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What is a deep IDP league (1 Viewer)
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Jene Bramel
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I'm sure shallow and deep mean different things to different people, but very generally I'll write shallow when talking about leagues that start just one player per DL/LB/DB position (shallow lineup) or have just one depth slot (shallow roster) in any setup. I'll use deep in 12-16 team leagues that roster four or more DL, six or more LB or four or more DB -- where the rosters are deep but the waiver wire is not.
The positional designations for me are based on the tier breaks I have in my head. Those are loosely based on 12 team leagues, since that's what I mostly played in 10 years ago when I got serious about tiers.
It's loose, though, so a LB2 might mean anything from the LB10 through the LB28 and a DL4 could mean an upside young prospect or a veteran bye week play depending on context.
I'd say six IDP starters, two per DL/LB/DB, in a 14 team league is neither shallow nor deep. There should be plenty on the waiver wire in any given week, but enough depth in your lineup to generate some separation between the best starting DL and the worst). It's a little closer to the shallow than deep end of the spectrum, though.
The positional designations for me are based on the tier breaks I have in my head. Those are loosely based on 12 team leagues, since that's what I mostly played in 10 years ago when I got serious about tiers.
It's loose, though, so a LB2 might mean anything from the LB10 through the LB28 and a DL4 could mean an upside young prospect or a veteran bye week play depending on context.
I'd say six IDP starters, two per DL/LB/DB, in a 14 team league is neither shallow nor deep. There should be plenty on the waiver wire in any given week, but enough depth in your lineup to generate some separation between the best starting DL and the worst). It's a little closer to the shallow than deep end of the spectrum, though.
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lyon812
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I play in a variety of IDP setups: 12-team/6 IDP, 12-team/8 IDP, 16-team/11 IDP. I’ve noticed a much more severe difference between the 6 and 8 than the 8 and 11. Therefore, I tend to consider 8 IDP being the starting point for “deep IDP leagues”, and anything less to be “shallow”. As you add more teams, of course this changes. The difference to me is mainly on the waiver wire. While it may be reflection of the people I play against, the waiver wires in the 6-starter leagues are always stocked with talent and production, even late into the season. By comparison, the other leagues require a lot more effort to maintain a dominant IDP roster.Compounding this, however, is individual positional starters. Even if your league starts a lot of IDP, lumping DT/DE and CB/S together makes life a lot easier. If you’re struggling with certain positions, I’d say figure out why. This could be any number of reasons:-Are you drafting players that never pan out? Maybe you’re picking up big names that have little production, or you’re chasing last year’s point values and need to familiarize yourself with schemes/defenses to target. -Are other people beating you to sleepers that you’ve identified? Then you may have a very smart set of owners and just need to refine your timing. Each league has its own identity. Maybe you’re in a league that hoards DL like no tomorrow, just in case one pans out. That needs to be taken into consideration. -Are you unsure if players are one-week wonders or the next big thing? Hit the IDP forum and Jene’s articles. Etc, etc. Figure out what your problem actually is--“trouble” is too vague--and then take steps to remedy it.'Thomsen said:
Thx guys, but to clarify (I'm Danish sorry) I don't mean I struggle identifying good playerss, I struggle with the concept of DB2, LB1 and so forth. Listening/reading Jene and John the last 2 years, I'm probably the strongest IDP owner in my league, never picking IDP players until the last rounds in the draft and playing the waiver wire all year.
I appreciate the input.
I appreciate the input.
The lingo can be a pain sometimes I listen to everyone's info and make a list of top lb1,dl1,db1 those are usually the top 15 on each position. Lb2,dl2,db2 are 16 through 30. And lb3,dl3,db3 are usually 31-50 that's how I rank them anything out of the top 50 I concider a sleeper pick up if they fall into a starting position later in the year. The other thing in my league (12 teams 4lbs,3dl,2safetys,2cbs) is we separate tge DBS and limit roster spots ( only 6lbs,4dl,4safetys,4corners) so we are very deep on corners safety's and lineman but not to many lbs left. The main thing to remember is that everyone's league is different but most leagues top 20 depends on scoring (tackles and sacks) because clay Matthews in a high scoring sack league is a lb1 or 2 in a high tackle league low sack he is a lb3 or 4 so check scoring and read up to come up with something that fits your league.
kellumsboys
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I play in 2 dynasty leagues where we start 11 IDPs.
either using a 4-3, 3-4 or nickel D.
one is a 14 team league.
in this case to me a DB1 would be in the top 14 and a DB2 would be ranked in the 15-28 range
either using a 4-3, 3-4 or nickel D.
one is a 14 team league.
in this case to me a DB1 would be in the top 14 and a DB2 would be ranked in the 15-28 range
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I guess I struggle a little with designations of 1s 2s and whatnots a little too. To me it is as much about tiers as the # of teams in a league. If in a 12 teamer the top 6 LBs are obvious but 7-20 are really tight, that first tier is, imo, the LB1s and that second tier are my LB2s. To try to make it orderly in groups of 12 makes little sense to me statistically. So, I never use the designations and stick with tier thinking instead.
Iow, just drawing a random line at 12 or 15 as a cutoff for 1s and 2s is lazy and oversimplified.
Iow, just drawing a random line at 12 or 15 as a cutoff for 1s and 2s is lazy and oversimplified.
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ThePittbully
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Deepest I play in is 16 teams 2-3DL, 3-4 LB, 3-4 DB but we also have 42 roster spots so FA pickings are pretty slim
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