What if...CJ DOESN'T have a big game vs. the Broncos (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

The Broncos have been ripped by runners for the past two years on a regular basis.

What if Chris Johnson ends up with 50 yards and a TD or something like 18 carries for 86 yards and no TD?

Would that be the official red light to be concerned or can owners still keep the faith?

 

[One]

The Broncos have been ripped by runners for the past two years on a regular basis.What if Chris Johnson ends up with 50 yards and a TD or something like 18 carries for 86 yards and no TD?Would that be the official red light to be concerned or can owners still keep the faith?

against Denver last year:19 carries for 53yds2 catches for 11 ydsZero TDs

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Then the owner who I offered Hillis and Wells for CJ and Hernandez for is gonna feel like a fool...

 

[David Yudkin]

Back in 1997, I was fortunate enough to have gotten Barry Sanders in a trade from a disgruntled owner after he Barry started the season with games of 15 carries for 33 yards and 10 carries for 20 yards.

Sanders went on to have 14 consecutive games of 100+ yards and ended up with over 2,000 rushing yards. It only cost me a flavor of the month WR and a no name TE that had started off hot.

I'm going to guess that the Titans didn't just give CJ a mega contract to start finding other guys to carry the ball, so I think if healthy his job is safe. He sould "get his" and in bunches once he gets untracked.

 

[Banger]

it would suck as I own him in 2 leagues....he's not hurt, he didn't lose his talent, he's not losing his job so if he has a clunker this week you trot him out next week unless you have 2 other top 10 rbs.

 

[OnTheReg]

I am expecting a big game from CJ. If he doesn't have one against them, I don't know what I could do, his value would only get worse.

 

[Joe Summer]

Chris Johnson misses Wednesday practice due to sore ribs

 

[King of the Wolfies]

this is why i think both team and player would benefit from an incentive laden contract. one of the espn shows brought up the thought of whether cj has gotten his money and now isnt trying as hard. i think its too early to say, but he sure hasnt earned his paychecks yet this season.

 

[Joe Summer]

Back in 1997, I was fortunate enough to have gotten Barry Sanders in a trade from a disgruntled owner after he Barry started the season with games of 15 carries for 33 yards and 10 carries for 20 yards.Sanders went on to have 14 consecutive games of 100+ yards and ended up with over 2,000 rushing yards. It only cost me a flavor of the month WR and a no name TE that had started off hot.

Come on....Sanders was a 5-time All Pro who had put up consistent numbers for 8 straight seasons.Johnson has only been in the league 3 years and he's already shown major signs of decline from his peak 2 seasons ago.

 

[NoCheese]

Back in 1997, I was fortunate enough to have gotten Barry Sanders in a trade from a disgruntled owner after he Barry started the season with games of 15 carries for 33 yards and 10 carries for 20 yards.Sanders went on to have 14 consecutive games of 100+ yards and ended up with over 2,000 rushing yards. It only cost me a flavor of the month WR and a no name TE that had started off hot.

Come on....Sanders was a 5-time All Pro who had put up consistent numbers for 8 straight seasons.Johnson has only been in the league 3 years and he's already shown major signs of decline from his peak 2 seasons ago.

1364 rushing last year and 12 TD's with crap at QB is a MAJOR decline? I guess because he doesn't rush for 2000 yards every year he's past his prime.

 

[David Yudkin]

Back in 1997, I was fortunate enough to have gotten Barry Sanders in a trade from a disgruntled owner after he Barry started the season with games of 15 carries for 33 yards and 10 carries for 20 yards.Sanders went on to have 14 consecutive games of 100+ yards and ended up with over 2,000 rushing yards. It only cost me a flavor of the month WR and a no name TE that had started off hot.

Come on....Sanders was a 5-time All Pro who had put up consistent numbers for 8 straight seasons.Johnson has only been in the league 3 years and he's already shown major signs of decline from his peak 2 seasons ago.

So a 29 year old with nearly 2500 career carries (Sanders) should have been considered in his prime but a 26 year old with 925 carries (Johnson) should be considered washed up?

 

[Hoss Style]

Back in 1997, I was fortunate enough to have gotten Barry Sanders in a trade from a disgruntled owner after he Barry started the season with games of 15 carries for 33 yards and 10 carries for 20 yards.Sanders went on to have 14 consecutive games of 100+ yards and ended up with over 2,000 rushing yards. It only cost me a flavor of the month WR and a no name TE that had started off hot.

Come on....Sanders was a 5-time All Pro who had put up consistent numbers for 8 straight seasons.Johnson has only been in the league 3 years and he's already shown major signs of decline from his peak 2 seasons ago.

1364 rushing last year and 12 TD's with crap at QB is a MAJOR decline? I guess because he doesn't rush for 2000 yards every year he's past his prime.

Yeah, that made no sense to me either. You typed exactly what I was going to type.

 

[need2know]

The Broncos have been ripped by runners for the past two years on a regular basis.What if Chris Johnson ends up with 50 yards and a TD or something like 18 carries for 86 yards and no TD?Would that be the official red light to be concerned or can owners still keep the faith?

sounds like you might have a bust on your hands

 

[gethugefast1]

The Broncos have been ripped by runners for the past two years on a regular basis.What if Chris Johnson ends up with 50 yards and a TD or something like 18 carries for 86 yards and no TD?Would that be the official red light to be concerned or can owners still keep the faith?

sounds like you might have a bust on your hands

Chris Johnson - RB Source: Nashville Tennessean Sep 22 - 11:03 AMTitans Chris Johnson met with head coach Mike Munchak and running backs coach Jim Skipper this week.The Titans' coaches just wanted to check in on Johnson and make sure he was feeling good mentally. "I let them know I was good," Johnson said. "They just wanted to make sure I wasn't getting down on myself."

 

[habsfan]

I'm getting a decent trickle of insulting offers for him. When the phone stops ringing, I'll panic.

 

[jantoniosus]

How low can a person expect to buy Johnson this week and if he has another bad week is he even going to be worth buying low... Make or break week for Johnson owners this week!!

 

[Shutout]

I don't own Cj in any leagues so I don't have a dog in the fight for my teams; just a thought on how people would think of it because at that point, if it did happen, then you have nearly a month's worth of work and its really kind of inexplicable because you would think they are in good shape with a good line, a good defense, and a good QB to keep things honest.

Someone mentioned in another thread yesterday to have a look at CJs production with Vince Young vs. without. I have said for a long time that he seems to be too feast or famine in production each week to warrant relying on him as my #1. I would much rather have ADP or Rice or Mendy or those types just because, while the total numbers are usually nice, it hurts bad when he puts up a half dozen 6/68 and 0 TDs type performances.

I have no idea if those games coincide with when Young is not in the lineup (have not checked). But it does bring up an interesting angle to explore. We know its common for RBs to never achieve the same level of production once they hit the 2000 mark in a season. Maybe this is another legit piece to consider.

Cj is great and all but if he shows pedestrian against a team that everyone else on the planet has seemingly ran over, you have to raise an eyebrow, right? I mean, its pretty logical that he can exploit the same deficiences Denver has that McFadden did just two weeks ago I would think.

 

[Joe Summer]

Back in 1997, I was fortunate enough to have gotten Barry Sanders in a trade from a disgruntled owner after he Barry started the season with games of 15 carries for 33 yards and 10 carries for 20 yards.Sanders went on to have 14 consecutive games of 100+ yards and ended up with over 2,000 rushing yards. It only cost me a flavor of the month WR and a no name TE that had started off hot.

Come on....Sanders was a 5-time All Pro who had put up consistent numbers for 8 straight seasons.Johnson has only been in the league 3 years and he's already shown major signs of decline from his peak 2 seasons ago.

So a 29 year old with nearly 2500 career carries (Sanders) should have been considered in his prime but a 26 year old with 925 carries (Johnson) should be considered washed up?

Excuse me, where did I say (or imply) "in his prime" or "washed up"?You're the one who compared Chris Johnson to Barry Sanders. I'm just saying that Chris Johnson is not Barry Sanders.

 

[NoCheese]

Back in 1997, I was fortunate enough to have gotten Barry Sanders in a trade from a disgruntled owner after he Barry started the season with games of 15 carries for 33 yards and 10 carries for 20 yards.Sanders went on to have 14 consecutive games of 100+ yards and ended up with over 2,000 rushing yards. It only cost me a flavor of the month WR and a no name TE that had started off hot.

Come on....Sanders was a 5-time All Pro who had put up consistent numbers for 8 straight seasons.Johnson has only been in the league 3 years and he's already shown major signs of decline from his peak 2 seasons ago.

So a 29 year old with nearly 2500 career carries (Sanders) should have been considered in his prime but a 26 year old with 925 carries (Johnson) should be considered washed up?

Excuse me, where did I say (or imply) "in his prime" or "washed up"?You're the one who compared Chris Johnson to Barry Sanders. I'm just saying that Chris Johnson is not Barry Sanders.

I think your phrase "major signs of decline" is the same as saying "past his prime" or "washed up". After all, players in their prime are not showing major signs of decline, right? So I think you're making a distinction without a real difference. You are right, of course, that Johnson is no Barry Sanders.

 

[David Yudkin]

I have no idea if those games coincide with when Young is not in the lineup (have not checked). But it does bring up an interesting angle to explore. We know its common for RBs to never achieve the same level of production once they hit the 2000 mark in a season. Maybe this is another legit piece to consider.

It's hard to really decipher when Young was the go to QB or not, but here's what I looked up (if my math is right)In 16 games with Young as the "main" QB in the game:385 carries, 2050 rushing yards, 5.32 ypc, 18 rushing TD, 47 receptions, 365 receiving yards, 0 receiving TDIn 33 games without Young as the main QB:573 carries, 2625 rushing yards, 4.58 ypc, 16 rushing TD, 99 receptions, 680 receiving yards, 4 receiving TDLooks to be quite a difference. The question is if one led to the other or if it's mostly a coincidence.

 

[Goldfinger007]

I don't own Cj in any leagues so I don't have a dog in the fight for my teams; just a thought on how people would think of it because at that point, if it did happen, then you have nearly a month's worth of work and its really kind of inexplicable because you would think they are in good shape with a good line, a good defense, and a good QB to keep things honest.Someone mentioned in another thread yesterday to have a look at CJs production with Vince Young vs. without. I have said for a long time that he seems to be too feast or famine in production each week to warrant relying on him as my #1. I would much rather have ADP or Rice or Mendy or those types just because, while the total numbers are usually nice, it hurts bad when he puts up a half dozen 6/68 and 0 TDs type performances.I have no idea if those games coincide with when Young is not in the lineup (have not checked). But it does bring up an interesting angle to explore. We know its common for RBs to never achieve the same level of production once they hit the 2000 mark in a season. Maybe this is another legit piece to consider. Cj is great and all but if he shows pedestrian against a team that everyone else on the planet has seemingly ran over, you have to raise an eyebrow, right? I mean, its pretty logical that he can exploit the same deficiences Denver has that McFadden did just two weeks ago I would think.

Inexplicable? You're kidding right? This isn't Madden. You don't just plug a guy a week before the start of the season into a new system, with a new coordinator and new QB and expect him to put up video game #'s. It just doesn't work that way. While I hope he has a couple good games here in week 3 and 4, I don't expect him to be fully integrated and get a full workload until at least week 5 against Pittsburgh or maybe 7 (after their bye). I think the coaching staff is playing it smart by bringing him along slowly and it should have been expected by anyone that drafted him. Its a long 16 week season and the guy missed all of training camp. It sucks as a fantasy owner, but they're just asking for an injury if they did it otherwise. Sorry, but it was ridiculous for anyone to think he was going to get 20 carries a game for the first few weeks of the season. I was surprised he got that many against Baltimore.

 

[rainram]

I took CJ #2 overall. Thus far I'm taking into consideration the following:

- The complete lack of off-season work, learning the system, etc., etc.

- Week 1 against JAX...I don't know about many here, but I pegged them for being a sub-par defense this year. Well, it ain't lookin like it...at least no against the run. They stifled CJ...ok. But then last week they shut down the Jets run game with their great OLine to the tune of 16 for 49 for Greene (that's 3.06 ypr) and Tomlinson had 6 carries for 8 yards. Now maybe the perrenially productive Jets rushing attack is fading. Or maybe, JAX's defense is more legit. We'll know for sure by their BYE week because they face some serious running teams through then. But I'll chalk week 1 up to JAX doing a good job.

- Week 2 against BAL...not surprise he didn't blow up Baltimore. Their front 7 is about as good as it gets.

We all know CJ is the type whose rushes look like this... 2, -3, 1, 2, 0, 70 w/ TD, 2, 0, 1...etc. Teams have been employing a method of seriously containing him at the line of scrimmage. It's only a matter of when, not if, he gets past that.

I'd be very surprised if he didn't get over 100 and a TD this week, but even if he doesn't I'm not going to panic. His schedule get much nicer after the BYE, IND twice (inculding once in the playoffs), TB, CAR, BUF.

He's stuck on my team for the year.

 

[oswizzle]

Chris Johnson will expolde this week..... Paitence is a virtue...

 

[Shutout]

I have no idea if those games coincide with when Young is not in the lineup (have not checked). But it does bring up an interesting angle to explore. We know its common for RBs to never achieve the same level of production once they hit the 2000 mark in a season. Maybe this is another legit piece to consider.

It's hard to really decipher when Young was the go to QB or not, but here's what I looked up (if my math is right)In 16 games with Young as the "main" QB in the game:385 carries, 2050 rushing yards, 5.32 ypc, 18 rushing TD, 47 receptions, 365 receiving yards, 0 receiving TDIn 33 games without Young as the main QB:573 carries, 2625 rushing yards, 4.58 ypc, 16 rushing TD, 99 receptions, 680 receiving yards, 4 receiving TDLooks to be quite a difference. The question is if one led to the other or if it's mostly a coincidence.

Good info. Thanks for looking it up. That IS quite a contrast. To add to what the person who mentioned it yesterday (sorry not to give credit...can not think of who it was), but the premise is that a mobile QB like Young helped stretch the field and people must account for him and when that does not happen, it is easier to keep CJ contained (and off the edges I assume was the idea).

 

[Shutout]

Chris Johnson will expolde this week..... Paitence is a virtue...

And procrastination is a death knell in fantasy. Not saying which will happen, just continuing with the theme of the post in asking : can owners wait more than 25% of their season if this doesn't happen soon?

 

[Shutout]

I took CJ #2 overall. Thus far I'm taking into consideration the following:

- The complete lack of off-season work, learning the system, etc., etc.

- Week 1 against JAX...I don't know about many here, but I pegged them for being a sub-par defense this year. Well, it ain't lookin like it...at least no against the run. They stifled CJ...ok. But then last week they shut down the Jets run game with their great OLine to the tune of 16 for 49 for Greene (that's 3.06 ypr) and Tomlinson had 6 carries for 8 yards. Now maybe the perrenially productive Jets rushing attack is fading. Or maybe, JAX's defense is more legit. We'll know for sure by their BYE week because they face some serious running teams through then. But I'll chalk week 1 up to JAX doing a good job.

- Week 2 against BAL...not surprise he didn't blow up Baltimore. Their front 7 is about as good as it gets.

We all know CJ is the type whose rushes look like this... 2, -3, 1, 2, 0, 70 w/ TD, 2, 0, 1...etc. Teams have been employing a method of seriously containing him at the line of scrimmage. It's only a matter of when, not if, he gets past that.

I'd be very surprised if he didn't get over 100 and a TD this week, but even if he doesn't I'm not going to panic. His schedule get much nicer after the BYE, IND twice (inculding once in the playoffs), TB, CAR, BUF.

He's stuck on my team for the year.

And if "when" is when your fantasy team is 25% played out, is it still worth it (that is the question of the thread)? Can he win you your league if he can't produce enough to get you to the playoffs?

 

[Silver & Black]

People need to remember, the lockout messed everything up this year. No ota's, no offseason team workouts etc. Look at how many players have hammy injuries. Add to the mix that CJ held out and got an even later start with team activities and it is amazing that people are surprised that he is off to a slow start. I would have been surprised if he came out hot and tore it up right out of the gate.

Like or hate him, he's a superb athlete and an elite back. Once he gets back into football shape, he will be a stud rb. Especially if Britt can get healthy and the Titans get decent production out of Hasslebeck. That will force defenses to be honest.

 

[stbugs]

Back in 1997, I was fortunate enough to have gotten Barry Sanders in a trade from a disgruntled owner after he Barry started the season with games of 15 carries for 33 yards and 10 carries for 20 yards.Sanders went on to have 14 consecutive games of 100+ yards and ended up with over 2,000 rushing yards. It only cost me a flavor of the month WR and a no name TE that had started off hot.

Come on....Sanders was a 5-time All Pro who had put up consistent numbers for 8 straight seasons.Johnson has only been in the league 3 years and he's already shown major signs of decline from his peak 2 seasons ago.

So a 29 year old with nearly 2500 career carries (Sanders) should have been considered in his prime but a 26 year old with 925 carries (Johnson) should be considered washed up?

Excuse me, where did I say (or imply) "in his prime" or "washed up"?You're the one who compared Chris Johnson to Barry Sanders. I'm just saying that Chris Johnson is not Barry Sanders.

I think your phrase "major signs of decline" is the same as saying "past his prime" or "washed up". After all, players in their prime are not showing major signs of decline, right? So I think you're making a distinction without a real difference. You are right, of course, that Johnson is no Barry Sanders.

Don't even bother. Every time I see him post he is peeing in the shark pool. All I know is that he said in the AJ Green thread that Green wouldn't have a single game with 20 points all year after week 1 because he only had a TD in week 1 due to a defensive breakdown. So, based on that, I would say this is the week to trade for CJ.

 

[Shutout]

People need to remember, the lockout messed everything up this year. No ota's, no offseason team workouts etc. Look at how many players have hammy injuries. Add to the mix that CJ held out and got an even later start with team activities and it is amazing that people are surprised that he is off to a slow start. I would have been surprised if he came out hot and tore it up right out of the gate.Like or hate him, he's a superb athlete and an elite back. Once he gets back into football shape, he will be a stud rb. Especially if Britt can get healthy and the Titans get decent production out of Hasslebeck. That will force defenses to be honest.

But has there been any report at all that said he was out of shape? I'm not sure but I didn't think conditioning was an issue.

 

[rainram]

I took CJ #2 overall. Thus far I'm taking into consideration the following:

- The complete lack of off-season work, learning the system, etc., etc.

- Week 1 against JAX...I don't know about many here, but I pegged them for being a sub-par defense this year. Well, it ain't lookin like it...at least no against the run. They stifled CJ...ok. But then last week they shut down the Jets run game with their great OLine to the tune of 16 for 49 for Greene (that's 3.06 ypr) and Tomlinson had 6 carries for 8 yards. Now maybe the perrenially productive Jets rushing attack is fading. Or maybe, JAX's defense is more legit. We'll know for sure by their BYE week because they face some serious running teams through then. But I'll chalk week 1 up to JAX doing a good job.

- Week 2 against BAL...not surprise he didn't blow up Baltimore. Their front 7 is about as good as it gets.

We all know CJ is the type whose rushes look like this... 2, -3, 1, 2, 0, 70 w/ TD, 2, 0, 1...etc. Teams have been employing a method of seriously containing him at the line of scrimmage. It's only a matter of when, not if, he gets past that.

I'd be very surprised if he didn't get over 100 and a TD this week, but even if he doesn't I'm not going to panic. His schedule get much nicer after the BYE, IND twice (inculding once in the playoffs), TB, CAR, BUF.

He's stuck on my team for the year.

And if "when" is when your fantasy team is 25% played out, is it still worth it (that is the question of the thread)? Can he win you your league if he can't produce enough to get you to the playoffs?

A fine retort, sir. I guess I'm fortunate enough to be 2-0. My main league is also one in which 8 of the 12 teams make the playoffs, so all I have to do is beat one other person in my "division." I draft and play, with the assumption that I will at least make the playoffs.However, in another league where I have him, I am 0-2, and he has hurt me. And only 4 of the 12 teams make the playoffs in this league, so it ain't looking good already.

So I guess the semantics get involved. Each owners specific circumstances.

The next question, if you did consider trading him, would be what you could get for him. Since he was probably your #1 RB, you will probably at least need another RB in return. You'd probably have to work some kind of deal where you package CJ and another player for two others. Noone will give you, say, McCoy, Rice, McFadden, etc....so you'd probably be looking into the Turner, Mendenhall, Gore, Best group...for a straigh up trade. But even then, I think the Chris Johnson owner is losing out.

Maybe if you went a tier below, and aimed for two players...CJ for say, Bradshaw and Ingram...scary move...and I wouldn't touch it being a CJ owner.

Maybe if you aimed for a RB/WR combo...a la...CJ for Bradshaw and Maclin/AJ Green...etc.

It would really depend on the situation your team is in. If you're 0-2...how do you look going through the BYE weeks, your league settings, etc., etc.

Again...I have him in both and I'll ride him in both.

 

[The Doctor]

from what i heard he was in shape while doing his whole holdout nonsense

this guy doesnt seem too serious

hes another albert haynesworth and im glad i only wasted a 3rd round pick on this bum

 

[Banger]

Chris Johnson will expolde this week..... Paitence is a virtue...

And procrastination is a death knell in fantasy. Not saying which will happen, just continuing with the theme of the post in asking : can owners wait more than 25% of their season if this doesn't happen soon?

sure if they've drafted well. When I'm analyzing situations every week and looking at guys stats I always ask why...why did something happen...why did Decker get those targets/TDs will it continue? CJ owners (I am one) should be asking why he had two rough starts and is this a sign of things to come or is this a blip on the radar?

When I analyze this situation I see one the most talented RBs in the league, that is going to be one of a handful of workhorse backs in the league, he's healthy, he missed all of TC so timing with the line and game speed will be an issue and he's faced two tough run defenses.

Just last year he had stat lines of:

16-34

19-55

24-66

7-5

13-55

14-58

20-39

and at the end of the day he finished with 1600+ total yards and 12 tds on a train wreck of a team. He's the type of back where it'll be 3, 3, 3, 3, 59-TD. You are gonna get some stinkers but you'll get some game winning performances as well.

 

[PhantomJB]

However, in another league where I have him, I am 0-2, and he has hurt me.

As a non-CJ owner, this is why I'm hoping CJ has another semi-dud. Chances are people drafted him as the cornerstone of their team and without production in the first 2-3 weeks, they will be on the edge of desperation. With a relatively easy schedule coming up, and his history of slow starts, you would have great odds for more typical CJ production the rest of the year and could probably do a 2-for-1 RB swap for him pretty easily.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Back in 1997, I was fortunate enough to have gotten Barry Sanders in a trade from a disgruntled owner after he Barry started the season with games of 15 carries for 33 yards and 10 carries for 20 yards.

Sanders went on to have 14 consecutive games of 100+ yards and ended up with over 2,000 rushing yards. It only cost me a flavor of the month WR and a no name TE that had started off hot.

Come on....Sanders was a 5-time All Pro who had put up consistent numbers for 8 straight seasons.Johnson has only been in the league 3 years and he's already shown major signs of decline from his peak 2 seasons ago.

So a 29 year old with nearly 2500 career carries (Sanders) should have been considered in his prime but a 26 year old with 925 carries (Johnson) should be considered washed up?

Excuse me, where did I say (or imply) "in his prime" or "washed up"?You're the one who compared Chris Johnson to Barry Sanders. I'm just saying that Chris Johnson is not Barry Sanders.

I think your phrase "major signs of decline" is the same as saying "past his prime" or "washed up". After all, players in their prime are not showing major signs of decline, right? So I think you're making a distinction without a real difference. You are right, of course, that Johnson is no Barry Sanders.

Don't even bother. Every time I see him post he is peeing in the shark pool. All I know is that he said in the AJ Green thread that Green wouldn't have a single game with 20 points all year after week 1 because he only had a TD in week 1 due to a defensive breakdown. So, based on that, I would say this is the week to trade for CJ.

lol that is hilarious

 

[NoCheese]

from what i heard he was in shape while doing his whole holdout nonsense

this guy doesnt seem too serioushes another albert haynesworth and im glad i only wasted a 3rd round pick on this bum

Where are you getting this information from?

 

[Silver & Black]

People need to remember, the lockout messed everything up this year. No ota's, no offseason team workouts etc. Look at how many players have hammy injuries. Add to the mix that CJ held out and got an even later start with team activities and it is amazing that people are surprised that he is off to a slow start. I would have been surprised if he came out hot and tore it up right out of the gate.Like or hate him, he's a superb athlete and an elite back. Once he gets back into football shape, he will be a stud rb. Especially if Britt can get healthy and the Titans get decent production out of Hasslebeck. That will force defenses to be honest.

But has there been any report at all that said he was out of shape? I'm not sure but I didn't think conditioning was an issue.

I don't see it is a "conditioning" thing, its a "football shape" thing. Plus, its a whole new system and he has missed a huge chunk of the quickened learning curve while he was holding out. His talent hasn't changed since last year. I am optimistic that once he gets a grasp of the system, gets his football legs back, you will see the same CJ you are used to seeing.

 

[Shutout]

I took CJ #2 overall. Thus far I'm taking into consideration the following:

- The complete lack of off-season work, learning the system, etc., etc.

- Week 1 against JAX...I don't know about many here, but I pegged them for being a sub-par defense this year. Well, it ain't lookin like it...at least no against the run. They stifled CJ...ok. But then last week they shut down the Jets run game with their great OLine to the tune of 16 for 49 for Greene (that's 3.06 ypr) and Tomlinson had 6 carries for 8 yards. Now maybe the perrenially productive Jets rushing attack is fading. Or maybe, JAX's defense is more legit. We'll know for sure by their BYE week because they face some serious running teams through then. But I'll chalk week 1 up to JAX doing a good job.

- Week 2 against BAL...not surprise he didn't blow up Baltimore. Their front 7 is about as good as it gets.

We all know CJ is the type whose rushes look like this... 2, -3, 1, 2, 0, 70 w/ TD, 2, 0, 1...etc. Teams have been employing a method of seriously containing him at the line of scrimmage. It's only a matter of when, not if, he gets past that.

I'd be very surprised if he didn't get over 100 and a TD this week, but even if he doesn't I'm not going to panic. His schedule get much nicer after the BYE, IND twice (inculding once in the playoffs), TB, CAR, BUF.

He's stuck on my team for the year.

And if "when" is when your fantasy team is 25% played out, is it still worth it (that is the question of the thread)? Can he win you your league if he can't produce enough to get you to the playoffs?

A fine retort, sir. I guess I'm fortunate enough to be 2-0. My main league is also one in which 8 of the 12 teams make the playoffs, so all I have to do is beat one other person in my "division." I draft and play, with the assumption that I will at least make the playoffs.However, in another league where I have him, I am 0-2, and he has hurt me. And only 4 of the 12 teams make the playoffs in this league, so it ain't looking good already.

So I guess the semantics get involved. Each owners specific circumstances.

The next question, if you did consider trading him, would be what you could get for him. Since he was probably your #1 RB, you will probably at least need another RB in return. You'd probably have to work some kind of deal where you package CJ and another player for two others. Noone will give you, say, McCoy, Rice, McFadden, etc....so you'd probably be looking into the Turner, Mendenhall, Gore, Best group...for a straigh up trade. But even then, I think the Chris Johnson owner is losing out.

Maybe if you went a tier below, and aimed for two players...CJ for say, Bradshaw and Ingram...scary move...and I wouldn't touch it being a CJ owner.

Maybe if you aimed for a RB/WR combo...a la...CJ for Bradshaw and Maclin/AJ Green...etc.

It would really depend on the situation your team is in. If you're 0-2...how do you look going through the BYE weeks, your league settings, etc., etc.

Again...I have him in both and I'll ride him in both.

I think you are right on with the type of trading returns.

 

[SproutDaddy]

from what i heard he was in shape while doing his whole holdout nonsense

this guy doesnt seem too serioushes another albert haynesworth and im glad i only wasted a 3rd round pick on this bum

Where are you getting this information from?

Seriously. This forum seems to be polluted more and more each year with these types. I didnt know so many FBGs were at practice daily and on the sidelines each Sunday.

 

[The Doctor]

from what i heard he was in shape while doing his whole holdout nonsense

this guy doesnt seem too serioushes another albert haynesworth and im glad i only wasted a 3rd round pick on this bum

Where are you getting this information from?

Seriously. This forum seems to be polluted more and more each year with these types. I didnt know so many FBGs were at practice daily and on the sidelines each Sunday.

oh sorry,. i do something called readingyou should try

 

[SproutDaddy]

from what i heard he was in shape while doing his whole holdout nonsense

this guy doesnt seem too serioushes another albert haynesworth and im glad i only wasted a 3rd round pick on this bum

Where are you getting this information from?

Seriously. This forum seems to be polluted more and more each year with these types. I didnt know so many FBGs were at practice daily and on the sidelines each Sunday.

oh sorry,. i do something called readingyou should try

Link to the supposed "doesnt seem to serious"? My reading comprehension is fine. Your grammar and punctuation, on the other hand, is sub elementary.Edit to add: Reading other pissed off owner's opinions on this board doesn't qualify as sufficient evidence.

 

[Hoss Style]

I posted this in the other CJ thread. I'll copy and paste it since I hate typing:

"I own CJ (keeper league) and wouldn't entertain anything for him except another top RB. I'm not even worried about CJ (yet).

Imagine you are a RB and for the last couple years when you get handed the ball you look ahead at your linemen and you have a good idea on where they are going to block and which one of them will pick up that LB you see keying on you about 5 yards back. You're comfortable.

Now imagine you come in and you have no idea where your linemen are headed. Where you used to "zig" you realize you should have "zagged". What the hell is going on? The zone blocking scheme is what's going on. Every week you get a little more used to the spots you should hit and where you should go. But it takes time.

It's not just about the defenses CJ is facing. He'd be a bit confused as to where to go even if no one was on the field at all. That split second of indecision is the difference between him hitting the hole or making the corner and him not.

I played a little bit of LB back in the day and even on the defensive side of the ball if I didn't have a good idea where my DL in front of me was headed it would seriously put a dent in my reaction times. I'm sure there's some old RB's on this board who could explain the effects of being dropped into a situation as a ball carrier and not know which way the guy in front of you was going to block.

I'm fine with CJ. I'll worry if I don't see improvement by week 6. And I don't expect him to reach his full potential as a RB in this zone blocking scheme till next year. If that bothers you then I'd shop him. I'm in a keeper league and there's no way I'm parting with him this early.

In redraft I'd wait 'till week 4 at least before I'd seriously consider moving him. Dynasty/Keeper? Not at all this year."

All that being said - at the end I quipped I'd be worried after week 6 if he hasn't shown some real improvement. I'm crossing my fingers (and scouting the WW just in case...)

 

[habsfan]

I took CJ #2 overall. Thus far I'm taking into consideration the following:

- The complete lack of off-season work, learning the system, etc., etc.

- Week 1 against JAX...I don't know about many here, but I pegged them for being a sub-par defense this year. Well, it ain't lookin like it...at least no against the run. They stifled CJ...ok. But then last week they shut down the Jets run game with their great OLine to the tune of 16 for 49 for Greene (that's 3.06 ypr) and Tomlinson had 6 carries for 8 yards. Now maybe the perrenially productive Jets rushing attack is fading. Or maybe, JAX's defense is more legit. We'll know for sure by their BYE week because they face some serious running teams through then. But I'll chalk week 1 up to JAX doing a good job.

- Week 2 against BAL...not surprise he didn't blow up Baltimore. Their front 7 is about as good as it gets.

We all know CJ is the type whose rushes look like this... 2, -3, 1, 2, 0, 70 w/ TD, 2, 0, 1...etc. Teams have been employing a method of seriously containing him at the line of scrimmage. It's only a matter of when, not if, he gets past that.

I'd be very surprised if he didn't get over 100 and a TD this week, but even if he doesn't I'm not going to panic. His schedule get much nicer after the BYE, IND twice (inculding once in the playoffs), TB, CAR, BUF.

He's stuck on my team for the year.

And if "when" is when your fantasy team is 25% played out, is it still worth it (that is the question of the thread)? Can he win you your league if he can't produce enough to get you to the playoffs?

Noone will give you, say, McCoy, Rice, McFadden, etc....so you'd probably be looking into the Turner, Mendenhall, Gore, Best group...for a straigh up trade. But even then, I think the Chris Johnson owner is losing out.

Semantics perhaps but you're not really losing out so much as you're crystallizing your losses. The losses (and causes of them) are past tense not present tense. Realistically, this is the market (and I think you're bang on with it too). The funny part for me is people who are dragging out his "decline" and/or "feast or famine" weekly results as justification. We didn't know about that stuff prior to the draft?

 

[Shutout]

13 rushes for 21 yards

4 catches for 54 yards.

What say you now CJ owners?

 

[timschochet]

13 rushes for 21 yards4 catches for 54 yards.What say you now CJ owners?

I say he's going on my bench until further notice.

 

[MIMN]

13 rushes for 21 yards4 catches for 54 yards.What say you now CJ owners?

That sucked. What are you going to do, trade him for Lynch? What is the point? There is no way I would trade him right now. You aren't going to get the value you need to be successful anyway. Just pretend that you lost your first round to injury and you now have a backup that has a lot of promise.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

See my link

 

[scrumptrulescent]

13 rushes for 21 yards4 catches for 54 yards.What say you now CJ owners?

That sucked. What are you going to do, trade him for Lynch? What is the point? There is no way I would trade him right now. You aren't going to get the value you need to be successful anyway. Just pretend that you lost your first round to injury and you now have a backup that has a lot of promise.

I don't own him, and I won't bother his owner with a stupid lowball offer. My league has savvy owners, Johnson is an obvious hold right now.

 

[champ24]

The minute I bench him he'll blow up for 150/3 so I'm still gonna trot him out there in my start up to 3 RBs league.

Just considering him my RB3 instead of RB 1 for now.

 

[jantoniosus]

Just gunna treat him as my RB2 behind Rice. He still has high up side and TEN will a have to tone down the passing and start going with a little more run now that Britt is out.

 

[thatguy]

from what i heard he was in shape while doing his whole holdout nonsense

this guy doesnt seem too serioushes another albert haynesworth and im glad i only wasted a 3rd round pick on this bum

Where are you getting this information from?

Seriously. This forum seems to be polluted more and more each year with these types. I didnt know so many FBGs were at practice daily and on the sidelines each Sunday.

oh sorry,. i do something called readingyou should try

Link to the supposed "doesnt seem to serious"? My reading comprehension is fine. Your grammar and punctuation, on the other hand, is ARE sub elementary.Edit to add: Reading other pissed off owner's opinions on this board doesn't qualify as sufficient evidence.

I love irony.