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NinerFan49
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If you hope Alex Smith continues to remain injured... depriving the team of its best QB, you're the worst kind of Niner fan... One who knows so little about the team's many problems and is so ignorant about his ignorance that he blames everything on Smith... Because so many other supremely ignorant fans do the same thing.And now you're also hoping that another Niner player, Carr, will get hurt? That's what you call being a fan? I can understand hoping that he gets dropped to #3 QB... but hoping that he gets injured?You're like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum... Grow up. If you haven't taken the time to be informed about what the Niners strengths and weaknesses are, you'll only succeed in sounding like a fool when you spout ignorant nonsense. And you shouldn't be surprised when others call you on it.Dr. Awesome said:
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NinerFan49
Footballguy
I'm with you 100%. Smith has not yet shown that he might turn out to be a great QB. But he has shown this season that he is already an average starting caliber QB... who has struggled because of a poor OL, poor play by the WRs, and poor offensive playcalling.delusional said:
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NinerFan49
Footballguy
You are wrong about Smith being "awful." He's not great, but he's at least average. The reason he has struggled this season is because of the following problems:1) his OL has featured two rookie starters and a guard filling in at center, and even the team's best offensive lineman, Joe Staley has not played well this season. I dare anyone to provide some proof that the Niners' OL has played well over the course of this season.2) Crabtree's holdout last season and his refusal to play during this season's preseason games made it hard for him and Smith to have good chemistry3) Crabtree's performance, at this point in his career, is, at best, average. And he is the Niners' best WR... Meaning the WR corps as a whole is below average4) Under former OC Jimmy Raye, the offensive playcalling was awful... to the point that in the Chiefs game, opposing players were correctly calling out what play the Niners were about to run as soon as they saw the alignment5) New OC Mike Johnson has slowly been improving the offensive system that Raye installed... and offensive playcalling has slowly improved... but that is still not an area of strength.You do know all of those things. Right?
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NinerFan49
Footballguy
Yes, they did. Sigh...
road warrior
Footballguy
If the answer is David Carr, do you really want to know the question?
FavreCo
Footballguy
The question is, 'what does a steaming pile of #### look like?
Insein
Footballguy
SF 49ers 2010
NinerFan49
Footballguy
Nope.Playoffs are no longer an option for me Niners. As former Colts' coach Jim Mora once put it: "Playoffs?" (The rest of his classic and immortal rant can be found here: http://jimmoraplayoffs.com/)
I'd be fine with the team losing all its remaining games this season so they can get good draft position next season... I mean... at some point, all the talented players me Niners have been accumulating as their reward for sucking ever since the Yorks took over will have to translate into a winning season...
Right?
Right?
(sound of crickets chirping...)
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Not as long as you continue to get your wish that Alex Smith continues to get his chance.
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I've been thinking about this. And if the San Diego Chargers can tout their 2-5 record - only one more win than the Niners have - and the fact that the Chargers got destroyed by the Raiders, and still predict making the playoffs ...
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...4797&st=150
... then Niners' fans should be allowed to enjoy a little delusion about our team.
NinerFan49
Footballguy
As long as he's the best QB on the roster, he should start. And from what I've seen, he is. The OL has played very poorly on passing plays this season (and not very well on running plays either)... and the play of the WRs has also been poor... as has the offensive playcalling...
Ignoramuses can pretend that those three factors should have no effect on how the QB performs, but that doesn't mean they're right.
Insein
Footballguy
Certainly. You both can be delusional. Just like I'll be dreaming of a Super Bowl Parade in Philly this year. Ain't gonna happen but we can all dream.
No one is saying playcalling, OL, and WR don't impact a QB's performance.
People are saying that Alex Smith sucks, and is making his OL, playcalling, and WR look even worse.
Whereas you are saying that Alex Smith is average and that the entire team sucks except for Alex Smith. Interceptions? Not Alex Smith's fault. Fumbles? Nope, that's not on Smith, either. Inaccuracy? Nope, not Smith's fault - he's average. So is Ryan Fitzpatrick the QB of the year in your world?
Oh, and as a side note, you're right. He is the best QB on the starting roster right now - because the coaching and management refused to bring in competition and risk harming his fragile self esteem. Most fans (other than you) don't want him to be the best QB on the roster again in 2011.
NinerFan49
Footballguy
I'll gladly concede the point that the poor play by the WRs is so closely related to what the QB does that it's hard to figure out who to assign the blame to. Certainly, Alex has made a lot of poor throws. But he has also made a lot of good throws. And he has thrown at least one INT this season because a WR ran the wrong route and at least one other because a WR batted the ball in the air instead of catching it. So I stand by my claim: Crabtree is at best an average WR at this point in his career and the entire Niner WR corps is below average. If you disagree, please name name 15 NFL teams whose WRs are worse than that of the Niners. Or 12 even.
And Alex is most definitely NOT responsible for the OL playing poorly or for the bad offensive play calling. If you think he is, please explain how.
In my opinion, Alex Smith's play this season has shown that he is at least an average starting NFL QB (perhaps not much better than that, but definitely not much worse) on a team with so many problems on offense that only a HOF-caliber QB might be effective...
I don't know where you get the idea that I want Smith to be the best QB on the roster next season. I most definitely do not. I would love for the Niners to get a better QB.... One who is clearly better than average. Problem is... those guys aren't easy to find, are they?
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drummer
Footballguy
You do know that Smith has been given all of the Reps in practice, instead of at least giving Carr some snaps to prepare for worst case scenario, don't you? You do know that Carr was brought in so Smith would not have to look over his (separated) shoulders to see if the backup threatens his job, don't you? The 49er problems on offense start and end with Smith, and the 49ers coddling the guy. Not the Head Coaches. The Organization itself. The only competition Smith had at his position was Rattay in 2005, and Hill last 2 seasons. You wouldn't hear WE WANT CARR if Hill was still with this team, and most certainly they would have more than one win to boot. Chants of WE WANT HILL would be legit chants, since he basically saved Nolan's job, and created one for Singletary. This whole Organization is screwed up. One of the reasons why is that they are delusional, and part of that delusion pertains to Alex Smith.
NinerFan49
Footballguy
I disagree that "the 49er problems on offense start and end with Smith" for reasons I've enumerated in previous posts.I do agree that it was a mistake to trade Shaun Hill. I thought he was a solid QB... and was/is probably at least a little better than Smith... Maybe even significantly better. But I'm not one for crying (very long, at least) over spilled milk so I don't spend a lot of time dwelling on that. To paraphrase Rick Pitino, "Joe Montana is not coming through that door... and neither is Shaun Hill."I also agree that the "whole (Niners) Organization is screwed up."I am NOT an Alex Smith fan. I am a SF 49ers fan. The only times I've stepped up to take on the thankless task of defending Smith was when I thought he was being made a scapegoat for problems that go far beyond him by people who were ignoring the poor situation he has been put in this season.And, yes, I do know that Carr has not been getting many reps in practice. It sounds as if you believe he will do better with more reps. Color me skeptical... Time will tell...
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I count 13 that are worse or about the same. If you add VD into the equation, all of these are clearly worse. Even if you are saying just WRs, a lot of teams are really thin. Except for 2 or 3 of these, Crabtree is as good a #1. You've got Patrick Crayton, Chansi Stuckey and Danny Amendola as WR1s right now. In the NFL. Redskins
Bucs, Panthers
Bears
Seahawks, Rams
Patriots, Bills
Jags, Titans
Browns
Chargers, Raiders
VaCatFan
Footballguy
The way the game started yesterday, I thought you guys were gonna roll us. That pass to Vernon Davis was nicely done. Running out of passing formations and passing out of running formations had our defense confused. Smith made some nice passes. He made some that were ill-advised. Smith got crushed by Charles Johnson on a free run after the rookie RT mis-played the blocking assignment. SF definitely needs some WR help. I don't know if Crabtree is it or not. For every good play I saw out of Crabtree, I probably saw a bad play.
NinerFan49
Footballguy
I was was just saying WRs. Looking very quickly at your list, I would say that the Patriots, Chargers, Panthers, and Bears have better WRs than the Niners.What has Crabtree done at this point in his career? He held out way too long last season (only to get a contract almost exactly the same as what the Niners were offering him from the beginning). Then he exaggerated his injuries so he could get out of having to play in preseason games... All of which has affected his performance, and not for the better.
Crabtree has done nothing yet to support the claim that he is as good as the Patriots' Wes Welker, the Panthers' Steve Smith, or even the Chargers' Malcolm Floyd.
And what have the other Niner WRs done this season? Or in previous seasons? Their second best WR this season, Josh Morgan, may someday prove to be a solid WR, but he hasn't yet.
In the ranking (below) of WRs released by Scouts, Inc. before this season began, Crabtree was ranked #31 and Morgan was ranked #92.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/scouting?position=1
In the ranking (below) of WRs' performance after last week's games, Crabtree was ranked #36 and Morgan was ranked #72.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr
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NinerFan49
Footballguy
Yeah, that was by far the best offensive play calling for the Niners in any game this season. But that's not saying much... With the exception of yesterday's game, their offensive play calling has been way too predictable this season.I think there's still a good chance that Crabtree will prove to be a very good NFL WR... based on what he did in college. But he hasn't done much yet. Which isn't surprising because most WRs don't do much in their first couple of NFL seasons.Congratz to your Panthers. They played hard all game and earned that victory.
You are one of those guys? Alex has been in the league for six years and some people (and apparently you are one of them) have yet to assign any blame to him? The guy is awful. he has a good drive here and there but even on alot of passes he completes the things look like ducks. He won't even be in the league two years from now
NinerFan49
Footballguy
I am indeed one of "those guys," if by that you mean someone who has tried to put Smith's poor performances in context and assign to him only as much blame he deserves. In this, his best season, he has played on an offense with a very poor OL, poor WRs and poor offensive play calling... and he has shown that he's at least an average NFL QB. There's a reason why Vernon Davis, Frank Gore and other offensive players expressed their support for Smith when Singletary tried to bench him.As for whether Smith will be in the league two years from now or not... Time will tell. And if Smith is, indeed, gone two seasons from now, I won't care one bit. I'm not "for" Smith" nearly as much as I am against what I consider to be foolish attempts to make Smith the scapegoat for all of the Niners' problems on offense this season.I know it's tempting to find one scapegoat to vent all of one's frustrations on... instead of taking the time to examine a problem and recognize that it has many components. It's also almost always a terrible idea.
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
If it were Alex Smith's first year I'd say it's the rest of the team. Hell, even if it were his second, third, or maybe even fourth year. The entire team has played like crap (that's on Singletary). But Smith has played like a turd for SIX years. Enough already. We're going to draft a qb next year...so let's give Troy Smith and Nate Davis a chance to prove they suck as badly as our current starter.
