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[Capella]

Sonnanstine is certainly no ace, but he has some of the best control in the league. He should be able to post above-average numbers for a #5 guy for a while.

He locked Boston up twice in September. Guy can pitch.

 

[the moops]

Burnett....million dollar arm...ten cent head. Sometimes these guys turn themselves around. Say what you want about Burnett....but his regular season numbers compare with Josh Becketts.

Burnett does not have the peak performance numbers that Beckett does.Burnett has not put up anything like Beckett's 2007 numbers. And, I know you were careful to say regular season numbers, but Beckett's incredible post season pitching clearly sets him apart from Burnett.

 

[Michael Brown]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Last I checked Yanks dont have good prospects like that. What are they supposed to do in the meantime?

Keep signing mediocre players to huge contracts I guess. This is a cycle Rays and Red Sox fans want to see continue, I can assure you.It's literally incomprehensible that someone could think giving AJ ####ing Burnett that sort of contract was a good idea.

Are you really calling Sabathia & Burnett mediocre?

Hey Einstein - see the post above yours where he says hes talking about Burnett.

Hey Hawking - see the part of the post where Capella says mediocre playerS, plural. We know what Cappy meant, but it's not incomprehensible to originally think he was referring to more than one guy.

at Yankees fan coming to Yankees fan defense. You guys crack me up.Way over your head guy - step out of the thread now. This one's not good for you.Cappy clarified BEFORE the question was asked. That's why I bagged on the question. Surely even you can grasp chronological order and the english language?Let me break it down for you.Poster: Burnett and Sabbathia mediocre???Cappy: I was referring to BurnettYour Yankee Fan Brother there: You're calling Burnett and Sabathia mediocre?Follow the bouncing ball chief....or maybe not.

Wow, I can see you're going to be a valuable contributor to the site.Anyway, blackjack's comment came 8 minutes after Cappy's. So I'll restate that it's not inconceivable that he wouldn't have read the comment directly above his before posting. On a message board that has frequent posts popping up every couple of minutes, that's going to happen now and then.Poster: Burnett and Sabathia mediocre???Cappy: I was referring to BurnettBlackjack: You're calling Burnett and Sabathia mediocre? (This post went up 8 minutes later than the Cappy post...which means it's entirely possible that when he opened the thread, Cappy hadn't posted his clarification yet. Blackjack hit quote/reply to respond to the initial comment without having seen the one about Burnett. While Blackjack was reading the thread and/or posting his own response, Capella had clarified in the meantime. Then, the two posts show up one after the other and you decide to sarcastically chastise him for no apparent reason.)So now am I following the bouncing ball yet, chief?

 

[blackjack23]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Last I checked Yanks dont have good prospects like that. What are they supposed to do in the meantime?

Keep signing mediocre players to huge contracts I guess. This is a cycle Rays and Red Sox fans want to see continue, I can assure you.It's literally incomprehensible that someone could think giving AJ ####ing Burnett that sort of contract was a good idea.

Are you really calling Sabathia & Burnett mediocre?

Hey Einstein - see the post above yours where he says hes talking about Burnett.

Hey Hawking - see the part of the post where Capella says mediocre playerS, plural. We know what Cappy meant, but it's not incomprehensible to originally think he was referring to more than one guy.

at Yankees fan coming to Yankees fan defense. You guys crack me up.Way over your head guy - step out of the thread now. This one's not good for you.Cappy clarified BEFORE the question was asked. That's why I bagged on the question. Surely even you can grasp chronological order and the english language?Let me break it down for you.Poster: Burnett and Sabbathia mediocre???Cappy: I was referring to BurnettYour Yankee Fan Brother there: You're calling Burnett and Sabathia mediocre?Follow the bouncing ball chief....or maybe not.

Wow, I can see you're going to be a valuable contributor to the site.Anyway, blackjack's comment came 8 minutes after Cappy's. So I'll restate that it's not inconceivable that he wouldn't have read the comment directly above his before posting. On a message board that has frequent posts popping up every couple of minutes, that's going to happen now and then.Poster: Burnett and Sabathia mediocre???Cappy: I was referring to BurnettBlackjack: You're calling Burnett and Sabathia mediocre? (This post went up 8 minutes later than the Cappy post...which means it's entirely possible that when he opened the thread, Cappy hadn't posted his clarification yet. Blackjack hit quote/reply to respond to the initial comment without having seen the one about Burnett. While Blackjack was reading the thread and/or posting his own response, Capella had clarified in the meantime. Then, the two posts show up one after the other and you decide to sarcastically chastise him for no apparent reason.)So now am I following the bouncing ball yet, chief?

BTW this is EXACTLY what happened.I wouldnt worry too much MB. I made the Einstein comment to him 2 days ago and apparently it stung worse then I thought cuz it looks like hes been waiting for any excuse to use it back on me. I didnt realize how much it hurt him. Sorry Ghost.

 

[awesomeness]

This is one of those flyer type signings that in the past hasn't worked out for the Yanks . . . the sign-a-guy-off-a-career-year type that looks good up front if thins work out. Sorta like having an opened ended straight draw. If you hit you're card then great. If not, meh.

Burnett has averaged 137 IP over his career. Depending upon who retires or not, his career WHIP and ERA+ scores are right around 20th best of active starters. His K/9 is in the Top 10 of active pitchers. So all that looks good on paper . . . if he stays healthy and can handle playing in NY. (I'm guessing playing in FLA and TOR is different than in the Big Apple.)

I dont think Burnett will be able to handle playing in NY for long. He saluted the crowd in Toronto for booing him after a bad start. And that was with just 20,000-25,000 fans at the game.

 

[Oof!]

Stupid Yankees.

 

[cobalt_27]

Stupid Yankees.

They basically resigned Carl Pavano for another $80mil.Of course, why on earth would they want to invest in Teixeira when they already have Nick Swisher at 1B?Not really sure what interests them in Mike Cameron. Perhaps with the way the economy is going, hitting .240 and striking out 150x per season is a good bargain these days. The Yanks are, as usual, making it very difficult to get excited about and enjoy this team.

 

[iSnitch]

Who cares how much the guy cost them? It's the Yankees. Rays fans look ridiculous bragging how much their guys cost vs. how much NY spent. I absolutely despise the Yankees but I'm not naive enough to think money matters to this team. They're a better team than last year and they've lowered their payroll.

I've got no bias as I'm simply an A's fan who wants Furcal with the team already.

 

[cobalt_27]

Who cares how much the guy cost them? It's the Yankees. Rays fans look ridiculous bragging how much their guys cost vs. how much NY spent. I absolutely despise the Yankees but I'm not naive enough to think money matters to this team. They're a better team than last year and they've lowered their payroll.I've got no bias as I'm simply an A's fan who wants Furcal with the team already.

Because there is a limit, and that limit does matter. For instance, they've chosen to go with Carl Pavano II (aka Burnett) instead of filling a desperate need at 1B with Mark Teixeira. Resources spent on CPII are squandered when they could have had one a switch-hitting All-Star filling an enormous positional need.That's why.

 

[blackjack23]

Who cares how much the guy cost them? It's the Yankees. Rays fans look ridiculous bragging how much their guys cost vs. how much NY spent. I absolutely despise the Yankees but I'm not naive enough to think money matters to this team. They're a better team than last year and they've lowered their payroll.I've got no bias as I'm simply an A's fan who wants Furcal with the team already.

Because there is a limit, and that limit does matter. For instance, they've chosen to go with Carl Pavano II (aka Burnett) instead of filling a desperate need at 1B with Mark Teixeira. Resources spent on CPII are squandered when they could have had one a switch-hitting All-Star filling an enormous positional need.That's why.

For once I agree with you

 

[Capella]

It's not the money, it's the opportunity lost. Both on neglecting a better player (if they don't get Tex) and down the road, all the failed starts Burnett is going to make that could have went to Kennedy or Hughes or another young guy.

Or a FA pitcher they could have signed next year or the year after that they'll pass up on because they'll be singing the "AJ is healthy and is going to be really good this year" line you'll be hearing for the next four off-seasons.

The "ridiculous" point I made about the Rays is how they're mining and developing good, young talent. Price aside, they got Sonny in rd 14 I believe and Shields in 16. The Yanks, despite all of their tremendous resources simply aren't doing that.

 

[DropKick]

It's not the money, it's the opportunity lost. Both on neglecting a better player (if they don't get Tex) and down the road, all the failed starts Burnett is going to make that could have went to Kennedy or Hughes or another young guy. Or a FA pitcher they could have signed next year or the year after that they'll pass up on because they'll be singing the "AJ is healthy and is going to be really good this year" line you'll be hearing for the next four off-seasons.The "ridiculous" point I made about the Rays is how they're mining and developing good, young talent. Price aside, they got Sonny in rd 14 I believe and Shields in 16. The Yanks, despite all of their tremendous resources simply aren't doing that.

Nothing ridiculous about being proud of what a team of underdogs accomplish or a team achieves on a relative shoe string budget. I've always hated the disparity in baseball and the Yankees are head and shoulders at the top of that list as they are simply able to outbid (in dollars and or term) every other team in baseball. I could root for the late 90s Yankees but not for this over-priced bunch.

 

[Finless]

It's not the money, it's the opportunity lost. Both on neglecting a better player (if they don't get Tex) and down the road, all the failed starts Burnett is going to make that could have went to Kennedy or Hughes or another young guy. Or a FA pitcher they could have signed next year or the year after that they'll pass up on because they'll be singing the "AJ is healthy and is going to be really good this year" line you'll be hearing for the next four off-seasons.The "ridiculous" point I made about the Rays is how they're mining and developing good, young talent. Price aside, they got Sonny in rd 14 I believe and Shields in 16. The Yanks, despite all of their tremendous resources simply aren't doing that.

Nothing ridiculous about being proud of what a team of underdogs accomplish or a team achieves on a relative shoe string budget. I've always hated the disparity in baseball and the Yankees are head and shoulders at the top of that list as they are simply able to outbid (in dollars and or term) every other team in baseball. I could root for the late 90s Yankees but not for this over-priced bunch.

Why bother developing talent when you can pay cash for overpriced underperforming free agents?

 

[Gr00vus]

Rays are going to be paying Garza, Sonnanstine and Price less than 2.5M combined this year.Keep spending Hank, it's only going to make it hurt worse.

Sonnanstine is going to be exposed before long. He is just not that good. But hey you are right though beats going out having to try to sign a guy like Burnett to try and correct your rotation.

The Rays have guys down on the farm who aren't far from the bigs as well. That's one organization loaded with pitching talent. It's not going to be a catastrophe for them if Sonnanstine doesn't keep performing at his current level. The Yanks, not quite the same story.

 

[Capella]

Yup. If Sonny bottoms out, then the Rays turn to A+ prospects Wade Davis or Hellickson, or go to Niemann or Talbot.

Then they'll trade Sonny to an NL team. :yup:

 

[Michael Brown]

Yup. If Sonny bottoms out, then the Rays turn to A+ prospects Wade Davis or Hellickson, or go to Niemann or Talbot.Then they'll trade Sonny to an NL team. :yup:

Careful Cappy, prospects don't always work out the way we hope...

 

[Capella]

No they don't, but with Price and two other A-level guys, I think they'll find some guys that are servicable.

 

[Michael Brown]

No they don't, but with Price and two other A-level guys, I think they'll find some guys that are servicable.

Was this a moment? I agree that YOUR guys will work out...I was referring to OURS.

 

[Capella]

Yea sorry. Long day at work. Merry Christmas.

 

[Michael Brown]

Yea sorry. Long day at work. Merry Christmas.

 

[Dreamer]

Can the Yanks just go ahead and sign Manny and Tex and we can call it a Hot Stove season over?

Tex is next.

When does Manny get his deal now?