what happened to the shark pool? (1 Viewer)

[Sarnoff]

IMO something that would improve the Shark Pool a lot would be to have the majority of the FBG staff posting in it a lot more. I miss the days when most of them were a lot more active here.

Agreed. This place needs more Marc Levin. Lots more

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

IMO something that would improve the Shark Pool a lot would be to have the majority of the FBG staff posting in it a lot more. I miss the days when most of them were a lot more active here.

Who are they? I know Doug Drinen is one but I've only come across maybe a half dozen posts from him in my three years here.

There was a time when staff members posted regularly in the pool. Doug Drinen, Chase Stuart, Jason Wood, Maurile Tremblay, Sigmund Bloom, et al. I don't really recall a time when Joe Bryant posted often in the Shark Pool, but it seems to me that David Dodds used to post more often as well. The staff are all ostensibly fantasy football experts. I realize 'expert' is a loaded term, but it only helps the quality of the threads in the pool if more of them are posting more often.

I think the only time I've seen bryant posting is when he starts these threads pandering for replies, like, should marijuana be legalized, should abortion be legalized --- what do you think?J

 

[Stinger Ray]

IMO something that would improve the Shark Pool a lot would be to have the majority of the FBG staff posting in it a lot more. I miss the days when most of them were a lot more active here.

Agreed. This place needs more Marc Levin. Lots more

Don't forget Chase.

 

[phrozen]

The downside would be having to jump back and forth constantly between two forums to be able to read the football related topics that are now found all in one place.

And they would probably have to add a full time moderator to the staff just to move the football related threads that should not be on "fantasy talk only" board and vice versa.

I don't see why everyone else should be inconvenienced because a handful of people can't take a few seconds to skip a few thread topics.

It's not just a few thread topics. It seems like at least half of the topics are worthless drivel. And this contributes to the overall atmosphere here. It's hard to get quality dialogues going when the forum is smattered with this crap. You think information driven people are going to want to wade through these trivial topics? You think they want to converse with the people who are interested in these topics? It's like saying all printed news should go in one place and it wouldn't detract from the experience. Can you imagine the wall street journal being combined with a tabloid? Just tell people to skip over what they don't like. So while it may inconvenience people like you who are interested in both forums, it would still improve your experience as the fantasy football forum would actually be a much better resource than the SP is now. And the gibberish forum would have less people looking down on the asinine topics and conversations that go on in it.

I get that you believe that half these topics are worthless drivel... to you. But they aren't worthless to everyone. If they were worthless to everyone, they'd fall off of the first and second page so fast, that they wouldn't be a problem to begin with. I don't think you understand that sorting out what you constitute as fantasy related and non-fantasy related isn't as black and white as it seems. Every bit of football news, be it speculative or informative, can be fantasy related. Therefore, it all belongs in the Shark Pool. And comparing that to all news is just a horrible analogy. I don't step into the pool very much anymore, but I thought I'd put in my

I stand behind the analogy because there is definitely fantasy related news and there is tabloid style news. This is not a great example (since it's a fairly serious topic), but the Junior Seau news is fantasy irrelevant. It's a topic that is worth discussing, I suppose, but it doesn't belong side by side with fantasy topics. Other examples are definitely not black and white, but at least weeding out the totally trivial stuff would help. And merging threads would help. I should also point out that it's not just news I'm talking about. Most of the topics I refer to as drivel are not even news related (they'd be opinion pieces in a tabloid, I guess). There are threads like "worst coaching decision in the playoffs" and "is Tebow getting a fair shot?" threads that just would not belong in a fantasy football forum. They are obviously fair game right now which is why I think separate Football FFA and SP forums would be beneficial.Also, of course some of these topics that are worthless to me have value to others, but their value is purely social. People feel the need to chat about rather trivial subjects to achieve connection with others. That's fine, but just keep it separate for those of us who don't need that.

You think information driven people are going to want to wade through these trivial topics? You think they want to converse with the people who are interested in these topics?

If all the "information driven people" are somewhere else, find out where that place is and become a member there. It's probably bubbling over with exactly the kinds of things you want to talk about and none of the things you don't want to talk about.

I don't think they're posting somewhere else. I'm sure they're out there, but turned off by congested, watered down forums. That's why I think reform is in order. If you build it, they will come...

This FFA idea is genius. Surprised Joe and Dodds haven't jumped on this free for all idea.

 

[drummer]

I thought beer snobs were bad. FF snobs are worse.

 

[FF Ninja]

I get carried away in arguments trying to make my case/defend my stance. That is different than what I was referring to. Some people like to pop into threads and authoritatively state opinions on situations without actually knowing very much (they don't know historical patterns, coaching tendencies, o-line changes, college performance, etc). They throw out buzz words like burst and vision but don't have a clue. They claim AJ has lost a step when he's really just not getting as many targets. They call Quizz a poor man's Sproles just because he's short. Stuff like that.

So fitting... laughing hyenas. Enjoy your petty emoticons and trivial discussions.
Not sure why I was making a case here for a forum designed to maximize efficiency so that they would attract successful people with less time for hobbies. The hyenas like what they've got going now and will band together to attack anyone suggesting change.

 

[FF Ninja]

Great example of the shark pool's unquestionable greatness on the front page:

hyenas jumping on a guy with a disability

Great stuff. We start out with a totally pointless new thread (could've gone in the Gore spotlight) with a totally pointless topic. Then jealous, angry, or bitter peons jump on Gore's case just for kicks. I was never trying to rob you guys of this healthy entertainment. This kind of thread would've been moved to the Football FFA forum for the enjoyment of all who have time for it.

 

[flapgreen]

The downside would be having to jump back and forth constantly between two forums to be able to read the football related topics that are now found all in one place.

And they would probably have to add a full time moderator to the staff just to move the football related threads that should not be on "fantasy talk only" board and vice versa.

I don't see why everyone else should be inconvenienced because a handful of people can't take a few seconds to skip a few thread topics.

It's not just a few thread topics. It seems like at least half of the topics are worthless drivel. And this contributes to the overall atmosphere here. It's hard to get quality dialogues going when the forum is smattered with this crap. You think information driven people are going to want to wade through these trivial topics? You think they want to converse with the people who are interested in these topics? It's like saying all printed news should go in one place and it wouldn't detract from the experience. Can you imagine the wall street journal being combined with a tabloid? Just tell people to skip over what they don't like. So while it may inconvenience people like you who are interested in both forums, it would still improve your experience as the fantasy football forum would actually be a much better resource than the SP is now. And the gibberish forum would have less people looking down on the asinine topics and conversations that go on in it.

I get that you believe that half these topics are worthless drivel... to you. But they aren't worthless to everyone. If they were worthless to everyone, they'd fall off of the first and second page so fast, that they wouldn't be a problem to begin with. I don't think you understand that sorting out what you constitute as fantasy related and non-fantasy related isn't as black and white as it seems. Every bit of football news, be it speculative or informative, can be fantasy related. Therefore, it all belongs in the Shark Pool. And comparing that to all news is just a horrible analogy. I don't step into the pool very much anymore, but I thought I'd put in my

I stand behind the analogy because there is definitely fantasy related news and there is tabloid style news. This is not a great example (since it's a fairly serious topic), but the Junior Seau news is fantasy irrelevant. It's a topic that is worth discussing, I suppose, but it doesn't belong side by side with fantasy topics. Other examples are definitely not black and white, but at least weeding out the totally trivial stuff would help. And merging threads would help. I should also point out that it's not just news I'm talking about. Most of the topics I refer to as drivel are not even news related (they'd be opinion pieces in a tabloid, I guess). There are threads like "worst coaching decision in the playoffs" and "is Tebow getting a fair shot?" threads that just would not belong in a fantasy football forum. They are obviously fair game right now which is why I think separate Football FFA and SP forums would be beneficial.Also, of course some of these topics that are worthless to me have value to others, but their value is purely social. People feel the need to chat about rather trivial subjects to achieve connection with others. That's fine, but just keep it separate for those of us who don't need that.

You think information driven people are going to want to wade through these trivial topics? You think they want to converse with the people who are interested in these topics?

If all the "information driven people" are somewhere else, find out where that place is and become a member there. It's probably bubbling over with exactly the kinds of things you want to talk about and none of the things you don't want to talk about.

I don't think they're posting somewhere else. I'm sure they're out there, but turned off by congested, watered down forums. That's why I think reform is in order. If you build it, they will come...

This FFA idea is genius. Surprised Joe and Dodds haven't jumped on this free for all idea.

Genius!!!

 

[coolnerd]

As i have re-read through this thread, it has become apparent too many people want the shark pool to be about exactly what they want period. They don't want to read thread titles that they are not interested in or skip over the simple black dots or have to think about if this general football story is also a fantasy football story. sorry, it is not all about what you or i want alone. The shark pool is general football store, not a speciality store designed just for you. Think of the shark Pool as going to your favorite grocery store. While it may have all things that you want/need, there are other people who want/need other things there. And guess what these other people have annoying kids, are too slow, are talking on the cell phone, block the entire isle with the cart, stand in front of the deli counter with no idea what they want, will have a whole bucket full of coupons, etc. In short whenever you are in a fourm dealing with other people, there are always going to be annoyances and people with other wants/needs.

I get carried away in arguments trying to make my case/defend my stance. That is different than what I was referring to. Some people like to pop into threads and authoritatively state opinions on situations without actually knowing very much (they don't know historical patterns, coaching tendencies, o-line changes, college performance, etc). They throw out buzz words like burst and vision but don't have a clue. They claim AJ has lost a step when he's really just not getting as many targets. They call Quizz a poor man's Sproles just because he's short. Stuff like that.

So fitting... laughing hyenas. Enjoy your petty emoticons and trivial discussions.

I have neve had any significant interaction with you on the board, so I don't know you even in the message board sense. In this thread at least you have repeated this condesending notion that "successful" people are too busy to scan the 1st couple of pages and pick the threads like by implication the "non-successful" who have the time to waste. What a bucket of spit. As i stated earlier, this not about improving the Shark Pool for the masses, but your not wanting to ignore thread titles that are of no interest and just read/follow/comment on those that are.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I get carried away in arguments trying to make my case/defend my stance. That is different than what I was referring to. Some people like to pop into threads and authoritatively state opinions on situations without actually knowing very much (they don't know historical patterns, coaching tendencies, o-line changes, college performance, etc). They throw out buzz words like burst and vision but don't have a clue. They claim AJ has lost a step when he's really just not getting as many targets. They call Quizz a poor man's Sproles just because he's short. Stuff like that.

So fitting... laughing hyenas. Enjoy your petty emoticons and trivial discussions.

If those were 3 posts agreeing with you, you'd be tossing white all over it. But since they aren't, I guess you have no choice but to unleash that 8 year old child in you. The one that doesn't know how to laugh at oneself when he does/says something stupid, and instead, lashes out at others as a defense mechanism.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Glad this was settled.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Glad this was settled.

RN?

 

[Biabreakable]

You got a lotta nerve
To say you are my friend
When I was down
You just stood there grinning

You got a lotta nerve
To say you gota helping hand to lend
You just want to be on
The side that's winning

You say I let you down
You know it's not like that
If you're so hurt
Why then don't you show it

You say you lost your faith
But that's not where it's at
You had no faith to lose
And you know it

I know the reason
That you talk behind my back
I used to be among the crowd
You're in with

Do you take me for such a fool
To think I'd make contact
With the one who tries to hide
What he don't know to begin with

You see me on the street
You always act surprised
You say, "How are you?" "Good luck"
But you don't mean it

When you know as well as me
You'd rather see me paralyzed
Why don't you just come out once
And scream it

No, I do not feel that good
When I see the heartbreaks you embrace
If I was a master thief
Perhaps I'd rob them

And now I know you're dissatisfied
With your position and your place
Don't you understand
It's not my problem

I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you

 

[Breesisdaman]

Maybe a new board should be created that mimics what the old board was. Probably no going back for the SP at this point

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I like it -- the hawk pool!

 

[cstu]

Off the top of my head:

- the derailing of threads due to dumb posts

- lack of interest in actual analysis and instead pumping the players on your team

- over-reaction threads

- threads with pure speculation so that they can be bumped when one of them actually happens

- too many know it alls

 

[rockaction]

You got a lotta nerve

To say you are my friend

When I was down

You just stood there grinning

You got a lotta nerve

To say you gota helping hand to lend

You just want to be on

The side that's winning

You say I let you down

You know it's not like that

If you're so hurt

Why then don't you show it

You say you lost your faith

But that's not where it's at

You had no faith to lose

And you know it

I know the reason

That you talk behind my back

I used to be among the crowd

You're in with

Do you take me for such a fool

To think I'd make contact

With the one who tries to hide

What he don't know to begin with

You see me on the street

You always act surprised

You say, "How are you?" "Good luck"

But you don't mean it

When you know as well as me

You'd rather see me paralyzed

Why don't you just come out once

And scream it

No, I do not feel that good

When I see the heartbreaks you embrace

If I was a master thief

Perhaps I'd rob them

And now I know you're dissatisfied

With your position and your place

Don't you understand

It's not my problem

I wish that for just one time

You could stand inside my shoes

And just for that one moment

I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time

You could stand inside my shoes

You'd know what a drag it is

To see you

I'm not sure he meant that verse, other than to clear his own conscience. Nothing to do with the SP, just always thought that was kind of a confessional/BS lyric.

 

[Buffaloes]

this place still seems pretty much like it was when I started reading it. I think there might have been a Remember the good ol' days thread then too.

 

[Biabreakable]

You got a lotta nerve

To say you are my friend

When I was down

You just stood there grinning

You got a lotta nerve

To say you gota helping hand to lend

You just want to be on

The side that's winning

You say I let you down

You know it's not like that

If you're so hurt

Why then don't you show it

You say you lost your faith

But that's not where it's at

You had no faith to lose

And you know it

I know the reason

That you talk behind my back

I used to be among the crowd

You're in with

Do you take me for such a fool

To think I'd make contact

With the one who tries to hide

What he don't know to begin with

You see me on the street

You always act surprised

You say, "How are you?" "Good luck"

But you don't mean it

When you know as well as me

You'd rather see me paralyzed

Why don't you just come out once

And scream it

No, I do not feel that good

When I see the heartbreaks you embrace

If I was a master thief

Perhaps I'd rob them

And now I know you're dissatisfied

With your position and your place

Don't you understand

It's not my problem

I wish that for just one time

You could stand inside my shoes

And just for that one moment

I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time

You could stand inside my shoes

You'd know what a drag it is

To see you

I'm not sure he meant that verse, other than to clear his own conscience. Nothing to do with the SP, just always thought that was kind of a confessional/BS lyric.

What is BS about it?

One of my pet peeves is people calling something BS without explaining why they think so.

I think it fits the FF environment because I see some folks who walk into traps that will lead to angst for them later on. If I play it right I might be able to steal those players from them at reduced cost after the pain of their disappointment sets in.

eta - an example- http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=689437

 

[Statorama]

I think the most worthless ones get bumped frequently by ridicule.

 

[Statorama]

IMO something that would improve the Shark Pool a lot would be to have the majority of the FBG staff posting in it a lot more. I miss the days when most of them were a lot more active here.

Who are they? I know Doug Drinen is one but I've only come across maybe a half dozen posts from him in my three years here.

There was a time when staff members posted regularly in the pool. Doug Drinen, Chase Stuart, Jason Wood, Maurile Tremblay, Sigmund Bloom, et al. I don't really recall a time when Joe Bryant posted often in the Shark Pool, but it seems to me that David Dodds used to post more often as well. The staff are all ostensibly fantasy football experts. I realize 'expert' is a loaded term, but it only helps the quality of the threads in the pool if more of them are posting more often.

I would help Maurile move, even if he lived in a three story brownstone with no elevator.

But that's nothing compared to Memphis Foundry. I'd help that guy bury a body, no questions asked.

 

[Biabreakable]

So one of the better threads of the off season (thank you Bri) shut down because of nonsense. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684610

Sorry fred.

 

[Amused to Death]

So one of the better threads of the off season (thank you Bri) shut down because of nonsense. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684610

Sorry fred.

Welcome to the new unmoderated Shark Pool.

 

[Touchdown There]

Stop harassing me.

cyberbullying is rampant

Do you have a fulfilling life Larry, trolling the Shark Pool, hating on Eddie Lacy and Tebow and the Patriots?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I hate on the pats?

 

[Touchdown There]

I hate on the pats?

You hate everyone and everything in this life, because you are sad negative person. Can you post links to the players you have heavily supported over the years?

 

[Dismattle]

I hate on the pats?

Aint a thing wrong with hating on the Pats!

I enjoy feedback at different levels myself. (heck a wrong answer may help me thing k better)

I most enjoy FBG posts in the IDP Forums, so Id hope you're able to show a thicker skin with any signs of "constructive criticism"..

I personally don't always enjoy seeing old posts re-hashed. Life is too short, and I may not wanna see a price-change on the player(s) involved too..

p.s. Nobodys perfect! If KA can post a lot of negative stuff on a player Guess what? He probably spent a considerable amt of time evaluating the player.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Where Did You Come Up With This Deep Sea Treasure?

 

[georg013]

It is all starting to make sense now... Thank you Touchdown There.