Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Fournette might be a buy, missed last week and on bye this week, obviously depends on the owners situation but maybe be able to pluck him for Ingram type and solid WR.
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Week 8 - Buy Low - Sell High (1 Viewer)
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Julio Jones - Still in Buy Low territory despite his garbage-time influenced production
Jordy Nelson - More of a WR2 now, he's still the best Green Bay has to offer and you'd think Hundley gets better...
Keenan Allen - Mild line in Denver, might be able to get him cheap. He's had at least 60 yards or 9+ targets in 5/7 games. He and Henry are target hogs.
Jay Ajayi - Gets tons of carries but can't do anything with him. However his QB, WR situation and the schedule will improve.
Jordy Nelson - More of a WR2 now, he's still the best Green Bay has to offer and you'd think Hundley gets better...
Keenan Allen - Mild line in Denver, might be able to get him cheap. He's had at least 60 yards or 9+ targets in 5/7 games. He and Henry are target hogs.
Jay Ajayi - Gets tons of carries but can't do anything with him. However his QB, WR situation and the schedule will improve.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Nelson appears to be a major buy low guy right now. Just check out the Jordy thread, he's being talked about as droppable in some leagues.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Oh come on WTH? I need to join some of these leagues they are in. 10-teamers I guess.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Wow. I'm not sure how I feel about acquiring Nelson. I suppose if you can get him dirt cheap then yes.
Love the Ajayi call.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
That was my first thought as well but they actually make a compelling argument.
Oh come on WTH? I need to join some of these leagues they are in. 10-teamers I guess.
Jordy is 52nd in the league in receptions and 52nd in receiving yards. And that was with Rodgers for all but one of his games. His value was predicated ENTIRELY on his TD production, and if that disappears with Hundley (which appears fairly likely) he's not even a startable WR4.
He definitely seems like a guy who has more value to the people that don't own him and didn't realize how little he's been producing outside of the TDs (like me), so he may be a better sell high than buy low since his owners seem to have a better grasp on his actually value than the rest of us that just see his name and assume he's a stud.
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Hawkeye21
Footballguy
In my half PPR league he's the WR9 based on average PPG if I take out his injured, 0 point game. If I count the injured game he's the WR19 based on PPG.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Right....because of touchdowns. Touchdowns which there are going to be a lot less of now.
52nd in receptions, 52nd in yards, 1st in TDs.
He was on pace to score 19 TDs with Rodgers. Do you think Hundley can support anywhere near that kind of TD pace out of a receiver? Honestly, looking at this he was probably a good sell even before Rodgers went down.
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Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Very unlikely but I still don't know what they offense is capable of after only two games. I think we'll have a better seeing how they do in the game after their bye. Now is a great time to buy low I think. Dropping seems ridiculous though.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I agree that dropping him is ridiculous, but that is mostly because his name value will still bring back something decent in trade from people who think they're buying low. IE, this thread.
Sometimes a buy low is actually a sell high. I think that's Jordy after looking at it closer. I bet he still brings in WR2 prices, but I doubt he's going to put up WR2 numbers ppg from here on out.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I'm not sure what Jordy will end up doing the rest of the year but I know that he's worth a sell low at least. Can't imagine anyone dropping him unless it's maybe an 8 team league.
Buy LOW
marvin jones if you can snag him still today... will likely be more expensive via waivers this week... golden tate spotted in a sling late last week at an event.
perhaps freeman, that offense has been poop but they still get NO twice in fantasy playoffs
CJ anderson, his schedule still sets up favorably... not as excited about him as i was last week as two stinkers in a row is concerning
keenan allen has somewhat favorable schedule ROS, a few bad matchups but several good ones.
maybe the derrick henry owner is at his wits end and needs help with henry on bye and not producing consistently... his fantasy playoff schedule is juicy weeks 15-16... if the price is right
Sell High
nothing really jumping out at me,
marvin jones if you can snag him still today... will likely be more expensive via waivers this week... golden tate spotted in a sling late last week at an event.
perhaps freeman, that offense has been poop but they still get NO twice in fantasy playoffs
CJ anderson, his schedule still sets up favorably... not as excited about him as i was last week as two stinkers in a row is concerning
keenan allen has somewhat favorable schedule ROS, a few bad matchups but several good ones.
maybe the derrick henry owner is at his wits end and needs help with henry on bye and not producing consistently... his fantasy playoff schedule is juicy weeks 15-16... if the price is right
Sell High
nothing really jumping out at me,
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Wonder if anyone is shopping Cooper. 200+ yards and 2 TD's AND still had the drops, or else he would have had 250-275!
Gandalf
Footballguy
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price has not dropped at all on fournette, unless there is intel he's up against a 4-5 week injury (sounds like he was close this week, should be back next week)
100% agree with all of this list.
I'd add 4 more buy lows.
Jordan Reed- TE is a barren wasteland, and his price has likely dropped so low, that he's worth a look. Worst case he's still a low-end TE1, best case he gets healthy, and is basically east coast Kelce. Helps that none of the WR's have stepped up at all. Cousins loves Reed.
Stefon Diggs- Was tearing up before he got hurt. I think the Vikings learned their lesson last year, and aren't rushing him back, only for him to re-injure himself. Was the overall WR1 when he got hurt, but with bye week crunches(including Diggs himself in week 9) I think some owners could be impatient.
Matt Ryan- I've seen people ask if he is a drop, and between their schedule and prior track record, I still think he's a top-10 guy going forward. He's likely played his worst already, and he hasn't been as awful as his numbers, just very unlucky.
Demaryius Thomas- He's a target monster on a team with very little else. He had a rough game yesterday, though the Chargers typically play well against #1 WR's. He's in my top-15 going forward, especially with Sanders out.
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
Why will they improve? Matt Moore isn't the second coming of anything. Sure they get Parker back but they had him for several games before he got hurt and Ajayi wasn't doing well in most of those games. I'd like to think they'll improve as I own Parker in a couple of leagues and Ajayi in one of them but I don't really see anything specific that I can point to as to why they would get better in the passing game. Their schedule thus far hasn't exactly been difficult: Chargers, Jets twice, NO, TEN, ATL. NO has played better this year but they aren't exactly the 85 Bears. As for upcoming schedule, they get two at BUF, CAR, DEN, KC that are as good or better than anyone they've faced thus far defensively. I'd say second half is tougher than first half as far as schedule. He certainly has underperformed and has definitely left himself room for improvement but don't see why I'd want to count on that.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Fair point. I just see Moore as much better than Cutler, and he will get Stills/Landry more involved. That should get the O going and get Ajayi more carries in the red zone. I never try and count out a RB with that much volume (17+ carries a week regardless of script) unless there's something wrong with him or the O is trending downward.
Like... yikes. He may not be the Second Coming, but he's better than Poutface Cutler by a longshot.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
the secret for Ajayi right now is the o-line. he should have been able to run on that Jets defense but can't with that o-line in disarray.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Owners panic from time to time on the bye week. If they lost without him last week and have a bad record already and without him this week, it's very possible to send a RB and another player. It happens often in my leagues, not saying Fournette but similar situations. Wouldn't say it's anything crazy. Just worth a shot.
he's had less than 10 pts the last three games in my 0.5ppr, and 4 out of last 5 games. it's not offer a WW player buy low, but you also might not have to pay low end WR1 pricing at the moment... past injury
whiskey7
Footballguy
sWith so few RB that are actually producing well, who in the heck is looking to sell a guy like Fournette? He's #3 or #4 in RB scoring in all of my leagues despite missing a game. PPG he's #2 or 3 behind only Gurley and Hunt. Obviously, if an owner feels he is injured worse than what is being reported I can listen to that argument but (otherwise) who is looking to sell a player like that? For whom?
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Sell - Doug Baldwin? Don't trust his usage in that offense one little bit and coming off a nice game
The last game he entered healthy he put up similar numbers. He’s a hold, in my opinion.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Could be, I Just think he's a bit up and down and inconsistent but maybe this is the start of something.
Wilson also slightly overthrew him yesterday on a play that should have gone for a 68 yard touchdown. Baldwin got so open there wasn’t another player within 15 yards of him.
No one is untradable, but I would only move him if I was trading up... aka AJ Green.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Didn't see very much of the game, just bits on red zone, so missed that. Good to know and get other opinions, thanks.
matttyl
Footballguy
I'd actually consider buying HIGH on Baldwin. Reasons:
* SEA can't run the ball worth a damn.
* Wilson is a 2nd half QB.
* Take a look at SEA's schedule. Sweet. Buying both Wilson and Baldwin could be a recipe for success.
I’m hoping... believe me! Haha
Thought I made a classic sell high/buy low trade a couple of weeks ago moving Hogan for K Allen, and still hoping that works in my favor (I have Gronk and didn’t like having 2 receivers on the same team).
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
By a longshot? His career numbers are just slightly worse than Cutler's pretty much across the board and the sample size is too small to compare this year's stats. The numbers are actually pretty close though so at best you get the status quo. I'm not going to define one half against the Jets as anything indicative of future performance. If you look at their possessions he didn't outplay Cutler.
Cutler had two TD drives, two drives killed by penalties, one by a pair of sacks, and one by interception when he was pinned by his own end zone. All three of Moore's scoring drives started inside the Jet's side of the field (NYJ 42, 49, 27) while Cutler's best field position was a start from MIA 30. He took them on longer drives and completed a higher percentage of his passes. Moore didn't outplay Cutler, the defense gave him a short field all three times he led scoring drives.
I agree with Saintfool that it depends all on line play. I don't know Miami's situation with their line so I don't know if there is reason to expect improvement there due to personnel coming back or getting healthy but I certainly don't see QB's, WR's, or schedule having anything to do with expecting improvements in the second half from Ajayi.
The Frankman
Footballguy
1) QB - There was a large community who felt Matt Moore should've been the starter out of camp. Keep in mind, Cutler was signed for familiarity to the Gase sysytem and they thought they'd get the good points of Chicago Cutler. Dude was borderline atrocious last few games. No amount of whitewashing covers that up.
2) WR - Parker will get healthy and Moore has shown he will spread targets around to Landry and Stills. Again, the offense will gradually improve from having to scuffle to not get shout out weekly.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I think Ajayi had turned in to a lesser RB..Id rather have Kamara and about 20 other RBs including Jones in GB.
You sell Matt Ryan ..the falcons offense is a dog that wont hunt.you probably sell Julio as well while he still has name brand value..
buy Crabtree. buy Cousins hes about to go on a tear. buy Jordan Reed.
buy D Foreman. buy Richard raiders RB. has a chance to be a 2nd half savior/Title winner.
buy Russell Wilson Sea gets better in nov and dec every year.
You sell Matt Ryan ..the falcons offense is a dog that wont hunt.you probably sell Julio as well while he still has name brand value..
buy Crabtree. buy Cousins hes about to go on a tear. buy Jordan Reed.
buy D Foreman. buy Richard raiders RB. has a chance to be a 2nd half savior/Title winner.
buy Russell Wilson Sea gets better in nov and dec every year.
tkrull
Footballguy
Reservoir Dog
Footballguy
QB's
Buy - Matt Ryan
I wouldn't pay a lot, but the schedule does get better (playoff matchups are salivating), and Julio is begging for the ball. I agree Sark is horrible, but I think they figure things out to a degree.
Sell - Deshaun Watson
I like Watson, but don't think he's as good as he is playing right now. DC's have seen his tape for a few weeks, expect things to get a little tougher going forward. There's guy in your league who'll over-pay for D-Wat.
RB's
Buy - Joe Mixon
It hasn't happened for him yet, but he's by far the most talented runner in Cincy. At some point I think they'll start feeding him a steady diet of footballs.
Buy - Marlon Mack
The Mack train is leaving the station... jump on board while the price is still reasonable!
Buy - Jay Ajayi
Ajayi's getting a lot of volume. Hasn't done anything with it yet, but the schedule is decent moving forward, and Matt Moore instantly upgrades the O over smokin' Jay.
Sell - Kareem Hunt
Since the first 2 games, Hunt has come back down to earth. I'm dangling Hunt where I own him... might be able to get a couple of good players in return.
Sell - Ezekiel Elliott
Coming off an amazing performance (and suspension looming), I see this as the perfect time to shop him. If I could get a couple solid players, I'm pulling the trigger.
Sell - Lamar Miller
Eventually the sink-hole on Bill O'Brien's chin will rupture, and suck Lamar Miller into the abyss. I'm bullish on Foreman... the better fit for the early down work.
WR's
Buy - Dez Bryant
I'm not a big fan of DB, but if Elliott gets suspended the offense will probably rely more on the passing attack. Dez hasn't blown up yet, so he could be reasonably priced.
Buy - Brandin Cooks
Other than one monster game, Cooks has been underwhelming. However, BC's getting more familiar with the offense, & NE must throw a LOT with that horrid D they have.
Buy - Stefon Diggs
It's possible the Digg's owner in your league forgot how great he was before the injury. It looks like he's trending toward returning this week.
Sell - Amari Cooper
This one is as obvious as it gets. Cooper had a wonderful match-up versus KC that he was able to exploit, but this guy still drops WAY too many balls. Get out NOW!
Sell - Will Fuller
Will Fuller's stat line on the season is borderline comical. 8 receptions, 154 yards, 5 TD's . If this doesn't scream REGRESSION, I don't know what does.
Sell - Larry Fitzgerald
Fitz hasn't been a good second half player in recent years, and just lost Palmer for 4-6 weeks. I'm looking to turn a profit here before the carriage turns back into a pumpkin.
Buy - Matt Ryan
I wouldn't pay a lot, but the schedule does get better (playoff matchups are salivating), and Julio is begging for the ball. I agree Sark is horrible, but I think they figure things out to a degree.
Sell - Deshaun Watson
I like Watson, but don't think he's as good as he is playing right now. DC's have seen his tape for a few weeks, expect things to get a little tougher going forward. There's guy in your league who'll over-pay for D-Wat.
RB's
Buy - Joe Mixon
It hasn't happened for him yet, but he's by far the most talented runner in Cincy. At some point I think they'll start feeding him a steady diet of footballs.
Buy - Marlon Mack
The Mack train is leaving the station... jump on board while the price is still reasonable!
Buy - Jay Ajayi
Ajayi's getting a lot of volume. Hasn't done anything with it yet, but the schedule is decent moving forward, and Matt Moore instantly upgrades the O over smokin' Jay.
Sell - Kareem Hunt
Since the first 2 games, Hunt has come back down to earth. I'm dangling Hunt where I own him... might be able to get a couple of good players in return.
Sell - Ezekiel Elliott
Coming off an amazing performance (and suspension looming), I see this as the perfect time to shop him. If I could get a couple solid players, I'm pulling the trigger.
Sell - Lamar Miller
Eventually the sink-hole on Bill O'Brien's chin will rupture, and suck Lamar Miller into the abyss. I'm bullish on Foreman... the better fit for the early down work.
WR's
Buy - Dez Bryant
I'm not a big fan of DB, but if Elliott gets suspended the offense will probably rely more on the passing attack. Dez hasn't blown up yet, so he could be reasonably priced.
Buy - Brandin Cooks
Other than one monster game, Cooks has been underwhelming. However, BC's getting more familiar with the offense, & NE must throw a LOT with that horrid D they have.
Buy - Stefon Diggs
It's possible the Digg's owner in your league forgot how great he was before the injury. It looks like he's trending toward returning this week.
Sell - Amari Cooper
This one is as obvious as it gets. Cooper had a wonderful match-up versus KC that he was able to exploit, but this guy still drops WAY too many balls. Get out NOW!
Sell - Will Fuller
Will Fuller's stat line on the season is borderline comical. 8 receptions, 154 yards, 5 TD's
. If this doesn't scream REGRESSION, I don't know what does.Sell - Larry Fitzgerald
Fitz hasn't been a good second half player in recent years, and just lost Palmer for 4-6 weeks. I'm looking to turn a profit here before the carriage turns back into a pumpkin.
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TZMarkie
Footballguy
I won't be dealing Julio in the one league I have him in. It would take an unbelievable offer. His schedule in the fantasy playoffs looks like this.
WEEK 14 - @HOME VS. SAINTS
WEEK 15 - @TB
WEEK 16 - @ NO SAINTS again
If the Falcons can get a few more wins by week 14, they will be in a situation fighting for the playoffs. (Not sure of their record off the top of my head, 3-3 maybe?)
Anyway, the point is, no matter how bad the offense has looked so far, there is a massive potential for shootouts in those weeks. Julio Jones is somewhere around WR32 in most formats, give or take a spot.
You certainly aren't going to get Antonio Brown or something, and take a look around, almost all the big name WRs are either under performing, or are outright hurt. I guess I am trying to say, I don't see who you can move him for, that has the same upside come FF playoff time.
You said Cousins is about to go on a tear. Well I hope you are right sir. I have been getting nothing out of Mariota, in fact he has been a downright bust. (and I nabbed him in 3 of 4 leagues) I am in the unenviable position of pretty much depending on Cousins in 2 leagues to propel me to a playoff run. I know they are visiting Seattle in week 9, so I don't know about a tear there, but otherwise he does indeed have a few good matchups moving forward. In one league I have also grabbed Doctson as a WR3 where I am desperate because of byes and injuries.
I think Doctson was on the field more than T. Pryor this past week, and they may be moving more and more towards crowning Doctson as their "WR1".
I think he may be a great stash at this point, IF you can afford to roster him (and not play him yet) during the difficult bye weeks that are setting in.... but I realize some owners can't do that right now.
I don't know about him being a "league winner", but he may very well start cranking up solid production. I can see scenarios where he has WR2-ish production with TD upside, if things go right for him. Its certainly not like the Skins have had a bunch of play makers so far this season.
TZM
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Regarding selling Juilo... like what would it take to deal him? Would a low end RB1 + WR2 or low end WR1 + RB2 be enough? Let's say.... Alvin Kamara and Marvin Jones Jr.. Even that seems low.
Eights
Footballguy
Disagree completely! Every year Seattle starts off slow offensively due to our dismal O-Line, by mid Season Cable manages to band aid a serviceable line, Doug Baldwin is a buy low in my opinion as Seattle has a favorable remaining SOS and Wilson is finding his stride and will be forced to throw more until a RB steps up here.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I traded Zeke,Morris & Marvin Jones for Landry, Julio & D. Murray a couple weeks ago. I then moved Julio & Njoku for T. Hill & Ajayi.
The Frankman
Footballguy
That's a nice haul and turnaround. It's trying to do the same thing myself... but I'm weak at RB primarily so trying to get a top RB and a decent WR.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
No luck this week trying to buy a QB. Seems like every team is content with streaming from the two they have.
Any QB targets?
Any QB targets?
Reservoir Dog
Footballguy
I would never trade Hunt unless I got a nice haul in return. For example, in one of my leagues I was offered Michael Thomas/Mixon, for Hunt/Garcon. I countered Hunt/Moncrief, in exchange for Michael Thomas/Ingram.. and we had a deal. A little Saint heavy, but I like that combo much better moving forward. Since week 3 Hunt hasn't been a superstar.
