Bay.Antonio Gates: Was expecting a big bounceback season, and got suckered in by the "best shape of his life" and "hasn't felt this good in years" pre-season blurbs. Guy has lost 2 or 3 steps and should consider retiring, if he returns for another season I won't even consider him in the late rounds. Rivers has also lost his ability to throw a good deep ball.Shonn Greene: I was expecting the Jets to go back to their ground and pound style offense and force feed Greene the ball but he's clearly a mediocre back and their O-line is now what it used to be plus they have no passing game at all. As a free agent next year, it wouldn't surprise me if this is the last season that Greene will be fantasy relevant.Also, I really think that O-Line needs to be paid much more attention to when projecting/ranking players and I'm definitely going to ignore the pre-season "working hard" and "great shape" stuff(easier said than done during draft/hype season )

Carolina RBs.Jets players period.Donald BrownMendenhall

 

[Slapdash]

Putting these annoying song lyrics in a thread title should be banable.

 

[Warhogs]

A lot of these guys on one of my zealots dynasty squads (Rivers, McFadden, Austin). I'll throw out a couple of other names on that team that cause heart ache. Kenny Britt and Jermichael Finley.

 

[CamelGod]

Round 1: McFadden

Round 2: Fitzgerald

Round 3: F. Jackson

Round 5: Austin

All of these.

 

[General Tso]

1. Aaron Rodgers - grossly over-rated and plays for a coach who hates to throw the ball. And he doesn't run the ball anymore because he's no longer hungry. No thanks. Not even with a discount double take. I can get any old QB from the waiver wire that goes 6 straight games with under 290 yards passing and weeks 12-14 with an average of less than 1 TD pass per game.

2. Jordy Nelson - Without a doubt the biggest piece of glass in the entire NFL. He was injured twice this season in the opening minutes of a game and never returned, both to hamstring injuries, and one of those injuries occurred when he wasn't even touched!!! And only 4 games with a TD?? Once again, I can get that from the Free Agent scrap heep.

3. Jermichael Finley - The only year he wasn't a bust was the year I didn't have him. So I'm sure he'll break out next season.

 

[Warhogs]

A lot of these guys on one of my zealots dynasty squads (Rivers, McFadden, Austin). I'll throw out a couple of other names on that team that cause heart ache. Kenny Britt and Jermichael Finley.

Oh, and how did I manage to forget Chris Johnson?

 

[donkshow]

I will not draft McFadden or Mathews with the intentions of them being my RB1. If they slip into good value in Round 3/RB2 range, it'll be tough to pass. I'll still try to look elsewhere though.

Gates, he's fat and slow now. I'm done with him forever.

 

[packersfan]

Have to say that most of the players being listed so far are ones I would love to grab as potential value picks next year.

 

[Shutout]

Putting these annoying song lyrics in a thread title should be banable.

LOL. Admit it, it's in your head now.

 

[Shutout]

Really surprised it took as long as it did to get Finley and Chris Johnson into the discussion.

How about Big Ben or bradford or flacco? Nobody mentioned them yet and Ben, like DMAC always misses time and ends up being a perpetual questionable tag. I've never owned him but that would be pretty frustrating to me. The other two just seem about as erratic as they come.

How about amendola. Another guy that sucks you right in and then fractures a random body part.

 

[packersfan]

I think Ben is similar to what Vick used to be - if you draft him just get a good backup. You might have to pick your QB2 earlier than you'd like to cover yourself but when healthy Roethlisberger has been a QB1 this season in most scoring formats. I'd have no problems pursuing Ben next season. I just would be sure to get a strong QB2 for when Ben suffers another injury.

 

[Shutout]

I think Ben is similar to what Vick used to be - if you draft him just get a good backup. You might have to pick your QB2 earlier than you'd like to cover yourself but when healthy Roethlisberger has been a QB1 this season in most scoring formats. I'd have no problems pursuing Ben next season. I just would be sure to get a strong QB2 for when Ben suffers another injury.

Yeah, I guess you're right. Like I said, I have never owned him but from the outside, it looks frustrating. But looking at the production when he plays, I'd say I'd be willing to take him again if I owned him.

 

[Slapdash]

Putting these annoying song lyrics in a thread title should be banable.

LOL. Admit it, it's in your head now.

Yes, and it makes me want to stab you with a pair of scissors.

 

[Chachi]

The Chachinator wants no part of Ryan Mathews.

 

[wlwiles]

Hakeem Nicks. I lost track of how many times he'd pop up on the injury report with a bruised knee/sprained toe/pulled leg muscle/swelling on the ankle from a Wednesday practice. Dude is never healthy

 

[BobbyLayne]

Have to say that most of the players being listed so far are ones I would love to grab as potential value picks next year.

Exactly what I was thinking. I truly appreciate these threads to gauge who will fall.FF disappointment is not personal, but amazingly many guys treat as such.

 

[Judge Smails]

Have to say that most of the players being listed so far are ones I would love to grab as potential value picks next year.

this. My only rule is don't get burned with the first two picks. I took Calvin at 1.5 and Marshawn in the 2nd round and it was a solid base for my team all year. After that, it's all about value. Head cases? I'll take my chances with a Dez Bryant and Kenny Britt for their upside, thank you very much? Cam? If he slips are you kidding me? On my roster. Scoring insane points. This year more than any there have been so many let downs. Rodgers, Brees, Vick, Newton for the first half, Ryan for the 2nd half, DMC, McCoy, Mathews, CJK2 - almost more letdowns than surprises. Somebody has to get drafted in the first two rounds..

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Putting these annoying song lyrics in a thread title should be banable.

LOL. Admit it, it's in your head now.

Yes, and it makes me want to stab you with a pair of scissors.

I hear you. Like getting rickrolled except to another awful preteen girly girl song. Shoot me. ####

 

[notdarkyet]

More about sticking with my gut and not wavering from what I know than any particular player that I would refuse to draft.

DMC - Dude is glass, I knew when I drafted him for the first time this year, but I ignored myself. However, if he falls far enough, he may represent value.

QB early - Ive always been a wait and grab a QB mid rounds guy, but rolled with Rodgers early this year. Not a bust, and I still made the playoffs, just feel like my rosters in my normal strategy leagues have worked better.

 

[snitwitch]

Eddie George

 

[voiceofunreason]

Vernon Davis...although I don't hate him because I was able to pawn him for Leshoure.Larry Fitz....NEVER NEVER NEVER again!Brandon Lloyd....disappeared most of the season and blows up on my bench when I could have used him.Darren McFadden....though reality is I'll come back for more punishment, you know that I will.

LOL..sensing a trend on DMAC.I'd still draft Fitz, assuming he gets a QB (and a line). Not his fault. Hard to do much when your carousel of middle school QBs complete 40% of their passes. I'd give him another shot. With you on Vernon (he was my main pick for the year). Man, that was depressing.

Vernon Davis killed me the start of last year and I swore I'd never take him again.I can't help but come back for some more DMC if he slips

 

[donkshow]

I think Ben is similar to what Vick used to be - if you draft him just get a good backup. You might have to pick your QB2 earlier than you'd like to cover yourself but when healthy Roethlisberger has been a QB1 this season in most scoring formats. I'd have no problems pursuing Ben next season. I just would be sure to get a strong QB2 for when Ben suffers another injury.

I own Ben this year and paired him with Luck.Definitely happy with that combo and will look for a similar QB tandem next year.

 

[Shutout]

Putting these annoying song lyrics in a thread title should be banable.

LOL. Admit it, it's in your head now.

Yes, and it makes me want to stab you with a pair of scissors.

Not sure if serious....

 

[Shutout]

Have to say that most of the players being listed so far are ones I would love to grab as potential value picks next year.

this. My only rule is don't get burned with the first two picks. I took Calvin at 1.5 and Marshawn in the 2nd round and it was a solid base for my team all year. After that, it's all about value. Head cases? I'll take my chances with a Dez Bryant and Kenny Britt for their upside, thank you very much? Cam? If he slips are you kidding me? On my roster. Scoring insane points. This year more than any there have been so many let downs. Rodgers, Brees, Vick, Newton for the first half, Ryan for the 2nd half, DMC, McCoy, Mathews, CJK2 - almost more letdowns than surprises. Somebody has to get drafted in the first two rounds..

You guys are missing the point. You'll never grab them as value picks because someone, somewhere will still draft them highly. This thread is more about identifying the guys that the consensus more knowledgeable owners have identified as never again. We all know there are people out there that will chase the big names. But we, here, can mark some guys off the list that aren't worth it anymore. Guys with just too much history and, thus,....never again. I know... You guys will say " I'll take DMAC and get value." The rest of us will just point you back to the same threads people have been debating for several seasons. You guys are swinging for the fences. But that's the downside. You swing for DMAC and you get...well...DMAC. Some of us are just saying "go ahead...take him..and Finley and Vernon and all those others. We will sleep better at night with our Antonio browns and doug martins. It's preference but surely even you guys have some guys in mind that you are just fed up with.

 

[Clorox]

I think Ben is similar to what Vick used to be - if you draft him just get a good backup. You might have to pick your QB2 earlier than you'd like to cover yourself but when healthy Roethlisberger has been a QB1 this season in most scoring formats. I'd have no problems pursuing Ben next season. I just would be sure to get a strong QB2 for when Ben suffers another injury.

I own Ben this year and paired him with Luck.Definitely happy with that combo and will look for a similar QB tandem next year.

Ben has been rock solid consistent this year. No clunkers other than the KC game and potential always exists for a 20+ point game. As for this thread, Gates, Mathews, Flacco, any TE in round 2, and any K before the last round (e.g., Crosby).

 

[MNTom]

Gates....no explanation

Austin...too inconsistent

Decker....bench him he does good, play him he disappears

Any rb on bad team...all carries or not they will suck

Sjax cause you played possum all year till I traded him then its 20 touches a game with no time share

Trent R. get traded to a good team or does he suck?

 

[Bootleg_Ninja73]

This year it would have to be Jordy Nelson. He cost me a playoff spot!

Other notable guys from years past are:

Tony Romo - 2011 Week 16 - 0 Point = Championship Game Loss

Demarco Murray - 2011 Week 14 - 2 Points = Early Playoff Exit

Kurt Warner - 2008 Week 16 - 1 Point = Championship Game Loss... Yes I'm still bitter!

 

[Dentist]

other than Arian Foster, AP, peyton manning and maybe Calvin Johnson, are there any players that haven't totally boned someone a few weeks this season?

There really aren't very many players that I get excited about anymore... moreso just ones i tolerate.

i agree though that you just have to treat it like a business.. i drafted plenty of players i don't have any love for personally in good draft spots and some of them did rather well:

Namely:

Percy Harvin - i don't really like him as a player, but until he got hurt he was money for me

Dez Bryant - he's frustrating, but as late as i got him, i got a great deal overall.

ADP - I didn't want to be the guy who took him... but he fell so far that I rolled the dice... it worked BIG time

RG3 - i usually don't draft black quarterbacks and almost never rookies... but i took the guy in the 8th round and it's been brilliant

Unfortunately the team i just described above is going to get annihilated this weekend after a MONSTER regular season because it's a distinct possibility to that 3 of those 4 players won't play, or are going to play severely beaten up.

 

[biju]

Putting these annoying song lyrics in a thread title should be banable.

LOL. Admit it, it's in your head now.

Yes, and it makes me want to stab you with a pair of scissors.

Not sure if serious....

So apparently there are advantages to being old because I have zero idea what you guys are talking about. Although with mention of being banned, stabbed with scissors, or getting anything stuck in my head I'm far enough removed from senility to not click on any links to youtube going forward in this thread.