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What we all knew, actually happened...an "also-ran" led the team to victory, which has eluded Mr. Gabbert for a long time now. Henne almost won a shoot-out with the best team in the AFC the previous week, and followed that up with a sound victory over a divisional opponent. Personally, I've always had a soft-side for Henne, but I think it is clear, he will "have the opportunity to compete" with the Jax FA QB or top 3 pick QB...not sure which it will be. Regardless, is there any chance they try to salvage Gabbert? If not, is he cut outright? Also, has there been a time a top 10 QB has been given up on so quickly? I even think Leaf/Russell had more run than this...

 
Give Henne a couple more weeks, that sweet smell of success you are inhaling will be replaced with the sick vile stench of a rotting street alley rodent corpse.

 
Give Henne a couple more weeks, that sweet smell of success you are inhaling will be replaced with the sick vile stench of a rotting street alley rodent corpse.
He's better right now than Gabbert and was when he stepped foot in camp. Ownership and the GM have big ego's. Sacrificed the best man for the job for pride. Fail.
 
What we all knew, actually happened...an "also-ran" led the team to victory, which has eluded Mr. Gabbert for a long time now. Henne almost won a shoot-out with the best team in the AFC the previous week, and followed that up with a sound victory over a divisional opponent. Personally, I've always had a soft-side for Henne, but I think it is clear, he will "have the opportunity to compete" with the Jax FA QB or top 3 pick QB...not sure which it will be. Regardless, is there any chance they try to salvage Gabbert? If not, is he cut outright? Also, has there been a time a top 10 QB has been given up on so quickly? I even think Leaf/Russell had more run than this...
It's a lot easier to give up on top 10 picks these days because of the rookie cap. So it's not really fair to compare him to Leaf or Russell.
 
Henne is a stop gap, Gabbert will be backing up whoever they pick up in the draft at quarterback next year or if they go the way the Rams did and trade down he will be competing for the job against which ever free agent they bring in. Henne has shown flashes before with Miami but he never gets it. I doubt it clicked riding the pine for half a year.

 
Give Henne a couple more weeks, that sweet smell of success you are inhaling will be replaced with the sick vile stench of a rotting street alley rodent corpse.
He's better right now than Gabbert and was when he stepped foot in camp. Ownership and the GM have big ego's. Sacrificed the best man for the job for pride. Fail.
Gabbert clearly outplayed Henne in camp and preseason. In fact Jordan Palmer outplayed Henne in preseason as well, there was talk that the only reason Henne even made the roster was because of his big contract. On top of that Henne almost single-handedly lost the Oakland game when he first came in after the Gabbert injury. The game was 17-3 Jags when Blaine left and the Jags lost in overtime. Henne has looked good the last two weeks, but please do not revise history.
 
If Gene Smith is not shown the door (I sure hope he is), I think Gabbert remains on the roster. Mularkey's job might rest on the shoulders of Chad Henne, though.

I think the Jaguars quarterback of the future is not currently on the roster.

 
Give Henne a couple more weeks, that sweet smell of success you are inhaling will be replaced with the sick vile stench of a rotting street alley rodent corpse.
He's better right now than Gabbert and was when he stepped foot in camp. Ownership and the GM have big ego's. Sacrificed the best man for the job for pride. Fail.
Gabbert clearly outplayed Henne in camp and preseason. In fact Jordan Palmer outplayed Henne in preseason as well, there was talk that the only reason Henne even made the roster was because of his big contract. On top of that Henne almost single-handedly lost the Oakland game when he first came in after the Gabbert injury. The game was 17-3 Jags when Blaine left and the Jags lost in overtime. Henne has looked good the last two weeks, but please do not revise history.
You got me on preseason and in camp (I dont follow the Jags) but game tape doesnt lie. Gabbert shouldnt have been starting if the Jags were looking to win games. If Henne's contract was so big they wouldve cut him. Honestly asking why they brought him in to begin with?
 
If Gene Smith is not shown the door (I sure hope he is), I think Gabbert remains on the roster. Mularkey's job might rest on the shoulders of Chad Henne, though.I think the Jaguars quarterback of the future is not currently on the roster.
I do not think many Jaguars fans think Henne is the future. If he continues to play well it might change some minds but right now most fans seem to be waiting to to see what happens in the off season with the GM position and possibly the coaching staff. A new GM could mean a new head coach which might mean a new QB. The downside to that plan is that the draft does not seem to have a top tier QB prospect and none of the free agent QBs look to have an upside much if any better than Henne. Gabbert is cheap enough to hang around even if he does not win the starter job. Henne is likely coming back. The Jags might draft a QB(though I doubt in the first round). It looks like another rag-tag bunch of QBs going into camp next year, too.
 
Give Henne a couple more weeks, that sweet smell of success you are inhaling will be replaced with the sick vile stench of a rotting street alley rodent corpse.
He's better right now than Gabbert and was when he stepped foot in camp. Ownership and the GM have big ego's. Sacrificed the best man for the job for pride. Fail.
Gabbert clearly outplayed Henne in camp and preseason. In fact Jordan Palmer outplayed Henne in preseason as well, there was talk that the only reason Henne even made the roster was because of his big contract. On top of that Henne almost single-handedly lost the Oakland game when he first came in after the Gabbert injury. The game was 17-3 Jags when Blaine left and the Jags lost in overtime. Henne has looked good the last two weeks, but please do not revise history.
You got me on preseason and in camp (I dont follow the Jags) but game tape doesnt lie. Gabbert shouldnt have been starting if the Jags were looking to win games. If Henne's contract was so big they wouldve cut him. Honestly asking why they brought him in to begin with?
The Jaguars just signed Henne this past off season, he would have had to have been brutally awful for them to cut him and eat all of the guaranteed money. They signed him to compete with Gabbert and step in if Gabbert got hurt or benched. Henne had a shot at claiming the job when Gabbert got hurt early in the Oakland game, but Chad was terrible in relief so Gabbert kept his job. The next time Henne got the chance he played better, Gabbert reinjured his left shoulder versus the Colts and then injure his right elbow versus the Texans and here we are.

 
If Gene Smith is not shown the door (I sure hope he is), I think Gabbert remains on the roster. Mularkey's job might rest on the shoulders of Chad Henne, though.I think the Jaguars quarterback of the future is not currently on the roster.
I do not think many Jaguars fans think Henne is the future. If he continues to play well it might change some minds but right now most fans seem to be waiting to to see what happens in the off season with the GM position and possibly the coaching staff. A new GM could mean a new head coach which might mean a new QB. The downside to that plan is that the draft does not seem to have a top tier QB prospect and none of the free agent QBs look to have an upside much if any better than Henne. Gabbert is cheap enough to hang around even if he does not win the starter job. Henne is likely coming back. The Jags might draft a QB(though I doubt in the first round). It looks like another rag-tag bunch of QBs going into camp next year, too.
I'd agree with the majority of that, however, drafting a QB is an inexact science. Look at last year's draft. Newton, Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder were all first round choices drafted to be the future faces if their franchises. While the jury is still out, right now, it appears that the guy drafted in the second round has the most upside of them all. He wasn't nearly as highly regarded as those four. A franchise quarterback just might be available next April.
 
If Gene Smith is not shown the door (I sure hope he is), I think Gabbert remains on the roster. Mularkey's job might rest on the shoulders of Chad Henne, though.

I think the Jaguars quarterback of the future is not currently on the roster.
I do not think many Jaguars fans think Henne is the future. If he continues to play well it might change some minds but right now most fans seem to be waiting to to see what happens in the off season with the GM position and possibly the coaching staff. A new GM could mean a new head coach which might mean a new QB. The downside to that plan is that the draft does not seem to have a top tier QB prospect and none of the free agent QBs look to have an upside much if any better than Henne. Gabbert is cheap enough to hang around even if he does not win the starter job. Henne is likely coming back. The Jags might draft a QB(though I doubt in the first round). It looks like another rag-tag bunch of QBs going into camp next year, too.
I'd agree with the majority of that, however, drafting a QB is an inexact science. Look at last year's draft. Newton, Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder were all first round choices drafted to be the future faces if their franchises. While the jury is still out, right now, it appears that the guy drafted in the second round has the most upside of them all. He wasn't nearly as highly regarded as those four. A franchise quarterback just might be available next April.
I hope so. So far it looks like the Jaguars picked the wrong year to stink it up. Well, stink it up worse than normal.
 
If Gene Smith is not shown the door (I sure hope he is), I think Gabbert remains on the roster. Mularkey's job might rest on the shoulders of Chad Henne, though.

I think the Jaguars quarterback of the future is not currently on the roster.
I do not think many Jaguars fans think Henne is the future. If he continues to play well it might change some minds but right now most fans seem to be waiting to to see what happens in the off season with the GM position and possibly the coaching staff. A new GM could mean a new head coach which might mean a new QB. The downside to that plan is that the draft does not seem to have a top tier QB prospect and none of the free agent QBs look to have an upside much if any better than Henne. Gabbert is cheap enough to hang around even if he does not win the starter job. Henne is likely coming back. The Jags might draft a QB(though I doubt in the first round). It looks like another rag-tag bunch of QBs going into camp next year, too.
I'd agree with the majority of that, however, drafting a QB is an inexact science. Look at last year's draft. Newton, Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder were all first round choices drafted to be the future faces if their franchises. While the jury is still out, right now, it appears that the guy drafted in the second round has the most upside of them all. He wasn't nearly as highly regarded as those four. A franchise quarterback just might be available next April.
I hope so. So far it looks like the Jaguars picked the wrong year to stink it up. Well, stink it up worse than normal.
Problem has been, they were a consistent 6-8 win team in the past...now when they need a QB most (and will have a nice raft spot), there is no true front-runner...at this time in 2010, no one thought Cam would be as good as he has been, so there is hope, but it takes a good GM to understand when to select a good QB, and an even better one to know when to pass on one when the pressure is on. I just don't see how Gabbert stays if they go round one on a QB or get a guy like Flynn. I also don't see how they move Gabbert for a 6th/7th if a team like GB (just an example) is interested in a project...I almost feel they need to cut him outright, as the pressure on "what they got for him" would be unrealistic (and yes, I know something is better than nothing).
 
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If Gene Smith is not shown the door (I sure hope he is), I think Gabbert remains on the roster. Mularkey's job might rest on the shoulders of Chad Henne, though.

I think the Jaguars quarterback of the future is not currently on the roster.
I do not think many Jaguars fans think Henne is the future. If he continues to play well it might change some minds but right now most fans seem to be waiting to to see what happens in the off season with the GM position and possibly the coaching staff. A new GM could mean a new head coach which might mean a new QB. The downside to that plan is that the draft does not seem to have a top tier QB prospect and none of the free agent QBs look to have an upside much if any better than Henne. Gabbert is cheap enough to hang around even if he does not win the starter job. Henne is likely coming back. The Jags might draft a QB(though I doubt in the first round). It looks like another rag-tag bunch of QBs going into camp next year, too.
I'd agree with the majority of that, however, drafting a QB is an inexact science. Look at last year's draft. Newton, Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder were all first round choices drafted to be the future faces if their franchises. While the jury is still out, right now, it appears that the guy drafted in the second round has the most upside of them all. He wasn't nearly as highly regarded as those four. A franchise quarterback just might be available next April.
I hope so. So far it looks like the Jaguars picked the wrong year to stink it up. Well, stink it up worse than normal.
What's wrong with Matt Barkley? He's closer to Carson Palmer than Jamarcus.
 
Using a top ten pick to draft a 21 year old QB with fairly limited college experience and then giving up on him after 24 starts would be pretty dumb. I expect that's what the Jags will do.

 
'wdcrob said:
Using a top ten pick to draft a 21 year old QB with fairly limited college experience and then giving up on him after 24 starts would be pretty dumb. I expect that's what the Jags will do.
I agree in theory, but you also have to get in the mind of these kids...and they are kids. We forget that they are just babies in the game of life, and while some enter the league with more maturity than any of us will have at age 50 (think Peyton), there are guys who don't necessarily have ten cent heads, but are just not ready to have 300lb men try to take their heads off on Day 1. Doesn't make them bad QBs, but they need to be coddled...and that is not a bad hing. I remember and interview (quite vividly) where Rodgers made a comment about Favre taking time off in the camps because his wife was battling cancer...21 year-old Rodgers said something along the lines of "well, we would love him here, but I guess he needs to take care of family"...29 year-old Rodgers would have likely said, " Of course....done deal. No matter if he is person 1 or person 52 on this roster, that comes first...pretty dumb question".Rodgers had a barrier, one that Gabbert never got. Imagine if in the early 2000s, David Carr went to the "other Texas team"...sure, there would have been other pressures, but running for his life would not have been one of them. We really have never seen what Carr "could" have been, because the team mortgaged the future on a LT that never suited up one game for the franchise (Boselli). Carr was ruined...not saying he would have not been bad, just that we never got the real guy. I think Gabbert is in the same predicament, and I think they really do need to give up on him. Not because it is about protecting him, but because he is "burned" there, and they will never get what they invested out of him.
 
'JaxBill said:
'Mentos said:
'money.never.sleeps said:
'Mentos said:
Tim Tebow should be traded there.
why? To sell some tickets.. yes.. To play QB.. Nope. He's not very good.
Are Henne or Gabbert any good? I would like to see a team build an offense around Tebow. He has had some success already. Have Henne or Gabbert? Nope.
If by "some success" you mean holding Eric Decker and Demariyus Thomas under 150 yards receiving a game combined then, yes.
If by success, you mean fantasty stats, then no...Tebow didn't have that. If you mean wins and losses, then that is debatable.
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Give Henne a couple more weeks, that sweet smell of success you are inhaling will be replaced with the sick vile stench of a rotting street alley rodent corpse.
XHenne is a good qb with a good arm. Just because a few superstars can come in and play immediately at the QB position, doesnt mean that a young QB who struggles in a frankly crappy offense under a crappy regime is "done".I think Henne is a good buy low candidate. I also think that Blaine Gabbert has the tools to be a very good NFL QB, but is not quite ready yet.It wasnt a decade ago when these guys wouldnt have even seen the field yet, save replacing a injured veteran QB they were being gromed behind.
 
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Blaine is still just 23 and RG3 is only starting QB that is younger. Gabbert was put into a very difficult situation and had a horrific rookie season. But he is improving.

50.8%, 5.4 YPA, 65.4 QB rating - 2011 stats

54.8%, 5.5 YPA, 73.3 QB rating - First 5 games of 2012

62.1%, 6.5 YPA, 81.8 QB rating - Last 5 games of 2012

Over his last five games his completion percentage was up over 11% of his 2011 stats, his YPA up over a full yard and QB rating up over 16 points. He is still clearly not close to good enough but when a young QB is making progress it is a dangerous move to give up on him. Combine that with the fact that the Jaguars faced the toughest schedule in the NFL over the first ten games and he has been battling a torn labrum. I do not see close to enough reason to bail on him this point.

It is unlikely that he will ever develop into a franchise type QB, but even if there is a small chance you do not cut ties with a guy while he is still improving. That said, the Jags might just do what you are suggesting. Henne comes in when the Jaguars are facing the easiest last 6 games in the NFL and I expect he will continue to look good, get the fans excited and the Jaguars might part ways with Gabbert. Just another chapter in the ridiculous mismanagement of the QB position in Jacksonville.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Give Henne a couple more weeks, that sweet smell of success you are inhaling will be replaced with the sick vile stench of a rotting street alley rodent corpse.
XHenne is a good qb with a good arm. Just because a few superstars can come in and play immediately at the QB position, doesnt mean that a young QB who struggles in a frankly crappy offense under a crappy regime is "done".I think Henne is a good buy low candidate. I also think that Blaine Gabbert has the tools to be a very good NFL QB, but is not quite ready yet.It wasnt a decade ago when these guys wouldnt have even seen the field yet, save replacing a injured veteran QB they were being gromed behind.
The schedule gives Henne a good shot at looking like a hero over the rest of the season. First 10 games: MIN, HOU, IND, CIN, CHI, OAK, GB, DET, IND, HOULast 6 games: TEN, BUF, NYJ, MIA, NE, TEN
 
'wdcrob said:
Using a top ten pick to draft a 21 year old QB with fairly limited college experience and then giving up on him after 24 starts would be pretty dumb. I expect that's what the Jags will do.
hanging on to him longer would be a lot dumber. hes one of the worst qbs of all time to get that many starts.
 
'Mentos said:
'money.never.sleeps said:
'Mentos said:
Tim Tebow should be traded there.
why? To sell some tickets.. yes.. To play QB.. Nope. He's not very good.
Are Henne or Gabbert any good? I would like to see a team build an offense around Tebow. He has had some success already. Have Henne or Gabbert? Nope.
Problem with Tebow is that you need a coach and GM that want to play around his style which isnt typical in today's NFL. Not many coaches want to take the risk because it could get them fired. Mularkey didnt want Tebow for a reason. May not matter if he cant put up something encouraging on the field after next year.
 
'JaxBill said:
'Mentos said:
'money.never.sleeps said:
'Mentos said:
Tim Tebow should be traded there.
why? To sell some tickets.. yes.. To play QB.. Nope. He's not very good.
Are Henne or Gabbert any good? I would like to see a team build an offense around Tebow. He has had some success already. Have Henne or Gabbert? Nope.
If by "some success" you mean holding Eric Decker and Demariyus Thomas under 150 yards receiving a game combined then, yes.
If by success, you mean fantasty stats, then no...Tebow didn't have that. If you mean wins and losses, then that is debatable.
Problem using the "wins" criteria for a qb you have guys like me saying well Rex Grossman-esque qb's are out there. If tebow can't supplant Sanchez........tells you all u need to know about the NFL view on him. That and after what he did for Denver elway sent him away for a bag of football bats
 
'wdcrob said:
Using a top ten pick to draft a 21 year old QB with fairly limited college experience and then giving up on him after 24 starts would be pretty dumb. I expect that's what the Jags will do.
hanging on to him longer would be a lot dumber. hes one of the worst qbs of all time to get that many starts.
They shouldn't start him but he shouldn't be cut since he's making backup money. Who knows, maybe in a year or two he gets a lot better.
 
'wdcrob said:
Using a top ten pick to draft a 21 year old QB with fairly limited college experience and then giving up on him after 24 starts would be pretty dumb. I expect that's what the Jags will do.
hanging on to him longer would be a lot dumber. hes one of the worst qbs of all time to get that many starts.
They shouldn't start him but he shouldn't be cut since he's making backup money. Who knows, maybe in a year or two he gets a lot better.
def agree he should not be cut. he looks to have an excellent shot at being a serviceable backup for a long period.
 
Gabbert get's one more year in 2013 to develop.

I don't think the Jag's are cutting bait just yet.

 
'money.never.sleeps said:
'Mentos said:
Tim Tebow should be traded there.
why? To sell some tickets.. yes.. To play QB.. Nope. He's not very good.
How about to win games? He does pretty well at that.
I'll play devil's advocate on this one.. Tebow won games but for him to be successful on the Jaguars they'll need a sound Oline (?), good running game (back) (☑), defense capable of limiting teams offensively along with a pass rush (?), and sound special teams (?) Tebow would also need a coach that will revolve the team around him (scheme, personnel, etc.) which isnt going to happen in Jacksonville with Mularkey as HC. The Broncos were successful because they had a good running game, played field position strength, were good on special teams, and the oppositions offense was regularly put into potential drives that would be long yardage wise while having to use the clock...(Broncos used a lot of clock also) Defense got pressure and you can see why the Broncos would eek out games. It wasnt pretty but I'll give them credit.. they won. Only coach I can see right now that would want Tebow as his starter would be the guy who drafted him (Mcdaniels)
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Give Henne a couple more weeks, that sweet smell of success you are inhaling will be replaced with the sick vile stench of a rotting street alley rodent corpse.
XHenne is a good qb with a good arm. Just because a few superstars can come in and play immediately at the QB position, doesnt mean that a young QB who struggles in a frankly crappy offense under a crappy regime is "done".I think Henne is a good buy low candidate. I also think that Blaine Gabbert has the tools to be a very good NFL QB, but is not quite ready yet.It wasnt a decade ago when these guys wouldnt have even seen the field yet, save replacing a injured veteran QB they were being gromed behind.
Oof, whatever the question, Henne is not the answer. He's a good backup that can keep a team competitive but is not a difference maker and will lose games by himself on occasion. He's what Gabbert can only hope to be.
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Give Henne a couple more weeks, that sweet smell of success you are inhaling will be replaced with the sick vile stench of a rotting street alley rodent corpse.
XHenne is a good qb with a good arm. Just because a few superstars can come in and play immediately at the QB position, doesnt mean that a young QB who struggles in a frankly crappy offense under a crappy regime is "done".I think Henne is a good buy low candidate. I also think that Blaine Gabbert has the tools to be a very good NFL QB, but is not quite ready yet.It wasnt a decade ago when these guys wouldnt have even seen the field yet, save replacing a injured veteran QB they were being gromed behind.
Oof, whatever the question, Henne is not the answer. He's a good backup that can keep a team competitive but is not a difference maker and will lose games by himself on occasion. He's what Gabbert can only hope to be.
Myopia is omnipresent in FF circles.
 
Henne's problems entering the league are the same as they are now, zero development. At this point in his career it's safe to assume he is what he has been, if his issues haven't been corrected by now then they aren't going to be. A new GM risking his neck on that slim chance he's a late-late-late-late bloomer won't be a GM for long.

 

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