What’s wrong with Todd Gurley (1 Viewer)

[fruity pebbles]

Unfortunately that’s not what’s happening. He’s stating Gurley is a JAG because he thinks Gurley is a JAG.  No one, certainly not me anyways, has ever said a good line or good coach has no impact, of course it does.  Hence 2016 Gurley and 2018 DJ.  

Could be wrong but I think he’s calling all RBs JAGs.

 

[Interseptopus]

Unfortunately that’s not what’s happening. He’s stating Gurley is a JAG because he thinks Gurley is a JAG.  No one, certainly not me anyways, has ever said a good line or good coach has no impact, of course it does.  Hence 2016 Gurley and 2018 DJ.  

yeah gurley is proof of that big time.His 2016 vs 17 and 18 is the epitome of what I was trying to say in another thread. Talent is there, but that talent can only do so much surrounded by bums

 

[dkp993]

yeah gurley is proof of that big time.His 2016 vs 17 and 18 is the epitome of what I was trying to say in another thread. Talent is there, but that talent can only do so much surrounded by bums

Yep. Football is the ultimate team game, it’s not like basketball or baseball where individual talent can routinely exceed the surrounding extreme lack of talent and coaching.  Only a handful of extreme examples come to mind.  Barry Sanders for example. 

 

[BassNBrew]

Yep. Football is the ultimate team game, it’s not like basketball or baseball where individual talent can routinely exceed the surrounding extreme lack of talent and coaching.  Only a handful of extreme examples come to mind.  Barry Sanders for example. 

Barkley or CMac come to mind this year alone.  Neither of those two would be bringing CJA a water bottle.

 

[BassNBrew]

pretty much. I wonder if people really think it's just a lavage procedure. 

When they do this kind of surgery they are typically shaving cartilage down, shaving meniscus down, cutting out scar tissue, etc. the difference between this and, let's say, a meniscectomy is probably the size of the tear being cut away. I can assure everyone there is no billing code for "clean up." Yet people shrug these surgeries off. that's a mistake in the long term

Well after having a son go through both, I can tell you the recovery process and subsequent bills aren't the same even if the billing code is.

 

[pbandy1]

I love the "clean up procedure" 

Those 2 surgeries are essentially the same thing. maybe chondroplasty.

I sometimes wonder what the average Joe thinks they are actually "cleaning up" when they say "clean up procedure." it's a joke they even call it that

isn't a scope a general term for the knee? I.e. "clean up" meniscus, other ligaments, patellar tracking

I just mentioned meniscus because it seems the most common thing that is cleaned up for athletes

 

[pbandy1]

I find it hard to believe you guys are having this discussion.  I have no bias for or against Gurley.  I have no bias for or against Anderson.  Gurley is an elite back with fantastic vision, speed and strength.  He's also an exceptional receiver out of the backfield, notwithstanding what we saw yesterday.  When healthy, he makes everyone on offense better because of what he does.  Anderson is a nice back.  I liked him in Denver and was always surprised he was never able to fully take over the lead rb spot there.  He is an able receiver and IMO, a pretty solid back when healthy and in shape. 

I just don't see any reasonable comparison between the two.  Watching the game yesterday, it was clear he is hurt, or at least, not right.  His dropped passes were crazy and whatever is bothering him physically, to me, clearly is effecting him as a whole. 

There is no conversation here.  Gurley is an elite talent and clearly hurt.  Anderson is a good back but would never be in a championship game if Gurley was healthy, no matter how many balls he dropped in the first half.  Just my two cents

just my two cents. I don't think Gurley is elite, I think he is pretty good. His speed, power and strength are indeed fantastic. He is a decent receiver in terms of hands and agility. The knocks for me are, IMO, he has never had outstanding vision (even in college) and he is not great at creating for himself.

 

[Interseptopus]

isn't a scope a general term for the knee? I.e. "clean up" meniscus, other ligaments, patellar tracking

I just mentioned meniscus because it seems the most common thing that is cleaned up for athletes

yes. that's my point. this clean up is often glossed over as if it's no big deal. while it's certainly a fairly easy rehab and quick recovery versus a larger meniscectomy, it's still not good long term. 

 

[pbandy1]

yes. that's my point. this clean up is often glossed over as if it's no big deal. while it's certainly a fairly easy rehab and quick recovery versus a larger meniscectomy, it's still not good long term. 

Oh, I got ya. And going through injuries myself, I would completely agree.

 

[Ilov80s]

CJ Anderson outside of McVay's system:  4.4ypc

Todd Gurley outside of McVay's system: 3.93 ypc

CJ Anderson in McVay's system: 5.68ypc

Todd Gurley in McVay's system: 4.78ypc

What excuse can you come up for that one?

YPC is not a very stick stat- especially not in such a small sample size. This is bad use of math. I do agree to your larger point that Todd Gurley is probably a bit overrated as a RB. 

 

[tjnc09]

YPC is not a very stick stat- especially not in such a small sample size. This is bad use of math. I do agree to your larger point that Todd Gurley is probably a bit overrated as a RB. 

By all means, please post a "good use of math" comparison.

 

[Ilov80s]

By all means, please post a "good use of math" comparison.

CJ Anderson has 82 carries in 4 games for the Rams. That is too small a sample to draw longterm conclusions. I don't think there is any math that can be used to settle any dispute of Gurley vs CJ Anderson. 

 

[IHEARTFF]

I think the obvious answer is we need to devalue RBs in fantasy as they are in real football. 

 

[Ilov80s]

I think the obvious answer is we need to devalue RBs in fantasy as they are in real football. 

How so?

 

[IHEARTFF]

I don’t really know. Maybe I will just try to incorporate the info into making better fantasy draft decisions. 

 

[Edgar]

Regardless of how next Sunday plays out, the Rams will assure the world that Todd Gurley, who they are contractually saddled with, had a knee injury they downplayed and that Todd will be fine. This statement is guaranteed, to calm the masses. Perhaps Todd’s knee will be scoped to fix his meniscus or other loose bodies. We will see. This is all fine and good.

However, a random rolling off the couch (who makes 1/50th of payroll) and being a comparable player, is not. 

 

[tackle for loss]

This is a real thread? Clearly someone is not taking into account one player is hurt and the other was so great as a player he had most the season off and now has fresh legs against defenses that were not preparing the same way for "CJ Anderson" as they would for "Todd Gurley."

Sure your points would be valid if you threw football acumen out the window. You put comparison of stats of Gurley vs Anderson in McVays offense in 4'ish Games for Anderson vs 2 full seasons for Gurley? The spin game is that of a seasoned politician.

I'm not shocked many are entertaining your remarks, clearly people who would listen to what you have to say on Gurley never watched him play or dont like him because they dont own him much like you clearly dont. If stat lines are all that matters, Kap would not be out of the league with his Top 5 TD/INT ratio of all time.

This is an awful take by the one person with an agenda in building up CJ.