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[Giantseasonticketholder]

I don't like this one bit.

 

[Bogart]

Can the Yanks just go ahead and sign Manny and Tex and we can call it a Hot Stove season over?

 

[blackjack23]

Oof. I wouldve rather the Yanks sign Sheets to a 2 yr deal as hes a better pitcher (although a bit more risky). Burnett is dominant when healthy but thats not often. Instead of spending that much on Burnett they shouldve went with Tex.

 

[Finless]

They managed to lock him up for just 16.5 over 5...pretty strong move. Pennies on the dollar if you ask me.

 

[blackjack23]

Can the Yanks just go ahead and sign Manny and Tex and we can call it a Hot Stove season over?

Yanks had 88mil come off the books in 2009. They spent around 50 of that so far.

 

[blackjack23]

Yanks are the anti-Sox

 

[TLEF316]

barf

 

[Michael Brown]

Yanks are the anti-Sox

The Sox wanted him too, albeit for a lot less than $82.5 million. Let's chalk this up to the latest example of Cashman saving Theo from making a horrible decision (Vazquez, Contreras, A-Rod). Now, Boston will probably get Sheets or Lowe and they'll win the next 2 Cy Young awards.

 

[David Yudkin]

Yanks are the anti-Sox

The Sox wanted him too, albeit for a lot less than $82.5 million. Let's chalk this up to the latest example of Cashman saving Theo from making a horrible decision (Vazquez, Contreras, A-Rod). Now, Boston will probably get Sheets or Lowe and they'll win the next 2 Cy Young awards.

Sox were talking to Smoltz, Penny, and Pettitte. Lowe . . . not so much. From all I've seen, they have not made an offer to Lowe.

 

[INRIhab]

Interesting note from Rotoworld: Burnett has made 30 starts only twice in his career ... both of those years were contract years.

 

[Finless]

Can the Yanks just go ahead and sign Manny and Tex and we can call it a Hot Stove season over?

Yanks had 88mil come off the books in 2009. They spent around 50 of that so far.

The $230M payroll?LOFL

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Interesting note from Rotoworld: Burnett has made 30 starts only twice in his career ... both of those years were contract years.

That is interesting.

 

[Dreamer]

Can the Yanks just go ahead and sign Manny and Tex and we can call it a Hot Stove season over?

Tex is next.

 

[blackjack23]

Yanks are the anti-Sox

The Sox wanted him too, albeit for a lot less than $82.5 million. Let's chalk this up to the latest example of Cashman saving Theo from making a horrible decision (Vazquez, Contreras, A-Rod). Now, Boston will probably get Sheets or Lowe and they'll win the next 2 Cy Young awards.

Only thing that would make me feel good is if Sox now sign Lowe. PS: Im sick of the Yanks making these horrible decisions. I cant wait to see a 37 yr old AJ Burnett

 

[blackjack23]

Can the Yanks just go ahead and sign Manny and Tex and we can call it a Hot Stove season over?

Yanks had 88mil come off the books in 2009. They spent around 50 of that so far.

The $230M payroll?LOFL

No question its much higher than anyone else's but I dont think its that high. Its gotta be around 180 right now.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I"m not entirely down on this signing, but I agree with the above that I'd have rather gambled less dollars and years on Sheets.

This is one year too much, 4 for 60 would have been great(if you look at the market as Silva signing at 4 for 48 2 years ago).

So you extend it to 5 for 82, not great, but we'll see.

All I can think if you're Cashman is, this better work.

 

[strykerpks]

Interesting note from a Milwaukee paper

That means the Yankees have spent more than $240 million to sign pitchers CC Sabathia and Burnett. As a point of reference, owner Mark Attanasio paid $233 million for the entire Brewers Franchise

 

[blackjack23]

On paper this is a scary rotation:

Sabathia

Burnett

Wang

Chamberlain

one of Pettitte, Sheets, or Hughes

But we all know it wont work out like that

 

[LTsharks]

Yanks are the anti-Sox

The Sox wanted him too, albeit for a lot less than $82.5 million. Let's chalk this up to the latest example of Cashman saving Theo from making a horrible decision (Vazquez, Contreras, A-Rod). Now, Boston will probably get Sheets or Lowe and they'll win the next 2 Cy Young awards.

Only thing that would make me feel good is if Sox now sign Lowe. PS: Im sick of the Yanks making these horrible decisions. I cant wait to see a 37 yr old AJ Burnett

why not, he will be a free agent again before he turns 37. (ok, one year probably doesn't change your point)last 4 years average:

28 starts

183 innings

181 strikeouts

era: around 3.8

if you are the Yanks you sign up for that over the next 4 years in a heart beat. the thing i don't like the most is that the two years with the most innings are the two when he was going to be a free agent. makes you wonder.

 

[Capella]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.

Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

 

[Thunderlips]

They got the money. They can afford it. More power to them.

 

[blackjack23]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Last I checked Yanks dont have good prospects like that. What are they supposed to do in the meantime?

 

[Capella]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Last I checked Yanks dont have good prospects like that. What are they supposed to do in the meantime?

Keep signing mediocre players to huge contracts I guess. This is a cycle Rays and Red Sox fans want to see continue, I can assure you.It's literally incomprehensible that someone could think giving AJ ####ing Burnett that sort of contract was a good idea.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I don't like this one bit.

Unfortunately, Burnett experienced soreness in his shoulder signing the contract and had to be placed on the 15 day DL retroactive from Thursday.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Last I checked Yanks dont have good prospects like that. What are they supposed to do in the meantime?

Keep signing mediocre players to huge contracts I guess. This is a cycle Rays and Red Sox fans want to see continue, I can assure you.It's literally incomprehensible that someone could think giving AJ ####ing Burnett that sort of contract was a good idea.

Sabathia is a former CY Young Award Winner...how is that mediocre?

 

[Capella]

I was referring to AJ.

 

[blackjack23]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Last I checked Yanks dont have good prospects like that. What are they supposed to do in the meantime?

Keep signing mediocre players to huge contracts I guess. This is a cycle Rays and Red Sox fans want to see continue, I can assure you.It's literally incomprehensible that someone could think giving AJ ####ing Burnett that sort of contract was a good idea.

Are you really calling Sabathia & Burnett mediocre?

 

[Sammy3469]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Everyone keeps saying the Yankees will be uber-flush with cash, but believe me, their having a hell of a time selling their $500 and $350 club seats and some of the luxury boxes. With the way Wall Street is right now, believe me that there a whole lot of people reigning in spending, bigtime. It will hurt them at some point. Maybe not this year since they've gotten a good chunk of the Year 1 $$$ already, but mark my word, things will be a lot different Year 2 when a whole host of people default on their club "contracts". Just look at today, $50 billion went poof to the fairy $$$ mother in the biggest Ponzi scheme in history with the vast majority of that being people from NY and South Fla...and that doesn't even get into the fact that every hedge fund is getting huge redemptions (nevermind the fact that half of Wall Street is looking for jobs).Oh and that doesn't even get into this new giveaway to Steinbrenner's in a $300 million dollar municipal deal that needs to get done to fully fund their cost overruns of the new stadium that requires Congressional approval. I can just see some Senator putting the kibosh on that in this environment.

 

[Thunderlips]

I don't like this one bit.

Unfortunately, Burnett experienced soreness in his shoulder signing the contract and had to be placed on the 15 day DL retroactive from Thursday.

LOL.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

I don't like this one bit.

Unfortunately, Burnett experienced soreness in his shoulder signing the contract and had to be placed on the 15 day DL retroactive from Thursday.

LOL.

Now that's funny!

 

[The Ghost of Common]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Last I checked Yanks dont have good prospects like that. What are they supposed to do in the meantime?

Keep signing mediocre players to huge contracts I guess. This is a cycle Rays and Red Sox fans want to see continue, I can assure you.It's literally incomprehensible that someone could think giving AJ ####ing Burnett that sort of contract was a good idea.

Are you really calling Sabathia & Burnett mediocre?

Hey Einstein - see the post above yours where he says hes talking about Burnett.

 

[awesomeness]

over/under for games started by Burnett in 2009 at 24.5. I'm taking the under.

 

[Finless]

over/under for games started by Burnett in 2009 at 24.5. I'm taking the under.

You've obviously never been a oddsmaker 17.5That oughtta draw even action

 

[Wrigley]

over/under for games started by Burnett in 2009 at 24.5. I'm taking the under.

You've obviously never been a oddsmaker 17.5That oughtta draw even action

I'll take the under 24.5 and over 17.5........although I think it's closer to 17.5Winner winner chicken dinner

 

[Michael Brown]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Last I checked Yanks dont have good prospects like that. What are they supposed to do in the meantime?

Keep signing mediocre players to huge contracts I guess. This is a cycle Rays and Red Sox fans want to see continue, I can assure you.It's literally incomprehensible that someone could think giving AJ ####ing Burnett that sort of contract was a good idea.

Are you really calling Sabathia & Burnett mediocre?

Hey Einstein - see the post above yours where he says hes talking about Burnett.

Hey Hawking - see the part of the post where Capella says mediocre playerS, plural. We know what Cappy meant, but it's not incomprehensible to originally think he was referring to more than one guy.

 

[Reaper]

SCHWEEEEEETTTTT!!!!!!

Now sign Tex, and lets roll...

Yankees are SAVING Boatloads this year and people are still wetting their pants.

 

[Thunderlips]

Burnett....million dollar arm...ten cent head. Sometimes these guys turn themselves around. Say what you want about Burnett....but his regular season numbers compare with Josh Becketts.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

Burnett....million dollar arm...ten cent head. Sometimes these guys turn themselves around. Say what you want about Burnett....but his regular season numbers compare with Josh Becketts.

Burnett walks too many people. If he can cut that down, he'd probably save a little wear on the arm and maybe wouldn't miss so many starts. The Yankees HAVE to get 200 innings out of this guy this year.A rotation of CC, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte and Hughes (I'd like to see them sign Sheets too) is pretty good. I think Andy will come back and have a better season than last. The bullpen should be in better shape than last season too. Joba and Mo makes it a 7 inning game and CC and Wang should get you there most nights. I believe they can find a lot of outs between Bruney/Marte/Veras as well.

 

[Thunderlips]

Burnett....million dollar arm...ten cent head. Sometimes these guys turn themselves around. Say what you want about Burnett....but his regular season numbers compare with Josh Becketts.

Burnett walks too many people. If he can cut that down, he'd probably save a little wear on the arm and maybe wouldn't miss so many starts. The Yankees HAVE to get 200 innings out of this guy this year.A rotation of CC, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte and Hughes (I'd like to see them sign Sheets too) is pretty good. I think Andy will come back and have a better season than last. The bullpen should be in better shape than last season too. Joba and Mo makes it a 7 inning game and CC and Wang should get you there most nights. I believe they can find a lot of outs between Bruney/Marte/Veras as well.

Objectively speaking....I think the Yankees would have been better off signing Sheets to a 2 year deal and throwing the Burnett money after Texiera. Burnett has pitched well againt the the AL East though. the 200 innings is a given though....they need that from him. If he does that....their pitching will be on par with anyone in MLB.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

Burnett....million dollar arm...ten cent head. Sometimes these guys turn themselves around. Say what you want about Burnett....but his regular season numbers compare with Josh Becketts.

Burnett walks too many people. If he can cut that down, he'd probably save a little wear on the arm and maybe wouldn't miss so many starts. The Yankees HAVE to get 200 innings out of this guy this year.A rotation of CC, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte and Hughes (I'd like to see them sign Sheets too) is pretty good. I think Andy will come back and have a better season than last. The bullpen should be in better shape than last season too. Joba and Mo makes it a 7 inning game and CC and Wang should get you there most nights. I believe they can find a lot of outs between Bruney/Marte/Veras as well.

Objectively speaking....I think the Yankees would have been better off signing Sheets to a 2 year deal and throwing the Burnett money after Texiera. Burnett has pitched well againt the the AL East though. the 200 innings is a given though....they need that from him. If he does that....their pitching will be on par with anyone in MLB.

That's a big IF. I agree with Sheets. 2 years is nothing. One thing in AJ's favor is, he has done it in the AL East whereas Sheets has dealt with the NL Central.

 

[David Yudkin]

This is one of those flyer type signings that in the past hasn't worked out for the Yanks . . . the sign-a-guy-off-a-career-year type that looks good up front if thins work out. Sorta like having an opened ended straight draw. If you hit you're card then great. If not, meh.

Burnett has averaged 137 IP over his career. Depending upon who retires or not, his career WHIP and ERA+ scores are right around 20th best of active starters. His K/9 is in the Top 10 of active pitchers. So all that looks good on paper . . . if he stays healthy and can handle playing in NY. (I'm guessing playing in FLA and TOR is different than in the Big Apple.)

 

[blackjack23]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Last I checked Yanks dont have good prospects like that. What are they supposed to do in the meantime?

Keep signing mediocre players to huge contracts I guess. This is a cycle Rays and Red Sox fans want to see continue, I can assure you.It's literally incomprehensible that someone could think giving AJ ####ing Burnett that sort of contract was a good idea.

Are you really calling Sabathia & Burnett mediocre?

Hey Einstein - see the post above yours where he says hes talking about Burnett.

Hey Hawking - see the part of the post where Capella says mediocre playerS, plural. We know what Cappy meant, but it's not incomprehensible to originally think he was referring to more than one guy.

at Yankees fan coming to Yankees fan defense. You guys crack me up.Way over your head guy - step out of the thread now. This one's not good for you.Cappy clarified BEFORE the question was asked. That's why I bagged on the question. Surely even you can grasp chronological order and the english language?Let me break it down for you.Poster: Burnett and Sabbathia mediocre???Cappy: I was referring to BurnettYour Yankee Fan Brother there: You're calling Burnett and Sabathia mediocre?Follow the bouncing ball chief....or maybe not.

Wow that Einstein comment I made a few days ago mustve really stung.

 

[blackjack23]

This is one of those flyer type signings that in the past hasn't worked out for the Yanks . . . the sign-a-guy-off-a-career-year type that looks good up front if thins work out. Sorta like having an opened ended straight draw. If you hit you're card then great. If not, meh.Burnett has averaged 137 IP over his career. Depending upon who retires or not, his career WHIP and ERA+ scores are right around 20th best of active starters. His K/9 is in the Top 10 of active pitchers. So all that looks good on paper . . . if he stays healthy and can handle playing in NY. (I'm guessing playing in FLA and TOR is different than in the Big Apple.)

I agree 100%. Calling the guy mediocre is asinine. Hes one of the more dominant pitchers in the league. BUT he gets hurt alot and hes 32 yrs old. THATS why its a horrible contract. But of course I hope Im wrong.

 

[TLEF316]

Burnett....million dollar arm...ten cent head. Sometimes these guys turn themselves around. Say what you want about Burnett....but his regular season numbers compare with Josh Becketts.

Burnett walks too many people. If he can cut that down, he'd probably save a little wear on the arm and maybe wouldn't miss so many starts. The Yankees HAVE to get 200 innings out of this guy this year.A rotation of CC, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte and Hughes (I'd like to see them sign Sheets too) is pretty good. I think Andy will come back and have a better season than last. The bullpen should be in better shape than last season too. Joba and Mo makes it a 7 inning game and CC and Wang should get you there most nights. I believe they can find a lot of outs between Bruney/Marte/Veras as well.

Cashman has already stated that Joba will be in the rotation. So at this point (barring any more signings) we're looking at...SabathiaJobaWangBurnettHughesIf Hughes could even be a .500 pitcher and burnett stays healthy, thats a VERY good rotation. However, those are both big If's at this point. If Pettite accepts the 1 year deal, it might look a little better on paper. But Pettite is a 5 at best right now. I just think this Burnett thing could turn out to be as bad as Pavano. I'm incredibly nervous.

 

[iSnitch]

I hate the Yankees. But this was a good signing on their part.

 

[Capella]

I hate the Yankees. But this was a good signing on their part.

No, it wasn't at all. It's Pavano pt. II, maybe even worse.

 

[SKribbles]

As a Jays fan, thank you Cashman. AJ has killer stuff... every other start or so... when he is healthy.

 

[TLEF316]

I hate the Yankees. But this was a good signing on their part.

No, it wasn't at all. It's Pavano pt. II, maybe even worse.

cant be worse than Pavano. Thats impossible. The guy missed an entire season because he got a boo boo on his butt.If Burnett even pretends to care about getting on the mound, he's better than pavano.

 

[Thunderlips]

Burnett....million dollar arm...ten cent head. Sometimes these guys turn themselves around. Say what you want about Burnett....but his regular season numbers compare with Josh Becketts.

Burnett walks too many people. If he can cut that down, he'd probably save a little wear on the arm and maybe wouldn't miss so many starts. The Yankees HAVE to get 200 innings out of this guy this year.A rotation of CC, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte and Hughes (I'd like to see them sign Sheets too) is pretty good. I think Andy will come back and have a better season than last. The bullpen should be in better shape than last season too. Joba and Mo makes it a 7 inning game and CC and Wang should get you there most nights. I believe they can find a lot of outs between Bruney/Marte/Veras as well.

Cashman has already stated that Joba will be in the rotation. So at this point (barring any more signings) we're looking at...SabathiaJobaWangBurnettHughesIf Hughes could even be a .500 pitcher and burnett stays healthy, thats a VERY good rotation. However, those are both big If's at this point. If Pettite accepts the 1 year deal, it might look a little better on paper. But Pettite is a 5 at best right now. I just think this Burnett thing could turn out to be as bad as Pavano. I'm incredibly nervous.

....on all fronts. The money and contract length isn't an issue with the Yanks...so I don't know why people think that that would play into anything. If he underperforms for a couple of years they'll ship him out, eat a bit of the salary and go onto the next thing. If he's healthy and gives them 25-30 starts....that's the best rotation in baseball. As far as his injury risk goes.... there are alot of pitchers being counted on to regain form.

 

[Bojang0301]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Sonnanstine is going to be exposed before long. He is just not that good. But hey you are right though beats going out having to try to sign a guy like Burnett to try and correct your rotation.