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What is the deal between Pitta and Ed Dickson ? (1 Viewer)

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Was very surprised to see Pitta was targeted more than Dickson yesterday. I know they both had injuries going into the game....but Dickson seemed to be the consensus #1. At the end of last season, Pitta did emerge due to injuries but I thought it was a forgone conclusion that Dickson would emerge the starter the following season.



Is there an emerging trend here?

 
I think it will be frustrating to owners of either this season as they'll more or less switch off. Pitta looked really good yesterday though.

 
I actually thought this was going to happen last season. Pitta appears to be the better receiver (in general, not just yesterday). But like most people will tell you, neither is going to stand out enough to warrant the vast majority of TE targets. Unless one gets hurt, we're looking at bye week filler material.

 
I actually thought this was going to happen last season. Pitta appears to be the better receiver (in general, not just yesterday). But like most people will tell you, neither is going to stand out enough to warrant the vast majority of TE targets. Unless one gets hurt, we're looking at bye week filler material.
It sure looked like Pitta stood out yesterday. Sure, Dickson will outproduce for at least a few games, but I wouldnt be surprised if it is no more than that.
 
The problem is Harbaugh wanted Gronkowski and Hernandez in the 2010 draft and Belichick vultured both right before his picks. So he settled on Ed Dickson and Pitta at later picks. They're both a little above average talents and neither will ever have huge quantifiable impacts.

 
They both seemed to be on the field at the same time, so it will be up to Flacco to see who he targets. We may need a few more games to see what's really going on but Pitta wins game 1. Stay tuned for game 2.

 
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Pitta looking pretty damn good in a PPR league so far, but i will wait one more week and see how he does one more time to make my move on him.

 
The problem is Harbaugh wanted Gronkowski and Hernandez in the 2010 draft and Belichick vultured both right before his picks. So he settled on Ed Dickson and Pitta at later picks. They're both a little above average talents and neither will ever have huge quantifiable impacts.
Amazing to think that the Ravens could have had Graham and Hernandez quite easily.
 
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The problem is Harbaugh wanted Gronkowski and Hernandez in the 2010 draft and Belichick vultured both right before his picks. So he settled on Ed Dickson and Pitta at later picks. They're both a little above average talents and neither will ever have huge quantifiable impacts.
Amazing to think that the Ravens could have had Graham and Hernandez quite easily.
Yeah, I would use "rattled" versus "sniped"...either way, he did OK...just happened to misfire slightly in what will likely go down as the "Class of '83 of TEs".
 
Idk seems taking a flyer on Pitta could pay off. Dude looked really good. Athletic, solid hands, and most importantly he's getting targeted often in a passing offense.

 
I'm not sure what the snap count will say but it appeared Pitta was on the field a lot more on designed pass plays. Dickson was typically the TE I saw on the field for designed runs. I also think what we're seeing with Pitta is a trend. Dickson will probably have his moments (he had a potential TD swatted away at the goal line last night) but Flacco seems to have a better feel for Pitta. Of the two, he's the one I'd rather have.

 
I'm not sure what the snap count will say but it appeared Pitta was on the field a lot more on designed pass plays. Dickson was typically the TE I saw on the field for designed runs. I also think what we're seeing with Pitta is a trend. Dickson will probably have his moments (he had a potential TD swatted away at the goal line last night) but Flacco seems to have a better feel for Pitta. Of the two, he's the one I'd rather have.
Dickson was the guy who people thought was the slightly better athlete and being a couple years younger seemed to have more upside. I'm doubting that assessment now and finally coming to the conclusion that Pitta is the better player. Other than Dickson's 10/72/2 game last year he has looked rather ordinary.
 
I think Pitta has another solid outing against the Eagles.

Nnamdi and DRC will be a handful for Smith and Boldin, so Pitta should see a lot of targets in the middle of the field.

 
It seems to me that the difference makers at TE exhibit great hands which encourages targets and thus production for them and their teams. The athletic TE with suspect hands is fantasy football fools gold. see JerMichael Finley

 
As a few have mentioned, Dickson is the more athletic of the two...faster, smoother route runner, gets open. Dickson however displays alligator arms and brick-like hands at times. Pitta, on the other hand, has shown time and time again to have very good hands. Think of Dickson as the deep-threat TE and Pitta as the guy who finds the hole in the zone. As a Bmore homer, I can tell you that Flacco and Pitta are very close. They always come out on the field together, work with each other during warm ups. The rest of the receivers (including Dickson) come out a little later, usually with Tyrod Taylor, then start working with Joe Flacco. There is definitely more chemistry with Pitta than Dickson.

Dickson also got popped, helmet to helmet, fairly early on in the game with Cincy. From memory, it seemed most of Pitta's targets came after that, not sure if Dickson was woozy or a little gun shy after being popped. i haven't checked total snaps for both TEs in the game, but it seems like since both have arrived Pitta gets more targets later in the game. Dickson is usually the early in the game field stretcher.

 
I like Pitta over Dickson fantasy-wise, but only as a TE8-16 range prospect. Too many mouths to feed on the team, including RRice running and RRice receiving.

 
I like Pitta over Dickson fantasy-wise, but only as a TE8-16 range prospect. Too many mouths to feed on the team, including RRice running and RRice receiving.
Agreed. It's not like I'm sitting a Top-5 TE for him though. I'm giving him the nod over Olsen, which is still kinda risky since every site I look at ranks Olsen higher. I just like what I saw last week from Pitta and I don't see how Flacco can overlook him now.
 
As a few have mentioned, Dickson is the more athletic of the two...faster, smoother route runner, gets open. Dickson however displays alligator arms and brick-like hands at times. Pitta, on the other hand, has shown time and time again to have very good hands. Think of Dickson as the deep-threat TE and Pitta as the guy who finds the hole in the zone.
Have not heard that about the route running. In fact, IIRC, I heard the opposite. According to the combine Dickson is just barely faster (4.67 vs. 4.72). Not sure that is enough of a difference to make one of them a deep threat and one guy a zone dump off.
 
FWIW, Pitta was used heavily at the end of 2011 too. I think it's a trend.
:goodposting: He's scored in three of his last four games played and Baltimore's WR's are overrated across the board. Pitta is emerging as a low-end TE1. He'll have a quiet week against the Eagles who are always a nightmare for TE's, but after week 3 you won't find him on any waivers.
 
Per Rotoworld

Dennis Pitta recorded a career-high 73 yards and a score on five Week 1 receptions and looks to be a big part of Baltimore's new offensive design. Pitta started over Ed Dickson and played more snaps, lining up primarily as a slot tight end and running down the seam. I wouldn't trust Pitta as a fantasy starter yet, but he can get there if this usage holds up. Including January's two playoff contests, Pitta has at least 40 yards and a touchdown in three of his past four games.
Noteworthy article
 
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As a few have mentioned, Dickson is the more athletic of the two...faster, smoother route runner, gets open. Dickson however displays alligator arms and brick-like hands at times. Pitta, on the other hand, has shown time and time again to have very good hands. Think of Dickson as the deep-threat TE and Pitta as the guy who finds the hole in the zone.
Have not heard that about the route running. In fact, IIRC, I heard the opposite. According to the combine Dickson is just barely faster (4.67 vs. 4.72). Not sure that is enough of a difference to make one of them a deep threat and one guy a zone dump off.
The combine was 4 years ago? I've seen these guys numerous times at training camp before they shut out the public, I've seen them play in person in 5 or so preseason games, I've seen Flacco and the TEs play in person 15-20 times in regular season games. The rest of the games I've watched on the ole TV. I was attempting to provide a distinction between the two: Dickson looks like a WR on the field, Pitta looks like an H-back/TE. I haven't timed em in the forty to see who's faster, just eyeball test based on their play against defenders. Dickson has been laid out a lot by defenders running post and deep crossing routes recently. I'm starting to wonder if he's hearing footsteps as the ball is being delivered. Pitta, on the other hand, catches just about everything thrown his way. I wasn't saying that Dickson was only a deep threat guy and that Pitta never ran anything deeper than 5 yd routes, just if you're comparing the two; it may help distinguish them. I can say with a %100 percent degree of certainty that Flacco trusts Pitta more than any other rec on the team.
 
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As a few have mentioned, Dickson is the more athletic of the two...faster, smoother route runner, gets open. Dickson however displays alligator arms and brick-like hands at times. Pitta, on the other hand, has shown time and time again to have very good hands. Think of Dickson as the deep-threat TE and Pitta as the guy who finds the hole in the zone.
Have not heard that about the route running. In fact, IIRC, I heard the opposite. According to the combine Dickson is just barely faster (4.67 vs. 4.72). Not sure that is enough of a difference to make one of them a deep threat and one guy a zone dump off.
The combine was 4 years ago? I've seen these guys numerous times at training camp before they shut out the public, I've seen them play in person in 5 or so preseason games, I've seen Flacco and the TEs play in person 15-20 times in regular season games. The rest of the games I've watched on the ole TV. I was attempting to provide a distinction between the two: Dickson looks like a WR on the field, Pitta looks like an H-back/TE. I haven't timed em in the forty to see who's faster, just eyeball test based on their play against defenders. Dickson has been laid out a lot by defenders running post and deep crossing routes recently. I'm starting to wonder if he's hearing footsteps as the ball is being delivered. Pitta, on the other hand, catches just about everything thrown his way. I wasn't saying that Dickson was only a deep threat guy and that Pitta never ran anything deeper than 5 yd routes, just if you're comparing the two; it may help distinguish the two.
:thumbup: Good stuff...it should also be noted that citing 40 times is not always a good indicator of whether a player is a good deep threat. There are plenty of fast players who don't have the skills to be a consistent deep threat.
 
Last night Chris Mortenson talked about what good friends Flacco and Pitta have become, which doesn't hurt. More significant, he said the Ravens think Pitta can catch 70 balls this season.

 
As a few have mentioned, Dickson is the more athletic of the two...faster, smoother route runner, gets open. Dickson however displays alligator arms and brick-like hands at times. Pitta, on the other hand, has shown time and time again to have very good hands. Think of Dickson as the deep-threat TE and Pitta as the guy who finds the hole in the zone.
Have not heard that about the route running. In fact, IIRC, I heard the opposite. According to the combine Dickson is just barely faster (4.67 vs. 4.72). Not sure that is enough of a difference to make one of them a deep threat and one guy a zone dump off.
The combine was 4 years ago? I've seen these guys numerous times at training camp before they shut out the public, I've seen them play in person in 5 or so preseason games, I've seen Flacco and the TEs play in person 15-20 times in regular season games. The rest of the games I've watched on the ole TV. I was attempting to provide a distinction between the two: Dickson looks like a WR on the field, Pitta looks like an H-back/TE. I haven't timed em in the forty to see who's faster, just eyeball test based on their play against defenders. Dickson has been laid out a lot by defenders running post and deep crossing routes recently. I'm starting to wonder if he's hearing footsteps as the ball is being delivered. Pitta, on the other hand, catches just about everything thrown his way. I wasn't saying that Dickson was only a deep threat guy and that Pitta never ran anything deeper than 5 yd routes, just if you're comparing the two; it may help distinguish them. I can say with a %100 percent degree of certainty that Flacco trusts Pitta more than any other rec on the team.
I suspect your eyeball test would've been the same 4 years ago. I seriously doubt Dickson is much faster than Pitta now, just as he wasn't much faster than Pitta 4 years ago. Basically, I'm just saying that your eyeball test has no worth. But don't take offense. 99% of eyeball tests have no worth.
 
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Last night Chris Mortenson talked about what good friends Flacco and Pitta have become, which doesn't hurt. More significant, he said the Ravens think Pitta can catch 70 balls this season.
They certainly put him in a position to do that in Week 1. If that's going to be their approach and not just a game-specific plan for the Bengals Pitta could definitely reach that number. He was clearly the preferred TE in the passing game ahead of Dickson against Cincinnati.
 
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Last night Chris Mortenson talked about what good friends Flacco and Pitta have become, which doesn't hurt. More significant, he said the Ravens think Pitta can catch 70 balls this season.
They certainly put him in a position to do that in Week 1. If that's going to be their approach and not just a game-specific plan for the Bengals Pitta could definitely reach that number. He was clearly the preferred TE in the passing game ahead of Dickson against Cincinnati.
I seriously doubt that was just the game plan for the Bengals... this is supposed to be a new pass happy Raven's offense where Flacco runs the offense the way he wants too.... and he looked very comfortable out there doing it, and one of his comfort zones is getting the ball to his good friend, and the guy he warms up with before every game... not to mention like all the damn jerk off NFL analysts say.. this is a "copy cat" league.. and the Ravens look like they play on taking advantage of their TE's a lot more this season
 
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Wow Flacco looks for Pitta a LOT. He's got 6 catches already and about twice as many targets. Flacco just threw to him 3 consecutive plays. If you have a need at TE this guy is definitely worth a look.

 
24 targets for Pitta in the first 2 games! :shock:

He's still unowned in my main 12 team league and will undoubtedly require a waiver claim now.

Is this for real or just an early mirage?

 
I like Pitta over Dickson fantasy-wise, but only as a TE8-16 range prospect. Too many mouths to feed on the team, including RRice running and RRice receiving.
Agreed. It's not like I'm sitting a Top-5 TE for him though. I'm giving him the nod over Olsen, which is still kinda risky since every site I look at ranks Olsen higher. I just like what I saw last week from Pitta and I don't see how Flacco can overlook him now.
Well, starting Pitta over Olsen turned out to be the right call. But I also have Bennett, and he outscored Pitta.Gonna be fun picking the wrong guy every week. :lol: Guess that's what happens when you miss out on Graham/Gronk.
 
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51:40 snap edge for Dennis Pitta over Ed Dickson. Pitta ran 38 routes to Dickson's 19. #Ravens #TE1

The most unexciting waiver claim that could pay dividends ever! :popcorn:

 

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