What a Ted Cruz victory would mean (1 Viewer)

[pantagrapher]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

Well that's a good point.

Sure it is, but let's not pretend that liberals don't run candidates that want to drag the center even farther to the left. This isn't something new.

Liberals is not a political party. Democrats rarely run far-left candidates for POTUS. And this is why the spectrum of acceptable conversation is so skewed to the right. I mean, conservatives think Obama is a far-left socialist.

Horse-####. OF COURSE your party only runs Moderates. It's the other guys who are crazy.

GTFO here with that crap.

Nope. It's completely true. And it's precisely why the GOP works hard to foment the lazy, "both sides do it" mindset.

Of course, I'd love to see the list of legitimate Democratic presidential candidates who you consider far-left.

 

[The Z Machine]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

At another board it was stated that attendance was mandatory for the student body but that might just be message board bluster. Outside of the military academies, I can't imagine there are too many universities where anything is mandatory. (Disclaimer -- roadkill is slacker university employee)

Cruz was speaking at Liberty as part of their Convocation series.

From the school's Student Honor Code:

Convocation is an assembly of the University community and its purpose is to develop
campus unity, disseminate information, and challenge students spiritually, socially,
morally and intellectually. Convocation provides forums for the social and political issues
of the day, as well as educational topics of diverse interest for the benefit of students,
faculty, and staff. Guest speakers from the world of business, politics, education, religion,
and the sciences also help to make Convocation a refreshing and challenging time.

All students are required to attend Convocation on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
This includes all resident students, commuters, undergraduates, graduate and seminary
students. Failure to attend Convocation without proper approval will result in the issuance
of four points. Resident must check in with their Resident Assistants upon arrival and sit in
their assigned section in order to be counted as present. Failure to attend will result in the
issuance of four points.

So much for liberty, eh???

 

[joffer]

 

[TwinTurbo]

Cruz comes across as a total toolbag. Like Mitt Romney but even dorkier and more toolish. I wish the GOP could dig up some candidates that actually have a chance. I can't even get past the absurd position he took on net neutrality.

 

[roadkill1292]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

At another board it was stated that attendance was mandatory for the student body but that might just be message board bluster. Outside of the military academies, I can't imagine there are too many universities where anything is mandatory. (Disclaimer -- roadkill is slacker university employee)

Cruz was speaking at Liberty as part of their Convocation series.

From the school's Student Honor Code:

Convocation is an assembly of the University community and its purpose is to develop
campus unity, disseminate information, and challenge students spiritually, socially,
morally and intellectually. Convocation provides forums for the social and political issues
of the day, as well as educational topics of diverse interest for the benefit of students,
faculty, and staff. Guest speakers from the world of business, politics, education, religion,
and the sciences also help to make Convocation a refreshing and challenging time.

All students are required to attend Convocation on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
This includes all resident students, commuters, undergraduates, graduate and seminary
students. Failure to attend Convocation without proper approval will result in the issuance
of four points. Resident must check in with their Resident Assistants upon arrival and sit in
their assigned section in order to be counted as present. Failure to attend will result in the
issuance of four points.

So much for liberty, eh???

The disconnect continues to grow. How can you do any good when you spend all your time administering needless lockdown systems like that? It must be maddening to be a Liberty (or Bob Jones U or any similar place) administrator, student or supporter and see the rest of the country paying absolutely zero attention to your rules. Young adults need to drink and smoke and ####. Oh, and play cards.

 

[Fennis]

I think this makes the second Hispanic to run for President of the US, after Bill Richardson, so it's nice to see as progress for our country.

Ben Fernandez was first in 1980.

 

[Jobber]

Since the 2012 election, about three million older voters, 75% of whom opposed gay marriage and marijuana legalization, have departed the rolls. Meanwhile, about 15 million new voters have reached legal age of voting, 75% of whom support gay marriage and marijuana legalization. It's going to take a Republican candidate with unusual skills and appeal to coalesce the "base" and still convince the voting majority that he won't roll back the gains on those issues. Or a Democrat meltdown, not at all impossible.

They'll bluster and rail and then settle on Mitt again, won't they?

Such a great post, thanks. I think that within 10 to 15 years, the Republican party will be made up of mostly voters where issue #1 = God. The rest of them will have moved onto the Democratic or Libartarian parties.

 

[tommyboy]

after the last 6+ years, does it really matter who's president anymore?

 

[joffer]

after the last 6+ years, does it really matter who's president anymore?

not for those who would vote for a Ted Cruz. But for many others, yes.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

after the last 6+ years, does it really matter who's president anymore?

I don't understand what this means. Even if you think Obama is terrible, wouldn't it be preferable for the next President to be good?

 

[Clifford]

Not really worth trying to understand. Post equivalent of a breitbart article.

 

[tommyboy]

after the last 6+ years, does it really matter who's president anymore?

I don't understand what this means. Even if you think Obama is terrible, wouldn't it be preferable for the next President to be good?

if you consider the last 2 presidents spanning 14+ years, does it even matter who's president anymore? I don't think it does. We have horrible leadership in this country from the pres,down through congress, corrupt IRS, DHS, EPA, ATF pretty much most of the federal gov't is either corrupt or incompetent.

And yet, I'm still here, we're still here, arguing on a message board.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

after the last 6+ years, does it really matter who's president anymore?

Economically, obviously so. Would hate to burn it all down again.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Wait a minute.

We are gonna elect a Canadian who's father is from a communist country?

 

[Lutherman2112]

Wait a minute.

We are gonna elect a Canadian who's father is from a communist country?

I can see your perspective, but Cruz isn't getting elected.

 

[cosjobs]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

At another board it was stated that attendance was mandatory for the student body but that might just be message board bluster. Outside of the military academies, I can't imagine there are too many universities where anything is mandatory. (Disclaimer -- roadkill is slacker university employee)

Cruz was speaking at Liberty as part of their Convocation series.

From the school's Student Honor Code:

Convocation is an assembly of the University community and its purpose is to develop
campus unity, disseminate information, and challenge students spiritually, socially,
morally and intellectually. Convocation provides forums for the social and political issues
of the day, as well as educational topics of diverse interest for the benefit of students,
faculty, and staff. Guest speakers from the world of business, politics, education, religion,
and the sciences also help to make Convocation a refreshing and challenging time.

All students are required to attend Convocation on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
This includes all resident students, commuters, undergraduates, graduate and seminary
students. Failure to attend Convocation without proper approval will result in the issuance
of four points. Resident must check in with their Resident Assistants upon arrival and sit in
their assigned section in order to be counted as present. Failure to attend will result in the
issuance of four points.

So much for liberty, eh???

lino

 

[Johnnymac]

The republicans just need to move up a century or two. The old timers that voted that way have been/are dying off. Society is passing them by and people are not buying the family values, american flag, pledge of allegiance, pro-life crap anymore. Sure there are still some of those voters left, but I think they are dwindling away, thank goodness.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Since the 2012 election, about three million older voters, 75% of whom opposed gay marriage and marijuana legalization, have departed the rolls. Meanwhile, about 15 million new voters have reached legal age of voting, 75% of whom support gay marriage and marijuana legalization. It's going to take a Republican candidate with unusual skills and appeal to coalesce the "base" and still convince the voting majority that he won't roll back the gains on those issues. Or a Democrat meltdown, not at all impossible.

Or: make it even harder for those new voters to vote.

I'm referring more to home grown Millennials than I am to immigrants, if I'm reading your meaning correctly. And on the two social issues I mentioned, the Republican base faces an increasingly wide schism with its own young party members.

What we'll see from here on out is candidates giving non-committal lip service to rolling back advances in social liberties, just enough to keep the base from completely eliminating them from contention. After the conventions, the base will be pretty much marginalized because the candidate can't win with a platform of siccing the DEA on Colorado pot shops and telling Kansas bakery shop owners that, no, no, they don't have to make a wedding cake with two men figures on top if they really don't want to. All they'll do is motivate the opposition, which is waiting for precisely that to get the Millennials off their azzes and to the polls.

Well, the GOP strategy is also to make sure homegrown millennials cant vote either: they are restricting college kids ability to vote all over the country.

 

[Leviathan]

The republicans just need to move up a century or two. The old timers that voted that way have been/are dying off. Society is passing them by and people are not buying the family values, american flag, pledge of allegiance, pro-life crap anymore. Sure there are still some of those voters left, but I think they are dwindling away, thank goodness.

Did you smash your racquet after you typed that?

 

[skol asylum]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

 

[skol asylum]

The republicans just need to move up a century or two. The old timers that voted that way have been/are dying off. Society is passing them by and people are not buying the family values, american flag, pledge of allegiance, pro-life crap anymore. Sure there are still some of those voters left, but I think they are dwindling away, thank goodness.

Did you smash your racquet after you typed that?

Can't fight demographics.

 

[GrandpaRox]

Cruz does not stand a chance but he will be a great conservative voice to call Obama and his policies out. Great move to open the conservative dialogue completely. The final candidate will get all the advantage and none of the push backr.

It will be nice to hear a real conservative view for a change. Boner and Mcworthless are not real Republicans

 

[Fennis]

Wait a minute.

We are gonna elect a Canadian who's father is from a communist country?

and is really in to tea parties.

 

[NREC34]

Cruz does not stand a chance but he will be a great conservative voice to call Obama and his policies out. Great move to open the conservative dialogue completely. The final candidate will get all the advantage and none of the push backr.

It will be nice to hear a real conservative view for a change. Boner and Mcworthless are not real Republicans

Will Obama be running for a third term?

 

[GrandpaRox]

Cruz does not stand a chance but he will be a great conservative voice to call Obama and his policies out. Great move to open the conservative dialogue completely. The final candidate will get all the advantage and none of the push backr.

It will be nice to hear a real conservative view for a change. Boner and Mcworthless are not real Republicans

Will Obama be running for a third term?

Irrelevant.

 

[Sand]

The republicans just need to move up a century or two. The old timers that voted that way have been/are dying off. Society is passing them by and people are not buying the family values, american flag, pledge of allegiance, pro-life crap anymore. Sure there are still some of those voters left, but I think they are dwindling away, thank goodness.

Or perhaps as people get older they tend to gain wisdom, appreciate our history, and respect life a bit more.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Cruz does not stand a chance but he will be a great conservative voice to call Obama and his policies out. Great move to open the conservative dialogue completely. The final candidate will get all the advantage and none of the push backr.

It will be nice to hear a real conservative view for a change. Boner and Mcworthless are not real Republicans

Will Obama be running for a third term?

Irrelevant.

Actually it's something to watch whether Hillary presents herself that way. Or not.

 

[Leviathan]

The republicans just need to move up a century or two. The old timers that voted that way have been/are dying off. Society is passing them by and people are not buying the family values, american flag, pledge of allegiance, pro-life crap anymore. Sure there are still some of those voters left, but I think they are dwindling away, thank goodness.

Did you smash your racquet after you typed that?

Can't fight demographics.

I'm not fighting demographics. I'm quite apolitical, but I can spot broad-brushed, political opinions from a kilometer away.

Sayin'

 

[3C's]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

 

[3C's]

Gotta admit this was pretty good. http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/students-stand-with-rand-cruz-20150323

 

[roadkill1292]

The republicans just need to move up a century or two. The old timers that voted that way have been/are dying off. Society is passing them by and people are not buying the family values, american flag, pledge of allegiance, pro-life crap anymore. Sure there are still some of those voters left, but I think they are dwindling away, thank goodness.

Or perhaps as people get older they tend to gain wisdom, appreciate our history, and respect life a bit more.

While wisdom and experience may increase in one's later years, core beliefs are formed in a person's early years and remain generally consistent over one's lifetime. The nation is, and generally always has been, moving inexorably leftward. The arguments are mostly about the speed of change.

Gotta admit this was pretty good. http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/students-stand-with-rand-cruz-20150323

This made me uncommonly warm and fuzzy and not the least little bit because of the candidates involved, neither of whom I care about. Liberty students standing up for their individual beliefs represents a definite crack in the church power structure.

 

[SacramentoBob]

6 Points (+ $25.00 Fine)
 Attendance at a dance

 

[Steve Tasker]

6 Points (+ $25.00 Fine)
 Attendance at a dance

12 Points (+ $50.00 Fine)

 Visiting alone with the opposite sex at an off-campus residence

I want to know how they have someone police this.

 

[humpback]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

The "base" isn't stopping you from voting for either of those guys.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

The "base" isn't stopping you from voting for either of those guys.

When does your primary roll around? By the time the Dem/GOP primaries get here in LA it's all over but the shouting.

 

[3C's]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

The "base" isn't stopping you from voting for either of those guys.

When does your primary roll around? By the time the Dem/GOP primaries get here in LA it's all over but the shouting.

Exactly! I had no choice to vote for Huntsman last go round. He was already out thanks to the base trumping up the crazies.

 

[roadkill1292]

You know, Millennial Republicans are far more liberal on social issues than older members of the party. The basis for change is on its way but the rest of you are also gonna have to do something about the nutjobs and run some serious candidates. Too many voters are simply turned off by the continued intransigence on health and social issues to give even the best Republican candidates a reasonable to chance to take the Presidency.

 

[humpback]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

The "base" isn't stopping you from voting for either of those guys.

When does your primary roll around? By the time the Dem/GOP primaries get here in LA it's all over but the shouting.

Exactly! I had no choice to vote for Huntsman last go round. He was already out thanks to the base trumping up the crazies.

So vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein instead. The point is, you don't have to vote for either turd.

 

[3C's]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

The "base" isn't stopping you from voting for either of those guys.

When does your primary roll around? By the time the Dem/GOP primaries get here in LA it's all over but the shouting.

Exactly! I had no choice to vote for Huntsman last go round. He was already out thanks to the base trumping up the crazies.

So vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein instead. The point is, you don't have to vote for either turd.

The point is, I was not able to vote for Huntsman and I almost certainly won't be able to again. I "could" vote for myself but that's not the point.

 

[humpback]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

The "base" isn't stopping you from voting for either of those guys.

When does your primary roll around? By the time the Dem/GOP primaries get here in LA it's all over but the shouting.

Exactly! I had no choice to vote for Huntsman last go round. He was already out thanks to the base trumping up the crazies.

So vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein instead. The point is, you don't have to vote for either turd.

The point is, I was not able to vote for Huntsman and I almost certainly won't be able to again. I "could" vote for myself but that's not the point.

If you feel that strongly about it, get involved in getting him on the ballot in other ways.

The point is, you aren't forced to vote for 1 of 2 turds. People who complain about the candidates and then go out and vote for one of them are perpetuating the problem.

 

[3C's]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

The "base" isn't stopping you from voting for either of those guys.

When does your primary roll around? By the time the Dem/GOP primaries get here in LA it's all over but the shouting.

Exactly! I had no choice to vote for Huntsman last go round. He was already out thanks to the base trumping up the crazies.

So vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein instead. The point is, you don't have to vote for either turd.

The point is, I was not able to vote for Huntsman and I almost certainly won't be able to again. I "could" vote for myself but that's not the point.

If you feel that strongly about it, get involved in getting him on the ballot in other ways.

The point is, you aren't forced to vote for 1 of 2 turds. People who complain about the candidates and then go out and vote for one of them are perpetuating the problem.

It's like talking to a wall.

 

[jamny]

He seems like an arrogant ##### but I'll listen to what he has to say. He's really just a niche candidate who will have a brief glimpse of possibility, like Santorum last time out.

I doubt he takes my vote away from Scott Walker but I'm sure he'll make things interesting.

 

[Orlando RMF]

As a life long republican, we are so screwed. There is no way I would vote for Cruz, Rubio, Rand Paul or Walker. They are way off the deep end. I cannot vote for Hillary either. But if forced I may vote for her over anyone of these bozos. We need a moderate who has some common sense. The Tea Party (libertarians in sheep's clothing) have ruined the party, making us look like a bunch of idiots. I hear "wake up America" and I am not sure if they are talking about themselves or they think we are asleep? Obviously they don't get it and are completely disconnected from the people. Who they are suppose to represent. When will either party represent the people first rather than their party??

 

[humpback]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

The "base" isn't stopping you from voting for either of those guys.

When does your primary roll around? By the time the Dem/GOP primaries get here in LA it's all over but the shouting.

Exactly! I had no choice to vote for Huntsman last go round. He was already out thanks to the base trumping up the crazies.

So vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein instead. The point is, you don't have to vote for either turd.

The point is, I was not able to vote for Huntsman and I almost certainly won't be able to again. I "could" vote for myself but that's not the point.

If you feel that strongly about it, get involved in getting him on the ballot in other ways.

The point is, you aren't forced to vote for 1 of 2 turds. People who complain about the candidates and then go out and vote for one of them are perpetuating the problem.

It's like talking to a wall.

What's your point then?

 

[jamny]

I'm still holding out hope that Mike Lee runs.

Doubtful though.

 

[3C's]

As a life long republican, we are so screwed. There is no way I would vote for Cruz, Rubio, Rand Paul or Walker. They are way off the deep end. I cannot vote for Hillary either. But if forced I may vote for her over anyone of these bozos. We need a moderate who has some common sense. The Tea Party (libertarians in sheep's clothing) have ruined the party, making us look like a bunch of idiots. I hear "wake up America" and I am not sure if they are talking about themselves or they think we are asleep? Obviously they don't get it and are completely disconnected from the people. Who they are suppose to represent. When will either party represent the people first rather than their party??

 

[3C's]

Huntsman Jr vs Webb

That's what I'd like to see.

That's a pipe dream...we should be so lucky. Instead we'll get a turd vs a turd. The "base" controls who we get to vote for.

The "base" isn't stopping you from voting for either of those guys.

When does your primary roll around? By the time the Dem/GOP primaries get here in LA it's all over but the shouting.

Exactly! I had no choice to vote for Huntsman last go round. He was already out thanks to the base trumping up the crazies.

So vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein instead. The point is, you don't have to vote for either turd.

The point is, I was not able to vote for Huntsman and I almost certainly won't be able to again. I "could" vote for myself but that's not the point.

If you feel that strongly about it, get involved in getting him on the ballot in other ways.

The point is, you aren't forced to vote for 1 of 2 turds. People who complain about the candidates and then go out and vote for one of them are perpetuating the problem.

It's like talking to a wall.

What's your point then?

It's in there, it begins with "the point is" and isn't hard to comprehend.

 

[igbomb]

As a life long republican, we are so screwed. There is no way I would vote for Cruz, Rubio, Rand Paul or Walker. They are way off the deep end. I cannot vote for Hillary either. But if forced I may vote for her over anyone of these bozos. We need a moderate who has some common sense. The Tea Party (libertarians in sheep's clothing) have ruined the party, making us look like a bunch of idiots. I hear "wake up America" and I am not sure if they are talking about themselves or they think we are asleep? Obviously they don't get it and are completely disconnected from the people. Who they are suppose to represent. When will either party represent the people first rather than their party??

This is exactly right. I've moved away from the conservatives in general but this recalcitrant, xenophobic Tea Party movement is the most simple-minded, non-sensical thing to come out of the conservative side of this country in my life. Just unbelievable that these morons can gain any traction.

 

[wikkidpissah]

As a life long republican, we are so screwed. There is no way I would vote for Cruz, Rubio, Rand Paul or Walker. They are way off the deep end. I cannot vote for Hillary either. But if forced I may vote for her over anyone of these bozos. We need a moderate who has some common sense. The Tea Party (Nazis/fascists/jihadis in sheep's clothing) have ruined the party, making us look like a bunch of idiots. I hear "wake up America" and I am not sure if they are talking about themselves or they think we are asleep? Obviously they don't get it and are completely disconnected from the people. Who they are suppose to represent. When will either party represent the people first rather than their party??

fixed.

I've always respected steadfast conservatives - it must be terribly frustrating to be one these days.

 

[Joe Summer]

Ted Cruz doesn't like rock music because he didn't like how rock music responded to 9/11