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Week 10 - Buy Low/ Sell High (2 Viewers)
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Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Ive been trying to sell Fuller and did so today. Just hard time seeing him keep the pace up for too long. In the process I bought low on Cooper.
Fuller/DeAndre Washington for Cooper/DeAngelo Williams
Fuller/DeAndre Washington for Cooper/DeAngelo Williams
Dismattle
Footballguy
short passing game ?
Sams averaging @ 30 attempts w/ no picks.. I guess if you believe in McKinnon, its probably wise to adjust expectations. Id bet on Sam throwing the ball some if the D is playing the run (like they should) To tell the truth, Im not so sure AP should be in the discussion, but thats probably debatable too
However, I really like the buying Howard part.. Im onboard that Tanner!
Chaka
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
FWIW, early this week I offered Fitz in a package deal that would have got back Gore. It was rejected.
Yesterday I was offered Ware for Fitz, which I rejected.
btemp
Footballguy
What would make me hesitate on selling Gordon is that he has no competition for touches on the NFL's 3rd highest scoring offence. It's very likely that his TDs return to average but he'll still get lots of opportunities. And if you're going to argue his TDs should drop then his yds/carry should also return to average.
fightingillini
Footballguy
I agree with that. I would only sell Gordon if I can use Gordon in a package to get Zeke or Bell or DJ. Otherwise I would just hold and know that at worst I am getting strong RB2 production.
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
I just don't see this running back situation remaining the vacuum it is. If Gordon starts to struggle more visibily to the increase in touches per game, there's nothing stopping the Chargers from picking up a free agent running back like Forsett.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
PPR: Lotta people overrating the worth of Ware at this point. I'm an owner of Ware (and Fitz) but I'd be embarrassed to make that offer at this point unless I owned Charles (and there needs to be something thrown atop Ware in the deal)
VaTerp
Footballguy
Yeah,PPR. I made several offers to get Ware from him the last few weeks so he knew I was interested in him. But this guy is loaded at RB and really needs a WR so I feel like I have the leverage in trade offers with him. I offered him Dorsett for Ware and was willing to throw in somebody else.
PPR: Lotta people overrating the worth of Ware at this point. I'm an owner of Ware (and Fitz) but I'd be embarrassed to make that offer at this point unless I owned Charles (and there needs to be something thrown atop Ware in the deal)
I want Ware for depth but I'm not giving up a top 25 WR for him at this point. Ware can sit on his bench.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
My buy low of the week is Dorial Green-Beckam. I think he'll see playing time spike and Detroit hasn't stopped anyone yet.
Short Term and likely not the most exciting: Anquan Boldin while Ebron is out.
Short Term and likely not the most exciting: Anquan Boldin while Ebron is out.
btemp
Footballguy
There is no free agent that is likely to steal significant touches from Gordon at this point. First, because he was a 1st round pick just last year. Second, because there is little talent left in the free agent pool. While Gordon needs to improve to hold the job long term he's not looked terrible where he needs to be replaced. As well, the Chargers offensive line has struggled.
If there is a threat to Gordon it's from Farrow. But we have no evidence at this stage that he'll get real touches.
dagwood
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'd agree with this. However, at this point if I were a Martin owner I would figure I've held onto him this long why not just keep him for the long haul. If he comes back and struggles a little that might make it easier to trade for him, but often I find with these types of players that when the owner holds while he's injured he's not real likely to give him up right when he's about to come back.
I also think Lamar Miller is a good buy low. If his owner is frustrated to the point where he's willing to unload him for a RB2 type. Unfortunately I'm not sure how common it would be to find Miller's value dropped low. Similarly, Gurley is playing real bad but his owner in my league still values him as the top RB choice. All depends on the pulse of your league mates
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I agree on Martin being a buy low. I made a deal for him last week because I love his fantasy playoff schedule. I ended up moving Larry Fitzgerald, Carlos Hyde, Jason Witten for Brandon Marshall, Doug Martin, Howard--and so far I've feeling pretty good about it
In regards to Gurley--it's quite obvious that he's a top RB. If you were a Gurley owner--how many RB's out there would you rather own rest of season? Leveon, David Johnson, EE, and maybe Lesean McCoy? Even if you wanted to throw another name or two on top of that list--I can't see why any Gurley owner would feel motivated to trade him for anything less than an elite return. I'm not a Gurley owner--but the notion that him playing "really bad" is 3 tds in his last 3 games and averaging 3 receptions per game over his last 3. On top of that--he's a clear bell cow running back to where he's getting lots of rushing attempts as icing on the cake.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I agree. Before the season if someone offered me Gurley for EE or McCoy I'd take it. Bell and DJ no thanks. But today I'd rather have EE or McCoy.
I am stubborn with my RB1s and have a hard time selling them when they are low because we all know they are talented to be a RB1. But the guy in my league values him as the RB1, not a RB1. If I offered him OBJ and my RB2 for Gurley I don't think he'd take that, and I think that's how a lot of people value their RB1s that are underperforming
kittenmittens
Footballguy
The problem with Gurley is that Tavon Austin is stealing too much of the screen game. At this point Gurley owners are dodging landmines all over the place in that the game has to go a certain way or Fischer doesn't use him or he isn't effective. Yet, there are still people calling him a top RB. That screams sell high to me. RBs I would rather start over Gurley in most matchups (in PPR) is a long list.
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Well the window to buy low on Cooper passed. Now I think I'm looking at Jarvis Landry - 3-28-0 and the Dolphins don't look good. The week prior he had 7-61 - You might be able to swing something if the team lost a game or two.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Problem with buying Landry is threefold......Tannehill sucks, the MIA OL sucks, and the MIA D gets gashed on the ground (or the air). Last week, TEN dominted the TOP and ran the ball about 40 times. Tannehill only threw 18 passes TOTAL. Hard for Landry to produce.
But if you can get Landry really cheap, I would still probably do so and hope MIA gets their heads out of their a$$es.
Still can't believe he's been this successful... crap team, newer QB, no other offensive weapons, bad o-line, sieve defense so they should have to throw more.... and he's the #2 scorer in most leagues. 10 leagues I didn't draft him once. CLE, IND, JAX, and SD are on the dockett as well. Damn.
Lol, what? Reed is probably the top TE rest of season in PPR, maybe behind Olsen. He's a lock for 7 catches a game and can easily have double TDs. There is no way Coleman is worth anywhere near Reed.
cheese
Footballguy
Not a BL/SH guy, but I may have to consider moving Bennett this week. I'm already getting some big offers from owners who think this is the new normal with Brady back.
Good chance to snag DWilliams off 0 points for next to nothing if you want to handcuff Bell or just wait for an injury.
Good chance to snag DWilliams off 0 points for next to nothing if you want to handcuff Bell or just wait for an injury.
Chaka
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I guess, depending what you get, but Gronk and the killer were both must starts each week back in the day. No, Bennett isn't going to get 3TDs a game, but I don't think the usage we saw on Sunday is far off what we see the rest of the - people are focused on Bennett's day, but he was fantastic and a not 100% Gronk still had 100yds. Things will just open up more as they get more weapons back.
Historical results != future performance.
Reed is 13th in targets for ALL POSITIONS. Not just WR, but RB or other TEs. He also owns the highest catch rate (71%) of any of the top-20 targeted players. The dude is a f'in stud. He's a top 2-3 round lock in a re-draft.
What Freeman and Coleman are doing in a RBBC is in no way sustainable. I can't believe I have to explain such simple concepts to someone with 36k posts?
shadyridr
Footballguy
No way sustainable? We have 5 games of which 4 Coleman put up RB1 numbers.
Theres also the concept of sell low/buy high. I am advocating Coleman as a buy high.
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Buying high on the bad end of a RBBC is a recipe for disaster. I'll check in on this post in a month and see how it works for you. The only way he's a good trade target is if Freeman gets hurt.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Selling (trying) A Jeffery for Minny Def.
League where you lose pts for all pts allowed.
League where you lose pts for all pts allowed.
OU#1
Footballguy
Does anybody else think Doug Martin is a good buy low? Sims is on IR now, so he might not get as much vulture on 3rd down and such, although Qiz is a decent pass catcher.
I guess my thought is, I don't see Qiz taking as many snaps away from him than Sims was? So he should get more looks?
I guess my thought is, I don't see Qiz taking as many snaps away from him than Sims was? So he should get more looks?
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Man that's a decent trade but I have MN D and they're so good / reliable I would be hard pressed to accept unless my WRs were a wasteland.
Not stressing over matchupd and fighting for scraps with other streamers is such a relief ??
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
x2 on Martin. Not only is Sims on IR but Koetter has been explicit that Winston will be taking less attempts throwing. I think they are going to run Martin hard if his hammy gets right. Next up: 49ers, OAK, ATL, CHI. During the playoffs? Saints, twice.
Hammy issues can be troublesome but if I'm in a league where I need to make a move Martin is an undervalued guy I would target.
fightingillini
Footballguy
If Coleman isn't enough to trade Reed, what RB would you need to deal Reed?
Remember that Coleman CURRENTLY is a low RB2 going forward, with upside to have RB1 performances in a given week. But if Freeman goes down, Coleman becomes a top 5 RB. A guy that can win your league for you.
You don't know if it's not sustainable. ATL is going to have one of the best offenses in the NFL. After Julio, Coleman or Freeman usually becomes the 2nd option in the passing game. Coleman is getting about 35-45% of the touches, and they are quality ones.....in the passing game and near the goalline.
IMO, Reed had a career year last year,and he is injury prone.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Yes. Qiz takes the Sims role and siphons some receptions from Martin, but Martin is BY FAR the superior runner to Qiz.
Last night, IMO, Martin rushes for over 150 yards....where Qiz had about 100.
Steeler
Footballguy
No way im trading Reed for Coleman. Reed is going to be top 3 at his position barring injury and Coleman, by your own admission, is a low end RB2. No matter how bad the Rbs are, I dont see how that trade favors the Reed owner.
I probably would never be able to deal Reed because nobody would pay what i want in return... an RB1.
Spookytooth
Footballguy
Trying to deal Melvin Gordon in a deal for watkins and doctson but seems unlikely ill be willing to add the picks (that I have in abundace) necessary to make fhe deal go down.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Will Martin be healed at his bye week for sure? If healthy I would put him as a top end RB #2 with upside, which is not too bad.
wodahSShadow
Footballguy
2QB league: sent Bennett + Alex Smith for Stafford.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I have to say that I don't think I would ever pull the trigger on giving up a dude with WR1 upside for a Team D. Unless the scoring parameters in your league are such that it's worth drafting any team defense before the 4th or 5th round--no way I would ever consider trading a guy like Alshon for a defense. With that being said--I'm probably in the minority on this.
Just bookmark this in November. Atlanta does this every year; look like all-pros during the extended preseason (aka first few games) then fade horribly down the stretch. Whatever they are doing with multiple RBs will be figured out and shut down. There's a reason that there are very few examples of any RBBC where both guys are highly relevant. It's a mirage.
