What is NFL rule on kicking the extra point after gametime expired? (1 Viewer)

[Captain Spaulding]

Vince Young to Britt...TD with game clock at 0:00. Tennessee wins. But wait! Bironas then goes out and kicks extra point and the entire betting line just changed. My fantasy opponent (who has Bironas) also just got 1 more point.

This was a non-conference game so the points don't matter for playoff tiebreakers or anything. Is this in the NFL rules or something (to allow extra point kick after game expiration)? Seems strange to me, but I can understand if its due to tiebreakers for playoff determinations.

 

[renesauz]

Vince Young to Britt...TD with game clock at 0:00. Tennessee wins. But wait! Bironas then goes out and kicks extra point and the entire betting line just changed. My fantasy opponent (who has Bironas) also just got 1 more point.This was a non-conference game so the points don't matter for playoff tiebreakers or anything. Is this in the NFL rules or something (to allow extra point kick after game expiration)? Seems strange to me, but I can understand if its due to tiebreakers for playoff determinations.

Nothing to see here...been in the rules forever....The extra point MUST be attempted in regulation. (And yes...it probably has a lot to do with tiebreakers)FWIW...Extra point attempts have never been timed downs.

 

[TommyGilmore]

This was a non-conference game so the points don't matter for playoff tiebreakers or anything.

One of the tiebreakers is "Best Net Points In Common Games", so if Tennessee ends up tied with Jacksonville or Houston, it's possible that the 1 point makes a difference.But in reality, this rule was created for gamblers.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Vince Young to Britt...TD with game clock at 0:00. Tennessee wins. But wait! Bironas then goes out and kicks extra point and the entire betting line just changed. My fantasy opponent (who has Bironas) also just got 1 more point.This was a non-conference game so the points don't matter for playoff tiebreakers or anything. Is this in the NFL rules or something (to allow extra point kick after game expiration)? Seems strange to me, but I can understand if its due to tiebreakers for playoff determinations.

Nothing to see here...been in the rules forever....The extra point MUST be attempted in regulation. (And yes...it probably has a lot to do with tiebreakers)FWIW...Extra point attempts have never been timed downs.

BUT in Madden 2010 on the iPhone, there's no extra point after a touchdown at 0:00.

 

[dgreen]

It is a stupid rule. Imagine if baseball made teams play out the bottom of the 9th after the home team has already scored enough runs to win the game.

Yeah, same thing. One takes about 30 extra seconds, the other could take like 20 minutes.

 

[dgreen]

Do I remember a team several years ago going for 2 because the opposing team went to the locker room and didn't lineup to stop the conversion? Or did I just make that up?

 

[treat88]

It is a stupid rule. Imagine if baseball made teams play out the bottom of the 9th after the home team has already scored enough runs to win the game.

Yeah, same thing. One takes about 30 extra seconds, the other could take like 20 minutes.

Get a player injured on a meaningless extra point and it doesn't matter if it takes 2 seconds or 2 hours.It is ridiculous to force the kick.

 

[Utter Chaos]

It has been in the rules forever but I'm not sure why. If it's to help determine tie-breakers than they should be kicking extra points in overtime as well.

Why the inconsistency?

And you really can't compare the extra point at 0:00 to the home team batting in the 9th inning in baseball. One sport is played against a clock and the other is not.

 

[dgreen]

It is a stupid rule. Imagine if baseball made teams play out the bottom of the 9th after the home team has already scored enough runs to win the game.

Yeah, same thing. One takes about 30 extra seconds, the other could take like 20 minutes.

Get a player injured on a meaningless extra point and it doesn't matter if it takes 2 seconds or 2 hours.It is ridiculous to force the kick.

Happens all the time.And, the kick isn't forced. If the kicking team is so worried about an injury, they could do nothing and the game would be over. Or, just snap it to a play who just throws the ball out of bounds or something.

 

[GoL]

There was a game recently (in college maybe) where the team took a knee on the untimed extra point.

While it seems unnecessary, I have no problem kicking the extra point after time expires.

 

[dgreen]

OT is sudden death, so there is no XPA. The game ends with the first points scored. In regulation, the game ends when all plays (timed and un-timed) have ended. And XPA is an un-timed play that fits in regulation despite there not being any time remaining.

I'm not saying this is a good rule or a bad rule. I just don't think it's a big deal.

 

[treat88]

It is a stupid rule. Imagine if baseball made teams play out the bottom of the 9th after the home team has already scored enough runs to win the game.

Yeah, same thing. One takes about 30 extra seconds, the other could take like 20 minutes.

Get a player injured on a meaningless extra point and it doesn't matter if it takes 2 seconds or 2 hours.It is ridiculous to force the kick.

Happens all the time.And, the kick isn't forced. If the kicking team is so worried about an injury, they could do nothing and the game would be over. Or, just snap it to a play who just throws the ball out of bounds or something.

True enough.Guess I just don't see the point.

 

[elmanx]

Do I remember a team several years ago going for 2 because the opposing team went to the locker room and didn't lineup to stop the conversion? Or did I just make that up?

I think JAX did this vs PIT. Around 10 yrs ago I think.

 

[3nOut]

It is a stupid rule. Imagine if baseball made teams play out the bottom of the 9th after the home team has already scored enough runs to win the game.

Yeah, same thing. One takes about 30 extra seconds, the other could take like 20 minutes.

It is the same thing. One team has won and one team has lost. NOTHING can change the outcome. Game's over.

Not necessairly true. What if the D blocks the kick or there is a bad snap and the D recovers and takes it all the way for a game-winning TD. Is there a rule where you cannot advance a blocked PAT? Unless you can't as a D, I would WANT them to try a kick in this sitauation. Anything can happen.

 

[Sleeping King]

Do I remember a team several years ago going for 2 because the opposing team went to the locker room and didn't lineup to stop the conversion? Or did I just make that up?

1998. Drew Bledsoe threw a TD to Ben Coates with no time left to beat Buffalo. Both teams left the field. The refs then called them back. The Pats lined up in a FG formation without the Bills on the field. Snapped it to Vinatieri who ran it in for a 2 points. Probably the finest moment in Pete Carrol's Patriot career.

 

[dgreen]

It is a stupid rule. Imagine if baseball made teams play out the bottom of the 9th after the home team has already scored enough runs to win the game.

Yeah, same thing. One takes about 30 extra seconds, the other could take like 20 minutes.

It is the same thing. One team has won and one team has lost. NOTHING can change the outcome. Game's over.

Not necessairly true. What if the D blocks the kick or there is a bad snap and the D recovers and takes it all the way for a game-winning TD. Is there a rule where you cannot advance a blocked PAT? Unless you can't as a D, I would WANT them to try a kick in this sitauation. Anything can happen.

In the NFL, that can't happen. Play is dead.

 

[FUBAR]

It is a stupid rule. Imagine if baseball made teams play out the bottom of the 9th after the home team has already scored enough runs to win the game.

Yeah, same thing. One takes about 30 extra seconds, the other could take like 20 minutes.

It is the same thing. One team has won and one team has lost. NOTHING can change the outcome. Game's over.

XP is basically part of the TD play. Only reason they don't do it in OT is it's sudden death, first team to put a point on the scoreboard wins.

 

[Billy Bats]

OT is sudden death, so there is no XPA. The game ends with the first points scored. In regulation, the game ends when all plays (timed and un-timed) have ended. And XPA is an un-timed play that fits in regulation despite there not being any time remaining.I'm not saying this is a good rule or a bad rule. I just don't think it's a big deal.

Oh it's a big deal alright. Imagine having Arizona +2! All those people think it's a really big deal. After the 4 o'clock lines had changed because of Warner's injury, a buddy bet Arizona at +3.5, after betting Tenn at -2 earlier in the day. A backdoor middle, I've now seen everything in NFL gambling.

 

[Longhorn daddy]

Okay,

Fumbled snap, picked up by Arizona and run all the way back for the tie? that's possible isn't it? Maybe something not in rules about that, if that could happen, no way i kick the PAT.

 

[dgreen]

OT is sudden death, so there is no XPA. The game ends with the first points scored. In regulation, the game ends when all plays (timed and un-timed) have ended. And XPA is an un-timed play that fits in regulation despite there not being any time remaining.I'm not saying this is a good rule or a bad rule. I just don't think it's a big deal.

Oh it's a big deal alright. Imagine having Arizona +2! All those people think it's a really big deal. After the 4 o'clock lines had changed because of Warner's injury, a buddy bet Arizona at +3.5, after betting Tenn at -2 earlier in the day. A backdoor middle, I've now seen everything in NFL gambling.

It's part of the rules. It's within the play of the game. It's been that way for a long, long time. Tons of things happen during the course of a game that affect the final point spread. This really is no different.

 

[dgreen]

Okay,Fumbled snap, picked up by Arizona and run all the way back for the tie? that's possible isn't it? Maybe something not in rules about that, if that could happen, no way i kick the PAT.

Not possible.

 

[JaxBill]

Okay,Fumbled snap, picked up by Arizona and run all the way back for the tie? that's possible isn't it? Maybe something not in rules about that, if that could happen, no way i kick the PAT. :(

IN college, it would be worth 2 points to the defense.In the NFL, it just means the extra poin try is no good.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Okay,

Fumbled snap, picked up by Arizona and run all the way back for the tie? that's possible isn't it? Maybe something not in rules about that, if that could happen, no way i kick the PAT.

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[massraider]

Okay,Fumbled snap, picked up by Arizona and run all the way back for the tie? that's possible isn't it? Maybe something not in rules about that, if that could happen, no way i kick the PAT. :(

IN college, it would be worth 2 points to the defense.In the NFL, it just means the extra poin try is no good.

This reply, and the fact that total points DO matter in tiebreakers, is the answer.

 

[TWP]

The reason for the rule was stated already: regulation ends when time has expired and all plays are completed. Including un-timed last plays like PATs. It's just the definition of 'regulation'. Just like the definition of 'overtime' entails that you do NOT kick the PAT.

 

[dgreen]

Okay,Fumbled snap, picked up by Arizona and run all the way back for the tie? that's possible isn't it? Maybe something not in rules about that, if that could happen, no way i kick the PAT.

IN college, it would be worth 2 points to the defense.In the NFL, it just means the extra poin try is no good.

This reply, and the fact that total points DO matter in tiebreakers, is the answer.

If that were the case, then the rule would be different for playoffs and superbowl. I don't believe it is different.Clearly, the rule is in place for the benefit of the gamblers.

It's as much a benefit to gamblers as it is a cost to them. There are people on both sides of every bet. For every dollar that is gained by the made PAT, there is probably a dollar lost.

 

[dgreen]

In the rulebook, there's a whole section on the Extension of a Period or a Half (Rule 4, Section 8). Here's an interesting rule that I've never seen happen:

If a safety results from a foul during the last play of a half, the score counts. A safety kick is made if requested by the receivers.

 

[Twilight]

It is a stupid rule. Imagine if baseball made teams play out the bottom of the 9th after the home team has already scored enough runs to win the game.

Um, they do in a way. Home team is down 1 and hits a grand slam. They still count the rest of the unnecessary runs. Same concept with XPs

 

[FreeBaGeL]

OT is sudden death, so there is no XPA. The game ends with the first points scored. In regulation, the game ends when all plays (timed and un-timed) have ended. And XPA is an un-timed play that fits in regulation despite there not being any time remaining.I'm not saying this is a good rule or a bad rule. I just don't think it's a big deal.

Best explanation right here.

 

[Velcro]

I buy that the PAT is an untimed part of the TD, and therefore must be played even if no time is left on the clock.

But why wouldn't a team just take a knee? Why not line up in the victory formation?

 

[dgreen]

I buy that the PAT is an untimed part of the TD, and therefore must be played even if no time is left on the clock. But why wouldn't a team just take a knee? Why not line up in the victory formation?

Why would they do that?

 

[TWP]

I buy that the PAT is an untimed part of the TD, and therefore must be played even if no time is left on the clock. But why wouldn't a team just take a knee? Why not line up in the victory formation?

When was the last time someone got hurt on an uncontested PAT?

 

[LittlePhatty]

Clearly, the rule is in place for the benefit of the gamblers.

I think it is hilarious anytime someone implies something like this.As if all gamblers take the same side in a bet.One extra point can make a bet go either way. You could win because of it too, just like you could lose.

 

[massraider]

Clearly, the rule is in place for the benefit of the gamblers.

I think it is hilarious anytime someone implies something like this.As if all gamblers take the same side in a bet.One extra point can make a bet go either way. You could win because of it too, just like you could lose.

Exactly. See: Viking game yesterday.

 

[Newman]

Does college football even have this rule? I don't think they do.

When Colorado beat Michigan many years ago on a hail mary (the Miracle at Michigan) there was no PAT. There was only Colorado players storming the field in celebration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracle_at_Michigan

No. This past Friday Colorado hit a back door hail mary against Nebraska but didn't kick the XP.

 

[Sarnoff]

Think about it for a second, say a team is down 7 and they score a TD with all zeroes on the clock... do they run out of time before kicking the XP and lose the game? Of course not. They get one untimed play to try for 1 or 2 to tie or win. Consistency says the same rule should apply whether it's a potential tying-XP or an over-the-top for the win XP, that is, in regulation all XPs are untimed and that a game continues past 0:00 to accomodate it.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Think about it for a second, say a team is down 7 and they score a TD with all zeroes on the clock... do they run out of time before kicking the XP and lose the game? Of course not. They get one untimed play to try for 1 or 2 to tie or win.

Of course. That is if the extra point actually matters.The people here are only talking about the cases when it doesn't matter - when scoring 6 already puts the team ahead. Then it is useless in that particular game, but could potentially be a tie breaker on season totals.

 

[Eminence]

It's this way because sometimes that extra point can make or a break the game. The NFL is all about consistency. Whether or not the game is on the line is irrelevant.

 

[Sarnoff]

Think about it for a second, say a team is down 7 and they score a TD with all zeroes on the clock... do they run out of time before kicking the XP and lose the game? Of course not. They get one untimed play to try for 1 or 2 to tie or win.

Of course. That is if the extra point actually matters.The people here are only talking about the cases when it doesn't matter - when scoring 6 already puts the team ahead. Then it is useless in that particular game, but could potentially be a tie breaker on season totals.

I know what people here are talking about, that's why the rest of my post, which you cut out, reads that the rule, like any rule in the NFL, has to be applied consistently.