LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
I mean would Elway do his best to get them there or is it just impossible?
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What are the chances Luck and Harbaugh go to Denver? (1 Viewer)
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LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
He is definitely entering the draft. Why would he stay? I thought Denver had the number 2 pick, moving up one spot would cost that much?
Clash of the Titans
IBL Representative
..............the odds of elway pulling that off are very slim to none...............carolina would make them pay and they just drafted tebow and gave up a lot to get him.......much better chance of them getting harbaugh than luck..............................i still maintain tebow will be a successful nfl qb................
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
I wonder if the #2 and Tebow would get it done.
But, it is not happening. Denver has too many holes and already has a good, young QB.
But, it is not happening. Denver has too many holes and already has a good, young QB.
PitbullTD
Footballguy
I think the issue would come down to Carolina KNOWING that they could ask the world because Harbaugh is there, and Denver just cant afford to match the two together. The whole situation is such a huge What If on both accounts that if it happened the world probobly would end on May 21st, 2011
with a qb like Luck yes, it would take a ton to get Luck, he is flawless without an injury history.
munchkin
Footballguy
Carolina needs a QB and supposedly Luck is the best prospect to come out in a while. Why would you give up the opportunity to draft a player with Luck's potential.
Denver needs to get better on defense and will have the opportunity to draft a really good player at 2. They can get by with Orton and Tebow.
Denver needs to get better on defense and will have the opportunity to draft a really good player at 2. They can get by with Orton and Tebow.
pantherclub
Footballguy
How many picks is Manning worth? How about Matt Ryan? There is just not a number of draft picks that you can get in return for a franchise qb of that nature. It just doesnt add up. Now the Panthers would be in deep doo doo if Luck came out and said he didnt want to play for the Panthers a la Elway or Eli but that is the d bag move and Luck doesnt strike me as that type of person.
Go DC Yourself
Footballguy
Isn't Carolina notoriously cheap? And isn't there talk about there being a signficantly lower reduced rookie wage scalce under a new CBA? So, could Carolina say screw paying 1.1 QB money this year, we'll trade the pick to someone else, pick up draft picks, take our hits for another year, and get a high first round QB in 2012 at a greatly reduced cost?
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Zero chance.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I just don't see Carolina passing on Luck if he comes out. As others have said, he's a prototypical QB with all the measurables you could want, he's smart, has won in a big conference, and is healthy with no questions surrounding him, or his system, or his makeup. How can a team that struggled so mightily at the QB position all year, and is more than one season away from competing, not take him?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Knowing Carolina, not only would that get it done, we'd probably throw in our 2012 1st round pick to make it happen.
JHuber77
Footballguy
Why wouldn't Denver draft Luck if Carolina passes on him? Elway is salivating at the chance to draft this guy. They could move Tebow to fullback or utilize him somewhere else on the field. He could be used as an emergency QB while Orton or Quinn could be traded. The whole defense needs revamping. The reason why McDaniels got released is because of poor personnel moves and ultimately losses. Make no mistake, if Elway has the chance to draft luck, he will probably be on the podium with Goddell before Carolina can get their pick off the stage.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Exactly, plus Carolina has been hurting for a QB for a few years now...and basically their window shut because of it. This also a team that has never had that "franchise" QB...they came close with Delhomme, but that just ended funny (he not only lost his physical skills, but also his mental ones). Besides that, in 16 seasons, they had one very good year from Beurlein and a 14TD season from Collins. They won't sit on this chance, and if Luck does force a trade, they are not going to take a "project" QB in return...
pantherclub
Footballguy
Sadly I agree.I just pray that he is bluffing big time and pulls Harbough out of a hat.
I don't get that from JR. It will be Rivera or Ryan (Browns DC) I believe. Don't see an offensive minded head coach coming to Carolina despite being in one of the toughest offensive divisions in the NFL.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I reluctantly agree with you about JR. But if he is truly interested in creating excitment and putting fans in the seats then hiring Harbough is his only option. Hiring Perry, Ron Rivera or Russ Grimm is just going to piss people off. I pray that them interviewing Rob Ryan is a joke.Still though I would love for them to announce Harbough is coming, Luck is coming and JR have a press conference and say "I told you #####es not to doubt me" - total pipe dream I know.
Ok...take what you know of Panthers history regarding free agency and apply it to a HC hiring. Still feel positive? I don't. Sometimes I wish I felt that JR cared as much about winning over the business than I do.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I probably would just quit pulling for specific teams at that point and just go with fantasy. That would be a bummer if players started doing that more often. The NFL is king for a reason, any team can win. Not the same in baseball and bball. When the players start dictating where they want to go out of college then it becomes a mess. This is why the Union frowned on Eli doing and why free agency exists.That said I doubt Luck does that. He doesnt seem all high and mighty like the Manning family.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I am not sure what your point is? That they dont spend money or dont spend it wisely?They tried to make Peppers the highest paid defensive player. They gave Smith a well deserved extension. They paid their coaches. They paid for Sean Gilbert. They gave Jake a huge deal. They will spend money, now whether they do this wisely is up for "debate".
FUBAR
Footballguy
I imagine it would but Denver would be insane to do that. Tebow is a guy they should build around. However, I wonder what Arizona could give. Maybe similar to the Falcons/Chargers Vick/LT trade? 1.05, 3rd, next year's 2nd, and a player? (I would say Breaston, but IIRC he's a FA?)
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
Let's face it, the way Tebow plays the game, he'll get injured next year or the year later. I don't think he's a franchise QB.
I just hope Luck goes to a place where the team doesn't ruin his future.
I just hope Luck goes to a place where the team doesn't ruin his future.
Yeah, it's not a very popular thing to do, and I don't really like it either. I doubt he would do it, but none the less, it is an option. As for Harbaugh, word today here in Denver is he's almost a lock for the SF job based on what they'd offer and the convenience not having to move. That's fine, and I hope he does well. Frankly, I still think Denver needs a defensive minded head coach and a very strong OC.
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EBF
Footballguy
The Stanford fans think Harbaugh is bound for SF. People expect an announcement within days. Possibly tomorrow.
I'm sure Harbaugh and Elway would both like Luck, but it would take a Ricky Williams deal to get that pick away from Carolina. It might be a moot point because I think it's 65% that Luck will come back to Stanford for one more year.
If he does declare, don't expect him to Hollywood Carolina. I guess it could happen, but it doesn't seem in fitting with his personality. I think he would be happy to play for the Panthers.
I'm sure Harbaugh and Elway would both like Luck, but it would take a Ricky Williams deal to get that pick away from Carolina. It might be a moot point because I think it's 65% that Luck will come back to Stanford for one more year.
If he does declare, don't expect him to Hollywood Carolina. I guess it could happen, but it doesn't seem in fitting with his personality. I think he would be happy to play for the Panthers.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I really doubt the NFL is going to let a player such as Luck basically say "I dont want to play for Carolina, I want to be traded to this team" That would be such a slippery slope and I think the NFL would recognize that this would be a black eye on the league.
How could the NFL stop him? Carolina is a mess with an ownership that has shown no commitment to winning. Why should he want to go to that wasteland if he has a choice. And he DOES have a choice. He can tell Carolina he doesnt want to play for them and Carolina can get a king's ransom for the pick. Not wanting to play for the Panthers in no way shows a lack of character just basic common sense.This all will probably play out privately and not publicly but I think the chances of Luck ending up in Carolina are very slim. Tebow was a McDaniels guy and they would be crazy to pass up on Luck because of Tebow.Tebow + the #2+ fourth rounder + a second rounder next year should make this trade happen (although Carolina may ask for and get more from either the Broncos or someone else) and is a good deal for BOTH teams. Broncos get their franchise qb and Carolina gets a fan favorite in Tebow at a fraction of Luck's cost and additional early picks for a team that has MANY holes and is not one player away from competing.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
If a player is really committed to sitting out, the NFL can't stop him because he's not a part of the NFLPA until he signs his contract and joins the league. The NFL couldn't stop Eli Manning from refusing to go to San Diego, couldn't stop Elway from refusing the Colts, etc...That said, I see no reason why Luck would say no given what we've seen of his character and the fact the 1st overall pick commands tens of millions of dollars in guaranteed money.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I dont recall reading any of your posts before but I am certain you have to be a Broncos fan.Your lack of knowledge about the Panthers is apparent. Aside from this year the Panthers have paid extremely well for their players and have made and tried to make free agent signings. They had an offer on the table to make Peppers the highest paid defensive player. Its not Lucks choice of where to play. The NFL is not a democracy. There is a system set up that makes this the best league in the US. When you start getting prima donnas like the Elways, Crabtrees and Mannings trying to dicate where they dont want to play then it becomes a mess. To my knowledge no player has ever said I want to play in "X" city so trade me there. You must be drunk out of your mind if you think the trade you have listed above is in any way shape or form fair. Thats quite laughable. I will put it like this, would Matt Ryan be an equal trade with what you have listed? Because at the very least Luck will be as good as Ryan.The NFL and Players Union would surely frown on a college player demanding to play at a certain city. Plus the fact that the CBA is up and Richardson is a key role. He could essentially write any rule in regards to rookies. If Luck comes out he is playing for the panthers, that much is locked in stone.Lets be honest the Panthers and Broncos are jsut about even right now in terms of structure.
Not a Broncos fan at all. I may have overstated the by saying have not shown a commitment to winning as they have had recent success, but it doesnt change the fact that the team is currently devoid of talent. The title of this thread is Luck and Harbaugh going to Denver. I think that would be a preferable situation to Luck over Carolina by far. To say that Luck will be at least as good as Matt Ryan is pure speculation. I feel the trade I proposed would be fair but also stated Carolina would ask for and probably get more.The players union and NFL can frown on whatever they want to, if a player is committed to not going to a team there is nothing that can be done. What kind of rule could be passed? Doesnt happen a lot as players have almost no leverage in the situation. Denver with the number 2 pick and a young qb has assets to get the convo started. I'm sure Elway would like to get a Stanford qb to go along with his Stanford coach if possible. If Denver made a "Ricky Williams" type offer, Carolina shouldnt jump at that either?IMO, Luck has a greater chance of playing somewhere else can the Panthers and there wont be a public refusal but a trade will be made. Hope you arent too disapointed when it happens.
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EBF
Footballguy
I don't see that happening unless Carolina trades the pick. I just don't see Luck as the type who cares about media markets or sponsorship deals enough to force a trade to a team in a different city. That's not his personality at all.
If he declares, he's Carolina's to lose. Panther fans should be more worried about him returning to school than forcing a trade.
If he declares, he's Carolina's to lose. Panther fans should be more worried about him returning to school than forcing a trade.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Sorry to burst the what ifs, but Denver doesn't need a QB-they need a defense that can stop someone and help for a secondary that is on the verge of collecting social security checks.
If Luck was even there at #2 and Denver took him, it would be a pick made for some other team....
If Luck was even there at #2 and Denver took him, it would be a pick made for some other team....
babydemon90
Footballguy
almost 0 chance he does that, considering the CBA situation, and potential for loss of tens of millions if they call his bluff.
Yep, the one option I really hadn't thought much about. Whether or not it's REALLY about the degree or not we'll never know, but I doubt it's the only reason.
