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No I would not draft Best in the 1st round.
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What happened to Jahvid Best this week? (1 Viewer)
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And against a very good run defense.FreeBaGeL said:
What about Collie in the 2nd?
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Hellfire Snail
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Oh no you didn't!Ignoratio Elenchi said:
CowboysHomer
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This thread's pretty funny. Everyone said Minny was going to shut him down. He was averaging 7 yards a touch (rushing + receiving) prior to getting hurt.
Benched him vs Philly thinking Philly had a decent defense
Started him vs Vikings thinking how can I bench the TD leader.
Wish those two weeks were reversed. Could've started Hillis today.
I'll let all you Best owners know what I'm going to do next week so you can do the opposite.
Started him vs Vikings thinking how can I bench the TD leader.
Wish those two weeks were reversed. Could've started Hillis today.
I'll let all you Best owners know what I'm going to do next week so you can do the opposite.
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ROBOPUNTER
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39 yards is 39 yards.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
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With my roster lacking RB depth and the byes next week I am putting everything into Best being able to play. Help me out Jahvid.
Why is Best such a polarizing player? His owners freak out if you say he's anything less than a top 5 back. Those that down own him think he's the most overrated player in fantasy football. I have him in 3 of 4 leagues, but unfortunately I don't have him in my biggest $$$ league.
It will be interesting to see how he responds to this toe injury. All RBs get nicked up during the year, but the best ones play well in spite of injuries.
It will be interesting to see how he responds to this toe injury. All RBs get nicked up during the year, but the best ones play well in spite of injuries.
He had a nice 16 yard run. Aside from that he was bland while he played.
Rookie running back Jahvid Best, who had a breakout last week with 232 total yards from scrimmage, aggravated a turf toe injury on his right big toe just before halftime. Best came out and ran the ball once in the third quarter, for 1 yard, and then went to the sideline.
"Right now, any kind of pressure I put on it, I'm feeling it,'' said Best, who finished with 26 yards on seven rushing attempts and 13 yards on two pass receptions. "Defensively, we started getting a feel for them and figuring out things we could do against them.''
Maurice Morris, who replaced Best, had 5 yards on six attempts.
"You guys have seen the plays he can make,'' Lions coach Jim Schwartz said of Best. "Early in this game, I think we saw those kinds of things. Obviously, there was a dropoff, we weren't able to consistently run the ball.''
Best said he hopes to be back next week when the Lions visit Green Bay to play the Packers.
"I won't really know until (Monday),'' he said.
"Right now, any kind of pressure I put on it, I'm feeling it,'' said Best, who finished with 26 yards on seven rushing attempts and 13 yards on two pass receptions. "Defensively, we started getting a feel for them and figuring out things we could do against them.''
Maurice Morris, who replaced Best, had 5 yards on six attempts.
"You guys have seen the plays he can make,'' Lions coach Jim Schwartz said of Best. "Early in this game, I think we saw those kinds of things. Obviously, there was a dropoff, we weren't able to consistently run the ball.''
Best said he hopes to be back next week when the Lions visit Green Bay to play the Packers.
"I won't really know until (Monday),'' he said.
Wyld Stallyns
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Soo, uhh, any news on the injury?
Da Guru
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As a Lion fan JB is being asked to do too much right now. JB is not a Bell Cow RB. That being said JB can be good for 100+ total yards a week and TDs whenever. For JB to come out of the game at half and not be able to put pressure on the toe is not good. This could linger.
Stafford out, JB out. Lions can`t ever seem to get a break.
Stafford out, JB out. Lions can`t ever seem to get a break.
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Touchdown There
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Turf toe lingers. Lions are 0-3. Lions will quit like previous 2 years. Lions o-line stinks. Sell Best.
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There was no point in the game at which he was averaging 7 yards a touch. And it was considerably less than that when he came out of the game with the toe injury.Happy Ragnarok
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Too late. Last week was the time to sell Best, when the writing was on the wall, but you'd just been given a short term value bump from God.
Yes, hurry up and get whatever you can for the league leader in TD's because he only averaged 4 YPC against the Vikings.
FFdork
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I thought Best looked pretty good while he was in there, especially since he was playing against a pretty good run D. He wasn't getting a lot of help from his o-line--his best run of the day involved having to juke a LB before he could even get out of the backfield.
I understand that this is speculation, but if you look at his stat line + Morris's stat line once he replaced him, it's not unreasonable to think that he Best has 80-100 total yards if he doesn't hurt the toe. That would have been very respectable in that match-up. Speculation aside, Best is a 3-down back who has a chance to house it every time he touches the ball. His ability as a pass catcher means he will still get numbers if they fall behind. I think his prospects improve even more if/when Stafford returns to keep opposing D's more honest.
I'm more concerned about the turf toe, since that can really linger. If he avoids any major injuries I think Best will finish somewhere around RB7 - RB14, which would be great for where I drafted him...just not the outlandish numbers overenthusiastic people were predicting after last week.
I understand that this is speculation, but if you look at his stat line + Morris's stat line once he replaced him, it's not unreasonable to think that he Best has 80-100 total yards if he doesn't hurt the toe. That would have been very respectable in that match-up. Speculation aside, Best is a 3-down back who has a chance to house it every time he touches the ball. His ability as a pass catcher means he will still get numbers if they fall behind. I think his prospects improve even more if/when Stafford returns to keep opposing D's more honest.
I'm more concerned about the turf toe, since that can really linger. If he avoids any major injuries I think Best will finish somewhere around RB7 - RB14, which would be great for where I drafted him...just not the outlandish numbers overenthusiastic people were predicting after last week.
He's no Chris Johnson; he is however a very talented player.
He's not going to be a bell-cow back; but a perfect portion of a RBBC.
He's going to tease owners with flashes of being elite; only to fall back to the mean.
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That's what I see from Best as of right now. Remember though these same things could have been said for Chris Johnson in his Rookie Season. Let me see if Detroit Improves; if the kid puts on more muscle his Sophomore season, if injuries remain a concern for him; and if he proves he can be an in-between the tackle runner.
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I'm not denying he's a talented player; but for the over-inflated value most owners have for him. I don't want him.
He's not going to be a bell-cow back; but a perfect portion of a RBBC.
He's going to tease owners with flashes of being elite; only to fall back to the mean.
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That's what I see from Best as of right now. Remember though these same things could have been said for Chris Johnson in his Rookie Season. Let me see if Detroit Improves; if the kid puts on more muscle his Sophomore season, if injuries remain a concern for him; and if he proves he can be an in-between the tackle runner.
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I'm not denying he's a talented player; but for the over-inflated value most owners have for him. I don't want him.
This simply is not true. Week 1 he had 20 yards on 14 carries (1.4ypc), this week he already had 26 yards on just 7 carries (3.7ypc), and this was just in the 2nd quarter. Week 1 he had 5 catches for just 16 yards, this week he already had 13 yards on his 2 catches. It's pretty reasonable to say he was on pace for a far better game as far as yardage, and had he maintained that pace... you get roughly 15/55 and 4 or 5 catches for 25/30 yards. That's a solid, not spectacular, game in a ppr, especially considering he's most people's RB2/Flex. This isn't even including the possiblity that he could have scored, they had the ball down close twice, both times ending in INT's.
Best isn't as good as the hype, the Lions are a bad team with a below average offensive line, and Best is going to be a volatile player to own. All true, but to say he was on pace for an ugly game similar to week 1 minus TD's, just isn't true.
Lastly, I'm a Lions homer, I watched the game. He looked pretty decent, really shifty, but he was met in the backfield a couple times on his limited carries. He really needs a power back to be the heavy half of a RBBC to reach full potential I think. He just doesn't look strong enough to carry the ball 20+ times, in all situations, like you need from a bellcow.
Chili Cheese Burrito
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0-3 is definitely suck. I compare him to Gore a decent good back, injury prone, and on a suck team.Dr. Awesome said:
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At what point was he averaging 7 yards per touch? Just curious, didn't get to see the game, but looking at the play-by-play I can't find any point where he did that unless you are isolating a short series.
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Its funny you watch you fanboys hype this guy to Barry Sanders status and then have to eat crow. And you were one of them. I have him on a team and know what he is. A solid RB2.
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Out of 7 freaking carries! You guys are insane. Honestly, how the heck are you gonna come down on someone for getting injured? Right, next you're going to tell us how a toe injury is somehow related to his concussion last year or slight build. This is a joke...
So not being durable justifies the hype? I don't want any of this barring injury crap when it comes time to eat crow, fanboy.
So not being durable justifies the hype? I don't want any of this barring injury crap when it comes time to eat crow, fanboy.
damn39 yards is 39 yards.
MarcO
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I haven't seen anything official about turf toe... is this just speculation?
I understand being frustrated with some of the unreasonable hype around Best over the last week, but you have a lot of replies in this thread, and all you seem to be doing is picking a small part of a big story and hammering on it.This thread was started asking what happened to him today. The full, and honest, answer is that he was injured in the second quarter, and to that point he was on pace for an average fantasy game in a ppr (12-14pts). I already clearly laid this out in post #72. Did his numbers for the day look bad? Yep. But it wasn't simply him having a bad game, he didn't play much due to injury.damn39 yards is 39 yards.
FFdork
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Really? What was good or insightful about this post? 39 yards is hardly the entire story whether you're bullish or bearish about Best. Man these boards are frustrating sometimes. In every thread you have to wade through a bunch of useless speculation based purely on whether the poster owns a player or not, pissing matches, trolls, and board Nazis to find the occasional nugget. I know FBGs doesn't want to divide up the pool, but I wish there was some kind of special area for reasonable people and the staff to have more fruitful discussions.damn39 yards is 39 yards.
lions coach is very tightlipped on injuries. most likely you will need to rely on speculation to accurately analyze this injury. the most concrete statement we have is that the rookie said he cant put pressure on it. that is bad news to me. you can be sure the schwartz and the lions will tell him to zip it going forward and the news will be sparse.i am a best owner and am pretty down on him at this point. never really bought into the hype of earlier either. i tried hard to move him last week and had a deal in principle for gore but it was backed out. i declined a best for roddy white nonppr deal as well. i would imagine his trade value plummets this week and the best move is to hold. cant hurt to shop him ofc.
I don't care why he posted poor numbers, I posted reasons why Best would not finish as a top 10 fantasy back last week (injury prone being one of those reasons) and was riduculed. I am going to start lettiing each one of those that bashed me know how wrong they were and why not start with the first week he failed. I have never been so sickened by all the fan boys polluting the boards while annointing Best as the next Barry Sanders. This is the first week of many they will eat crow. So he hurt his big toe!I understand being frustrated with some of the unreasonable hype around Best over the last week, but you have a lot of replies in this thread, and all you seem to be doing is picking a small part of a big story and hammering on it.This thread was started asking what happened to him today. The full, and honest, answer is that he was injured in the second quarter, and to that point he was on pace for an average fantasy game in a ppr (12-14pts). I already clearly laid this out in post #72. Did his numbers for the day look bad? Yep. But it wasn't simply him having a bad game, he didn't play much due to injury.damn39 yards is 39 yards.
I wouldn't trade Best for Ray Rice. I am a genius! What was good? We don't have to read 100 threads on how these geniuses that over paid for Best tell us how awesome they are.Really? What was good or insightful about this post? 39 yards is hardly the entire story whether you're bullish or bearish about Best.damn39 yards is 39 yards.
Since Best has gotten like a million yards through receptions, isn't it a bit weasly to only use yards per CARRY instead of yards per TOUCH?Dr. Awesome said:I certainly didn't mean it as a bad thing. It's just touchdowns are the biggest fluke to predict. So when he doesn't get the td's his ypc will likely keep his performance from being anything great.I'd still be happy with Best on my team.mashers said:
Hmm, "durability" you say? I wonder what the definition is? I believe it's something like: "able to exist for a long time without deterioration." Now, how are you going to judge something like this after 3 games?monkeysee said:Durability plays into how valuable a player. So roll your eyes all you want. He just isn't good enough to warrant all of the attention and fan boy reaction after 1 nice game.by_the_sea_wannabe said:Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
If you want to bring up his college career, then let's see some facts please. Your post seems more like, "let's relay what i've heard from others" instead of actually attempting to spread information.It's rather obvious that his owners are very protective and overrate him, but what's new? Every owner of every player "protect" their player and overrate them. It's just what owners do.As for the guys wishing, hoping, praying that Best fails, it is very simple, envy. They are jealous that they didn't pick him and are hoping for a huge fail. It's not really that they hate Best in particular, but rather they hate players that they passed on that are now looked at as "gems." Best is one, Mcfadden is probably another, Vick is definitely one, etc etc. They probably picked up Jonathan Stewart and passed on Best, or took Spiller and past on Best, someone else got him and now they hope he fails.Pretty standard human behavior if you ask me.
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I'm not a Best owner, and in fact I was down on him this season, but he really did look like the real deal. It seemed as if he was always close to breaking a good run, but the MN D really came to play and they did have the advantage of the home field. I can think of a quick screen where Kevin Williams had an amazing deflection that saved the Vikings from allowing at the very least a huge gain from Best. Then on his long run he put a sick move on Ben Lieber who shot the gap and should've had Best for a nice loss. I guess what worries me is how conservative Linehan's playcalling has been and as a result defenses are creeping up on the line and making more plays in the backfield. That same gameplan will see the ball fed to the RB a lot, so they really do need another guy to provide a change of pace. I still feel like it was only a matter of time before Best would have found a bit of consistency and gashed us for a few big ones but he was injured while feeling out the D.Well lets see how informed I am smart guy...1. A history of concussions. The last concussion (going head-over-tails in the end zone against Oregon ST) he had he was out cold for what 6 minutes. Not to mention the back injury that came along with that. Getting those two concussions is potentially going to be a serious detriment to the rest of his career. No reason for concern there right?2. He has a muscle going down from his neck to his leg that really bothers him.3. Nerve damange in his neck.4. At Cal he also struggled to stay on the field with a dislocated elbow injury.5. He is a small back 5 ft 8 and 190 lbs doesn't bode well for his chances to have a healthy NFL career.I factor in this type of information when draftingIf a guy is emerging from the college game "all beat up," there's a chance he won't last too long when he's getting beat up by grown men.Hmm, "durability" you say? I wonder what the definition is? I believe it's something like: "able to exist for a long time without deterioration." Now, how are you going to judge something like this after 3 games?monkeysee said:Durability plays into how valuable a player. So roll your eyes all you want. He just isn't good enough to warrant all of the attention and fan boy reaction after 1 nice game.by_the_sea_wannabe said:Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Babu Bhatt2
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I tend to agree with this. Best should be used like the Chiefs are using Jamaal Charles -- 10-15 touches a game. That will help him avoid injuries.Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
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