Week 10 - Buy Low/ Sell High (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

If Coleman isn't enough to trade Reed, what RB would you need to deal Reed?

Remember that Coleman CURRENTLY is a low RB2 going forward, with upside to have RB1 performances in a given week.  But if Freeman goes down, Coleman becomes a top 5 RB.  A guy that can win your league for you. 

You don't know if it's not sustainable.  ATL is going to have one of the best offenses in the NFL.  After Julio, Coleman or Freeman usually becomes the 2nd option in the passing game.  Coleman is getting about 35-45% of the touches, and they are quality ones.....in the passing game and near the goalline.

IMO, Reed had a career year last year,and he is injury prone.

Just bookmark this in November.  Atlanta does this every year; look like all-pros during the extended preseason (aka first few games) then fade horribly down the stretch.  Whatever they are doing with multiple RBs will be figured out and shut down. There's a reason that there are very few examples of any RBBC where both guys are highly relevant. It's a mirage.

Why wait until November to bump this?

 

[SayWhat?]

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 3.5 games. He seems to do okay. 

I really dislike when people use AP's fumbling issues as a crutch for it not being of major concern for other RB's.  Lots of things are excused, fumbling included, when you're arguably one of the top 3 RB talents in the history of the game.  Lots of things aren't excused when you're talking about replacement level talent at the position.  Whether Booker indeed has a fumbling problem is up for debate.  What's not is that if he fumbles "once every 3.5 games," I can guarantee you he won't "seem to do ok" as his ### will be planted firmly on the bench.

 

[Interseptopus]

I really dislike when people use AP's fumbling issues as a crutch for it not being of major concern for other RB's.  Lots of things are excused, fumbling included, when you're arguably one of the top 3 RB talents in the history of the game.  Lots of things aren't excused when you're talking about replacement level talent at the position.  Whether Booker indeed has a fumbling problem is up for debate.  What's not is that if he fumbles "once every 3.5 games," I can guarantee you he won't "seem to do ok" as his ### will be planted firmly on the bench.

True. I don't like that either. I just think it points out how unreasonable it is to focus on someone's history/stats from 2 seasons ago, in college no less, one's first season in college, and use that information as if he will have a hard time holding onto the ball in the pros. 

Comparing anyone to one of the best backs is unfair. I agree. I just know he has fumbling issues and seems to do fine getting yardage when he's not hurt (which was also a thing of his in college actually...).

Until Booker starts fumbling all the time in the pros, I think it's unfair to assume he will. 

 

[VaTerp]

The problem is Reed does not stay healthy so his perceived value is lower.  And now that he is being evaluated for a concussion his value will drop off a cliff.

True.  I was responded to the other arguments against Reed which I completely disagreed with.  Tough to argue against increased health concerns.  Especially today.

 

[tangfoot]

Selling (trying) A Jeffery for Minny Def. 

League where you lose pts for all pts allowed.

Seattle should be far cheaper and has given up less than 1 point more per game.

 

[jurrassic]

I am in over analyzation mode.  I was just offered Edelman and Bennett for Coleman.  I also have Johnson, Ingram and Michael at rb.  My only other te is Ertz.  I am not a strong believer in Coleman keeping this up but he keeps proving everyone wrong week after week and is essentially their #2 wr.  I feel like I want as much of the Patriots offense as I can get but they all feel like a roll of the dice each week, and now there is work Lewis may start practicing.  I'm over thinking it, right?

 

[Absolutely Nothing]

I am in over analyzation mode.  I was just offered Edelman and Bennett for Coleman.  I also have Johnson, Ingram and Michael at rb.  My only other te is Ertz.  I am not a strong believer in Coleman keeping this up but he keeps proving everyone wrong week after week and is essentially their #2 wr.  I feel like I want as much of the Patriots offense as I can get but they all feel like a roll of the dice each week, and now there is work Lewis may start practicing.  I'm over thinking it, right?

I love Bennett and I think he's a top tier TE ROS, I don't like Edelman nearly enough to make that trade. Push for a better WR, if he doesn't budge then stick with Coleman Id say. Let him keep proving you wrong.

 

[jurrassic]

I love Bennett and I think he's a top tier TE ROS, I don't like Edelman nearly enough to make that trade. Push for a better WR, if he doesn't budge then stick with Coleman Id say. Let him keep proving you wrong.

Thanks.  I am not sold on Edelman either for some reason.  Though this Coleman ride may get bumpy soon

 

[Dondante]

Was just offered Delanie Walker for Forte (Powell owner). Take it and run or see what else I can get? 

 

[rjv]

Booker has improved his fumbling problem as far as I can tell
2014 6 fumbles (I can't find how many he lost)
2015 3 fumbles, none lost
2016 1 fumble, none lost
I wouldn't call that a "long had fumbling problem"

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 3.5 games. He seems to do okay. 

CJ has a long history of inconsistency and poor play. Most significant, he has a history of losing his starting job. I don't know how you gloss over that so easily to come to your conclusion. That situation is very murky. Buying CJ would be a mistake. 

My thoughts exactly. Not to sure about CJ. Just traded him for C Micheal

 

[agent orange]

Just swapped Tevin Coleman for Doug Martin.  Expecting Martin to come back strong and take over the starting role immediately after the bye.  The Bucs soft schedule and their desire to limit the amount of passes Winston throws bodes wells for Martin's touches.   I know Coleman has been on fire lately, but I can easily see the arrows of these two going in opposite directions....as in Martin up and Coleman down.  Here's hoping!

 

[JFS171]

Booker has improved his fumbling problem as far as I can tell
2014 6 fumbles (I can't find how many he lost)
2015 3 fumbles, none lost
2016 1 fumble, none lost
I wouldn't call that a "long had fumbling problem"

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 3.5 games. He seems to do okay. 

CJ has a long history of inconsistency and poor play. Most significant, he has a history of losing his starting job. I don't know how you gloss over that so easily to come to your conclusion. That situation is very murky. Buying CJ would be a mistake. 

My thoughts exactly. Not to sure about CJ. Just traded him for C Micheal

With any buy low situation, you've got to have the cajones to wade into the depths when it looks pretty bleak.  I don't believe CJA loses his gig outright to Booker.  However, I will say I thought Waldman made a great point in his assessment of the situation regarding Elway's relationship with Kubiak and how it's been rumored in Denver that Elway has more influence over the coaching and playing time than most GMs would have.  Waldman said Elway repeatedly said that Booker was the number 2 RB on their board, so if that's the case... I'm sure Elway's infatuated with him.  And to his credit, Booker has looked good.  As for the fumbling problem, he has improved, and perhaps it's just a narrative.  NFL.com does mention it in his weaknesses on his draft profile page. 

Bringing it back to CJA -- Waldman speculated (in the On the Couch podcast with Sig) that Elway was stuck between a rock and a hard place with CJA.  For whatever reason, Denver hasn't ever seemed to be enamored with CJA.  They didn't negotiate with him directly this offseason - they let him go find the best deal he could find, and then they matched it, probably reluctantly.  They knew they had a Super Bowl roster, and they were going to have questions at QB, so they wanted something stable in the backfield.  That said, they still took Booker in the 3rd and, again, Elway's repeatedly said he was the number 2 RB on their board (presumably behind Zeke).  So now that Booker is flashing, maybe Elway starts pushing more and more for Booker to get more PT.  

That's cause for concern, to be sure.  However, to me that assumes a couple of things: 1) Elway doesn't like CJA, reluctantly paid him, and would prefer him to be a backup or somewhere else; 2) Elway has a strong hand in playing time decisions.  It's plausible that instead of those things, it's more like: 1) Elway and CJA's people disagreed on his value, so knowing he could match any deal, Elway let the market set CJA's price knowing full well he would match any deal; 2) Elway saw the RB position as a position of need behind CJA given Kubiak's normally run-heavy scheme and the fact that CJA's had a history of being nicked up.  Add to that how poorly Hillman played behind CJA, and how most NFL backfields have committee attacks, and the value of the pick (if your #2 RB is available in the mid-late 3rd round), and maybe that's how it all came to be?

When in doubt, follow the $$... CJA's new contract was a 4-year/$18MM deal.  However, it's structured in such a way that he's getting a big chunk of it this year ($6MM cap hit of the $7.6MM guaranteed).  It's *plausible* that Elway could decide to part ways with CJA after this year.  If he's designated a post-June 1 data cut, he's only $1.7MM against the cap.  That would let the team get out of his contract, BUT... CJA's salaries are $2.9MM, $4.5MM, and $4.5MM, which seem relatively cheap given the rising salary cap.

All this to say, in a dynasty, I'd still buy, though I may wait a week or two to see how it plays out.  In redraft, I'd still buy -- just more cheaply than I was looking to do earlier this week.

 

[Interseptopus]

With any buy low situation, you've got to have the cajones to wade into the depths when it looks pretty bleak.  I don't believe CJA loses his gig outright to Booker.  However, I will say I thought Waldman made a great point in his assessment of the situation regarding Elway's relationship with Kubiak and how it's been rumored in Denver that Elway has more influence over the coaching and playing time than most GMs would have.  Waldman said Elway repeatedly said that Booker was the number 2 RB on their board, so if that's the case... I'm sure Elway's infatuated with him.  And to his credit, Booker has looked good.  As for the fumbling problem, he has improved, and perhaps it's just a narrative.  NFL.com does mention it in his weaknesses on his draft profile page. 

Bringing it back to CJA -- Waldman speculated (in the On the Couch podcast with Sig) that Elway was stuck between a rock and a hard place with CJA.  For whatever reason, Denver hasn't ever seemed to be enamored with CJA.  They didn't negotiate with him directly this offseason - they let him go find the best deal he could find, and then they matched it, probably reluctantly.  They knew they had a Super Bowl roster, and they were going to have questions at QB, so they wanted something stable in the backfield.  That said, they still took Booker in the 3rd and, again, Elway's repeatedly said he was the number 2 RB on their board (presumably behind Zeke).  So now that Booker is flashing, maybe Elway starts pushing more and more for Booker to get more PT.  

That's cause for concern, to be sure.  However, to me that assumes a couple of things: 1) Elway doesn't like CJA, reluctantly paid him, and would prefer him to be a backup or somewhere else; 2) Elway has a strong hand in playing time decisions.  It's plausible that instead of those things, it's more like: 1) Elway and CJA's people disagreed on his value, so knowing he could match any deal, Elway let the market set CJA's price knowing full well he would match any deal; 2) Elway saw the RB position as a position of need behind CJA given Kubiak's normally run-heavy scheme and the fact that CJA's had a history of being nicked up.  Add to that how poorly Hillman played behind CJA, and how most NFL backfields have committee attacks, and the value of the pick (if your #2 RB is available in the mid-late 3rd round), and maybe that's how it all came to be?

When in doubt, follow the $$... CJA's new contract was a 4-year/$18MM deal.  However, it's structured in such a way that he's getting a big chunk of it this year ($6MM cap hit of the $7.6MM guaranteed).  It's *plausible* that Elway could decide to part ways with CJA after this year.  If he's designated a post-June 1 data cut, he's only $1.7MM against the cap.  That would let the team get out of his contract, BUT... CJA's salaries are $2.9MM, $4.5MM, and $4.5MM, which seem relatively cheap given the rising salary cap.

All this to say, in a dynasty, I'd still buy, though I may wait a week or two to see how it plays out.  In redraft, I'd still buy -- just more cheaply than I was looking to do earlier this week.

Good post.

I think we are in some kind of agreement here. I am not sure Booker flat out beats CJA either. I think it will take an injury like last year and then he may not get it back if Booker impresses. Given CJA's history that's not unlikely to happen to some degree. 

This is a definite murky situation. I'm not sure I'd buy CJA in dynasty. But you could probably get him quite cheap. I think redraft is a better deal for you but overall you would also need to temper expectations. I guess I get the feeling some people think he's going to be a top 10 or 5 RB to finish the year. I strongly disagree. 10-20 is quite possible 

 

[JFS171]

Good post.

I think we are in some kind of agreement here. I am not sure Booker flat out beats CJA either. I think it will take an injury like last year and then he may not get it back if Booker impresses. Given CJA's history that's not unlikely to happen to some degree. 

This is a definite murky situation. I'm not sure I'd buy CJA in dynasty. But you could probably get him quite cheap. I think redraft is a better deal for you but overall you would also need to temper expectations. I guess I get the feeling some people think he's going to be a top 10 or 5 RB to finish the year. I strongly disagree. 10-20 is quite possible 

Yeah - these always depend on the price... and depends on the level of panic of his owner.  My point in dynasty was that if he's cut, there's going to be a market for him.  Miami wanted him to be their workhorse... someone will grab him.

Waldman also pointed out how CJA runs very patiently... normally that's a good fit for the zone scheme, but not when the line is awful.  I covered the Stephenson injury before -- got hurt in week 2, but returns tonight. He is light years better than Sambraillo.  Also Green returns, who's been out since week 2 as well.  Those two injuries both align with CJA's dip in performance.  So CJA's patience may have been working against him while Booker just gets the ball and hits the hole, instead of pressing the hole and waiting for the cut back. 

Always depends on price -- but I'd buy.

 

[jimmykick]

Is Terrance west a buy low or a sell high I'm not sure... I'm a hopeful owner that he'll continue this production but there's a lot of hype about Dixon

 

[Absolutely Nothing]

Is Terrance west a buy low or a sell high I'm not sure... I'm a hopeful owner that he'll continue this production but there's a lot of hype about Dixon

It's a no-go probably. Owners value you high, non-owners want to buy low. Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

[ratbast]

I sent Rivers, West and Marshal for Eli, Hill and OBJ. 

 

[Arodin]

I sent Rivers, West and Marshal for Eli, Hill and OBJ. 

Hmmm...Terrence or Charcandrick?  Brandon or Jalin?  Manning or Rodgers?  Somebody won that trade....

 

[nyy45]

Yeah - these always depend on the price... and depends on the level of panic of his owner.  My point in dynasty was that if he's cut, there's going to be a market for him.  Miami wanted him to be their workhorse... someone will grab him.

Waldman also pointed out how CJA runs very patiently... normally that's a good fit for the zone scheme, but not when the line is awful.  I covered the Stephenson injury before -- got hurt in week 2, but returns tonight. He is light years better than Sambraillo.  Also Green returns, who's been out since week 2 as well.  Those two injuries both align with CJA's dip in performance.  So CJA's patience may have been working against him while Booker just gets the ball and hits the hole, instead of pressing the hole and waiting for the cut back. 

Always depends on price -- but I'd buy.

I've been holding Booker since I drafted him because I was never fully confident in CJ's ability to carry a load.  In fact, including his college and NFL career, he's never had more than 179 carries in a single season.  I'm not sure he has the stamina to be an every down back and gain strength as the game goes on, which good rb's do well, and CJ doesn't.  We're going to be seeing more and more from Booker.  We're seeing it right now, he's been in the last 2 drives.  I hope you have him rostered

 

[ratbast]

Hmmm...Terrence or Charcandrick?  Brandon or Jalin?  Manning or Rodgers?  Somebody won that trade....

The obvious answers: Terrance, Brandon, Manning. I would have been more specific if the others.

So PRivers, TWest, BMarshal for EManning, JHill, OBJ. Marshal was and OBJ will be my starter but the others were and are my depth. Keeper league too.

I think Rivers an Marshall are sell hi and Eli and OBJ buy low. 

 

[the spanker]

The obvious answers: Terrance, Brandon, Manning. I would have been more specific if the others.

So PRivers, TWest, BMarshal for EManning, JHill, OBJ. Marshal was and OBJ will be my starter but the others were and are my depth. Keeper league too.

I think Rivers an Marshall are sell hi and Eli and OBJ buy low. 

Is this ppr?  If so, I disagree.  

 

[dipandglide]

Just swapped Tevin Coleman for Doug Martin.  Expecting Martin to come back strong and take over the starting role immediately after the bye.  The Bucs soft schedule and their desire to limit the amount of passes Winston throws bodes wells for Martin's touches.   I know Coleman has been on fire lately, but I can easily see the arrows of these two going in opposite directions....as in Martin up and Coleman down.  Here's hoping!

Hell of a deal for you. I like what ATL is doing with Coleman in the passing game, but the regression coming. I think Doug's fresh legs without Sims in the picture can win a lot of people titles down the stretch.

 

[gethugefast1]

Just swapped Tevin Coleman for Doug Martin.  Expecting Martin to come back strong and take over the starting role immediately after the bye.  The Bucs soft schedule and their desire to limit the amount of passes Winston throws bodes wells for Martin's touches.   I know Coleman has been on fire lately, but I can easily see the arrows of these two going in opposite directions....as in Martin up and Coleman down.  Here's hoping!

Hell of a deal for you. I like what ATL is doing with Coleman in the passing game, but the regression coming. I think Doug's fresh legs without Sims in the picture can win a lot of people titles down the stretch.

PPR; sent trade proposal out to Martin owner for my CJ, I ##### you not, after CJ scored on dump off, I received alert,'trade offer accepted'... then received nasty text a minute later, when owner found out TD called back for holding penalty and ruined what would have finally been a stud night for CJ since week 1. Sent back a 'LOL' text.

 

[simsarge]

PPR; sent trade proposal out to Martin owner for my CJ, I ##### you not, after CJ scored on dump off, I received alert,'trade offer accepted'... then received nasty text a minute later, when owner found out TD called back for holding penalty and ruined what would have finally been a stud night for CJ since week 1. Sent back a 'LOL' text.

How was he going to start CJ after the game already started?

 

[shadyridr]

How was he going to start CJ after the game already started?

It doesnt but apparently that one play made the trade awesome and then when a holding penalty nullified the TD it made the trade horrible again. Bizarre logic.

 

[JFS171]

Yeah - these always depend on the price... and depends on the level of panic of his owner.  My point in dynasty was that if he's cut, there's going to be a market for him.  Miami wanted him to be their workhorse... someone will grab him.

Waldman also pointed out how CJA runs very patiently... normally that's a good fit for the zone scheme, but not when the line is awful.  I covered the Stephenson injury before -- got hurt in week 2, but returns tonight. He is light years better than Sambraillo.  Also Green returns, who's been out since week 2 as well.  Those two injuries both align with CJA's dip in performance.  So CJA's patience may have been working against him while Booker just gets the ball and hits the hole, instead of pressing the hole and waiting for the cut back. 

Always depends on price -- but I'd buy.

May be even cheaper now to the box score scouts... Anderson got 57 snaps to Booker's 15.  Rotoworld is in spin mode trying to talk up Booker, and Booker looked good as he has to this point, but CJA looked fine too when he wasn't hit immediately after getting the ball.  He had a few solid to long runs called back due to penalty while Booker's runs held up, and Anderson had the TD called back.  He was also much more involved in the passing game than Booker.

Use the narrative to your advantage -- "Oh Booker gained Anderson 46-37 on half the carries.  They're going to flip their roles!"  CJA's role seems pretty secure to me, and against a solid run D (especially since Bosa started playing) and with the entire offense in a funk, Anderson comes away with 71 total yards, four receptions, and a called back TD.  There are better days ahead, IMO... I'd still buy, especially at low-mid RB2 prices.

 

[Moonshine]

May be even cheaper now to the box score scouts... Anderson got 57 snaps to Booker's 15.  Rotoworld is in spin mode trying to talk up Booker, and Booker looked good as he has to this point, but CJA looked fine too when he wasn't hit immediately after getting the ball.  He had a few solid to long runs called back due to penalty while Booker's runs held up, and Anderson had the TD called back.  He was also much more involved in the passing game than Booker.

Use the narrative to your advantage -- "Oh Booker gained Anderson 46-37 on half the carries.  They're going to flip their roles!"  CJA's role seems pretty secure to me, and against a solid run D (especially since Bosa started playing) and with the entire offense in a funk, Anderson comes away with 71 total yards, four receptions, and a called back TD.  There are better days ahead, IMO... I'd still buy, especially at low-mid RB2 prices.

I'm going to need you to record the bolded part and send it to me so I can listen to it on repeat over the next week. With CJA and Gordon as my #2 and #3 RBs, I need some talking down off of that ledge.

 

[JFS171]

I'm going to need you to record the bolded part and send it to me so I can listen to it on repeat over the next week. With CJA and Gordon as my #2 and #3 RBs, I need some talking down off of that ledge.

I don't think Melvin Gordon is that good, so... sorry on that one.

As for CJA - OL finally got healthy and on the field last night, and it was sloppy and penalty-riddled.  I doubt it stays like that.  Anderson's getting the snaps and the touches, and I honestly remember at least two 10-20+ yard runs called back due to penalty, and a couple more 5-7 yarders.  That won't be the case every week.

Plus SD has been pretty good on the ground against opposing running games lately with Bosa in the fold.  They hit CJA repeatedly in the backfield last night, and they did the same thing to the Raiders backs last week.  Richard and Washington had decent stat lines, but neither one blew up. 

 

[need2know]

I'm going to need you to record the bolded part and send it to me so I can listen to it on repeat over the next week. With CJA and Gordon as my #2 and #3 RBs, I need some talking down off of that ledge.

Well those are better than what most people are trotting out there at rb

 

[SayWhat?]

May be even cheaper now to the box score scouts... Anderson got 57 snaps to Booker's 15.  Rotoworld is in spin mode trying to talk up Booker, and Booker looked good as he has to this point, but CJA looked fine too when he wasn't hit immediately after getting the ball.  He had a few solid to long runs called back due to penalty while Booker's runs held up, and Anderson had the TD called back.  He was also much more involved in the passing game than Booker.

Use the narrative to your advantage -- "Oh Booker gained Anderson 46-37 on half the carries.  They're going to flip their roles!"  CJA's role seems pretty secure to me, and against a solid run D (especially since Bosa started playing) and with the entire offense in a funk, Anderson comes away with 71 total yards, four receptions, and a called back TD.  There are better days ahead, IMO... I'd still buy, especially at low-mid RB2 prices.

I own neither of these two, but to be content that Anderson came away with those stats in that game is digging really deep into your pocket for some optimism.  Not sure how you can claim that Anderson was involved in the passing game to be honest.  He had three of those four receptions and 25 of those yards on a garbage time drive with two minutes left in the game, when SD was perfectly content allowing dump offs and letting Denver kill clock.  He really hasn't been involved in the passing game much since Week 1.  Anderson had something like 5 points in ppr until two minutes left in the game.   And sure, I'm playing the "take those plays away" game but this offense looks horrific right now and Booker isn't going away.  I wouldn't want either Denver RB right now, and I certainly wouldn't be buying either unless the price was ridiculously cheap. 

 

[JFS171]

I own neither of these two, but to be content that Anderson came away with those stats in that game is digging really deep into your pocket for some optimism.  Not sure how you can claim that Anderson was involved in the passing game to be honest.  He had three of those four receptions and 25 of those yards on a garbage time drive with two minutes left in the game, when SD was perfectly content allowing dump offs and letting Denver kill clock.  He really hasn't been involved in the passing game much since Week 1.  Anderson had something like 5 points in ppr until two minutes left in the game.   And sure, I'm playing the "take those plays away" game but this offense looks horrific right now and Booker isn't going away.  I wouldn't want either Denver RB right now, and I certainly wouldn't be buying either unless the price was ridiculously cheap. 

What part of 57 snaps to 15 snaps suggests Booker isn't going away?  Sure those dump offs came on the final drive - why wasn't Booker in the game if he's threatening?  You're telling me I'm supposed to buy that Booker is about to take this role when he was more effective on a per touch basis, and yet he only managed 15 snaps?  Are we to assume the coaches are incompetent now?

You can say I'm reaching for positivity, well...

I'm going to go contact all the CJA owners. 

 

[tricky92]

What part of 57 snaps to 15 snaps suggests Booker isn't going away?  Sure those dump offs came on the final drive - why wasn't Booker in the game if he's threatening?  You're telling me I'm supposed to buy that Booker is about to take this role when he was more effective on a per touch basis, and yet he only managed 15 snaps?  Are we to assume the coaches are incompetent now?

You can say I'm reaching for positivity, well...

I'm going to go contact all the CJA owners. 

And, the schedule eases up as well. This is critical.

Personally, I would want to own both players. There aren't many RB1/RB2 types out there with a back-up that can be a plug and play like this Bronco RB situation.

 

[JFS171]

Agreed - I'd like to own both, but in the absence of that ideal scenario, I'd buy CJA right now given the price is below his value, IMO.

 

[skinsrule05]

And, the schedule eases up as well. This is critical.

Personally, I would want to own both players. There aren't many RB1/RB2 types out there with a back-up that can be a plug and play like this Bronco RB situation.

Wasn't supposed to be easing up starting this week?  When did SD turn into this defensive juggernaut?

 

[SeanTaylor21]

Wasn't supposed to be easing up starting this week?  When did SD turn into this defensive juggernaut?

When Manti Te'o got hurt  .

I will agree that CJ would be a great buy low if possible, but I'd want to be sure Booker was acquirable as well.

 

[kittenmittens]

Anderson also had like 60 yards and a TD called back on penalties. 

 

[Landru]

What part of 57 snaps to 15 snaps suggests Booker isn't going away?  Sure those dump offs came on the final drive - why wasn't Booker in the game if he's threatening?  You're telling me I'm supposed to buy that Booker is about to take this role when he was more effective on a per touch basis, and yet he only managed 15 snaps?  Are we to assume the coaches are incompetent now?

You can say I'm reaching for positivity, well...

I'm going to go contact all the CJA owners. 

I don't have a dog in this fight but I think you're overstating the importance of snap counts here as there are some mitigating factors:

1) Their head coach wasn't there; Kubiak may have done things differently

2) While CJA overall looked good (and the TD that was called back was a great play), Booker undeniably looked better

3) Siemian was clearly struggling and it looked like the left shoulder was bothering him. It made sense to have the more experienced back protecting him

4) After the drive that Booker took them down the field, the Broncos were running a no huddle offense. CJA doubtless knows the offense better and is better suited for that situation

That's not to say that Anderson is trash; if an owner in one my leagues was panicking, I'd certainly try and buy low. But I wouldn't pay anything near quality starting RB prices for him; there is fundamentally a significant risk for a player who's understudy looks better. Using a struggling offense in hurry up mode without the head coach is hardly the basis for a definitive judgment on the players' roles going forward.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just swapped Tevin Coleman for Doug Martin.  Expecting Martin to come back strong and take over the starting role immediately after the bye.  The Bucs soft schedule and their desire to limit the amount of passes Winston throws bodes wells for Martin's touches.   I know Coleman has been on fire lately, but I can easily see the arrows of these two going in opposite directions....as in Martin up and Coleman down.  Here's hoping!

I can't acquire Martin, but people should try, look at his closing schedule, 2 of last 3 games vs Saints.

 

[rjv]

I can't acquire Martin, but people should try, look at his closing schedule, 2 of last 3 games vs Saints.

Agreed I would try. Like I stated earlier, I traded CJA before the Thursday Night game for CMike.

 

[Zero RB]

May be even cheaper now to the box score scouts... Anderson got 57 snaps to Booker's 15.  Rotoworld is in spin mode trying to talk up Booker, and Booker looked good as he has to this point, but CJA looked fine too when he wasn't hit immediately after getting the ball.  He had a few solid to long runs called back due to penalty while Booker's runs held up, and Anderson had the TD called back.  He was also much more involved in the passing game than Booker.

Use the narrative to your advantage -- "Oh Booker gained Anderson 46-37 on half the carries.  They're going to flip their roles!"  CJA's role seems pretty secure to me, and against a solid run D (especially since Bosa started playing) and with the entire offense in a funk, Anderson comes away with 71 total yards, four receptions, and a called back TD.  There are better days ahead, IMO... I'd still buy, especially at low-mid RB2 prices.

Wasn't most of that production in garbage time?

 

[tricky92]

Wasn't most of that production in garbage time?

Having a legit chance of winning doesn't count as garbage time. More like crunch time... albeit with linebackers laying off of him a bit.

Make no mistake, though... the Chargers were certainly ####ting themselves.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

It was basically garbage time defense there for a bit though. SD was playing prevent, worrying about the big play, opening up the run game that they had bottled up most of the game hoping DEN would run and run the clock. There's a handful of garbage time yards there for sure, but given how crumby the DEN offense looked last night, it could be bankable for whoever is the RB.

 

[ratbast]

Is this ppr?  If so, I disagree.  

its .5 PPR TD heavy keeper. Without Decker, and others banged up for the Jets, I expect Marshall to be good but not great. I expect OBJ to get better is Eli and the RBs get better at all. Shepard and Cruz help the coverage.

That said I can understand if you rank Marshall higher but add in the knew and his age and the keeper influence and I was happy to grease the deal with West and Rivers and take Eli and Hill off his hands. Can you honestly say I lost in this deal? It looks like it as far as the first few weeks but this is a marathon. 

 

[icehouse]

Last night I traded McKinnon and Washington (Det) for Allen Robinson. It's a standard scoring, short bench league and the other owner had Julio and Marvin Jones, and was hurting at RB (Riddick, Booker, Duke and Deangelo).

 

[hamsterdam]

Last night I traded McKinnon and Washington (Det) for Allen Robinson. It's a standard scoring, short bench league and the other owner had Julio and Marvin Jones, and was hurting at RB (Riddick, Booker, Duke and Deangelo).

You should go to jail.

 

[rascal]

Need to dump Allen Robinson...yuck

No games over 75 yards this season.

 

[Moonshine]

Just sold CJA and D. Thomas for Doug Martin and Hopkins. I'm not really a believer in Hopkins this year, and I've been burned by Martin before, but I just needed out of Denver. On to bigger and better things!

 

[gethugefast1]

Just sold CJA and D. Thomas for Doug Martin and Hopkins. I'm not really a believer in Hopkins this year, and I've been burned by Martin before, but I just needed out of Denver. On to bigger and better things!

traded CJ straight up for Martin, had to drop booker, needed to fill wr slot with byes... hoping to pick up booker with waivers wednesday while other owners looking at this week 'one week wonders' 

 

[gethugefast1]

Last night I traded McKinnon and Washington (Det) for Allen Robinson. It's a standard scoring, short bench league and the other owner had Julio and Marvin Jones, and was hurting at RB (Riddick, Booker, Duke and Deangelo).

You should go to jail.

love the buy low on AR, though would be concerned the way it's looking to start anyone vs MIN (see week 14),  if you happened to be in and have to play 1st round of playoffs with no other options

 

[Chaka]

Traded Crow for AJ Green. Yeah, I know.