What do New Orleans folks and Saints fans think of Reggie Bush? (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

Seems the chic thing to do these days is to point out Reggie's shortcomings. Some of us have been doing this for years. Others are just now abandoning the Bush Bandwagon. I'm just wondering what the average New Orleans football fans think of him? Are the football columnists turning on him yet in the local papers? Are Sports Talk shows rife with criticism? Or does he still have a following?

The guy makes some astounding plays and makes Sportscenter all the time. But the stat line shows him to be mediocre at best. Just wondering that the general feel is for Bush down in the Big Easy? Is the honeymoon still on?

 

[ATC1]

I'd say most Saints fans still think he will be great. There are clips on the forums of him changing up his off season routine, saying the right things, saying he had difficult last half because he had knee instability. For a shifty back, it is more of a problem to have a PCL injury.

However, I think most Saints fans realize the imporance of Deuce or immergance of P. Thomas as a complmentary RB to pair up with him.

 

[valhallan]

Basically what ATC said. I don't think his low YPC and lack of big runs is totally indicative of what we will see going forward. He clearly has the physical tools to improve, but there are some mental hurdles he needs to clear. He has to understand that he can not go for the big play every time he touches the ball. Often times it's best to lean forward and get an extra yard or two than to dance around trying to make someone miss. I believe he's smart enough and motivated enough to examine his game and improve it.

 

[moderated]

I was high on him until he started dating Kim Kardashian. From what i heard he pays a ton of attention to her and that can't be good for his dedication to football.

He won't fail due to talent, it will mostly be due to Kim.

 

[switz]

I was high on him until he started dating Kim Kardashian. From what i heard he pays a ton of attention to her and that can't be good for his dedication to football.He won't fail due to talent, it will mostly be due to Kim.

Can't understand why ANYONE would date KK

 

[moderated]

I was high on him until he started dating Kim Kardashian. From what i heard he pays a ton of attention to her and that can't be good for his dedication to football.He won't fail due to talent, it will mostly be due to Kim.

Can't understand why ANYONE would date KK

i know people aren't going to incorporate his dating KK in how they view him, but i honestly think it speaks volumes about his judgment.Not only is he dating her, but he is actually in love with her. I could see a short-term dating thing but all reports say he's actually serious about her.I was a huge fan of Reggie, but instead of spending time learning football he'll be spending time on his web cam with Kim during the football season.

 

[Donnie Brasco]

You gotta love that booty

 

[saintfool]

he'll be fine this year, i think. those of us that watched the saints games saw that it wasn't just him. the offense - players and coaches alike - were out of synch much of the year. reggie knows this is an important year for him.

 

[dandeo4]

I was high on him until he started dating Kim Kardashian. From what i heard he pays a ton of attention to her and that can't be good for his dedication to football.He won't fail due to talent, it will mostly be due to Kim.

Can't understand why ANYONE would date KK

i know people aren't going to incorporate his dating KK in how they view him, but i honestly think it speaks volumes about his judgment.Not only is he dating her, but he is actually in love with her. I could see a short-term dating thing but all reports say he's actually serious about her.I was a huge fan of Reggie, but instead of spending time learning football he'll be spending time on his web cam with Kim during the football season.

FWIW, my sister-in-law attended a small dinner party that the couple was at. She said Reggie seems like a really great guy, but that KK treats him like a total lap dog...

 

[Brownsfan07]

ugh! more pissing and moaning!

i belive he is their savior! even with last year's 7-9 season.

 

[hunter1]

You gotta love that booty

Funny. The 67 year old Ukrainian woman who cleans my office at night has the EXACT same can. On a positive note, though, sometimes she lets us show Power Point presentations on it.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I was high on him until he started dating Kim Kardashian. From what i heard he pays a ton of attention to her and that can't be good for his dedication to football.

He won't fail due to talent, it will mostly be due to Kim.

Can't understand why ANYONE would date KK

 

[tombonneau]

I was high on him until he started dating Kim Kardashian. From what i heard he pays a ton of attention to her and that can't be good for his dedication to football.He won't fail due to talent, it will mostly be due to Kim.

Can't understand why ANYONE would date KK

i know people aren't going to incorporate his dating KK in how they view him, but i honestly think it speaks volumes about his judgment.Not only is he dating her, but he is actually in love with her. I could see a short-term dating thing but all reports say he's actually serious about her.I was a huge fan of Reggie, but instead of spending time learning football he'll be spending time on his web cam with Kim during the football season.

Funny, I made a post about a month or so ago commenting on the recent offensive star players for USC (Bush, Leinart, Lendale, Williams, Jarrett, Byrd) seem to have maturity/work ethic issues.I pointed out Bush's dating of KK as a sign he isn't as focused as football as he should be given there reality star socialite schedule and was roundly lambasted for suggested it would have any impact. maintenance But suffice to say I agree that dating a high-maintenance reality star is not conducive to a strong & focused NFL work ethic.

 

[Dancing Bear]

Let's review the facts, shall we ...

a) The man has under-performed since he entered the league.

b) The man had a season ending knee injury.

Do you really believe that in 2008 he will bounce back and be even what he was last year? Do you really believe that even that was adequate performance?

Bush has only 3 rushes for over 20 yards in his two year career. Adrian Peterson had 11 in his first year and 5 over 40 yards in his first year. This is a man with potential who knows how to turn it into performance.

Bush also had FUMBLITIS once he started carrying the load and taking the real hits. 7 fumbles in only 12 games ...

There is a huge athletic potential in this man named Reggie Bush, and even more HYPE. So far he has not produced ... I don't believe that he has the character to turn it around. There is too much focus on $, promoting Reggie, and making a splash ... not enough focus on improving at football or playing a role in a TEAM game.

 

[TheFanatic]

Let's review the facts, shall we ...a) The man has under-performed since he entered the league.b) The man had a season ending knee injury.Do you really believe that in 2008 he will bounce back and be even what he was last year? Do you really believe that even that was adequate performance?Bush has only 3 rushes for over 20 yards in his two year career. Adrian Peterson had 11 in his first year and 5 over 40 yards in his first year. This is a man with potential who knows how to turn it into performance.Bush also had FUMBLITIS once he started carrying the load and taking the real hits. 7 fumbles in only 12 games ...There is a huge athletic potential in this man named Reggie Bush, and even more HYPE. So far he has not produced ... I don't believe that he has the character to turn it around. There is too much focus on $, promoting Reggie, and making a splash ... not enough focus on improving at football or playing a role in a TEAM game.

Ouch. This is a pretty painful summation of Reggie. Accurate but brutal....

 

[Borat]

Bush has only 3 rushes for over 20 yards in his two year career.

Wow, I didn't realize that. Pathetic.

 

[gianmarco]

I'd say most Saints fans still think he will be great. There are clips on the forums of him changing up his off season routine, saying the right things, saying he had difficult last half because he had knee instability. For a shifty back, it is more of a problem to have a PCL injury. However, I think most Saints fans realize the imporance of Deuce or immergance of P. Thomas as a complmentary RB to pair up with him.

This is my impression as well. Not that it matters much, but I wonder how many of the critics in this thread are actually from the New Orleans area as the thread was inquiring about. I can tell you from most conversations I've had with anyone, very few view Bush in a negative light. Part of that is due to homerism, I'm sure, but part is also watching the games and realizing that a BIG problem with what happened last year was the playcalling and not Bush himself. Don't know how else to say it. But, most EVERYONE realizes the importance of having a 2nd RB that can do the inside stuff.

 

[Eradicator]

I'd say most Saints fans still think he will be great. There are clips on the forums of him changing up his off season routine, saying the right things, saying he had difficult last half because he had knee instability. For a shifty back, it is more of a problem to have a PCL injury. However, I think most Saints fans realize the imporance of Deuce or immergance of P. Thomas as a complmentary RB to pair up with him.

This is my impression as well. Not that it matters much, but I wonder how many of the critics in this thread are actually from the New Orleans area as the thread was inquiring about. I can tell you from most conversations I've had with anyone, very few view Bush in a negative light. Part of that is due to homerism, I'm sure, but part is also watching the games and realizing that a BIG problem with what happened last year was the playcalling and not Bush himself. Don't know how else to say it. But, most EVERYONE realizes the importance of having a 2nd RB that can do the inside stuff.

I find it a bit amusing as you're from STL

 

[gianmarco]

I'd say most Saints fans still think he will be great. There are clips on the forums of him changing up his off season routine, saying the right things, saying he had difficult last half because he had knee instability. For a shifty back, it is more of a problem to have a PCL injury. However, I think most Saints fans realize the imporance of Deuce or immergance of P. Thomas as a complmentary RB to pair up with him.

This is my impression as well. Not that it matters much, but I wonder how many of the critics in this thread are actually from the New Orleans area as the thread was inquiring about. I can tell you from most conversations I've had with anyone, very few view Bush in a negative light. Part of that is due to homerism, I'm sure, but part is also watching the games and realizing that a BIG problem with what happened last year was the playcalling and not Bush himself. Don't know how else to say it. But, most EVERYONE realizes the importance of having a 2nd RB that can do the inside stuff.

I find it a bit amusing as you're from STL

You do? Did you know I moved to St. Louis 2 weeks ago after spending the last 6 yrs in New Orleans? Hilarious, huh?

 

[cheatsheetwarroom]

I'd say most Saints fans still think he will be great. There are clips on the forums of him changing up his off season routine, saying the right things, saying he had difficult last half because he had knee instability. For a shifty back, it is more of a problem to have a PCL injury.

However, I think most Saints fans realize the imporance of Deuce or immergance of P. Thomas as a complmentary RB to pair up with him.

Good question TheFinatic.Resident Saints homer here!

ATC1, for the most part you are incorrect, please read on....

As a true die hard Saints fan with season tickets, I can tell you that the majority of Saints fans are very well-grounded when it comes to expectations from Reggie. When Reggie was given the starting job last year, and didn't excel, most fans saw the writing on the wall and now realize that Reggie just isn't an every-down-back in the NFL. There are some forums where there is much more homerism going on, but I personally hang at WhoDatZone and the fans there mostly agree that Reggie will only be effective is used properly, and that doesn't involve running between the tackles.

Personally, I think Reggie should be utilized like he was in college, as a change of pace back, slot receiver, and kick returner. He has had two years to learn how to pick up yards as a RB in the NFL and frankly his big play ability has regressed and his vision seems to have only improved very little, if at all. I am one of the most skeptical in regards to Reggie, but then again I don't believe anything about any NFL player until I see it with my own eyes, and to date Reggie has only delivered in spurts. The poor kid will never live up to the hype that surrounded him coming out of college, but to date he hasn't even lived up to half of his billing.

To Reggie's credit, he has changed his habits this off-season and worked out with the team locally instead of by himself in SoCal. Also, by listening to him you can tell that he is humbled by his sophomore slump and has a new sense of urgency; word out of camp is that he really, really looks good. That doesn't change my opinion of him, but at least it is encouraging news.

Sure there are some Saints fans out there who are holding out hope that the light will turn on and Reggie will prove all of the critics wrong, but if you want to see honest assessments of Reggie from true Saints fans, check out the following thread from my regular hang out:

Is Reggie Who We Thought He Was

That should give you a good sample of how die-hard fans really feel. Several of the guys on this forum were dreading the Bush pick when it went down (to screams and jeers of course), but they seem to have been right. FYI, the majority of informed Saints fans are hoping that Pierre Thomas gets a legit chance at starting.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I've called him a glorified Dave Megget since day 1. Yes the guy will catch a boat load of catches, but look at his yards to all those catches. Reggie Bush is not playing Fresno St any more. Lineman in the Nfl are just as fast as him. He'll never be able to carry the load for a team. It was good for New Orleans the year they drafted him. It helped the city out alot, got everyone excited. Looks like the Texans where right taking a DE over him.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I'd say most Saints fans still think he will be great. There are clips on the forums of him changing up his off season routine, saying the right things, saying he had difficult last half because he had knee instability. For a shifty back, it is more of a problem to have a PCL injury.

However, I think most Saints fans realize the imporance of Deuce or immergance of P. Thomas as a complmentary RB to pair up with him.

Personally, I think Reggie should be utilized like he was in college, as a change of pace back, slot receiver, and kick returner.

I wouldn't want to spend a number 2 pick overall, on someone like that.

 

[cheatsheetwarroom]

I'd say most Saints fans still think he will be great. There are clips on the forums of him changing up his off season routine, saying the right things, saying he had difficult last half because he had knee instability. For a shifty back, it is more of a problem to have a PCL injury.

However, I think most Saints fans realize the imporance of Deuce or immergance of P. Thomas as a complmentary RB to pair up with him.

Personally, I think Reggie should be utilized like he was in college, as a change of pace back, slot receiver, and kick returner.

I wouldn't want to spend a number 2 pick overall, on someone like that.

And it looks like you'd be right. Hindsight is 20/20 and remember the conventional thinking was that he would change the way the game was played. Oops! Will Reggie ever live up to his #2 selection?

So far

#2 Calvin Johnson hasn't blown anyone away

#2 Ronnie Brown has played well when not injured

#2 Robert Gallery is largely viewed as a bust

#2 Charles Rogers IS a bust

#2 Julius Peppers has largely fallen off the map

.....

I agree that he isn't what he was billed as, but if we're comparing him to other #2's I'd say the jury is still out. He has one impressive year and one unimpressive year. It's year 3 and Reggie needs to put up or shut-up, IMO.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I don't belive it took Lebron James, or Sidney Crosby 3 years. I know there both 2 different sports. But the three of some where so hyped, with Reggie being number 1 I'd say. Plus he a 2 extra years, where Crosby and James played in the pros as kids. Bush was hyped up big time, and has done nothing. He returned a punt that anyone on this board could of returned, as there was noone near him. And had along run in the NFC championship, points at Urlacher, in Urlacher's house, and does nothing after that. He is a BUST!!!!!!! He is what you called him, a change of pace back, a third down receiver, and a punt returner. Ala Look at the Megget Run!

 

[cheatsheetwarroom]

Bush was hyped up big time, and has done nothing.

He was definitely hyped-up (beyond the stratosphere), but I'm not sure why Reggie should be held up to what the media's expectation of him is defined as. If you want to judge Reggie honestly, look at his draft position and salary and ask yourself if he justifies it; so far he hasn't. But to say he has done "nothing" and is a bust after two years shows that you're not well informed and haven't watched many Saints games. Reggie was a large part of the NFC Championship run not only because of his stat output, but because he was able to draw attention from other players on the offense. That level of respect disappeared last year and Reggie didn't deliver, granted. But to say his a bust after two years (when his rookie year was actually productive) and that he has done "nothing" shows you must have something against him personally or a need to justify your (probably well formed) doubts. I guess by that logic 50% of the #2 selections over the last 10 years also did "nothing" and are busts. As the original poster stated, it's now 'chic' to diss Reggie because some people like to gloat over their initial doubts, but let's at least be fair and honest.As I said before he hasn't lived up to the hype, or his salary, but I'm willing to give him one more year to turn thing around. For Reggie to prove me wrong, he'll need to deliver 125+ all-purpose yards on a semi-regular basis and also be a force in the return game. If he can do this while we use Deuce or Thomas in a more traditional RB role then I'll be satisfied with his production because I think that is enough for us to win ball games. Faulk struggled just as bad in his first 2 years (actually 3 I believe) so I guess anything is possible; still I'm skeptical.As I said, I don't compare players to hype, I compare them to their salary and other players selected at their draft position.

 

[Patoons]

Bush has only 3 rushes for over 20 yards in his two year career.

Wow, I didn't realize that. Pathetic.

Again - he is not an NFL RB---- but great out of the backfield. His numbers arent indicative of his complete impact either.

 

[tombonneau]

I'd say most Saints fans still think he will be great. There are clips on the forums of him changing up his off season routine, saying the right things, saying he had difficult last half because he had knee instability. For a shifty back, it is more of a problem to have a PCL injury. However, I think most Saints fans realize the imporance of Deuce or immergance of P. Thomas as a complmentary RB to pair up with him.

This is my impression as well. Not that it matters much, but I wonder how many of the critics in this thread are actually from the New Orleans area as the thread was inquiring about. I can tell you from most conversations I've had with anyone, very few view Bush in a negative light. Part of that is due to homerism, I'm sure, but part is also watching the games and realizing that a BIG problem with what happened last year was the playcalling and not Bush himself. Don't know how else to say it. But, most EVERYONE realizes the importance of having a 2nd RB that can do the inside stuff.

I find it a bit amusing as you're from STL

You do? Did you know I moved to St. Louis 2 weeks ago after spending the last 6 yrs in New Orleans? Hilarious, huh?

Always makes me when a gets

 

[kremenull]

These "Bush-whackers" kill me......One thing I'd like to point out is that in comparing MJD vs. Bush in PPR leagues, which I play primarily, over the first two seasons MJD has less than 5 TOTAL pts more than Bush, and Bush has played 3 fewer gms. The sole reason why MJD is looked as some fantasy Adonis is because of his stellar Week 14-16 finish in 2006, which coincides with the fantasy playoff season. His owners were handsomely rewarded and I'm sure they all got him very cheap that year. I'll give some credit to MJD for that finish, but in reality, the strong finish was more situational and just happenstance than anything else. My point is to illustrate that Bush's fantasy impact thus far has not been as disappointing as often depicted.......And certainly going forward, I'd say that Bush >> MJD......

 

[kremenull]

I've called him a glorified Dave Megget since day 1. Yes the guy will catch a boat load of catches, but look at his yards to all those catches. Reggie Bush is not playing Fresno St any more. Lineman in the Nfl are just as fast as him. He'll never be able to carry the load for a team. It was good for New Orleans the year they drafted him. It helped the city out alot, got everyone excited. Looks like the Texans where right taking a DE over him.

Just the facts, Jack.....This statement is so ludicrous it's not even funny.....And how do you know that if Bush went to a zone-blocking, Denver Bronco style running scheme in Houston, that Bush would not be thriving big-time right now......The point is, we don't yet know if the drafting of Williams was best for them. We do know that Williams has played fairly superb, so they did not make a bad choice.......

 

[SproutDaddy]

Bush has only 3 rushes for over 20 yards in his two year career.

Wow, I didn't realize that. Pathetic.

Again - he is not an NFL RB---- but great out of the backfield. His numbers arent indicative of his complete impact either.

I'm pretty sure that OL had it's problems last year. Let's not write him off yet.