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What if it were "Win for Luck" (1 Viewer)

toppshelff

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Hypothetical:

Kansas City and Denver are tied for last place going into the last game of the season. They are facing each other. Everyone knows that the loser gets Andrew Luck, and let's assume both teams want him.

Would teams ever trade each other's first round pick, so that the winner, not the loser, would get the first pick overall? Has this ever been done before? Wouldn't this restore some integrity to the league in this season of "suck for Luck"?

This doesn't even need to be the last game of the season, but it would make it most pure.

Other potential season-enders:

Colts and Jacksonville (if Gabbert isn't panning out)

Seahawks and Cardinals (if Kolb remains just good, not more)

I know that a lot of things would need to fall right...

 
The Rams just lost their only good CB Bradly to an ACL. They already lost their #1 CB Bartell and their #3 CB Murphy for the season too. Their D won't be stopping anybody and their o-line and WR's are terrible. Bradford has been getting pounded and their WR's lead the league in drops. 0-16 is a real possibility.

 
The Rams just lost their only good CB Bradly to an ACL. They already lost their #1 CB Bartell and their #3 CB Murphy for the season too. Their D won't be stopping anybody and their o-line and WR's are terrible. Bradford has been getting pounded and their WR's lead the league in drops. 0-16 is a real possibility.
Not impossible that the Rams/49ers game could be important. They've got Seattle and Cincinnati near the end of the season, as well. Any of those could be between cellar dwellars.
 
I like the idea. But if the KC and Denver situation did happen they would hold back since it's easier to lose a game on purpose than to win. Julius Thomas at QB anyone?

 
I like the idea. But if the KC and Denver situation did happen they would hold back since it's easier to lose a game on purpose than to win. Julius Thomas at QB anyone?
Have 2 teams facing each other ever tried to lose a game in history? I'm sure a couple teams have not tried their best, but I can't even fathom a situation like that. Would they really just throw every pass into the ground? I think given this years cicrumstances, that a game like that could be really really ugly!
 
Wouldn't this restore some integrity to the league in this season of "suck for Luck"?
This implies that there are teams out there right now throwing games so they can get Luck. Which is not happening. Everyone involved, on gameday, with winning and losing NFL games right now, isn't thinking about Andrew Luck. The coaches that are coaching now, they know if their team in a position to get Luck, they probably won't be around to enjoy the development of a rookie QB. The players know they can be gone on any season. There is no assistant coach out there that is going to do less, because he thinks it might give his team a shot at a player that assistant coach knows little about.
 
Can't happen, there's a trade deadline in the NFL.
Good point, but could be a "gentleman's agreement" to be enacted after season end.
Wouldn't this restore some integrity to the league in this season of "suck for Luck"?
This implies that there are teams out there right now throwing games so they can get Luck. Which is not happening. Everyone involved, on gameday, with winning and losing NFL games right now, isn't thinking about Andrew Luck. The coaches that are coaching now, they know if their team in a position to get Luck, they probably won't be around to enjoy the development of a rookie QB. The players know they can be gone on any season. There is no assistant coach out there that is going to do less, because he thinks it might give his team a shot at a player that assistant coach knows little about.
I completely agree that no teams are trying to lose right now. For all the reasons you mention. However, it is being talked about already. Fast forward 12 weeks, teams have tried hard all season, now their fans want them to lose, the team's future might be determined if they lose. I still think that they will do their best to win, I believe in the integrity of the coaches and players in the NFL.But wouldn't making this deal get rid of any possible perception of misconduct?
 
There is no chance of this happening this season, but it would actually be an interesting concept.

What if the bottom two teams in the NFL played a game on the weekend before the Super Bowl to determine who gets the #1 pick?

Could be fun for the fans. Not sure the players would be so thrilled though.

Not likely to happen either way, IMO.

 
as a qb of one of those teams, would you be able to play your best game knowing that you would loose your starting job with a win?

 
let's not forget the usually, having the first pick is a financial burden that most teams don't want.
Not any more. Salary cap.Whoever gets the #1 pick next year probably gets the best QB prospect in years, at a fraction of the cost of Cam, or Jamarcus.
actually cam was a bargain this year as well...look it up
That's right, the rolled it out this year, I forgot.Looks like he would have been a bargain at JaMarcus' salary. :mellow:
 
If I am a player in that position, I don't lay down for any situation because I could lose my job before the draft even takes place, same with the coaching staff.

If this were truly a problem in the NFL, they could institute a draft lottery like they have in the NHL and NBA.

 
let's not forget the usually, having the first pick is a financial burden that most teams don't want.
Not any more. Salary cap.Whoever gets the #1 pick next year probably gets the best QB prospect in years, at a fraction of the cost of Cam, or Jamarcus.
Wasn't Cam signed under the new CBA? I recall something like he got 22 mill guaranteed ( vs. 50 for Bradford ). But you're right on the rookie scale making the #1 pick much more attractive than it had been.
 
We do something like this in a 10 Team Keeper League I'm in. The top 4 teams make the playoffs. The next 4 make the consolation playoffs. The bottom two teams go head to head with their combined scores from weeks 15 and 16. Winner gets the #1 pick next year. Loser gets the #2 pick. Everyone else picks in reverse order of where they finish.

 
'Deamon said:
'eakfootball said:
I like the idea. But if the KC and Denver situation did happen they would hold back since it's easier to lose a game on purpose than to win. Julius Thomas at QB anyone?
Have 2 teams facing each other ever tried to lose a game in history? I'm sure a couple teams have not tried their best, but I can't even fathom a situation like that. Would they really just throw every pass into the ground? I think given this years cicrumstances, that a game like that could be really really ugly!
I believe that the Colts played the Pats in the last game of the season once, where loser would get the 1st pick. Long time ago... Was it when Elway was coming out?
 
'toppshelff said:
Hypothetical:

Kansas City and Denver are tied for last place going into the last game of the season. They are facing each other. Everyone knows that the loser gets Andrew Luck, and let's assume both teams want him.

Would teams ever trade each other's first round pick, so that the winner, not the loser, would get the first pick overall? Has this ever been done before? Wouldn't this restore some integrity to the league in this season of "suck for Luck"?

This doesn't even need to be the last game of the season, but it would make it most pure.

Other potential season-enders:

Colts and Jacksonville (if Gabbert isn't panning out)

Seahawks and Cardinals (if Kolb remains just good, not more)

I know that a lot of things would need to fall right...
Wait. Do we think the Cardinals are bad enough to compete for the bottom spot? They've lost three games by a total of eight points. They will be fine if they can figure out how to close out a game.
 
'Deamon said:
'eakfootball said:
I like the idea. But if the KC and Denver situation did happen they would hold back since it's easier to lose a game on purpose than to win. Julius Thomas at QB anyone?
Have 2 teams facing each other ever tried to lose a game in history? I'm sure a couple teams have not tried their best, but I can't even fathom a situation like that. Would they really just throw every pass into the ground? I think given this years cicrumstances, that a game like that could be really really ugly!
I vaguely recollect this game from the 2005 season pretty much falling into this category... Houston clinched the #1 overall pick by losing, with a 2-14 record. If they had won, there would have been a tie at 3-13 between New Orleans, San Francsisco and Houston. Not sure what the tiebreaker would have been.

If I recall correctly, the second half was a horribly played game in which neither team seemed interested in winning... I think the Texans even missed a FG... it went to overtime, where the 49ers kicked a field goal to win it.

 
Looked up more on the HOU-SF game... NO would have got the top pick had HOU won... so it didn't matter for SF, but HOU definitely had incentive to not win...

Niners FG after interception gives top pick to Texans

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- When Joe Nedney booted an overtime field goal through a drizzle as miserable as these teams' records, everybody won something in the San Francisco 49ers' season finale against the Houston Texans.

The 49ers salvaged some pride with consecutive victories -- and the Texans definitely won by losing soon-to-be-fired coach Dom Capers' final game, wrapping up the No. 1 draft pick and the chance to dream about Reggie Bush.

Mike Adams lateraled his second interception to Ben Emanuel for a 35-yard return in OT, and Nedney set off an unlikely celebration with a 33-yard field goal with 3:52 left to end the 49ers' 20-17 victory Sunday.

The kick also provoked a giant sigh of relief in Houston, as the Texans (2-14) narrowly avoided ruining the only solace left in their awful season. After the game, a person close to the organization told The Associated Press that Capers will be fired Monday to start an offseason of big changes -- probably peaking with a red-white-and-blue jersey for Bush.

If Houston had won, the New Orleans Saints would have received the top pick and first dibs on Bush, the Heisman Trophy-winning tailback from USC who's widely expected to enter the draft.

"You heard the talk all week: 'Play well, but don't win," said Texans quarterback David Carr, sidelined in the first half with a right elbow injury. "All that stuff was a little distracting at times. Maybe a lot of fans were glad I busted my elbow and Andre (Johnson) got hurt. There were some wild things about this football game.

"If we couldn't win them all, if we couldn't make the playoffs, I guess having the first pick, as bad as it is, might be good."

Both teams sometimes seemed determined to lose during a wacky afternoon that included a scoreless fourth quarter. Houston lost Carr (right elbow) and top receiver Johnson (left ankle) to injuries in the first half, then went scoreless for nearly 32 minutes to end the game.

Adams returned a third-quarter interception 40 yards for a tying touchdown for the 49ers (4-12), whose own No. 1 pick, Alex Smith, finally threw his first touchdown pass late in the first half.

"It is nice to win two weeks in a row," said Smith, who went 16-of-29 for 159 yards and hit Brandon Lloyd for a 14-yard score. "It shows a lot about this team, going down both weeks, and we came back. We came together at the end of this season and we gained momentum."

The Texans are in for big offseason changes, with Capers expected to be fired Monday after four seasons. Bush has been on fans' minds in Houston and San Francisco since November -- but the 49ers, Bush's favorite team growing up, dropped out of the top five in the draft by doubling their win total from last season.

"I hope this is the last time we have the No. 1 pick," said Texans owner Bob McNair, who said he would address the team's coaching situation Monday. "At the same time, it is of great value to us. ... We're going to have four picks in the first 70 players. That means we're going to get some good players."

"It's a little premature right now to say who we're taking," said general manager Charley Casserly, who's expected to keep his job. "But I think everybody knows we aren't taking Matt Leinart."

Bush, who watched from Los Angeles while preparing for Wednesday's Rose Bowl against Texas, claims he still doesn't know whether he'll enter the draft.

"Whatever happens in this game, it won't have any effect on me," Bush said. "Obviously it will just [affect] who gets the first pick in the NFL draft. ... Like I said from Day 1, I won't be worried about it until after the season."

Both teams had ample chances to finish their seasons with a win. Houston's Kris Brown missed a 31-yard field goal with 6:07 left in regulation, slicing it right in a stiff wind, and the Niners then drove to the Houston 35 -- where they decided to punt with 50 seconds left instead of trying a long field goal by the strong-legged Nedney.

"With the time on the clock and their timeouts, I thought that they had too much in their hands," 49ers coach Mike Nolan said.

After three overtime punts, backup Houston quarterback Tony Banks' long pass was intercepted near midfield by Adams, who lateraled to Emanuel for a rambling return. Two plays later, Nedney capped his stellar season with the winning kick.

"That's the pinnacle right there," Nedney said. "A walk-off home run right there. That's what you dream about. It seems like it has been a long time since we have had one of those."

The Niners -- an NFL-worst 2-14 in 2004 -- finished with a two-game improvement in Nolan's first season, though they also set a franchise record for the fewest offensive yards in a season.

After the Niners made consecutive 14-play drives resulting in 10 points, Banks hit Corey Bradford with a 25-yard touchdown pass to put Houston up 17-10 late in the third. Banks led another strong drive in the fourth, but Brown couldn't score from the exact distance of his missed field goal at the end of a 13-10 loss to Tennessee on Dec. 11.

Game notes

The Texans also played without injured RBs Domanick Davis and Jonathan Wells. Rookie Vernand Morency rushed for 83 yards and a TD. ... Carr, who's from Bakersfield, Calif., had more than 200 friends and family members in the stands. ... Frank Gore rushed for 108 yards to become the 49ers' first rookie rushing leader since 1990.
 
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Hopefully memories of the "Reggie Bush Sweepstakes" nonsense will settle everyone down a little bit about Luck. Nothing is guaranteed when a player transitions to the NFL.

 
'flc735 said:
as a qb of one of those teams, would you be able to play your best game knowing that you would loose your starting job with a win?
Haha thats a really good point. Imagine the whole team wanting to lose but the QB wanting to win so he keeps his starting job next year
 
'flc735 said:
as a qb of one of those teams, would you be able to play your best game knowing that you would loose your starting job with a win?
Freakin' beautiful rebuff of my proposal. Well played.
 
What if a team like the Rams finish with the 1st overall pick? It'd become a bidding war for their pick. I can't imagine them keeping that pick. Obviously Bradford is the franchise qb. And there is too much potential value out there, with a lot of different bidders, for them to hold the pick.

 
Hopefully memories of the "Reggie Bush Sweepstakes" nonsense will settle everyone down a little bit about Luck. Nothing is guaranteed when a player transitions to the NFL.
Bad comparison IMO. There were plenty of experts that thought Reggie Bush would be the next Eric Metcalf. There is not as many questioning Lucks ability to transition to the NFL.
 
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Hopefully memories of the "Reggie Bush Sweepstakes" nonsense will settle everyone down a little bit about Luck. Nothing is guaranteed when a player transitions to the NFL.
Bad comparison IMO. There were plenty of experts that thought Reggie Bush would be the next Eric Metcalf. There is not as many questioning Lucks ability to transition to the NFL.
A ton of people were down on Bush. :excited: Is anyone out there actually anti-Luck? It seems like whenever he's even mentioned in front office circles peoples pants get tight.
 
Hopefully memories of the "Reggie Bush Sweepstakes" nonsense will settle everyone down a little bit about Luck. Nothing is guaranteed when a player transitions to the NFL.
Bad comparison IMO. There were plenty of experts that thought Reggie Bush would be the next Eric Metcalf. There is not as many questioning Lucks ability to transition to the NFL.
A ton of people were down on Bush. :excited: Is anyone out there actually anti-Luck? It seems like whenever he's even mentioned in front office circles peoples pants get tight.
CalBear :unsure:
 
1. Luck could get injured this season

2. Ryan Leaf syndrome could happen to anyone. The "experts" are wrong about prospects every year.

3. He is going to go to a team that most likely wont have a supporting cast. Hard to develop as a QB laying on your back or running for your life.

Odds are there will be at least one qb taken after Luck that has a better NFL career, so there's no need to suck for Luck.

 

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