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what are the chances that Griese starts in the playoffs? (1 Viewer)

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Bears now have a 2-game lead with 4 games to go as they try to clinch home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

I know that Lovie Smith has been pretty steadfast in his desire to stick with Grossman at QB even though he continues to struggle.

However, if they clinch home field advantage with a week or two to play in the season, it will be very easy for the team to give Griese a start or two.

A somewhat similar situation happened in Buffalo in the 1999-2000 season. Flutie was their QB all season long and the team was 10-5 heading into the last game of the season. Flutie struggled in a lot of games that year, but the team was carried by the league's #1 ranked defense. The team had already clinched a playoff spot so Rob Johnson got a chance to start in the season finale, he played great, and the Bills won 31-6.

After that, Wade Phillips shocked a lot of people when he announced that Rob Johnson would be the team's starter in the playoffs at Tennessee. Flutie cried about it and tried to take credit for the team winning all those games with him at QB, but the reality to most people who watched the team that year was that they were winning those games DESPITE him. Rob Johnson played well in the game against the Titans and drove the Bills to what should have been a game winning field goal at the end. Flutie loudly complained that the team would have won if they stuck with him at QB, but unless he was out there covering Dyson on a kickoff return I really doubt it.

Anyway, Wade Phillips wound up taking a lot of heat for his decision even though as a Bills fan, I was pretty certain he made the right move. The Bears keep winning this year despite Grossman's terrible play and I'm wondering if we could potentially see something like this happening again.

#1 Do you think Griese will get a chance to start a game this season?

#2 If he does and plays very well, what do you think the chances are that the Bears go with him as their starter in the playoffs?

Have there been any other recent situations where the starting QB on a playoff team was benched in the postseason?

 
#1 No, I think they're worried about undermining Grossman's confidence even more.

#2 I don't think Griese will start a playoff game, but if Grossman throws his second or third interception in one playoff game I think you'll see Griese for the remainder of that game. And as a starter for any other playoff games if he gets them out of that one alive.

 
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Question about the Bills situation....was Flutie the starter all year, or was Johnson the starter that got injured early in the year?

 
Have there been any other recent situations where the starting QB on a playoff team was benched in the postseason?
The Bears had a similar situation last year. Although not quite waiting until the playoffs, they benched Orton for Grossman around week 12 or 13.
I think that last year was different, only because Grossman was supposed to be the starter through the season, but was hurt. At this point I would be amazed if Griese ever gets on the field this year, but I am definitely one of the Bears fans hoping it happens.
 
I really can't see it unless Grossman gets hurt. I mean, why now? I thought Griese would take over by week 6, but Rex showed flashes of brillance and took hold of the job. He's laid clunkers before yesterday, so it's not like Lovie and company haven't seen it before.

I also think the munchkin needs the work and should play regardless of clinching. Maybe Griese gets some snaps, but Rex obviously needs the work too. If Rex gets hot and plays like he did earlier in the season, nobody will beat the Bears. That said, a performance like yesterday vs. a playoff caliber team and they can start thinking about the draft.

I like Griese, and think he is probabaly the "safer" QB, but now isn't the time to decide he is the guy to take them to the Super Bowl, that window closed.

 
Question about the Bills situation....was Flutie the starter all year, or was Johnson the starter that got injured early in the year?
Flutie was the starter all year. He had a great season in 1998-1999 and went to the Pro Bowl. In 1999-2000, Rob Johnson attempted 2 passes in a week 3 blowout win over the Eagles, but that was it until the season finale.
 
Didn't know if this was posted anywhere yet, and this seemed an appropriate thread...

From Fanball:

12/09/06 12:06 PM

THE NEWS

Bears quarterback Brian Griese has been taking half of the reps in practice this week as the team gets ready to play the Rams Monday night, according to the Chicago Sun Times.

Our View

Starting quarterback Rex Grossman has been awful in many games this season, highlighted by his 34-yard, three interception effort last week against the Vikings. It wouldn't be surprising if Griese gets a look if Grossman struggles in the first half Monday. It might just make the Bears passing game a bit more relevant for fantasy purposes.

 
Didn't know if this was posted anywhere yet, and this seemed an appropriate thread...

From Fanball:

12/09/06 12:06 PM

THE NEWS

Bears quarterback Brian Griese has been taking half of the reps in practice this week as the team gets ready to play the Rams Monday night, according to the Chicago Sun Times.

Our View

Starting quarterback Rex Grossman has been awful in many games this season, highlighted by his 34-yard, three interception effort last week against the Vikings. It wouldn't be surprising if Griese gets a look if Grossman struggles in the first half Monday. It might just make the Bears passing game a bit more relevant for fantasy purposes.
:goodposting: That is surprising.
 
Slim to none, Grossman seems to tear-up below average teams, and thats what the Bears will be playing the rest of the way.

 
I recall Griese having absolute meltdowns... which might give cause to go back to Grossman, but even Griese isn't capable of CONSISTENT failure like Grossman. Florida QB = great in college, due to the system, rarely works on in NFL. Period. End o' story.

 
Slim to none, Grossman seems to tear-up below average teams, and thats what the Bears will be playing the rest of the way.
Like Minnesota (before you jump, it's the Viking run D that's all-world... the pass D is opposite)or I'm sorry... maybe you are referring to the 1-5 Arizona Cardinals, when Rex lit them up for (OH MY GOD!!! I just relooked it up)... 4 INTs... and 2 FUMBLES. 6 turnovers against Arizona.... yeah, and Jake Plummer and Drew Bledsoe sucked.If the Chicago D was mediocre or even on the bottom half of the top 10... Grossman would be riding pine weeks ago. These defense pulling the weight during the reg season is all fine and good..otherwise, Chicago is TOAST if /when they are down 17 pts.
 
Slim to none, Grossman seems to tear-up below average teams, and thats what the Bears will be playing the rest of the way.
And if he throws three picks against a below average team and they are losing heading into the fourth Q.? Do you think those numbers go from "slim" to at least "average" - even if the D somehow pulls out a win (ala Arizona Cards).I don't think the Bears can screw around with worrying about Grossman's "confidence." Teams have very few shots at the Bowl and, right now, the Bears seem pretty much ready. Their greatest concerns are, IMO, QB turnovers, playcalling, and run attack. In that order.The greatest problem area can, arguably, be improved with a QB switch.Since he took his first confidence hit v. AZ:8 TDs, 14 picks 213 att. 105 cmp.under 50% completions - and an average of 35 attempts per game.In short, he is consistently putting his team in poor situations, yet the D is consistently bailing him out. Defense wins championships, but every team that has been to the Bowl has received competent, low-mistake, efficient quarterbacking.Right now, Grossman is providing high-risk, high-reward QB'ing. Griese may never turn your head with the downfield accuracy that Grossman has displayed, and he is known for poor decision making, but it might not be a bad idea to shake some of the rust off. Esp. if the team wins this game and becomes one win away from clinching a first round bye (the loser of the Dall-NO game is highly unlikely to catch the Bears either on overall record and on conference wins - if the Bears win Monday night they will be 3 up on the loser of that game and the Bears will be 8-0 in the NFC).The NFC title game is littered with top-notch defenses that were unable to get to the big game because they had mistakes on the other side of the ball from the QB spot. It would behoove the team to consider seeing what Griese's got if Grossman struggles.
 
some interesting Grossman stats

CAT TD Int RateOWN 1-20 0 2 50.9OWN 21-50 1 10 56.5OPP 49-20 8 4 80.6OPP 19-1 9 1 193.6HOME GAMES 12 6 86.3ROAD GAMES 6 11 58.81ST HALF 12 9 80.92ND HALF 6 8 60.9MARGIN 0-7 1 9 32.5MARGIN 8-14 1 3 29.8MARGIN 15+ 16 5 101.0So if he's on the road pinned behind the 50-yard line in the 4th qtr, he's toast.... at home in the red-zone in the 1st quarter...he's golden.the most telling stat is the last one... he's a CARETAKER... admit it. I'm not a Bears fan, so they can leave him for what's it's worth... but he's certainly not on the Montana/Elway growth curve.

Me thinks he won't take playoff diversity well...(snicker)

 
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Slim to none, Grossman seems to tear-up below average teams, and thats what the Bears will be playing the rest of the way.
Like Minnesota (before you jump, it's the Viking run D that's all-world... the pass D is opposite)or I'm sorry... maybe you are referring to the 1-5 Arizona Cardinals, when Rex lit them up for (OH MY GOD!!! I just relooked it up)... 4 INTs... and 2 FUMBLES. 6 turnovers against Arizona.... yeah, and Jake Plummer and Drew Bledsoe sucked.If the Chicago D was mediocre or even on the bottom half of the top 10... Grossman would be riding pine weeks ago. These defense pulling the weight during the reg season is all fine and good..otherwise, Chicago is TOAST if /when they are down 17 pts.
Miami's pass D is not particularly good, either. While they don't sacrifice a ton of yards, they give up a ton of pass TDs and get almost no INTs.Grossman had very few yards, poor completion rate, was sacked over and over (blame the OL), and Grossman gave the Dolphins over 1/3rd of their season INT totals (Dolphins have 8 INTs on the season, Grossman gave them three of them.It's not all on Grossman- the Bears OL play is as much a concern as the playcalling or Grossman's mistakes.
 
Slim to none, Grossman seems to tear-up below average teams, and thats what the Bears will be playing the rest of the way.
In short, he is consistently putting his team in poor situations, yet the D is consistently bailing him out. Defense wins championships, but every team that has been to the Bowl has received competent, low-mistake, efficient quarterbacking.
:goodposting: At least Trent Dilfer made sure he didn't F'd it. Grossman does everything he can, in order to do so.
 
So if he's on the road pinned behind the 50-yard line in the 4th qtr, he's toast.... at home in the red-zone in the 1st quarter...he's golden.
And if he's pinned behind the 50-yard line in the 4th qtr with a deficit?He's sitting @ home while Dallas goes to the Super Bowl. :lmao:
 
The backup QB is the most popular player in every town.

With that said, Grossman will be this teams QB and they will sink or swim with him. The time to change has passed.

 
...and... (to keep beating on this), when they lose... he certainly seems to do his part.

Code:
TD	 INT	 RATINGWINS	17	11	82.8LOSSES	1	6	30.9
It's not like you can look at those games and say... well, Rex did all he could do.
 
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I wonder how Rex is taking the fact that Griese is getting half of the first team snaps currently (in practice)? Since his confidence is shaken, will this fire him up or shake his confidence even further? If Rex struggles in the first half, he should be benched in favor of Griese; at least for the remainder of the game, imho.

 
Somebody has been reading up on Rex today.

I wonder how Rex is taking the fact that Griese is getting half of the first team snaps currently (in practice)?
Griese got half the 1st team reps this week.http://www.fflivewire.com/Article.asp?ID=1292006bzt1574zu

Since his confidence is shaken, will this fire him up or shake his confidence even further? If Rex struggles in the first half, he should be benched in favor of Griese; at least for the remainder of the game, imho.
Maybe Grossman doesn't start the 2nd half on MNF.http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...bears-headlines

 
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Somebody has been reading up on Rex today.

I wonder how Rex is taking the fact that Griese is getting half of the first team snaps currently (in practice)?
Griese got half the 1st team reps this week.
Since his confidence is shaken, will this fire him up or shake his confidence even further? If Rex struggles in the first half, he should be benched in favor of Griese; at least for the remainder of the game, imho.
Maybe Grossman doesn't start the 2nd half on MNF.http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...bears-headlines
Yeah, a few posts up I posted Fanball's comment on this exact thing... that Griese is getting half of the snaps with the first team in practice. After a few posts about the Bears QB situation by other posters I asked the question that you quoted; as I'm wondering how others feel Grossman will handle this move by the coaching staff. Will Grossman take it well and use it as motivation or will it shake his confidence even further. I guess I'm leaning toward the latter, but thought that some folks may have some insight on this or maybe a strong gut feeling.
 
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If Grossman can't acknowledge his crapaholic play, he deserves to have his confidence shattered because he must have a really swollen noggin.

And if he can't improve it after as clear a sign as he received this week, don't you all think he should be benched?

 
Griese should get more snaps in practice. Light a fire under Grossman. I think the kid has some guts, so my personal opinion is that this will help him. we will see Monday night. If he stinks up the joint, then I think they have to bench him and see what happens.

I think the bears are looking at it this way. They have a 2 game lead for home field advantage. They are grooming a QB and still trying to win a super bowl. They are not in danger yet of losing home field advantage, so they are trying to see if Rex can be the Qb of the future or not. Lovie has a history of playing the better guys at all positions. I am the biggest supporter of Rex, but this is getting out of control. He is playing like complete chit. monday night will show us what we need to know about rex. Can he handle the pressure or not? I think he comes through.

Also, Ron Turner (OC) has to do a better job of play calling. Quit calling plays that the first read is a deep route. Rex loves those and he needs to learn to check down. Run the shorter routes and RUN the ball more often.

 
If Grossman can't acknowledge his crapaholic play, he deserves to have his confidence shattered because he must have a really swollen noggin.And if he can't improve it after as clear a sign as he received this week, don't you all think he should be benched?
Have you listened to any press conferences rex has done? When he plays like crap, he is the first one to say it.
 
If Grossman can't acknowledge his crapaholic play, he deserves to have his confidence shattered because he must have a really swollen noggin.And if he can't improve it after as clear a sign as he received this week, don't you all think he should be benched?
Have you listened to any press conferences rex has done? When he plays like crap, he is the first one to say it.
Then he'll have no problem being benched if he stinks up the joint in the first half mondy night, right?I was responding to someone who said he's afraid Rex will shrink rather than grow if benched. I disagree with that assessment.
 
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Slim to none, Grossman seems to tear-up below average teams, and thats what the Bears will be playing the rest of the way.
In short, he is consistently putting his team in poor situations, yet the D is consistently bailing him out. Defense wins championships, but every team that has been to the Bowl has received competent, low-mistake, efficient quarterbacking.
:goodposting: At least Trent Dilfer made sure he didn't F'd it. Grossman does everything he can, in order to do so.
That's actually just a misconception. In 2000, Dilfer averaged 4.9 INT/100ATT, which is a very high figure. For comparison's sake, Grossman's averaging 4.7 INT/100ATT this year, so he's actually been a little less mistake prone than Dilfer. The 2000 league average INT/100ATT was 3.2.Interestingly enough, Dilfer and Grossman both averaged 6.7 Y/A, and Grossman has 1 more passing TD than INT this year, just like Dilfer in 2000. Throw in the great defense and special teams, along with two good RBs, and there are quite a few comparisons between the teams.
 
Wow, the Bears pass D has a 53.1 QB Rating allowed. That's incredible. I don't have any numbers offhand, but I'd imagine that's easily in the top 5 over the past 30 years.

 
Slim to none, Grossman seems to tear-up below average teams, and thats what the Bears will be playing the rest of the way.
In short, he is consistently putting his team in poor situations, yet the D is consistently bailing him out. Defense wins championships, but every team that has been to the Bowl has received competent, low-mistake, efficient quarterbacking.
:goodposting: At least Trent Dilfer made sure he didn't F'd it. Grossman does everything he can, in order to do so.
That's actually just a misconception. In 2000, Dilfer averaged 4.9 INT/100ATT, which is a very high figure. For comparison's sake, Grossman's averaging 4.7 INT/100ATT this year, so he's actually been a little less mistake prone than Dilfer. The 2000 league average INT/100ATT was 3.2.Interestingly enough, Dilfer and Grossman both averaged 6.7 Y/A, and Grossman has 1 more passing TD than INT this year, just like Dilfer in 2000. Throw in the great defense and special teams, along with two good RBs, and there are quite a few comparisons between the teams.
Dilfer in the playoffs that year:
2000 den W,21-3 | 9 14 130 1 0 | 1 2 0 2000 ten W,24-10 | 5 16 117 0 0 | 4 1 0 2000 oak W,16-3 | 9 18 190 1 1 | 7 4 0*2000 nyg W,34-7 | 12 25 153 1 0 | 1 0 0
His poor QB'ing during the year left that great D in a WC spot, and he then played efficiently and mistake free through the playoffs.He also wasn't their QB all year long - Tony Banks was performing even MORE poorly.Like I said, defense gets you the championship, but you also need competent mistake free QB'ing in the playoffs to do it.
 
Slim to none, Grossman seems to tear-up below average teams, and thats what the Bears will be playing the rest of the way.
In short, he is consistently putting his team in poor situations, yet the D is consistently bailing him out. Defense wins championships, but every team that has been to the Bowl has received competent, low-mistake, efficient quarterbacking.
:goodposting: At least Trent Dilfer made sure he didn't F'd it. Grossman does everything he can, in order to do so.
That's actually just a misconception. In 2000, Dilfer averaged 4.9 INT/100ATT, which is a very high figure. For comparison's sake, Grossman's averaging 4.7 INT/100ATT this year, so he's actually been a little less mistake prone than Dilfer. The 2000 league average INT/100ATT was 3.2.Interestingly enough, Dilfer and Grossman both averaged 6.7 Y/A, and Grossman has 1 more passing TD than INT this year, just like Dilfer in 2000. Throw in the great defense and special teams, along with two good RBs, and there are quite a few comparisons between the teams.
Dilfer in the playoffs that year:
2000 den W,21-3 | 9 14 130 1 0 | 1 2 0 2000 ten W,24-10 | 5 16 117 0 0 | 4 1 0 2000 oak W,16-3 | 9 18 190 1 1 | 7 4 0*2000 nyg W,34-7 | 12 25 153 1 0 | 1 0 0
His poor QB'ing during the year left that great D in a WC spot, and he then played efficiently and mistake free through the playoffs.He also wasn't their QB all year long - Tony Banks was performing even MORE poorly.Like I said, defense gets you the championship, but you also need competent mistake free QB'ing in the playoffs to do it.
I really don't know how you could argue that Dilfer was a mistake free QB. He averaged 4 INT/100 ATT for his career, had more INTs than TDs for his career, had a terrible completion percentage, and like I said, was significantly more mistake prone than normal (for him) in 2000. He only threw 1 interception in 73 attempts in the post-season that year, but that's a pretty small sample size. I'd agree that having a QB that doesn't make mistakes is going to help you win, but Dilfer wasn't that. If Grossman throws only 1 INT in 73 pass attempts in the playoffs, I still wouldn't say he's a mistake free QB.
 
Dilfer in the playoffs that year:

2000 den W,21-3 | 9 14 130 1 0 | 1 2 0 2000 ten W,24-10 | 5 16 117 0 0 | 4 1 0 2000 oak W,16-3 | 9 18 190 1 1 | 7 4 0*2000 nyg W,34-7 | 12 25 153 1 0 | 1 0 0
His poor QB'ing during the year left that great D in a WC spot, and he then played efficiently and mistake free through the playoffs.He also wasn't their QB all year long - Tony Banks was performing even MORE poorly.Like I said, defense gets you the championship, but you also need competent mistake free QB'ing in the playoffs to do it.
I really don't know how you could argue that Dilfer was a mistake free QB.
Chase - read, then digest, the above. Then get back to me on what I was arguing.I cited Dilfer's playoff run to the Super Bowl, not his career stats.For everyone else, note that Dilfer almost never had to throw the ball in the playoffs - that is not the way the Bears' play the game. And the Bears' OL woes in the run game are gonna sink the Bears in January as much, or more, than Grossman's mistakes. Grossman's mistakes are something that the team can possibly fix as easily as naming a new starter. Either way, as i contended originally, getting what some time running the offense is a smart move if Grossman's mistakes continue on MNF.
 
BOLD PREDICTION

During the coaches’ halftime speech :rant: at this week’s big Monday night game in St. Louis, Brian Griese manages to sneak away unnoticed. :ph34r: The coaching staff for the sixth straight weekend is pleading Rex to hand off the ball to Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson or at least to throw some shorter outlet passes and check down rather than continuing to try to ‘bomb away’ with ‘lollipops and rainbow throws’ deep downfield into the arms of eagerly awaiting defenders, but of course there pleas are once again falling on Grossman’s deaf ears. :tfp: While Rex is so preoccupied :yawn: nodding, smiling, and pretending to listen to the coaching staffs’ every word, he fails to notice Griese rummaging through his locker. Brian’s stealthy determination finally pays off and brings to a successful conclusion what has been a season long quest :stalker: to find and recover the compromising photos :pics: of Lovie :X that Rex obviously has had stashed away in his traveling gear.

Griese promptly turns ‘the goods’ over to his headcoach :excited: and instantly becomes the Bears QB for the second half of the game and also for the remainder of 2006 and the playoffs. Griese also goes on to lead the Bears to a thrilling last second victory in Super Bowl LVI :wub: (assisted by Super Bowl MVP Robbie Gould’s record setting seventh field goal) over the San Diego Chargers by a final score of 21-20. While Ladainian Tomlinson does manage to rush for 212 yards and 2 touchdowns against them, the Bears defense also forces Philip Rivers to turn in a “Rex Grossman-like” performance (committing four turnovers and passing for a mere 71 yds. with no TDs).

Griese is subsequently rewarded with a three year contract extension to finish out his career as the Bears starting QB. His job for the next few years mainly consists of handing the ball off to Cedric Benson, getting into Robbie Gould’s field goal range, and simply not turning the ball over on every other possession so that the Bear’s ferocious defense and strong special teams are no longer forced to win games single-handedly as they were during the short-lived “Rex Grossman era”. :yucky: Rexy, on the other hand, is released :clyde: and the Bears draft a new “QB of the future” in the 2007 draft to hold a clip board for a few seasons behind veteran Brian Griese.

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That'd be, sleep, wake up and drink coffee, realize I'm a homer, cry about the fact that it was just a nice dream

Sorry - hadda do it with all those smilies.

 
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:sleep: :coffee: :homer: :cry:That'd be, sleep, wake up and drink coffee, realize I'm a homer, cry about the fact that it was just a nice dream Sorry - hadda do it with all those smilies.
:bye: Yeah , you're probably right... After Griese gets the Bears to the Super Bowl. The Chargers offense would be hard pressed to score 20 pts. without Grossman there to hand the ball to them in great field position and it's unrealistic to expect them to drive the length of the field against the Bears D. Also Hester would run back a punt or kickoff for a TD, and Urlacher and the defense would be good for at least one or two scores, so no way is Gould the MVP. Most likely it would have to be a defensive player or two from the Bears. :yes:
 
Slim to none, Grossman seems to tear-up below average teams, and thats what the Bears will be playing the rest of the way.
In short, he is consistently putting his team in poor situations, yet the D is consistently bailing him out. Defense wins championships, but every team that has been to the Bowl has received competent, low-mistake, efficient quarterbacking.
:goodposting: At least Trent Dilfer made sure he didn't F'd it. Grossman does everything he can, in order to do so.
That's actually just a misconception. In 2000, Dilfer averaged 4.9 INT/100ATT, which is a very high figure. For comparison's sake, Grossman's averaging 4.7 INT/100ATT this year, so he's actually been a little less mistake prone than Dilfer. The 2000 league average INT/100ATT was 3.2.Interestingly enough, Dilfer and Grossman both averaged 6.7 Y/A, and Grossman has 1 more passing TD than INT this year, just like Dilfer in 2000. Throw in the great defense and special teams, along with two good RBs, and there are quite a few comparisons between the teams.
Dilfer in the playoffs that year:
2000 den W,21-3 | 9 14 130 1 0 | 1 2 0 2000 ten W,24-10 | 5 16 117 0 0 | 4 1 0 2000 oak W,16-3 | 9 18 190 1 1 | 7 4 0*2000 nyg W,34-7 | 12 25 153 1 0 | 1 0 0
His poor QB'ing during the year left that great D in a WC spot, and he then played efficiently and mistake free through the playoffs.He also wasn't their QB all year long - Tony Banks was performing even MORE poorly.Like I said, defense gets you the championship, but you also need competent mistake free QB'ing in the playoffs to do it.
How exactly did Dilfer's "poor QB'ing during the year" leave Balt in a WC spot? Dilfer was 7-1 in the regular season as a starter that year. Even if his QB'ing was "poor", I don't see how the 7-1 record can be blamed for Baltimore's failure to win the division.
 
Aaron,

Jay Glazer on Fox pregame said Lovie told him Rex would go half to half. If he doesn't perform well in a half he will be benched for the remainder of the season for Griese

 

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